@detoxx

[sydbarrett25]

tuck in

[Hrothgar]

Joining the UN discord is like putting on that VHS tape entitled “WWF Raw” that your dad keeps hidden in the sock drawer, only to find it’s a home movie of him and your mom from off the top turnbuckle.

[Croco]

https://i.imgur.com/w22ghJA.jpg

[k9quaint]

That is some next level non-tuckage.

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/w22ghJA.jpg

lol

[Strifer]

Joining the UN discord is like putting on that VHS tape entitled “WWF Raw” that your dad keeps hidden in the sock drawer, only to find it’s a home movie of him and your mom from off the top turnbuckle.

https://i.imgur.com/OK7sJHg.gif

[Naonak]

Classic blame swapping

[SantagarBrax]

10/10

[LazyHydras]

so, back when I was like 7 years old I used to tuck my shirt into my underwear, then my own mom made fun of me and called me "tucker." I stopped tucking ever after.

[Hotel]

this just in

op is retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yis7hshaSA&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=stephenc44

[xdrcfrx]

lol those mobs were already moving before the monk ran around the corner.

womp womp.

[Croco]

this just in

op is retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yis7hshaSA&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=stephenc44

I guess the red line was too hard for you. This just in Hotel is color blind.

[Hotel]

if you guys dont see in that fraps how berkley got los of 4way and brought the train on top of your raid

why your members are leaving your guild in droves or quitting makes a lot of sense

[k9quaint]

Freedom pulls 3 drakes with part time robe model. New meta!

Also, I love the voice over added. Who is the voice actor?

[Croco]

if you guys dont see in that fraps how berkley got los of 4way and brought the train on top of your raid

why your members are leaving your guild in droves or quitting makes a lot of sense

I think you need some more reading comprehension. It's crystal clear Benjaman isn't tucked and that's why those drakes agro'd. But you're saying OP is retarded. Are you retarded? Must be coincidence the post in the UN complaining of a train magically got deleted after this thread was posted?

[Ripqozko]

Imagine fighting about drake los 5 years into velious.

[Hotel]

if you watch my fraps benjamin didnt move the entire vod

so how exactly was he los or how exactly did the drakes go from being unaggro to aggro?

and when you watch the fraps again, watch Berkley

like how is this even debatable lmao, the koolaid is working overtime

[Hotel]

and the post in the un was deleted because Runyan argued w/ Detoxx that he didn't want to ask for anything from that train because we're trying to be less petty

and now this is where we are

you guys are literally the worst

[Skarne]

Outsider looking in- y’all definitely trained yourselves.

[xdrcfrx]

the mobs start moving before berkley rounds the corner. that's what brings the black drake into aggro range / line of sight with benjamin, who was not tucked in enough.

[Hotel]

lol this was a good troll, i took the bait

[ErlickBachman]

lol those mobs were already moving before the monk ran around the corner.

womp womp.


Mobs were definitely moving before Berkeley turned that corner and flopped. Benjaman picked up aggro for not being nut-to-butt on that corner and got dunked on as a result. Therefore, AG/F trained AG/F. With that being said, it's time to find out today's lesson. And to find out what it is, we turn to: The Wheel of Morality.

13612

Don't stand on the tracks when the train is coming through.

[fuckshit22]

the mobs start moving before berkley rounds the corner. that's what brings the black drake into aggro range / line of sight with benjamin, who was not tucked in enough.

[sydbarrett25]

this just in

op is retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yis7hshaSA&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=stephenc44

Lets not even start on the chat/tells in that video.... yikes

[conoutoftrol]

and the post in the un was deleted because Runyan argued w/ Detoxx that he didn't want to ask for anything from that train because we're trying to be less petty

and now this is where we are

you guys are literally the worst

You guys got exactly what you wanted already. Riot took your complaints on good faith and picked up + killed all the mobs. You guys plowed ahead and got two engages on Vulak. Bummer you guys failed on both your engages. Better luck next time.

[Wed Nov 18 21:08:57 2020] Furoar shouts, 'not good'
[Wed Nov 18 21:08:59 2020] Elament says out of character, 'riot officer pst'
[Wed Nov 18 21:09:11 2020] Detoxx says out of character, 'get ur mobs riot please'
[Wed Nov 18 21:09:14 2020] Detoxx says out of character, 'get ur mobs riot please'
[Wed Nov 18 21:09:26 2020] Furoar shouts, 'Riot officer PST'
[Wed Nov 18 21:10:33 2020] Furoar shouts, 'Riot please send tell'
[Wed Nov 18 21:13:52 2020] Vulak`Aerr engages Duckey!
[Wed Nov 18 21:18:59 2020] Vulak`Aerr engages Huflungdat!

[Akg49]

if you guys dont see in that fraps how berkley got los of 4way and brought the train on top of your raid

why your members are leaving your guild in droves or quitting makes a lot of sense

Tofat watch your salt level bro, your high blood pressure is going too high.

:D

[Sancta]

If Benjamin aggro'd those mobs the mobs would be attacking Benjamin first, not Berkley. In the video, Benhjamin was standing still the whole time un-aggroed. The mobs only started to move when Berkley did as well since he got too close to the corner.

[Smackahoe]

you can clearly tell that the mobs are not aggro on Benj, he was standing there the whole time with no aggro, they only aggroed when you see Berk move to the corner, get some vision care if you cant clearly see that

[Croco]

you can clearly tell that the mobs are not aggro on Benj, he was standing there the whole time with no aggro, they only aggroed when you see Berk move to the corner, get some vision care if you cant clearly see that

If Benj is tucked those mobs never agro on the ag/f group. Case closed. Move to resolved.

[sydbarrett25]

If benji was tucked they would have aggrod on the 10 others not tucked, looked poor form. Was bound to happen, should have just had afk tags up

[LazyHydras]

If Benj is tucked those mobs never agro on the ag/f group. Case closed. Move to resolved.

That's getting pretty close to a "she was asking for it, look at what she was wearing" kind of argument. Who brought those mobs up to the spot? I don't think it was Ben. But, hey, idc, we flubbed that Vulak fight fair and square and lost with or without Riot's train.

That being said, the train did interrupt our rhythm in the same way that rhythm is interrupted when a batter calls time as the pitcher sets, or when a coach calls a timeout just before the kicker goes for a field goal.

[kaizersoze]

That's getting pretty close to a "she was asking for it, look at what she was wearing" kind of argument. Who brought those mobs up to the spot? I don't think it was Ben. But, hey, idc, we flubbed that Vulak fight fair and square and lost with or without Riot's train.

That being said, the train did interrupt our rhythm in the same way that rhythm is interrupted when a batter calls time as the pitcher sets, or when a coach calls a timeout just before the kicker goes for a field goal.

If the raid had been shrunk, they could have all fit behind the corner instead of standing exposed on the tracks. This is the problem with the zerg ag / f. That black drake would have agro'd Ben regardless because of where he was standing, but Riot did take control of the mobs and took the time to review while you engaged, throwing out another memblur on vulak (how have we not talked about this? We all saw the new FTE message during engage with people on him) and eventually wipe.

[charmcitysking]

That being said, the train did interrupt our rhythm in the same way that rhythm is interrupted when a batter calls time as the pitcher sets, or when a coach calls a timeout just before the kicker goes for a field goal.

rule 76

[condap99]

lol those mobs were already moving before the monk ran around the corner.

womp womp.

I'd stop arguing this if I were you.

If the mobs were aggro on Benji rather than Berkeley, then the mobs wouldn't have stopped at Berkeley's feet when he FD'd. They'd have ran right past Berkeley to Benji because initial aggro was on Benji.

But that's not what happened.

They stopped right at Berkeley's feet, THEN started running for Benji.

And you might think - but wait Conda. Benji had initial aggro because someone drew a red line, so certainly he had initial aggro, and Berkeley ran around the corner, got fresh first aggro on a new mob, and that is why they stopped at his feet. But this would also be false because instead of merged train aggro transfer, again, the mobs STOPPED and then moved to Benji.

There is no argument. Berkeley caused this train.

[Sancta]

If the raid had been shrunk, they could have all fit behind the corner instead of standing exposed on the tracks. This is the problem with the zerg ag / f. That black drake would have agro'd Ben regardless because of where he was standing, but Riot did take control of the mobs and took the time to review while you engaged, throwing out another memblur on vulak (how have we not talked about this? We all saw the new FTE message during engage with people on him) and eventually wipe.

Benjamin 100% should have been more tucked and would have avoided the drakes that were aggro'd by Berkley. Unsure if the drakes would have aggro'd anyone else after Berkley did.

A red and black drake were picked up and killed by AG/F as well after that train.

[Hotel]

I'd stop arguing this if I were you.

If the mobs were aggro on Benji rather than Berkeley, then the mobs wouldn't have stopped at Berkeley's feet when he FD'd. They'd have ran right past Berkeley to Benji because initial aggro was on Benji.

But that's not what happened.

They stopped right at Berkeley's feet, THEN started running for Benji.

And you might think - but wait Conda. Benji had initial aggro because someone drew a red line, so certainly he had initial aggro, and Berkeley ran around the corner, got fresh first aggro on a new mob, and that is why they stopped at his feet. But this would also be false because instead of merged train aggro transfer, again, the mobs STOPPED and then moved to Benji.

There is no argument. Berkeley caused this train.

Benjamin 100% should have been more tucked and would have avoided the drakes that were aggro'd by Berkley. Unsure if the drakes would have aggro'd anyone else after Berkley did.

A red and black drake were picked up and killed by AG/F as well after that train.

/thread

[Gorster]

Can't we just go back to the raid suspension? That was better.

[k9quaint]

Freedom caster pulls 3 drakes, Freedom raid cannot handle pull.
Freedom gaslights, gets free attempt at Vulak but no drops.
Case closed. Moved to resolved.

[Sancta]

Freedom caster pulls 3 drakes


Let me see how it looks when I FD mobs in front of you and then say you pulled them all on your own accord lmao

Imagine not being able to count past 3

[Croco]

Let me see how it looks when I FD mobs in front of you and then say you pulled them all on your own accord lmao

Imagine not being able to count past 3

Was I standing out in the open in a zone where that is a death sentence and people are expected to stay tucked in (somewhat) safe areas? Yes? Ok my fault.

Badsadmad. /resolved

[Ripqozko]

Imagine focusing on drake los instead of laughing at them failing Vulak. Hope that helps.

[Nexii]

Can't we just go back to the raid suspension? That was better.

[Gorster]

Imagine focusing on drake los instead of laughing at them failing Vulak. Hope that helps.

[LazyHydras]

Can I just say that Nexii is a wonderful human being? No sarcasm involved, here, really just a non-controversial player. :)

[Sancta]

Was I standing out in the open in a zone where that is a death sentence and people are expected to stay tucked in (somewhat) safe areas? Yes? Ok my fault.

Badsadmad. /resolved

Wait so you're saying the train was intentional? Since the AG/F caster was (somewhat) safe and the Riot monk brought them to the (somewhat) safe area.

[Nexii]

Imagine focusing on drake los instead of laughing at them failing Vulak. Hope that helps.

Crying wolf about drake LoS, using the 'let's talk it out' as an opportunity to engage Vulak first, blurring Vulak during their engage against the rules, then failing anyways

[xdrcfrx]

times will be not 100% specific since I don't have the means or desire to time stamp this that closely.

At the 6 second mark the drakes start moving, as someone is telling Ducke to stand up on the signal, then berkley runs around the corner and flops. be interesting to see around that corner and know who actually aggro'd the drakes initially - it sure wasn't berkley, though. berkley rounds the corner at the 7 second mark after the drakes are moving.

mobs were gonna aggro on benjiman regardless of the riot monk, because he was not tucked in and out of los.

aren't you all the folks that argue that no where is safe in ToV, and everywhere is on the tracks? Can't have it both ways.

[Croco]

Wait so you're saying the train was intentional? Since the AG/F caster was (somewhat) safe and the Riot monk brought them to the (somewhat) safe area.

What train? AG/F caster wasn't within a galaxies distance of being in a safe area while multiple guilds were competing and pulling in a zone with a history of "bad pulls happen". If you're so dumb you stand in that area as a class that can't FD then your guild tries desperately to gaslight people into believing it wasn't your fault you got agro and died then transferred that agro to the rest of your group I don't know what to tell you.

[sydbarrett25]

I'd stop arguing this if I were you.

If the mobs were aggro on Benji rather than Berkeley, then the mobs wouldn't have stopped at Berkeley's feet when he FD'd. They'd have ran right past Berkeley to Benji because initial aggro was on Benji.

But that's not what happened.

They stopped right at Berkeley's feet, THEN started running for Benji.

And you might think - but wait Conda. Benji had initial aggro because someone drew a red line, so certainly he had initial aggro, and Berkeley ran around the corner, got fresh first aggro on a new mob, and that is why they stopped at his feet. But this would also be false because instead of merged train aggro transfer, again, the mobs STOPPED and then moved to Benji.

There is no argument. Berkeley caused this train.

The point of the line was how it was poor raid form. Tuck in if you dont want to tank a mob. Wiz may be okay at it fwiw

[LazyHydras]

times will be not 100% specific since I don't have the means or desire to time stamp this that closely.

At the 6 second mark the drakes start moving, as someone is telling Ducke to stand up on the signal, then berkley runs around the corner and flops. be interesting to see around that corner and know who actually aggro'd the drakes initially - it sure wasn't berkley, though. berkley rounds the corner at the 7 second mark after the drakes are moving.

mobs were gonna aggro on benjiman regardless of the riot monk, because he was not tucked in and out of los.

aren't you all the folks that argue that no where is safe in ToV, and everywhere is on the tracks? Can't have it both ways.

I see what you mean. The mobs definitely were moving before Berkley moved, yet the mobs stop moving when Berkley flopped. It would be nice to have a PoV around that corner to see if anyone else was up there and had caused the initial aggro. Was Berkley running fraps? Would be nice to see an angle from his perspective.

[Sancta]

times will be not 100% specific since I don't have the means or desire to time stamp this that closely.

At the 6 second mark the drakes start moving, as someone is telling Ducke to stand up on the signal, then berkley runs around the corner and flops. be interesting to see around that corner and know who actually aggro'd the drakes initially - it sure wasn't berkley, though. berkley rounds the corner at the 7 second mark after the drakes are moving.

mobs were gonna aggro on benjiman regardless of the riot monk, because he was not tucked in and out of los.

aren't you all the folks that argue that no where is safe in ToV, and everywhere is on the tracks? Can't have it both ways.

If Duckey stood then the drakes would be on Duckey, they were on Berkley. If Duckey stood then FD'd the drakes would have ran to him then stopped for a second then de-aggro'd or aggro'd the next person. Here in the video it shows a good clean run to Berkley with an FD after which they stop and aggro the next person who was badly tucked in. Also pretty sure Duckey was far in near Vulak.

[conoutoftrol]

https://i.imgur.com/Y7A4aNr.jpg

[sydbarrett25]

Let me see how it looks when I FD mobs in front of you and then say you pulled them all on your own accord lmao

Imagine not being able to count past 3

This is where there is a problem. It was bad raid form. Are you claiming that whole hall? How can another guild compete with no one tucked in. Its same as in any dungeon, you need to be aware of the mobs around you unless you want to get some damage on you.

[xdrcfrx]

https://i.imgur.com/Y7A4aNr.jpg

[LazyHydras]

Also pretty sure Duckey was far in near Vulak.

Correct. Duckey was waiting up by Vulak to kick off the encounter.

The YouTube video linked on the first page shows the mobs running forward despite Berkley appearing to not be in line of sight. The question is, why does Berkley run out from around the corner anyway? If you are out of LoS and certain you don't have aggro, why would you run out into LoS and flop? Even if you thought that you may have had aggro, why would you run out to flop instead of flopping on the spot? So many questions.

[Sancta]

What train? AG/F caster wasn't within a galaxies distance of being in a safe area while multiple guilds were competing and pulling in a zone with a history of "bad pulls happen". If you're so dumb you stand in that area as a class that can't FD then your guild tries desperately to gaslight people into believing it wasn't your fault you got agro and died then transferred that agro to the rest of your group I don't know what to tell you.

Not a single person is arguing that Benjamin wasn't standing in a shitty spot, if he was in more, they might not have aggro'd him (and prolly aggro'd someone else because they were brought right up to the corner). But bringing mobs to an area where a person is standing not aggroing anything is training. Doesn't matter if it's a safe spot or not, FDing mobs on someone is straight up training I don't know what to tell you.

[sydbarrett25]

Hey sancta ^

[Sancta]

Correct. Duckey was waiting up by Vulak to kick off the encounter.

The YouTube video linked on the first page shows the mobs running forward despite Berkley appearing to not be in line of sight. The question is, why does Berkley run out from around the corner anyway? If you are out of LoS and certain you don't have aggro, why would you run out into LoS and flop? Even if you thought that you may have had aggro, why would you run out to flop instead of flopping on the spot? So many questions.

He's the only one that moved closer to the corner in the video, soon as he did that's when the drakes aggro'd, feel he knew he had them on him and that's when he ran out. Also everquest does a real bad job at showing other players' positions every milisecond, he probably was out of the corner (for a milisecond) more than what the client is showing us because it updates other players' positions so poorly. Bad decision on his part, should have just FD'd right away and Benjamin should have been in more.

[LazyHydras]

I think the gist of the argument is that the mobs wouldn't have aggroed Benjaman if they weren't brought up to that spot. Notice that the mobs are unaggroed as soon as Berkley runs out and flops. If Benjaman trained his own raid, then the mobs would have continued moving for him uninterrupted whether Berkley flopped or not. So, what happened?

[LazyHydras]

Also everquest does a real bad job at showing other players' positions every milisecond, he probably was out of the corner (for a milisecond) more than what the client is showing us because it updates other players' positions so poorly

That would explain it. The mobs stop moving once Berkley flops and only move again when they re-aggroed on Benjaman after being brought far enough back to be able to see him.

[sydbarrett25]

I think the gist of the argument is that the mobs wouldn't have aggroed Benjaman if they weren't brought up to that spot. Notice that the mobs are unaggroed as soon as Berkley runs out and flops. If Benjaman trained his own raid, then the mobs would have continued moving for him uninterrupted whether Berkley flopped or not. So, what happened?

Its not training, if riot were to split those out, freedom would have been in the way, once again I repeat.
This is where there is a problem. It was bad raid form. Are you claiming that whole hall? How can another guild compete with no one tucked in. Its same as in any dungeon, you need to be aware of the mobs around you unless you want to get some damage on you.

[LazyHydras]

Its not training, if riot were to split those out, freedom would have been in the way, once again I repeat.
This is where there is a problem. It was bad raid form. Are you claiming that whole hall? How can another guild compete with no one tucked in. Its same as in any dungeon, you need to be aware of the mobs around you unless you want to get some damage on you.

So now the contention is that Berkley aggroed those on purpose for Riot to split them out? Hmm. Oookay, then.

[sydbarrett25]

So now the contention is that Berkley aggroed those on purpose for Riot to split them out? Hmm. Oookay, then.

I dont care what Riot’s intention was, but maybe there would be less petitions filed if you all had better raid form?

[Croco]

Not a single person is arguing that Benjamin wasn't standing in a shitty spot, if he was in more, they might not have aggro'd him (and prolly aggro'd someone else because they were brought right up to the corner). But bringing mobs to an area where a person is standing not aggroing anything is training. Doesn't matter if it's a safe spot or not, FDing mobs on someone is straight up training I don't know what to tell you.

Standing in a spot where you are potentially going to get agro because live pulls are going on, then you get agro and die thus training those mobs on your raid, isn't getting trained by another guild. Benj was bad, ag/f got real sad, now y'all are real mad. /resolved

[Sancta]

Its not training, if riot were to split those out, freedom would have been in the way, once again I repeat.
This is where there is a problem. It was bad raid form. Are you claiming that whole hall? How can another guild compete with no one tucked in. Its same as in any dungeon, you need to be aware of the mobs around you unless you want to get some damage on you.

Benjamin should have been tucked in more sure. But if knowing that he isn't tucked in and then still pulling the mobs for splitting only to train Benjamin? That would be considered an intentional train then. How can you split with someone standing there you ask? You can't - why not just ask him to tuck in so you can split/compete?

In my opinion it wasn't intentional but your argument here is convincing me otherwise.

[Sancta]

Standing in a spot where you are potentially going to get agro because live pulls are going on, then you get agro and die thus training those mobs on your raid, isn't getting trained by another guild. Benj was bad, ag/f got real sad, now y'all are real mad. /resolved

NP, next time we'll FD mobs right near you and say you trained yourselves then?

[ErlickBachman]

NP, next time we'll FD mobs right near you and say you trained yourselves then?

Or you can develop a plan to kill our raid's p...nevermind, your leadership was already devising that strategy already.

[sydbarrett25]

Benjamin should have been tucked in more sure. But if knowing that he isn't tucked in and then still pulling the mobs for splitting only to train Benjamin? That would be considered an intentional train then. How can you split with someone standing there you ask? You can't - why not just ask him to tuck in so you can split/compete?

In my opinion it wasn't intentional but your argument here is convincing me otherwise.

You claiming that whole hall? First to that spot got vulak?

[Ripqozko]

You claiming that whole hall? First to that spot got vulak?

You end up joining riot?

[sydbarrett25]

You end up joining riot?

😅 Nope, just trying to prevent another banwave

[Ripqozko]

😅 Nope, just trying to prevent another banwave

Why? Let it happen.

[Skarne]

This is a dumb thread you’re gonna get everyone banned again. The video speaks for itself and the fact anyone is arguing about the obvious is sad.

[Croco]

https://i.imgur.com/Y7A4aNr.jpg

[Gorster]

Why? Let it happen.

[LazyHydras]

In short: I am not suggesting that Berkley intentionally trained us. In fact, if, indeed, the aggro was on him, it looks like he went out into the trash in order to at least attempt to avoid training us.

However, he shouldn't have peeked in the first place if, in fact, he peeked. It's like people craning their neck to look down the subway tunnel to see if the train is coming. It's never necessary and usually a bad idea.

[Ripqozko]

In short: I am not suggesting that Berkley intentionally trained us. In fact, if, indeed, the aggro was on him, it looks like he went out into the trash in order to at least attempt to avoid training us.

However, he shouldn't have peeked in the first place if, in fact, he peeked. It's like people craning their neck to look down the subway tunnel to see if the train is coming. It's never necessary and usually a bad idea.

Who cares, consider not wiping to Vulak.

[xdrcfrx]

NP, next time we'll FD mobs right near you and say you trained yourselves then?

why even bother to FD? Can just run half the zone straight over a raid sitting at west exit.

[Sacer]

That prove once again Freedom is not evil, they're just dumb, they can't understand that if they were properly tucked in they wouldn't had aggro.

[k9quaint]

https://i.imgur.com/Y7A4aNr.jpg

This is the pick and roll move AG drafted Freedom for.

[Sancta]

You claiming that whole hall? First to that spot got vulak?

Nah, claiming ToV, all other guilds stay out, thanks!

[Croco]

In short: I am not suggesting that Berkley intentionally trained us. In fact, if, indeed, the aggro was on him, it looks like he went out into the trash in order to at least attempt to avoid training us.

However, he shouldn't have peeked in the first place if, in fact, he peeked. It's like people craning their neck to look down the subway tunnel to see if the train is coming. It's never necessary and usually a bad idea.

If the ag/f raid is tucked correctly the drakes never agro. Control what you can control. If Benj isn't standing out in the open he never gets agro, he never dies, those mobs never agro the rest of the ag/f raid.

[fuzzy871]

Bad pulls happen. probably rogue player should eat individual ban. I think there is actually a recent precedent.

[Detoxx]

the mobs start moving before berkley rounds the corner. that's what brings the black drake into aggro range / line of sight with benjamin, who was not tucked in enough.

If that was the case why did they stop moving as soon as Berkley flopped. They were aggro on him, pretty evident.

[Sancta]

why even bother to FD? Can just run half the zone straight over a raid sitting at west exit.

Why only half the zone? Get the whole thing, pump those numbers up

[xdrcfrx]

If that was the case why did they stop moving as soon as Berkley flopped. They were aggro on him, pretty evident.

beats me, but your fraps don't show why they started moving in the first place either. not on us to disprove your accusations. burden of proof is on the accuser.

[xdrcfrx]

Why only half the zone? Get the whole thing, pump those numbers up

alright alright alright

[Sancta]

beats me, but your fraps don't show why they started moving in the first place either. not on us to disprove your accusations. burden of proof is on the accuser.

So you know how when a mob aggro's on someone it goes straight to that person unless they FD or die? Barring someone sitting, that's how aggro works

[Detoxx]

beats me, but your fraps don't show why they started moving in the first place either. not on us to disprove your accusations. burden of proof is on the accuser.

That prove once again Riot is not evil, they're just dumb, they can't understand that if someone flops and mobs stop moving, they were the only ones with aggro.

[Confit]

Who cares, consider not wiping to Vulak.

Consider not saying consider for a full week.

[Ripqozko]

Consider not saying consider for a full week.

Sorry you wiped, hope that helps.

[Confit]

Sorry you wiped, hope that helps.

/yawn

Sorry you quit and haven't moved on from the forums. Hope you find what you're looking for in life.

[k9quaint]

Sorry you wiped, hope that helps.

Freedom should be focused on not wiping on Vulak.
RNF should be focused on Freedom caster training their own alliance.
Tofat should be focused on BBQ.

[Ripqozko]

/yawn

Sorry you quit and haven't moved on from the forums. Hope you find what you're looking for in life.

I still play once a week , sorry my quota of gameplay effects you. Hope that helps.

[xdrcfrx]

bake 'em away, toys.

[sydbarrett25]

Freedom should be focused on not wiping on Vulak.
RNF should be focused on Freedom caster training their own alliance.
Tofat should be focused on BBQ.

[Sancta]

I guess we're all in agreement that FDing mobs in front of people is not considered training, bombs away folks

[xdrcfrx]

grats AG on another successful ring war! which AG member got the ring 10?

[LazyHydras]

I feel the love, guys.

♥

[condap99]

Why is anyone arguing about where the guilds choose to set up shop?

How is it not obvious that this is the meta because of the poorly thought out failed dragon experiment?

[sydbarrett25]

Why is anyone arguing about where the guilds choose to set up shop?

How is it not obvious that this is the meta because of the poorly thought out failed dragon experiment?

Its not that hard, just tuck in

[Senix]

I guess we're all in agreement that FDing mobs in front of people is not considered training, bombs away folks

It's been argued and 'agreed upon" un safe spots labeled "the tracks" Benji was on the tracks he shoulda been off it against the wall. The way you say it is as if berkley was on the same side of the wall and then fd'd which he was not.... So if you think intentional training you are recommending is now legal then you are just an idiot.

[Sancta]

Its not that hard, just tuck in

It's not that hard just don't FD mobs on others

[Sancta]

It's been argued and 'agreed upon" un safe spots labeled "the tracks" Benji was on the tracks he shoulda been off it against the wall. The way you say it is as if berkley was on the same side of the wall and then fd'd which he was not.... So if you think intentional training you are recommending is now legal then you are just an idiot.

Never said it was intentional, bombs away folks, FD mobs on to others

[sydbarrett25]

It's not that hard just don't FD mobs on others

I mean, I dont. I wasnt even involved

[sydbarrett25]

Never said it was intentional, bombs away folks, FD mobs on to others

This seemed to be the only intentional thing. Still wonder how this would have played out.

[kjs86z]

blob:https://imgur.com/f1e27d05-86e9-4b6f-90c7-308cf104eb6a

[kjs86z]

godamn rnf no edits

https://i.imgur.com/FWcyCwm.jpg

[Senix]

Oooooof Detoxx telling Furors about intentional training our pullers pets.....

[Hotel]

I mean, I dont. I wasnt even involved

yet as a kittens member who has never competed for a vulak compelled to shit post on rnf :o

can't wait for the joint kttens and riot raids

[k9quaint]

Freedom caster executes bad pull. Riot saves AG/F. So many questions!

Does that Freedom caster have warder loot?
Will Tofat put mayonnaise in his BBQ sauce?
Would a snuggie ban work where the blanket ban did not?

[Sancta]

I mean, I dont. I wasnt even involved

And never will be

[SantagarBrax]

This seemed to be the only intentional thing. Still wonder how this would have played out.

Well, objectively looking at this picture, one can come to the conclusion that Detoxx is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcgRaf38uCQ

Couldn't resist :)

[xdrcfrx]

yet as a kittens member who has never competed for a vulak compelled to shit post on rnf :o

can't wait for the joint kttens and riot raids

this would be substantially different than the joint AG / Freedom raids because...reasons?

[Sancta]

Freedom caster executes bad pull. Riot saves AG/F. So many questions!

Does that Freedom caster have warder loot?
Will Tofat put mayonnaise in his BBQ sauce?
Would a snuggie ban work where the blanket ban did not?

Freedom caster with the bad tag off Riot pull - off the ropes!

[Ripqozko]

Freedom caster executes bad pull. Riot saves AG/F. So many questions!

Does that Freedom caster have warder loot?
Will Tofat put mayonnaise in his BBQ sauce?
Would a snuggie ban work where the blanket ban did not?

I can answer the first question at least since I have more warder loot then the entire freedom guild.

[LazyHydras]

Its not that hard, just tuck in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pKt4gaErvU

Tuck it.

[nyclin]

freedom: shrink the fuck up and don't get in los of an area where mobs are actively being pulled
riot: maybe don't drop mobs so close to freedom, given that they seem to have many members who don't understand how los works with regards to aggro

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[Senix]

Only once Detoxx won't plot on killing our pets will we truly be free !

[k9quaint]

Petition for freedom (to get weed).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8JtnUpkP0s

[Hrothgar]

Last time there was this much discussion about a man tucking, RuPaul got an Emmy Award Winning TV Show.

[Dugface]

Gravestone getting Riot info from Plox? Hmm

[kjs86z]

Gravestone getting Riot info from Plox? Hmm

[Thaak]

yet as a kittens member who has never competed for a vulak compelled to shit post on rnf :o

can't wait for the joint kttens and riot raids
How'd that solo ring war go?

[Dugface]

Correction: Detoxx getting Riot info from a Riot leak, Plox?

[sydbarrett25]

How'd that solo ring war go?

[Wabic]

How can you split with someone standing there you ask? You can't - why not just ask him to tuck in so you can split/compete?

In my opinion it wasn't intentional but your argument here is convincing me otherwise.

That doesn't seem fair, though. Because of another guild's bad positioning, Riot monks can't pull or move through 4-way? He'd have to ask like six people to move, anyway. It can't be that a guild can stop another guild's operations just by sitting in the line of fire. Isn't that the "on the tracks" argument we've heard?

[azeth]

Itt a guild attempted a positional cock block and got dunked on

A tale as old as... 2009

[LazyHydras]

Itt a guild attempted a positional cock block and got dunked on

A tale as old as... 2009

You know what I love? The Dunkers from Trader Joe's. They're elongated chocolate-chip cookies (sometimes with a layer of chocolate surrounding the middle of the cookie) and are perfect to dunk in your morning coffee if dunking is your thing.

[Psyborg]

grats AG on another successful ring war! which AG member got the ring 10?

Chiana from Freedom. Tofat’s turn in. Good try though.

[Psyborg]

Both guilds goofed. Obviously avoidable on both fronts. The real moron is the master baiting OP. Grats on a Vulak Riot.

[Senix]

That doesn't seem fair, though. Because of another guild's bad positioning, Riot monks can't pull or move through 4-way? He'd have to ask like six people to move, anyway. It can't be that a guild can stop another guild's operations just by sitting in the line of fire. Isn't that the "on the tracks" argument we've heard?
This guy gets it. Also you guys can't argue to make on the tracks a thing then dispute it when it's not in your favor......

[Vianna]

lol those mobs were already moving before the monk ran around the corner.

womp womp.

No they weren't. They stopped when he FD'd then moved again. That is pretty clear.

[Hrothgar]

Jfc imagine caring about this. It’s gonna spawn again next week. It’s like you’re getting upset the “snow” in the snow globe finally settled; don’t worry, buddy, it’s gonna get shaken up again in 7 days +/- 12 hours.

[xdrcfrx]

Jfc imagine caring about this. It’s gonna spawn again next week. It’s like you’re getting upset the “snow” in the snow globe finally settled; don’t worry, buddy, it’s gonna get shaken up again in 7 days +/- 12 hours.

I don't actually care about this, but i had a lot of time waiting on zoom meetings today and it was a good way to kill some time.

[Arvan]

NGL went a little bit bald reading this

[Hrothgar]

I don't actually care about this, but i had a lot of time waiting on zoom meetings today and it was a good way to kill some time.

Yeah, but 14 pages of p99 pixel NSA suggests a lotta baldies got head-skin in this game!

[Tuljin]

I'd say go level a toon 50-60 on Green but you need to realize how many Blue players never -actually- leveled a toon to 60 in EQ - ever

Shit is so effing old guise, go outside

[Goodest]

Funny thing is.... Riot killed the mobs AG/F tried vulak and wiped... So none of it matters. I'll quote the frag leadership "mobs dead you shouldn't stand there during our engage." The bigger picture now it the pom corner is the new top of the trips ramp..

[Twochain]

I'd stop arguing this if I were you.

If the mobs were aggro on Benji rather than Berkeley, then the mobs wouldn't have stopped at Berkeley's feet when he FD'd. They'd have ran right past Berkeley to Benji because initial aggro was on Benji.

But that's not what happened.

They stopped right at Berkeley's feet, THEN started running for Benji.

And you might think - but wait Conda. Benji had initial aggro because someone drew a red line, so certainly he had initial aggro, and Berkeley ran around the corner, got fresh first aggro on a new mob, and that is why they stopped at his feet. But this would also be false because instead of merged train aggro transfer, again, the mobs STOPPED and then moved to Benji.

There is no argument. Berkeley caused this train.


I watched the video for the first time in this thread. I thought the same exact thing Conda is saying. To me, the agro clearly drops, and the mobs are unagro'd before eventually agroing Benjamin, who was clearly out of KOS range as they don't agro him in the beginning of the video. I guess the only argue about that, is that the video isn't long enough to complete a full server tic, as I guess benjamin could have moved to that position a a few frames before the video start. But even if THAT were true, the fact thats the mobs didn't seemlessly transfer agro from berkley to benjamin lead me to believe that to be true.


You also have to realize that some times in fraps, players who are moving around a lot aren't always in the correct position if you consider where they are on your screen versus where the server reads them to be. I mean shit, a server tic is once every 6 seconds right?

That's my Neutral take, thread seems pretty bad otherwise though.

[Psyborg]

I watched the video for the first time in this thread. I thought the same exact thing Conda is saying. To me, the agro clearly drops, and the mobs are unagro'd before eventually agroing Benjamin, who was clearly out of KOS range as they don't agro him in the beginning of the video. I guess the only argue about that, is that the video isn't long enough to complete a full server tic, as I guess benjamin could have moved to that position a a few frames before the video start. But even if THAT were true, the fact thats the mobs didn't seemlessly transfer agro from berkley to benjamin lead me to believe that to be true.


You also have to realize that some times in fraps, players who are moving around a lot aren't always in the correct position if you consider where they are on your screen versus where the server reads them to be. I mean shit, a server tic is once every 6 seconds right?

That's my Neutral take, thread seems pretty bad otherwise though.

Both guilds could have avoided it. In the end it was a non-factor and handled pretty well on all sides outside of this cringe RNF post.

[LazyHydras]

Yea, pretty much. Unless there was a 3rd party actor skulking around the corner just out of frame of the video, the most likely scenario is that Berkley edged out around the corner for just a moment, but a moment long enough to initiate aggro on the mobs. By the time he moved out from around the corner to flop, the mobs had already been pulled close enough to aggro Benjaman.

[Hotel]

worst thing about this thread is that it was started by someone in <kittens who say meow>

sorry about your fear golems

https://imgur.com/a/7SFyIwS.jpg

[Psyborg]

worst thing about this thread is that it was started by someone in <kittens who say meow>

sorry about your fear golems

https://imgur.com/a/7SFyIwS.jpg

Didn't realize zigzag was in Kittens but it all makes sense now. Most entitled gobshites on the server.

[feniin]

Didn't realize zigzag was in Kittens but it all makes sense now. Most entitled gobshites on the server.

Not the shit tier guild that has to be a parasite to AG to accomplish anything?

[Psyborg]

Not the shit tier guild that has to be a parasite to AG to accomplish anything?

We have our own issues, but entitlement isn't one of them. We put in the work to earn the pixels. Thanks friend.

[Hotel]

Not the shit tier guild that has to be a parasite to AG to accomplish anything?

have you had your coffee yet

you sound very mad

[Ennewi]

Many members (and, more importantly, leaders) of these guilds feel the need to constantly antagonize each other in and out of game instead of simply playing the game. These players have become hyper-sensitive to every negative thing that happens.

...

This behavior is immature and creates an unhealthy environment for our community as a whole, as well as our staff. The end result of this are sour relationships that will never heal if things don’t change, and we are witnessing more and more escalation.

[Fammaden]

It is time to re-evaluate how you are behaving or leave our server.

[xdrcfrx]

NGL I actually like tofat.

Lets all be friends?

[Tongpow]

Lets all be friends?

[sydbarrett25]

https://youtu.be/CgRlqcgEWY0

[LazyHydras]

https://youtu.be/CgRlqcgEWY0

I see your current meme and raise you an internet classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAzp5fMJTtk

[ErlickBachman]

WTB Swish post for Royal Flush of Cat memes and gifs.

[xdrcfrx]

it's friday folks - next week's a short work week for many, and a holiday for most too. I can't be the only one phonin' it in today.

lets all just groove on the impending turkey vibes.

T!gobble

[apathe]

NGL went a little bit bald reading this

You were already bald.

[BiG SiP]

i call

https://i.imgur.com/bKeLCdj.gif

[raski]

can't wait for all these shitbirds to catch the banhammer 2.0 im guessing its coming sooner than later =)

[Bbeta]

can't wait for all these shitbirds to catch the banhammer 2.0 im guessing its coming sooner than later =)

For what?

[Hotel]

can't wait for all these shitbirds to catch the banhammer 2.0 im guessing its coming sooner than later =)

you realize kwsm started this thread lmao

[Ennewi]

WTB more situations where everyone laughs at themselves or at least the ridiculousness of it all.

[Praxcthius]

after looking at the fraps for the whole 14 seconds posted. you can see for a good 5-6 seconds benj standing in the same spot. no agro. drakes start to agro a split second before berk goes around corner. going straight for the riot monk. stopping for a moment when he flops. my question. did he use an eye. got to be in the logs. let's ask the gms to check that.

[Naonak]

Both guilds could have avoided it. In the end it was a non-factor and handled pretty well on all sides outside of this cringe RNF post.

Video and complaint was posted in UN channel by Detoxx and then quickly deleted.

Another 10 second video that showed nothing. But the post to go with it, hurt my feelings.

Why aren't we talking about another AG/F Vulak engage with fresh FTE message again, with 60+ players around him after a few minutes of engaging?

Riot engage and have guards and adds come to Vulak and no FTE message go out.

Strange

[Psyborg]

Video and complaint was posted in UN channel by Detoxx and then quickly deleted.

Another 10 second video that showed nothing. But the post to go with it, hurt my feelings.

Why aren't we talking about another AG/F Vulak engage with fresh FTE message again, with 60+ players around him after a few minutes of engaging?

Riot engage and have guards and adds come to Vulak and no FTE message go out.

Strange

There is a reason it was deleted. Seems silly to even bother complaining about that.

If you have a raid concern regarding Vulak then bring it up in the raid concerns channel in UN. RNF doesn’t sound like the intelligent choice to get useful information.

[Hotel]

koolaid man is strong with that guy

[Hrothgar]

In all of this nonsense, we missed something in UN chat:

A man, who is named after the enduring euphemism for the mid 20th century German fascist dictator responsible for one of (if not THE) the largest genocides in human history, boo-hooed "toxic" to the UN channel when someone told him "GiT GUd" in /ooc.

If you have ever been at the starting line with this man, for ANY FTE RACE, you know the horse-shit has stacked up a mile high at this point.

[TomisFeline]

is this about U.S. politics or eq?

[Hrothgar]

is this about U.S. politics or eq?

Well played

[TomisFeline]

Many members (and, more importantly, leaders) of these guilds feel the need to constantly antagonize each other in and out of game instead of simply playing the game. These players have become hyper-sensitive to every negative thing that happens.

...

This behavior is immature and creates an unhealthy environment for our community as a whole, as well as our staff. The end result of this are sour relationships that will never heal if things don’t change, and we are witnessing more and more escalation.

meant to quote that ^

[regandna]

I have a slightly off-topic, but still a valid rant. It's about the clown Furoar. The guy is a scoundrel, a scumbag, a coward, and a spineless tard! Hopefully, you guys send him back down the hole that he traveled out of at some point.

[azxten]

NERD THREAD

[KansasComrade]

after looking at the fraps for the whole 14 seconds posted. you can see for a good 5-6 seconds benj standing in the same spot. no agro. drakes start to agro a split second before berk goes around corner. going straight for the riot monk. stopping for a moment when he flops. my question. did he use an eye. got to be in the logs. let's ask the gms to check that.

Lol yeah they’ll be right on that.