Before I go in and start editing the wiki...

[Sabin76]

Are we sure the Earth pet is supposed to be level 52? I'm frankly shocked that this hasn't been brought up here or on discord yet.

The silence does seem to be telling, however. So, I just want to make sure there wasn't some error before changing the wiki to reflect to current state of P99.

[Waedawen]

I'm watching these 2 dudesabuse the fuck out of the level 52 earth pet right now

The thing is tanking 4 guards at the same time with no slows. fucking unreal.

[Blingy]

I'm watching these 2 dudesabuse the fuck out of the level 52 earth pet right now

The thing is tanking 4 guards at the same time with no slows. fucking unreal.

Which guards? Some of them are very easy, others not so much. A level 49 earth pet can take several Misty guards with ease.

[Dolalin]

Are you saying this Earth pet is actually level 52? As in cons even to a level 52 player?

They are supposed to max at 49:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010701041204/http://www.magecompendium.com/Pets/Pet_Statistics.htm

[Waedawen]

I, personally, think it's the same bug that happened on Blue back in the day -- Magicians had "luclin era" pets that were absurdly strong, and then only after a few months (years?) did they get reverted back to 'classic' status

If I were to guess, its simply that the new pets are still 'luclin era' quote unquote, but they're still actually level 41-44 or so. They're not -level- 49 or whatever, that'd be fucking absurd.

[Donkey Hotay]

Uh, doesn't that say it should max at 45.

[Dolalin]

Which level of Earth pet are we talking about? These issues can be fixed but people need to be clearer about what's happening.

Is this thread about a mage with a level-49-tier Earth pet, and the pet itself is level 52? (These should max at 42 with focus)

Is it about a higher level mage with a level-51-tier Earth pet, and the pet itself is level 52? (These should max at 45)

Is it about an even higher level mage with a level-57-tier Earth pet, and the pet itself is level 52? (These should max at 49)

[Albanwr]

Which level of Earth pet are we talking about? These issues can be fixed but people need to be clearer about what's happening.

Is this thread about a mage with a level-49-tier Earth pet, and the pet itself is level 52? (These should max at 42 with focus)

Is it about a higher level mage with a level-51-tier Earth pet, and the pet itself is level 52? (These should max at 45)

Is it about an even higher level mage with a level-57-tier Earth pet, and the pet itself is level 52? (These should max at 49)

its about the lvl 51 earth pet spell now been a lvl 52 spell and its strong as hell. There is NO lvl 51 earth pet.

[Donkey Hotay]

Funny how fixing the mage 'bugs' apparently stopped at Classic but the 51 pet spell @52 with the wrong level summon wasn't of interest to that dedicated team of researchers who totally weren't interested in nerfing things they didn't like at that time.

[Dolalin]

Ok so the issue is that the pet spell Vocarate: Earth, which is supposed to require level 51 to scribe, actually requires level 52?

[damus1]

all pets are delayed a level. Fire is 53, air 54, water 55. Not sure about the second tier of pets.

[Sabin76]

Ok so the issue is that the pet spell Vocarate: Earth, which is supposed to require level 51 to scribe, actually requires level 52?

Yes. Sorry I wasn't more clear in the OP, I'll go back and edit it.

I simply don't know which is #Classic, so I'm asking. I figured everyone would know what I'm talking about because everyone knows at least one Mage if they don't have one themselves :P.

Nevermind... can't edit an OP :/

[PabloEdvardo]

A bunch of spell levels are completely broken. Chanters getting C2 at 52 instead of 54.

SHeal should be 53 not 51

Looks like they messed up a bunch of stuff for green Kunark

[Sabin76]

The reason for this post is because the wiki is a fallible resource. I am unsure if the devs are working off of information that I currently don't have in front of me. I didn't want to create a bug report without first consulting the community, nor did I want to go and edit the wiki.

My question still stands:

Are the spell scribe levels incorrect, or is the wiki?

If they are incorrect, then a bug report needs to be made (I'll be happy to write it). If they are correct, then we need to go in and edit the wiki (which I am also happy to do, though it would probably just be for the mage spells since that's what I main).

A bunch of spell levels are completely broken. Chanters getting C2 at 52 instead of 54.

SHeal should be 53 not 51

Looks like they messed up a bunch of stuff for green Kunark

Hmm, looking at CII it seems that it was originally put in as 52 on Blue, then changed to 54 at some point. Perhaps this is a holdover from then? As for SHeal, it seems like that might be the opposite deal... the Velious change made into Green's Kunark Launch.

[Kapusta]

Thank you for calling this out. There are definitely a metric frickton of mages like you, and myself, using the Wiki and were shocked and appalled to discover the "Lvl 51" earth pet being Lvl 52. Which is correct?

[Sabin76]

UPDATE: According to Telin, it is intentional. They were apparently reduced by 1 level at some point later in Kunark's timeline. Now I'm on the hunt for when that is!

[Knuckle]

I believe the wiki does not accurately reflect the kunark spells based on kunark scribe level. they are reflecting current blue/velious scribe level(even though its filtered to a kunark obtained spell in wiki).

Hope that helps everyone.

[Nuggie]

Ignore.

[Sabin76]

So far, I've been able to find that the Vocarate spells were 1 level lower than current as of December 2000 (http://web.archive.org/web/20001209195100/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spells.asp?Class=Magician) (we are currently at April 2000). I'll keep looking for earlier instances.

Interestingly, when I asked Telin about when they would be brought back to the level 51-54 range, he said he wasn't at liberty to tell me. I found that quite odd... like even if I do find the patch that reduced them, that might not be when the devs here decide to do it /shrug. Then again, it may just be the phantom armor regen thing all over again: patches don't go out as often so they tend to get lumped together.

[Morton Jr]

should be level 46

[Dolalin]

I figured it out. The Vocarate: Earth spell had its level changed from 52 to 51 just after Kunark release:


On March 29 this spell had its level changed from 52 to 51.


https://web.archive.org/web/20010506115030/http://eq.castersrealm.com/kunark/spells/magician/spelldescriptions.asp?SpellID=139

That is the CastersRealm 'new kunark spells' section, found the link in this newsgroup post in March 2000: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.everquest/c/uMnBSzy8kzY/m/6qIagzSQrDUJ

And here is a text file linked to in that same Newsgroup thread, on eqportal.com. This list was authored pre-Kunark release, it shows Vocarate: Earth at level 52:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010305012947/http://www.eqportal.com/eqguise/magicianspell.txt

So possibly this is working fine and will reduce in level as of April 2000. If it doesn't, bug it.

[Dolalin]

I have to take the above back - I got mixed up. EQ vanilla launch was in March; Kunark launch was in April (2000).

So this isn't working right. Spell should be 51 for our entire server timeline. It was only 52 in Kunark beta.

[Sabin76]

Interesting... well, time to go revert the wiki and file a bug report.