Kunark seems pretty depressing for a large portion of the server

[Mayge]

Unless you are in some big guild that can/will cover your ass, you are pretty much not touching any of the good 55+ dungeons. This leaves you a tiny handful of places to do anything useful with your time and a lot of boredom/repetition.

Is there some upside I'm missing? Thinking it's time for another several year/month hiatus. Kinda sad after being so excited kunark was finally here.

[Baler]

Kunark is incredibly exciting and fun! It's like progressing on live in the year 2000 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzpdd4pWvM&t=78).

I'm not sure why you're not having a good time. You could always play Blue if you want a server filled with 60's and velious gear.

[drackgon]

Look up Gathered Might. dont need to be in a zerg guild to do amazing fun stuff

[Izmael]

- Chardok not keyed
- HS key easy to solo for many classes and probably all at 60?
- Seb key some can be soloed, some classes will need a duo partner

Not sure what the issue is.

[Mayge]

- Chardok not keyed
- HS key easy to solo for many classes and probably all at 60?
- Seb key some can be soloed, some classes will need a duo partner

Not sure what the issue is.

You need a second key.

When you get your second key to "recover" your first key, you need to get your second key back outside afterwards. And that assumes your recovery even went well. it certainly might not.


What's not to get?

[Baler]

8 of the 11 new dungeons do NOT require a key.
Chardok
City of Mist
Dalnir
Kaesora
Karnor's Castle
Kurn's Tower
Mines of Nurga
Temple of Droga


Relive the Classic Everquest Experience as it was from 1999 to 2001.
What's not to get?

You shouldn't dislike green just because your world revolves around getting sebilis loot.
Plus Kunark has only been out for 1 day. I'm getting reddit vibes.

[douglas1999]

This is the fundamental nature of classic everquest and why it's appealing. High highs and low lows.

[Izmael]

You need a second key.


Then get a second key and corpse it outside.

Or get some friends who can CR you if you die.

[Mayge]

Then get a second key and corpse it outside.

Or get some friends who can CR you if you die.

Who is going to CR my friends when they die? And I already explained it's not even remotely as simple as getting a second key because it needs to be taken back outside after it's used.

[Izmael]

Maybe you should just stick to non keyed dungeons.

HS wing keys aren't soulbound and people had HS on farm status for years without a problem.

[Mayge]

Maybe you should just stick to non keyed dungeons.

HS wing keys aren't soulbound and people had HS on farm status for years without a problem.

The wing keys are irrelevant so no idea what you are talking about. It would be easy enough to stick to the non-keyed dungeons if not for the fact they are all either trash exp or for loot 55+ and that they will be horribly overpopulated.

[Stibe]

So join a guild.

[Mayge]

So join a guild.

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[Phaezed-Reality]

this is what i continue to bring up to the staff, the continued crying from the playerbase about "classic" and how it shapes p99.

It's sad to see. go play on TLP.

[Ravager]

Ubernerds shame someone for legit complaints. But it all comes down to this being a very flawed game. This is nothing like 2000. In 2000, everyone was too busy exploring the new zones and trying to figure out the new camps and quests instead of racing to Sebilis and locking down Pre-Nerf content.


You basically have 3 options here: Spend all your time trying to elbow your way to the front of the loot line (AKA "Work for it" to the mouthbreathers), go off the beaten path and look for other stuff to do (There is actually quite a lot to do that isn't in dungeon cash camps), or do something else entirely for a few months until these nerds are wasting all their time fighting over VP.

[magnetaress]

if your not on the good discords/a streamer your kind of just a person here

you can still have a lot of fun with the game tho by taking it slow and making fun stories out of it, creating a community of ragtag rebel newbies that are anti-whatever raid guild things or whatever.

rawhide, and banded goes forever a long way on iskars lol and necros don't even need armor :D

its just that most regular leveling groups are well established also, so the game requires a great deal of social time on top of a slow grind if approached normally without powerlevels etc, which people who are kind of loners/families either work around or just take 2cnd seat. When there's an available spot.

It's not a bad thing, EQ is more social-dynamic that way in that it requires a kind of group organization and leadership, or joining, and working towards joining a 'good team' to follow to 'do stuff' outside of level in the newbie areas and do some tradeskills. There's probably a few people who just leveled a mage solo to 50 or 60 or whatever tho. And enchanter is a good option for logging in and killing a mob every 30 minutes while naked too.

[Exard3k]

This is nothing like 2000. In 2000, everyone was too busy exploring the new zones and trying to figure out the new camps and quests instead of racing to Sebilis and locking down Pre-Nerf content.


This is what I do....explored Cabilis, LoiO, FoB and Warsliks. I dont have time to do quests, many more zones to come. Today I'll check out Kurn's :) Too bad I can't do the quest chains of the iksar classes because shaman doesnt really get a good one.

[BlackBellamy]

I remember back in 2000, about a month before Kunark dropped, I was sitting back in my chair looking at my monitor which showed 11,000 bone chips and nearly 400 gnoll scrolls banked.

I was ready.

I feel screwed :(

[magnetaress]

I remember back in 2000, about a month before Kunark dropped, I was sitting back in my chair looking at my monitor which showed 11,000 bone chips and nearly 400 gnoll scrolls banked.

I was ready.

I feel screwed :(

So they basically disabled a huge portion of the game that was fine and natural in 2000 just for what???

To protect some Esports "Server First" title? or something for hitting 60? Or whatever? LOL

I bet the bonechip markets in the newbie yards naturally took a huuuge dive lol. Soo classic.

[sajbert]

This is nothing new, several of the Kunark dungeons are tough.

As a casual player I’ll get seb key eventuelly just to do a group or two for fun. Mostly I’ll enjoy the solo leveling to 60, new spells and to do some raid content tourism.

[Blingy]

https://i.imgur.com/tSY1cGA.gif

If this is really your opinion of guilds it might be time for you to do some soul searching. I've been in all sorts of guilds over the last 20 odd years. Only one had a almost mandatory attendance policy (ie, if you're playing your main while a raid is happening you're expected to attend). There are many great guilds on green where the expectation is "be a decent person".

[Seducio]

Getting vibes of a desire for EZ mode from OP. This sever is not that.

Embrace the challenge or realize there are many other far easier games out there than the time it takes to be successful at this one.

[derpcake2]

Getting vibes of a desire for EZ mode from OP. This sever is not that.

Simpleton arguments like this make any discussion impossible.

Lots of neckbeards focussed on a a single zone (unclassic), zerging content down (unclassic), getting pre-nerf loot knowing it will poof soon (unclassic).

This is just making a top heavy server more top heavy.

[Seducio]

Discussion impossible?

Come up with better arguments. Do you want 21 years of game knowledge to not exist?

You appear to have problems with what other players are choosing to do with said knowledge.

This is a RnF thread in disguise.

[7thGate]

You can also do whatever keyed dungeon you want, just don't die there ever.

Basically, keep a vial of swirling mist or WC cap and leave immediately if you're in danger of dying. High risk, high reward, don't screw up. Play like its permadeath.

[azxten]

Getting vibes of a desire for EZ mode from OP. This sever is not that.

Embrace the challenge or realize there are many other far easier games out there than the time it takes to be successful at this one.

Double classic exp zones with a "UN" guild system which power levels all new members and that rotates raid mobs which have 20 year old strategies developed to kill them easily with only a handful of players yet will be killed with 100 players instead. Overly helpful staff that recovers rotted corpses, dropped items, and conducts legal proceedings for raid mobs when in live you were just totally fucked. Everyone shares accounts which would get you banned on live and openly discusses it in chat, forums, etc. List system to promote shared accounts locking down items.

lol...

P99 is the definition of easy mode. It's why I'm not playing here anymore. Forums are more entertaining. Wake me up when the next server launches if we get classic ZEMs and the various bugs are fixed that make P99 ridiculously easy to get to max level compared to live. Server is fun and the staff has made their choices but trying to pretend P99 is some hardcore gaming experience is hilarious.

[Seducio]

Nah it's simply you don't want to put in the time anymore. That's fine. Never said EQ was hard.

What's silly is the folks that like to bring others down with them.

There is a whole other forum for that.

[Jibartik]

I am having fun in the giant fort.

[Mayge]

Getting vibes of a desire for EZ mode from OP. This sever is not that.

Embrace the challenge or realize there are many other far easier games out there than the time it takes to be successful at this one.

Not sure what you ae referring to as easy mode. Having the keys not soulbound does nothing to increase the difficulty of those dungeons at all. They just become less accessible and more tedious.

[Seducio]

Can you wait less then 3 months for soulbound keys to become a thing like everyone else?

That's classic timeline wise. This has been discussed already if you searched before complaining.

With the data you presented in your OP, are you already level 55 and in need of those super high level dungeons asap? Because I doubt it.

If you are only in your early 50s like most folks then the sheer amount of options for gaining experience in both Kunark and the Old World is staggering. Enjoy those options.

[Mayge]

Can you wait less then 3 months for soulbound keys to become a thing like everyone else?

That's classic timeline wise. This has been discussed already if you searched before complaining.

With the data you presented in your OP, are you already level 55 and in need of those super high level dungeons asap? Because I doubt it.

If you are only in your early 50s like most folks then the sheer amount of options for gaining experience in both Kunark and the Old World is staggering. Enjoy those options.

Nope.i havent leveled up. I gained like 2-3 bubbles and said fuck it. Its pretty easy to see the writing on the wall.

And know what isn't classsic at all ?Lists? Why do they exist? Supposedly people thought it was to prevent monopolizing of camps -- well kunark completely dispelled that notion. Clearly that is NOT the reason. Actually, instead lists are there to cut down on the need for staff intervention. But why this same logic does not apply to the key situation which is no doubt gong to create more work for the staff as well?

[Exard3k]

They just become less accessible and more tedious.

Which makes you less likely to complete the dungeon. That's what difficulty means.

[Dolalin]

The solution to almost every gripe I've seen about classic everquest is to make friends to help you. That's the whole point of the game.

[Mayge]

Which makes you less likely to complete the dungeon. That's what difficulty means.

Tedium =/= difficulty. And there is no such thing as "completing a dungeon" in EQ.

The solution to almost every gripe I've seen about classic everquest is to make friends to help you. That's the whole point of the game.

Even if you do, it's still just a pain in the ass for no logical reason.

[Dolalin]

So go back to 2000 and tell Brad that. This is a historical recreation, not a reinvention.

[Mayge]

So go back to 2000 and tell Brad that. This is a historical recreation, not a reinvention.

Where are those list camps back in 2000?

[Seducio]

You are you. Enjoy your perspective.

This belongs in RnF next time is all.

[Mayge]

You are you. Enjoy your perspective.

This belongs in RnF next time is all.

There is no ranting nor flaming to be found in this thread. This is purely objective observation of facts. Picking the losing side of a debate doesn't change any of that.

[derpcake2]

Discussion impossible?

Come up with better arguments. Do you want 21 years of game knowledge to not exist?

You appear to have problems with what other players are choosing to do with said knowledge.

This is a RnF thread in disguise.

When it comes to soulbound keys, keeping them as they were only benefits neckbeards.

Why wasn't sebilis locked for the first week? Its not as if people beelined there in classic, killing trakanon day 1?

Why wasn't trakanon limited to a 70 person engage? Its not like in classic 100+ people showed up, this shouldn't be possible the first few months.

Anyway.

[Seducio]

Sweet some good ol' brigading on p99 forums. Baler was right. Reddit showed up.

Take it to RnF.

[Mayge]

Sweet some good ol' brigading on p99 forums. Baler was right. Reddit showed up.

Take it to RnF.

Strange that you seem to be the only one ranting or flaming.

[Seducio]

Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.

[Mayge]

I would also add that all kunark zones were bind-enable for several weeks to several months when kunark launched(not counting TD). I believe they added bind-enabled places such as outside keasora aruound the time of nerfing dungeon binding.

Further, the keys for sebilis and HS should be droppable/tradeable. I didn't have a VP key back then before they changed it but perhaps it too was droppable.

This meant you could daisy chain entire groups into these dungeons with a single key and the same key could then besafely stored outside at the beginning of a dungeon run instead of having to deal with it during a CR.

it also should be noted that in the orignal EQ the need for the key and the fact it wasn' tsoulbound was a significant danger for potential corpse loss. There is no corpse loss on P99 and the corpse times them self are much more generous. hence the main function of the key being required is not even relevant on green.

Taken as a whole, I think I've clearly demonstrated that there is no good reason to maintain the non-souldbound aspect of the keys. It only adds tedium and skews the game into the neckbeard realm for no good or logical reason.

[Seducio]

Bug section. RnF section.

You are straight talking to the wrong folks and you already know that.

[douglas1999]

I've been playing this game for 21 years lol

My everquest /played can now legally buy alcohol

[Asteria]

grats on 999 posts, soon to no longer be fire giant !:)

[Mayge]

Ok I grabbed a nap and had this little bit of a dream that made me remember a specific event that occurred almost immediately after the release of kunark. Right after I got the CD and installed,I had taken one of my chars out to droga to bind them and get an item I knew about having already played in the beta. Turns out they not only removed the item I wanted from the beta,but they also removed th e ability to bind there.

That said, I still recall daisy chaining people into seb and/or howling stones with a single key. No clue about VP key.

I still think other than just a waste of players time the only real issue of difficulty/danger non-soulbound keys offered was the fear of losing ones corpse. That never happens at all P99, so it seems pretty pointless.

[Knuckle]

I think everyone should take a breath, you've got a solid 7 months maybe longer. Unless your goal was a legacy item and can neckbeard for it, everyone will get a piece of kunark as the no lifers get to 60 and set up shop in seb.

[Cen]

Kunark is a beautiful expansion for all levels. They made it so you can live there from 1-60 for Iksar and with OT and Kurns and a karsora bind even other races can live there from 10-60 comfortably

[Seducio]

I'm looking forward to Mayge's perfect memory Kunark Emu serv. I'm sure it's going to be way more classic than p1999. Can't wait.

[Mayge]

I'm looking forward to Mayge's perfect memory Kunark Emu serv. I'm sure it's going to be way more classic than p1999. Can't wait.

July 2000 patch notes, seb key was correctly changed weeks earlier but Hs didn't get changed until tis patch:

*Keyed Dungeons*

The key for Charasis (Howling Stones) is now NODROP per the patch
message from a couple of weeks ago. Furthermore, when your character
dies, keys for Charasis, Sebilis, and Veeshan's Peak, will no longer
remain with your corpse, but will instead return with your character to
its bind point.

[Seducio]

If you build it, they will come. -Field of Dreams

[Rang]

Chardok has great XP (unless the ZEM was recently changed) and requires no key. Good loot too - Sarnak Battle Shield and Stave of Shielding. On that note the wiki probably needs a pre-vamp and post-vamp page separate for Chardok.

[Baler]

Chardok has great XP (unless the ZEM was recently changed) and requires no key. Good loot too - Sarnak Battle Shield and Stave of Shielding. On that note the wiki probably needs a pre-vamp and post-vamp page separate for Chardok.

Wiki is a bit of a mess in terms of pre-revamp & Post-revamp fear/hate/chardok/etc.
Due to the structure of the wiki and how the game is updated. It is a challenge to separate that info in an effective way without causing conflicting information. Sort of the same problem we already have.

I've love to see an effort to appropriately label for revamps based on era. :)

Did you know the fear revamp is consider Velious era for example. But if you start labeling fear as velious era it starts to get confusing because it's during Fear Era that fear came out.

[Rang]

Well I'm no wiki expert. I know like for individual items you can look at blue price vs green price. Any way to use that functionality for zones? So one tab pre-vamp one tab post vamp?

[Baler]

Well I'm no wiki expert. I know like for individual items you can look at blue price vs green price. Any way to use that functionality for zones? So one tab pre-vamp one tab post vamp?

That's a great idea! Unfortunately that would require someone well versed in PHP. The only reason we got the green/teal tabs on the auction tracker is Ravhin came back to update it.

So if anyone knows somebody excellent at PHP that is objective, we're in need of them.

[Asteria]

I'm looking forward to Mayge's perfect memory Kunark Emu serv. I'm sure it's going to be way more classic than p1999. Can't wait.

[Gustoo]

Theres a lot of stuff to do in kunark.

I don't know what to say. If you want to "beat" the game join the biggest most poop socking guild and do it hard for a year or two to get the deep loots.

If you want to enjoy the game, kunark has a shit load of content.

I miss the glory of like 5 groups in karnors 12 groups in OT and 12 groups on DL and at least 5 groups in FM just the GRRRRRIND FEST in kunark during the heyday. EXP was BAD btw mega grindage I never had that bad of EXP on p99 red or blue.

[Hrothgar]

Lol @ getting a second Sebilis key

[connect]

Typical snowflake OP.
No Soul bound key for top tier dungeons... you don’t need to level there to get 60....
You just WANT to... You’re not paying for this server... entitled to nothing...


And you say joining a guild is like joining the borg...
EQ is a community game at its heart. Yes there are things you can solo and classes that can solo well... But it was designed for you to be with other people... that means join a guild... make friends...

[FatherSioux]

No experience turn ins: Dumb
Non-Soulbound keys: Not fun and dumb

[Seducio]

You seem like an optimist.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Theres a lot of stuff to do in kunark.

I don't know what to say. If you want to "beat" the game join the biggest most poop socking guild and do it hard for a year or two to get the deep loots.

If you want to enjoy the game, kunark has a shit load of content.

I miss the glory of like 5 groups in karnors 12 groups in OT and 12 groups on DL and at least 5 groups in FM just the GRRRRRIND FEST in kunark during the heyday. EXP was BAD btw mega grindage I never had that bad of EXP on p99 red or blue.

3-4 groups on every wall outside Karnor's in DL!

[Waedawen]

Nope.i havent leveled up. I gained like 2-3 bubbles and said fuck it. Its pretty easy to see the writing on the wall.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you, a classic example of "A Fucking Noob Who Doesn't Realize They're a Fucking Noob."

This fucking asshole couldn't even be bothered to complete level 51 and he thinks he has the fucking authority to start saying some stupid ass shit?

Fucking embarrassing.

[Mayge]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you, a classic example of "A Fucking Noob Who Doesn't Realize They're a Fucking Noob."

This fucking asshole couldn't even be bothered to complete level 51 and he thinks he has the fucking authority to start saying some stupid ass shit?

Fucking embarrassing.

LOL. Noob? I was in P3 and P4 betas of the original game, beta tested kunark, leveled up numerous 50-60 characters since then, many almost exclusively in kunark. if I'm a noob, you've never even heard of EQ.

[Baler]

Just going to slip this wiki page into this thread...
https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium

Remember if you wish to contribute to the wiki be objective (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective)!

[Izmael]

I literally got brain damage skimming over this thread.

[Morton Jr]

LOL. Noob? I was in P3 and P4 betas of the original game, beta tested kunark, leveled up numerous 50-60 characters since then, many almost exclusively in kunark. if I'm a noob, you've never even heard of EQ.

Guys ive leveled up numerous 50-60 chars since 1999