Ringwar Needs to be a roll/random

[Zekayy]

"Clickfest is the status quo, so we can continue that as a server rule" - Ziing <Riot>, that is the single dumbest thing ive ever read, The ringwar Should NOT be a clickfest, lets look at some facts, scout charisa previously was a clickfest/fte race and was changed due to suspected autofire the roll system works. Ring 8 is a roll, Works Angry goblin is a roll works, Why is this any different? why should the ringwar be a clickfest? if it is a random then thats fair for everyone it prevents the use of autofire/keyboard programs.

[Ripqozko]

"Clickfest is the status quo, so we can continue that as a server rule" - Ziing <Riot>, that is the single dumbest thing ive ever read, The ringwar Should NOT be a clickfest, lets look at some facts, scout charisa previously was a clickfest/fte race and was changed due to suspected autofire the roll system works. Ring 8 is a roll, Works Angry goblin is a roll works, Why is this any different? why should the ringwar be a clickfest? if it is a random then thats fair for everyone it prevents the use of autofire/keyboard programs.

Sorry you don't got ring 10

[Zekayy]

Sorry you don't got ring 10

sorry you dont have your mage epic

[conoutoftrol]

sry your mom won't buy you the razer keyboard

[Goodest]

Your funny, freedom "we want to compete" riot "rotate things" (those formally known as AG) "what ever freedom wants they give us loot."

What this seems like is freedom " We want to compete on our terms and f the rest of you guys, roll these things race for these things FTE lock out race for these things"
Riot " rotate all the things so every one can do all the things"
(those formaly known as AG) " i plead the fifth, we follow what freedom wants they give us the shinnys"

[Zekayy]

Your funny, freedom "we want to compete" riot "rotate things" (those formally known as AG) "what ever freedom wants they give us loot."

What this seems like is freedom " We want to compete on our terms and f the rest of you guys, roll these things race for these things FTE lock out race for these things"
Riot " rotate all the things so every one can do all the things"
(those formaly known as AG) " i plead the fifth, we follow what freedom wants they give us the shinnys"

I never said it should be rotated, I just said it needs to be a /random to prevent autofire its a system that is in place now and works for those mentioned above, anyone or guilds who break those said agreements the scout roll etc get suspended/banned anyway.

[Ripqozko]

I never said it should be rotated, I just said it needs to be a /random to prevent autofire its a system that is in place now and works for those mentioned above, anyone or guilds who break those said agreements the scout roll etc get suspended/banned anyway.

how about you get gud. sorry you dont have get good

[Zekayy]

how about you get gud. sorry you dont have get good

how about you get your mage epic? sorry you dont have an epic op pet like a real mage

[Akg49]

no

hope this helped

[Zekayy]

no

hope this helped

why no tho?

[kaizersoze]

scout also isnt a raid target.

Freedom wants to suicide into dragons for a 2 hour FTE lock but cant clickfest like everyone else for ultra fast fte?

[Hotel]

ring war should totally be a click fest

fuck this beta shit

[Ripqozko]

ring war should totally be a click fest

fuck this beta shit

god bless

[k9quaint]

Should be a /list for max carebear

[shuklak]

Big, 9 second, sip.

[sydbarrett25]

Sorry you don't got ring 10

Thanks man, it means a lot : )

[Comoc1]

sorry you dont have your mage epic

[Argh]

Why not make everything a roll?

[Endorra]

I'm with Argh. It's a roll playing game.

[charmcitysking]

don't you mean scouf charisa

[Croco]

don't you mean scouf charisa

don't you mean scouf chorizo?

[Toryas]

"Clickfest is the status quo, so we can continue that as a server rule" - Ziing <Riot>, that is the single dumbest thing ive ever read, The ringwar Should NOT be a clickfest, lets look at some facts, scout charisa previously was a clickfest/fte race and was changed due to suspected autofire the roll system works. Ring 8 is a roll, Works Angry goblin is a roll works, Why is this any different? why should the ringwar be a clickfest? if it is a random then thats fair for everyone it prevents the use of autofire/keyboard programs.

"We don't win using the current system so let's change it to favour us." Coming from a guild who got banned for wasting Ring Wars. Your credibility is somewhat lacking, and there's a common theme occurring.

[Zekayy]

ring war should totally be a click fest

fuck this beta shit

no tofat it shouldnt lol

[Zekayy]

scout also isnt a raid target.

Freedom wants to suicide into dragons for a 2 hour FTE lock but cant clickfest like everyone else for ultra fast fte?

Not everyone in freedom thinks it should be a clickfest

[Tunabros]

I'm with Argh. It's a roll playing game.

[hobart]

Grats Omni?

[baakss]

Riot proposed a rotation with random rolls as the server default.

When I say the status quo is fine, I’m actually agreeing to meet you with that statement.

Maybe read through context next time.

Riot’s Proposal:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g5vk0X4CBeDFbeJLRDmZQUR0wqmDx2x8LP7df6EQeIs/edit

[Jorgam]

Your funny, freedom "we want to compete" riot "rotate things" (those formally known as AG) "what ever freedom wants they give us loot."

What this seems like is freedom " We want to compete on our terms and f the rest of you guys, roll these things race for these things FTE lock out race for these things"
Riot " rotate all the things so every one can do all the things"
(those formaly known as AG) " i plead the fifth, we follow what freedom wants they give us the shinnys"

Nice projection, twerp.

[Zekayy]

Lets make this a roll/random and if the guild/person that wins the roll then that guild gets the ringwar for x amount of time theres zero reason we cant come up with something.

[saftbudet]

Lets make this a roll/random and if the guild/person that wins the roll then that guild gets the ringwar for x amount of time theres zero reason we cant come up with something.

No, ckickwar is better it rewards players there. Not like rollinh rewarding someone boxing from green or wow classic.

[Nuggie]

how about you get cheat like the rest of us. sorry you dont have get cheat

FTFY

[Ripqozko]

FTFY

I don’t do ring wars I’m in TSS, need you to get gud.

[Nuggie]

I don't need good. I'm happy with bad.

[Zekayy]

No, ckickwar is better it rewards players there. Not like rollinh rewarding someone boxing from green or wow classic.

so the scout roll doesnt work? oh wait it does

[pogs4ever]

should roll for engages too!

[Zekayy]

You guys have to remember the scout roll was FTE and it was changed so why cant this?

[Wokka]

Difference is scout rewards aren't BiS. Random rolling for a BiS item is stupid imo

[Zekayy]

Difference is scout rewards aren't BiS. Random rolling for a BiS item is stupid imo

I guess the same can be said for angry goblin which is a roll too huh?

[Ripqozko]

GalachToday at 1:08 PM
@Jutebox <KWSM> we took your stuff into consideration. We didn't want a roll for ring war & we did not to rotate all the dragons every week. We went with the serpentine draft once a quarter

sorry you dont got rolloff

[Viscere]

Sorry trump lost lmao

[Zekayy]

Lets change this boys

[kaizersoze]

Lets not.

[Trexller]

Server policies are NEVER decided by the players, it's only when the devs ALSO agree.

Not a democrazy, no majority rule. Same goes for the 1000 other p99 things that you all complain(bitch) about.

Ask Castle about the teal server.

[Nuggie]

Server policies are NEVER decided by the players, it's only when the devs ALSO agree.

Not a democrazy, no majority rule. Same goes for the 1000 other p99 things that you all complain(bitch) about.

Ask Castle about the teal server.

Scout roll was started by a player. It went very well for a very long time. Same agreement held with ... that ring battle in EW. Cordial agreement made by the community and respected by all. Until when? After my time on Blue99.

[Trexller]

it's only when the devs ALSO agree.

[Zekayy]

Scout roll was started by a player. It went very well for a very long time. Same agreement held with ... that ring battle in EW. Cordial agreement made by the community and respected by all. Until when? After my time on Blue99.

this

[elwing]

Scout is a single group 4min thing, ring war is a 2h raid thing...

[Hideousclaw]

Seek warder loot, or whatever they say here.

Also, Bush towers

[Zekayy]

#ChangeTheRingwar2021

[Zekayy]

Gee what a healthy thing that clickfest is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyrCahYxFdg #changetheringwar2021

[Zekayy]

Seek warder loot, or whatever they say here.

Also, Bush towers

Sure does look healthy and fun daewen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyrCahYxFdg

[imsorryGMs]

Bro, i hardly doubt you're one of the people in the hut doing the clickfest, so until you start getting into the clickfests, you have no say in how it should be done. i think most guilds are fine with it. AG won it today, good for them. It'll respawn in 3 days. "Sorry you don't got ring 10"

[Ripqozko]

Working as intended, move to resolved.

[Zekayy]

Bro, i hardly doubt you're one of the people in the hut doing the clickfest, so until you start getting into the clickfests, you have no say in how it should be done. i think most guilds are fine with it. AG won it today, good for them. It'll respawn in 3 days. "Sorry you don't got ring 10"

you sound upset cause im trying to change this sorry you dont care for the healthy of the server

[imsorryGMs]

Don't get RKO'd

[Zekayy]

Don't get RKO'd

Lol funny with the wrestling reference

[Foxplay]

Seems unhealthy

Can legit turn in's be differentiated between auto clickers? If not the legitimacy of this method is questionable. Could it be tested and enforced?

I find it funny that other turn in's are changed due to people using autoclicker's yet raid content is not because "competitive"

Maybe the spawn to turn in times need to be pulled and checked for "probable human response times"

The issue of possible cheating aside. I still see this as defiantly "unhealthy" behavior

[Magerin]

I member! I member!

Scout was changed was because one dude was winning 95% of the turn ins and basically sold 5 out of 6 spawns on the normal and people could reliably pay the guy to do the turn in and get their loot. This sort of gearing up wasn't intended....since big guilds want competitive, RW remains unchanged..getting gear by joining only 1 guild is working as intended.

Move to resolved. (as shitty as the outcome is)

[Croco]

i think most guilds are fine with it.

Most guilds are not fine with it. Clickfest is literal aids.

[magnetaress]

I have never done this ring war after 40 yrs of EQ and probably still won't.

[Domo]

I have never done this ring war after 40 yrs of EQ and probably still won't.

Are you even playing this game? I mean it looks like you spending all your time only on this forum?

Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Inside of you.
Posts: 2,362

[khaybrother86]

Suspension lifted with no real change implemented. Other than people now too afraid to speak up for fear of looking "toxic" and possibly causing another suspension....

Zekay, RW will change to a rotation as soon as Freedom and AG members push their leadership to negotiate in good faith. Instead of taking their ball home when they don't get their way. Server default rule isn't what get changed. Only player agreements can happen to increase QoL.

[Swish]

Suspension lifted with no real change implemented. Other than people now too afraid to speak up for fear of looking "toxic" and possibly causing another suspension....

Zekay, RW will change to a rotation as soon as Freedom and AG members push their leadership to negotiate in good faith. Instead of taking their ball home when they don't get their way. Server default rule isn't what get changed. Only player agreements can happen to increase QoL.

If only you could pvp it out rather than waving your arms at the referee every time some pixels appear.

[Zekayy]

Detoxx Said it best This isnt complicated guys. Just rotate the Ring War. It took AM / Awakened 20 mins to make a rotation that lasted a long time. I dont understand why everyone is being so insane about turn in times. Give people time to muster a force if the thing spawns at 2am. 8 hours is plenty. Or have different time limits for prime time and off hours
Call skip, punish fails (not skips). Done.
Server is deadlocked in Velious forever. Losing a few Badains a year due to waiting to turn in aint gunna kill anyone
Literally every other server in the existence of EverQuest and even this server pre this era could come up with the most basic rotations. Its embarassing we cannot

[Zekayy]

Seems unhealthy

Can legit turn in's be differentiated between auto clickers? If not the legitimacy of this method is questionable. Could it be tested and enforced?

I find it funny that other turn in's are changed due to people using autoclicker's yet raid content is not because "competitive"

Maybe the spawn to turn in times need to be pulled and checked for "probable human response times"

The issue of possible cheating aside. I still see this as defiantly "unhealthy" behavior

Yes it can thats why the scout roll was changed

[Zekayy]

Suspension lifted with no real change implemented. Other than people now too afraid to speak up for fear of looking "toxic" and possibly causing another suspension....

Zekay, RW will change to a rotation as soon as Freedom and AG members push their leadership to negotiate in good faith. Instead of taking their ball home when they don't get their way. Server default rule isn't what get changed. Only player agreements can happen to increase QoL.


Dude Freedom leader detoxx just said this in the UN This isnt complicated guys. Just rotate the Ring War. It took AM / Awakened 20 mins to make a rotation that lasted a long time. I dont understand why everyone is being so insane about turn in times. Give people time to muster a force if the thing spawns at 2am. 8 hours is plenty. Or have different time limits for prime time and off hours
Call skip, punish fails (not skips). Done.
Server is deadlocked in Velious forever. Losing a few Badains a year due to waiting to turn in aint gunna kill anyone
Literally every other server in the existence of EverQuest and even this server pre this era could come up with the most basic rotations. Its embarassing we cannot

so yes were pushing for a change

[magnetaress]

Are you even playing this game? I mean it looks like you spending all your time only on this forum?

Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Inside of you.
Posts: 2,362

I've got a bunch of characters on red. I usually just run around rping with low level NPCs.

[sydbarrett25]

Dude Freedom leader detoxx just said this in the UN This isnt complicated guys. Just rotate the Ring War. It took AM / Awakened 20 mins to make a rotation that lasted a long time. I dont understand why everyone is being so insane about turn in times. Give people time to muster a force if the thing spawns at 2am. 8 hours is plenty. Or have different time limits for prime time and off hours
Call skip, punish fails (not skips). Done.
Server is deadlocked in Velious forever. Losing a few Badains a year due to waiting to turn in aint gunna kill anyone
Literally every other server in the existence of EverQuest and even this server pre this era could come up with the most basic rotations. Its embarassing we cannot

so yes were pushing for a change

Soon(tm)

[Ripqozko]

pantheon will come out before yall come an agreement.

[Zekayy]

pantheon will come out before yall come an agreement.

big oof because you are right

[sydbarrett25]

Bump, lets do it

[Zekayy]

Can we get this changed already?

[Ripqozko]

Can we get this changed already?

No it’s fine. Move to resolved.

[imsorryGMs]

Can we get this changed already?

Not sure why you're worried about this when your guild is currently under raid suspension.

[Zekayy]

Not sure why you're worried about this when your guild is currently under raid suspension.

This was before the suspension sir its a stupid system that shouldnt be a thing

[saftbudet]

We do not want your roll. Stop bump your agenda.

[khaybrother86]

Zekay, you are naive it seems. FD leadership only push for change that more heavily benefits them while simultaneously negatively affecting Riot. You can make the argument that any good leader would do the same, but that isn't true. Compromise is how agreements get made.

Here are a few quotes to help my point. "Racing will benefit the casuals", "who cares if larger turn in windows cost the server a bunch of Badain's. It's 2020". Or this one by Tailgating. 13666

That comment Detoxx made about AM and Awakened coming to an agreement in 20 minutes is just another line of bullshit. They split VP and ToV amongst themselves and then would sock every other target before moving to those zones. That is the biggest middle finger to all of the other smaller raid guilds. It is that type of behavior that spawned the desire for Riot's creation in the first place.

At first I could not understand how good people would chose to follow players with some of the worst reputations on this server. A lot likely don't know any of the history. While others can look past a lot to experience content that gets gatekept by these people. But if you all continue to follow Furoar after this past incident, IMO, you show yourselves to have zero conviction.

[Zekayy]

Zekay, you are naive it seems. FD leadership only push for change that more heavily benefits them while simultaneously negatively affecting Riot. You can make the argument that any good leader would do the same, but that isn't true. Compromise is how agreements get made.

Here are a few quotes to help my point. "Racing will benefit the casuals", "who cares if larger turn in windows cost the server a bunch of Badain's. It's 2020". Or this one by Tailgating. 13666

That comment Detoxx made about AM and Awakened coming to an agreement in 20 minutes is just another line of bullshit. They split VP and ToV amongst themselves and then would sock every other target before moving to those zones. That is the biggest middle finger to all of the other smaller raid guilds. It is that type of behavior that spawned the desire for Riot's creation in the first place.

At first I could not understand how good people would chose to follow players with some of the worst reputations on this server. A lot likely don't know any of the history. While others can look past a lot to experience content that gets gatekept by these people. But if you all continue to follow Furoar after this past incident, IMO, you show yourselves to have zero conviction.

Hey man my thoughts are my own I dont believe in what furor did I still dont think its right, I was in a casual guild know what its like on the othersie, I am just trying to change this for the health of the server nobody wants to sit there for 16 hours and click and spam to hopefully hand, its as bad as coth ducking for 16hours. #changetheringwar2021

[Ripqozko]

nah we good, move to resolved.

[Tethler]

Pretty sure the solution is to get a couple buddies to show up and constantly open trades with your competition.

[Fazlazen]

Zekay off his meds again?

[Zekayy]

Bump can we get this changed already?

[magnetaress]

how do they handle ring war on red99

[loramin]

It's almost like everyone in this thread doesn't care about what classic was like (ie. the entire point of this place) ... they just want to argue for whatever system will give them pixels fastest.

[Terrok]

Veto'd for lack of thought and raises more questions than it answers.

If you wanted it fair for everyone it would be rotated. And I will never own a ring 10.

[Endorra]

how do they handle ring war on red99

Made me smirk, +1

[imsorryGMs]

Nothing wrong with it.
Moved to resolved.

[reznor_]

+1 for a ringwar rotation

[Fammaden]

It's almost like everyone ON THIS FORUM doesn't care about what classic was like (ie. the entire point of this place) ... they just want to argue for whatever system will give them pixels fastest.

That's the vast majority of posts and threads that use "classic" as an argument. They are really just using it as an excuse to demand whatever benefits themselves the most.

[Croco]

It's almost like everyone in this thread doesn't care about what classic was like (ie. the entire point of this place) ... they just want to argue for whatever system will give them pixels fastest.

it's adorable that you think this server is in the universe of classic

[sydbarrett25]

Bump can we get this changed already?

[bradsamma]

For those of us who play with high pings, it is almost impossible to win a clickfest.

End the clickfest, just make it a random.

[Ripqozko]

nah, hope that helps.

[Swish]

does Catherin still play? Would love to hear their thoughts.

[Nirgon]

One day we will bury communism

[Terrok]

Freedom is currently recruiting.

Freedom.guild99.org

[sydbarrett25]

Have you seen my car anywhere?

[Zekayy]

#changetheringwar2021

[Samoht]

No, definitely not. This is a guild effort, not individual. Rolling would divide RW unevenly and skew to guilds based on population.

Rotation would be acceptable. Never rolling.

[Naethyn]

Winner has to loot Narandi head on win.

[Khikik]

sry your mom won't buy you the razer keyboard

So your admitting to violating rule 5?

5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule. In addition, any program that strictly reads log files is acceptable.

[feniin]

So your admitting to violating rule 5?

Do you think people are winning clickfests and lodizals without programmable keyboards/third party software? :confused:

[Swish]

This is sad indeed.

[pogs4ever]

The races are scripted too.

[Fammaden]

I hearby propose a Ringwar Rotation:

Week 1: Freedom

Week 2: Azure Guard

Week 3: repeat from beginning of rotation.

Hope this ends the clickfest madness.

[Nexii]

Do you think people are winning clickfests and lodizals without programmable keyboards/third party software? :confused:

Wasn't that why scout, ring8, angry goblin were turned into random rolloffs?

[Zekayy]

Rotate it atleast

[Zekayy]

Wasn't that why scout, ring8, angry goblin were turned into random rolloffs?

Yes because of autofire/keyboard programs finally we are getting somewhere this needs to change Nobody wants to sit there for 16 hours and do a click fest rotating it would be best or atleast change it in general

[Fammaden]

Lodi roll sounds good to me.

[Dugface]

Can GMs / box owners actually prove cheating or autofiring?

[Littul Jonn]

Can GMs / box owners actually prove cheating or autofiring?

Pretty sure there’s examples of this going back to Velious launch (as early as I remember seeing them at least) so I’m sure they don’t care. In my opinion if you’re doing any type of contested hand in without that type of program you’re wasting your time since you obviously won’t be banned for using them lol

[Toryas]

11111111111111111111

[xdrcfrx]

we missed the opportunity in October/November to fix ring war and make it not awful. Better luck next time, I guess.

[galach]

working on it.

[Daaz47]

Have you tried jumping as soon as he spawns hope this helps

[Zekayy]

Can GMs / box owners actually prove cheating or autofiring?

yes of course they can! thats how the scout roll got changed thats how the ring 8 roll got changed. and thats why people arent mages cothing anymore.

[Zekayy]

working on it.

hey thanks =)

[Nexii]

yes of course they can! thats how the scout roll got changed thats how the ring 8 roll got changed. and thats why people arent mages cothing anymore.

If it can be done with COTHing, then it can be done to get a jump with foot racing. A new competition paradigm needs to arise

[Arvan]

i won lodi without cheating hope this helps

[sydbarrett25]

Bump for posterity

[Grumph]

working on it.

Wow!

[Fammaden]

Next up: VT/VD for ench epic needs to be a roll/random!

[Grumph]

Next up: VT/VD for ench epic needs to be a roll/random!

Truer words never spoken!

[Arvan]

See my great proposal thread here https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=378712

[karadin]

hey thanks =)

You're going to start playing again now that you got your wish right?

[Gustoo]

Do you think people are winning clickfests and lodizals without programmable keyboards/third party software? :confused:

qft even though I haven't been there.

[Gustoo]

Can GMs / box owners actually prove cheating or autofiring?

Psycho Mantis could tell. Don't even think about using auto fire.