Green Monthly Open Raids Canceled

[Lostfaction]

Because the blue suspensions weren’t enough of a wake up call to deter server bullying by a zerg guild.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you dont got open raid pixels.

[zags]

Isn't that guild the one who sponsored the open raids and started doing them initially?

[conoutoftrol]

dang it there goes my hopes of getting that cool grey monk cloak during open warder raids

[Zipity]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17WI_sUowxDhVP7RRDuPg5iRoPl03ZDwabHnFLZ647no/mobilebasic

I believe this was the more than generous offer for top tier raid mobs on green that was shot down.

[matticas]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17WI_sUowxDhVP7RRDuPg5iRoPl03ZDwabHnFLZ647no/mobilebasic

I believe this was the more than generous offer for top tier raid mobs on green that was shot down.

Extremely generous, considering how much effort Seal Team puts into the game relative to the other guilds on green. Put in the work, reap the rewards.

Some people just can't abide this and will always insist on more freebies.

[Zipity]

Just for those bad at math that’s 9 open raid targets every 2 months after the first 30 days:
Month A: Vox, Naggy, VS, Talendor
Month B: Vox, Naggy, Gore, Sev, Faydedar.

I mean really?! This is legit a solid deal as far as the top guild giving away top priority IN-ERA targets every month that could easily just be locked down. It’s quite a sweet deal and should be re-thought by those who are so childishly demanding more

[kauvian]

Wait did Seal Team say they are taking all the raid targets? Or did the UN cancel open raids?

[LoganVivisected]

We all know the problem is the Trakanon target. No one on the server thinks that a rotated Trak will be viable for any raid force to rely on to get to VP. Guilds will have to win Traks to do that. Why Trak is important to rotate is it allows for things like the class specific BPs to be obtainable in era for players who don't have the means to raid like a 17 year old waiting to start college. The top guild(s) agreeing to provide that chance every month or two to the whole server doesn't seem like an unreasonable proposition. If we care about having a healthier server then I don't see what all the fuss is about. Especially when many of the open raid loot items are still won by top guilds anyway due to dice rolls. Denying Trak as part of the rotation is really just childish; more akin to a bully on the playground hoarding toys, than adults having fun with a bit of nostalgia.

[Zipity]

They stepped away from the UN - albeit in what they hope is a very temporary thing - so that the other guilds can see that infact, the grass is not greener on the other side. Seal team has been so vilainized by a few opposing guilds that they have seem to lost sight Of the top raid guild really doing their best part in keeping the server happy and More than fair opportunity at raid targets they choose not to be competitive for - all the while keeping its members happy and you know being the top competitive raid guild on the server. All-in-All they really have gone out of their way to be as cordial as possible to the casual guilds. Started the UN in hopes to have a better server relations than Blue(don’t see ANY hand me outs on that server), started the open raids, and Now tries to implement one a month cyclical rotated mobs for the server, only to have A few guilds‘ Leaders Get greedy and feel like they can press for more. If these guilds leaders spent half the time they did bickering in the UN and actually had practice sessions, FTE training, getting their entire raid force on the same page as to know what to do and when they would probably be getting more than the 9 free mobs every two months and be shutting this proposal down for their own personal gain reasons still...

[Fammaden]

We all know the problem is the Trakanon target. No one on the server thinks that a rotated Trak will be viable for any raid force to rely on to get to VP. Guilds will have to win Traks to do that. Why Trak is important to rotate is it allows for things like the class specific BPs to be obtainable in era for players who don't have the means to raid like a 17 year old waiting to start college. The top guild(s) agreeing to provide that chance every month or two to the whole server doesn't seem like an unreasonable proposition. If we care about having a healthier server then I don't see what all the fuss is about. Especially when many of the open raid loot items are still won by top guilds anyway due to dice rolls. Denying Trak as part of the rotation is really just childish; more akin to a bully on the playground hoarding toys, than adults having fun with a bit of nostalgia.

Just start hammering them with petitions, they'll be sure to follow suit, then K and ST will end up suspended like blue and Ven and BL will enjoy a couple weeks of free Trak/Gore/VS.

[kauvian]

So you want free loot? If the issue is you want to relive your 'childhood' memories without having to raid at inconvenient times why don't you go play TLP or god forbid Red?

If you're so worried about all the open raid loot going to the competitive guilds why don't you put forth some 'resolution' that only non competitive guilds can roll for loot at the open raids?

[LoganVivisected]

Just start hammering them with petitions, they'll be sure to follow suit, then K and ST will end up suspended like blue and Ven and BL will enjoy a couple weeks of free Trak/Gore/VS.

Honestly wouldn't break my heart; more time to get to 60 and level a lizard!

[Zipity]

We all know the problem is the Trakanon target. No one on the server thinks that a rotated Trak will be viable for any raid force to rely on to get to VP. Guilds will have to win Traks to do that. Why Trak is important to rotate is it allows for things like the class specific BPs to be obtainable in era for players who don't have the means to raid like a 17 year old waiting to start college. The top guild(s) agreeing to provide that chance every month or two to the whole server doesn't seem like an unreasonable proposition. If we care about having a healthier server then I don't see what all the fuss is about. Especially when many of the open raid loot items are still won by top guilds anyway due to dice rolls. Denying Trak as part of the rotation is really just childish; more akin to a bully on the playground hoarding toys, than adults having fun with a bit of nostalgia.

Compete for trak and win, or wait til Velious and I’m sure it will be a charity dragon then. The fact that anyone expects any 7D dragon to be rotated for no reason other than we can’t compete to win is silly, the toughest mobs in era have always been reserved for those that are willing to dig deep and compete. Maybe you should consider a guild swap if a class BP in the next 6 months is the most important thing to you.

[LoganVivisected]

So you want free loot? If the issue is you want to relive your 'childhood' memories without having to raid at inconvenient times why don't you go play TLP or god forbid Red?

If you're so worried about all the open raid loot going to the competitive guilds why don't you put forth some 'resolution' that only non competitive guilds can roll for loot at the open raids?

I have 7day gear on my toons, so no, not really worried about missing out. I just don't like bullies that throw a fit over potentially losing out on some pixels. Gotta feed that zerg though. It really doesn't make sense to not throw in a Trak rotation if everything else is kosher. It's just elitism.

Again it's not like King/Vene/BL or anyone else would be able to use the couple teeth from a rotated Trak to build up a VP force. Regular Traks would still need to be won.

[Scalem]

Extremely generous, considering how much effort Seal Team puts into the game relative to the other guilds on green. Put in the work, reap the rewards.

Some people just can't abide this and will always insist on more freebies.

Yea hard work for you guys to sit there all day drafting petition after petition

[nyclin]

sounds like seal team is scared of having to compete in VP

[reznor_]

“Feed the zerg”?

Do you guys forget that the green server teamed up to try and beat ST, who fielded like 60ish to most targets? Ok, now with Lineage we’re up to mid 90s.

But please don’t act like a server zerg wasn’t formed to try and unseat them, hypocrites.

ST puts in the work.

“Petition after petition”? What boogeyman story are your guild leaders feeding you?

As the consensus is, you want it easy? Go play on a TLP.

[Lostfaction]

Seal Team has a few dedicated neckbeards willing to stand on the line and are also no doubt the best FTE runners on the server. This wasn't enough though for them and they tactfully swallowed up a few guilds they previously dunked on and ridiculed and fought with in the UN to make sure they had a zerg force of warm bodies to perma-camp legacy items for the start of Kunark. ST doesnt care about sharing raid content. Green is also in a very different stage of life than blue and on track to be much more toxic in era.

[Ripqozko]

something something green is gonna be different. lol

[reznor_]

something something green is gonna be different. lol

I lol’ed.

Also, I miss the old Ramen

[Scalem]

“Feed the zerg”?

Do you guys forget that the green server teamed up to try and beat ST, who fielded like 60ish to most targets? Ok, now with Lineage we’re up to mid 90s.

But please don’t act like a server zerg wasn’t formed to try and unseat them, hypocrites.

ST puts in the work.

“Petition after petition”? What boogeyman story are your guild leaders feeding you?

As the consensus is, you want it easy? Go play on a TLP.

You guys are the first to run to the GM's the moment you even think you have been slighted in some way. No one can say ST doesn't put in the work. But don't sit here pretending you guys cry the moment you lose a target and deem you only lost it because someone broke the rules. Keep sipping that Kool-Aid.

[reznor_]

You guys are the first to run to the GM's the moment you even think you have been slighted in some way. No one can say ST doesn't put in the work. But don't sit here pretending you guys cry the moment you lose a target and deem you only lost it because someone broke the rules. Keep sipping that Kool-Aid.

Lol, I mean the UN is really a tit for tat kinda thing. We’ll see how things look in the coming weeks.

See ya in VP, maybe.

[Scalem]

Lol, I mean the UN is really a tit for tat kinda thing. We’ll see how things look in the coming weeks.

See ya in VP, maybe.

You'll never see me in VP because I don't play on p99 to no life raids. You guys are just the typical top guild that always exists on p99. You'll sit at the top denying others content in the name of "competition." You'll sit there drafting petition after petition and eventually the GM's get fed up and just ban the guild from raids. Enjoy your pixels while you can.

[Mendo]

something something green is gonna be different. lol

Sorry you don’t got GREEN warder loot

[drackgon]

man /popcorn. The lovely UN drama on green. Where all sides are for themselves clearly. I for one am glad not to be part it. Will say this is a very big Lineage? Move:)

[Clazxiss]

So you want free loot? If the issue is you want to relive your 'childhood' memories without having to raid at inconvenient times why don't you go play TLP or god forbid Red?

If you're so worried about all the open raid loot going to the competitive guilds why don't you put forth some 'resolution' that only non competitive guilds can roll for loot at the open raids?

Ahhh the red server only wants nice people, thanks. Keep your toxic raid suspended people to the blue server, thanks.

[adruidarkly]

Go play on a TLP.

Oh boy, this would be rich if everyone took this advice. So, what you're saying to the server population as a ST member is either play this server like a job because you don't have one in the first place, get fucked and eat ST's scraps, or go play a TLP. I suppose you can be so brazen as now you are able to jack off to your precious yellowtext messages without a server audience, seeing as there's enough drooling thralls to witness your excellence right within your own guild.

[Scalem]

Oh boy, this would be rich if everyone took this advice. So, what you're saying to the server population as a ST member is either play this server like a job because you don't have one in the first place, get fucked and eat ST's scraps, or go play a TLP. I suppose you can be so brazen as now you are able to jack off to your precious yellowtext messages without a server audience, seeing as there's enough drooling thralls to witness your excellence right within your own guild.

ST will catch a guild wide raid ban soon enough.

[strongNpretty]

Ahhh the red server only wants nice people, thanks. Keep your toxic raid suspended people to the blue server, thanks.

My experience on Red has been so friggin enjoyable. As a casual blue player for years, leaving behind an epic level 60 and numerous level 50's.. I haven't looked back in weeks. Thanks Clazxiss, i'm sure my future is doomed for many pvps deaths, but hey- at least im 1 more player on the server to kill!!

PS- Some really really good folks on red too. Most the server wants new folks, fresh blood, all that good stuff and they are willing to help, or hang! So ignore the trash talk on red you guys.

[Warling]

Its like everquest in its early stages was a pile of shit when it came to endgame content or something, dang.

[ClephNote]

We all know the problem is the Trakanon target. No one on the server thinks that a rotated Trak will be viable for any raid force to rely on to get to VP. Guilds will have to win Traks to do that. Why Trak is important to rotate is it allows for things like the class specific BPs to be obtainable in era for players who don't have the means to raid like a 17 year old waiting to start college. The top guild(s) agreeing to provide that chance every month or two to the whole server doesn't seem like an unreasonable proposition. If we care about having a healthier server then I don't see what all the fuss is about. Especially when many of the open raid loot items are still won by top guilds anyway due to dice rolls. Denying Trak as part of the rotation is really just childish; more akin to a bully on the playground hoarding toys, than adults having fun with a bit of nostalgia.

When did casuals getting more and more and more welfare loot become the metric by which we measure server toxicity?

Isn't what you are proposing readily available on a TLP server? Log on whenever you want, get your pixels. This is a single instance server, begging for scraps and trying to claim the moral highground is cringe.

[Hotel]

When did casuals getting more and more and more welfare loot become the metric by which we measure server toxicity?

Isn't what you are proposing readily available on a TLP server? Log on whenever you want, get your pixels. This is a single instance server, begging for scraps and trying to claim the moral highground is cringe.

[ClephNote]

ST doesnt care about sharing raid content.

Seal Team founded the UN, Open Raids, the rotation system.

ST doesn't care about sharing 7 day raid content? Correct. Everyone else is getting pretty fat and entitled on the current system though. It's kept Kingdom relevant far longer than it should have.

[Zipity]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17WI_sUowxDhVP7RRDuPg5iRoPl03ZDwabHnFLZ647no/mobilebasic

I believe this was the more than generous offer for top tier raid mobs on green that was shot down.

[matticas]

Wait did Seal Team say they are taking all the raid targets? Or did the UN cancel open raids?

No and no. Why would ST burn out their raid force taking classic targets right before Kunark releases? ST leadership actually asked to help lead open raids this week.

[Scalem]

Seal Team founded the UN, Open Raids, the rotation system.

ST doesn't care about sharing 7 day raid content? Correct. Everyone else is getting pretty fat and entitled on the current system though. It's kept Kingdom relevant far longer than it should have.

Only reason ST even suggested Open Raids was because they didn't like the Bag Limits idea that was being proposed. But sure keep on spinning!

No and no. Why would ST burn out their raid force taking classic targets right before Kunark releases? ST leadership actually asked to help lead open raids this week.

If by asked you mean said let us be a part of them or we will contest them all. Seal Team PR team out in full force today. Your guilds whole argument for leaving the UN is you don't like that a majority vote can overrule your guild. "we would like to see a unanimous vote required to pass legislation" aka if we don't like a rule we can just veto it effectively making the UN useless. I guess then it will at least resemble the real UN.

[sedrie.bellamie]

My experience on Red has been so friggin enjoyable. So ignore the trash talk on red you guys.

jesus shut the red server down

[Vill]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344710

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345984

When was the charity pixel bag limit proposal made?

Because even before these two examples was an open raid on Lord Nagafen.

Before you go on the internet and lie, at least feign interest in having your facts straight.

Only reason ST even suggested Open Raids was because they didn't like the Bag Limits idea that was being proposed. But sure keep on spinning!

[Scalem]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344710

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345984

When was the charity pixel bag limit proposal made?

Because even before these two examples was an open raid on Lord Nagafen.

Before you go on the internet and lie, at least feign interest in having your facts straight.

Kinda hard to link UN discord proposals on the forum. You know the place where most of this stuff gets discussed. Easier to do damage control on the forums though.

[Ripqozko]

This sounds totally different then blue.

[Vill]

Well, the answer to my question:

When was the charity pixel bag limit proposal made?

It was April 2020 for people who would rather deal in facts than baseless nonsense.

[Scalem]

This sounds totally different then blue.

Only difference between blue and green besides the available content. Is that a certain top guild hasn't caught a raid wide ban yet. Anyone who has been on p99 long enough knows it's only a of matter time.

[shuklak]

Just like the old saying goes,

Give them a mile and they'll complain about every inch!

[Clazxiss]

My experience on Red has been so friggin enjoyable. As a casual blue player for years, leaving behind an epic level 60 and numerous level 50's.. I haven't looked back in weeks. Thanks Clazxiss, i'm sure my future is doomed for many pvps deaths, but hey- at least im 1 more player on the server to kill!!

PS- Some really really good folks on red too. Most the server wants new folks, fresh blood, all that good stuff and they are willing to help, or hang! So ignore the trash talk on red you guys.

Definitely some good people on red, no doubt. When are we hanging in Cazic Thule again!?

[Endonde]

This sounds totally different then blue.

Someone actually did the math and found that Green has a higher rate of petitioning per mob than Blue does, they just only have like 5 raid targets. Green's going to be a shit show just like Blue once they have actual raid targets.

[Scalem]

Someone actually did the math and found that Green has a higher rate of petitioning per mob than Blue does, they just only have like 5 raid targets. Green's going to be a shit show just like Blue once they have actual raid targets.

Green already is a shit show. The GMs had to institute a /list for summon corpse of all fucking things. Every week there’s some infraction or some petition over one of the 7 day targets. This shit is just going to keep getting worse and worse.

[turbosilk]

Let's get real here. Only a guild led by at least one former Aftermath player can possibly understand how difficult the content is and actually defeat the content on Green. Literally no other guilds have the skill or the numbers.

It would be debatable if anyone else could possibly have the skill in 2020 and beyond but no other guilds do so no one else should dare think about doing any content. You can't fathom the skill and effort that has to go into the most technically demanding game like classic EQ.

[adruidarkly]

Seems to me like the time for charity loot is over. Time to get a taste for table scraps. The scent in the air is everyone is bout to see the depth of their shitsockedness. Get ready to ooh and aah at their might. You all asked for this when you didn’t agree with the content police’s demands. Now you’ll have to wait till Velious to do a Kunark raid. Sorry, you employed fuck, you lose!

[kaev]

Let's get real here. Only a guild led by at least one former Aftermath player can possibly understand how difficult the content is and actually defeat the content on Green. Literally no other guilds have the skill or the numbers.

It would be debatable if anyone else could possibly have the skill in 2020 and beyond but no other guilds do so no one else should dare think about doing any content. You can't fathom the skill and effort that has to go into the most technically demanding game like classic EQ.

[Dreenk317]

Compete for trak and win, or wait til Velious and I’m sure it will be a charity dragon then. The fact that anyone expects any 7D dragon to be rotated for no reason other than we can’t compete to win is silly, the toughest mobs in era have always been reserved for those that are willing to dig deep and compete. Maybe you should consider a guild swap if a class BP in the next 6 months is the most important thing to you.

Lol at Trak becoming a charity mob. Blue is how many years into velious, and trak still hotly contested.

[Arvan]

I don't play on green but heres a word of advice: Theres a reason the tryhard unemployeds are all perma banned over on blue right now - its because they measure their self worth by how well they do in a 30 year old elf sim. And yeah the top guild or whatever will try to deny the rest of the server of Trak/VP keys so they get locked out of the content. Really the only two options for you guys is find a diplomatic solution with them or study up on your elf law and race them - “top guild” playstyle of kill mob and ask questions later will eventually lead to them training you in which case you can get into a petition war. Both options not great but hey p99 - they agree to play fair/nice or you all play in the mud and subsequently overwork the gms

[Kief]

Turbo and Kaev pretty much nailing it. The super entitled uber nerd lord type of attitude is just so over the top it'd be embarrassing if it wasn't so autistic in nature.

I really wonder how many people when they log in to play are actually having fun as opposed to treating the game like a fricking job. I met maybe 4 or 5 really cool laid back folks on my brief stint with Green.

[adruidarkly]

Isn't that guild the one who sponsored the open raids and started doing them initially?

isn't that guild the one threatening them now with demands and backwards behavior and framing the rest of the guilds are the bad guys? they were always a pr stunt anyway, i guess

[Hotel]

I don't play on green but heres a word of advice: Theres a reason the tryhard unemployeds are all perma banned over on blue right now - its because they measure their self worth by how well they do in a 30 year old elf sim. And yeah the top guild or whatever will try to deny the rest of the server of Trak/VP keys so they get locked out of the content. Really the only two options for you guys is find a diplomatic solution with them or study up on your elf law and race them - “top guild” playstyle of kill mob and ask questions later will eventually lead to them training you in which case you can get into a petition war. Both options not great but hey p99 - they agree to play fair/nice or you all play in the mud and subsequently overwork the gms

talk about toxic

you think i measure my self worth via playing a videogame when in reality its just the most fun mmo out there

how can you not see that you are part of the problem

dumbass

[kjs86z]

Let's get real here. Only a guild led by at least one former Aftermath player can possibly understand how difficult the content is and actually defeat the content on Green. Literally no other guilds have the skill or the numbers.

It would be debatable if anyone else could possibly have the skill in 2020 and beyond but no other guilds do so no one else should dare think about doing any content. You can't fathom the skill and effort that has to go into the most technically demanding game like classic EQ.

lmao

[Vianna]

I have 7day gear on my toons, so no, not really worried about missing out. I just don't like bullies that throw a fit over potentially losing out on some pixels. Gotta feed that zerg though. It really doesn't make sense to not throw in a Trak rotation if everything else is kosher. It's just elitism.

Again it's not like King/Vene/BL or anyone else would be able to use the couple teeth from a rotated Trak to build up a VP force. Regular Traks would still need to be won.

You are just generalizing and upset. Their request and list is very fair. Go back and look at blue in that phase and you will clearly see that. It isn't about feeding a zerg it is about progression for a guild on a progressive server.

[Vianna]

Seal Team has a few dedicated neckbeards willing to stand on the line and are also no doubt the best FTE runners on the server. This wasn't enough though for them and they tactfully swallowed up a few guilds they previously dunked on and ridiculed and fought with in the UN to make sure they had a zerg force of warm bodies to perma-camp legacy items for the start of Kunark. ST doesnt care about sharing raid content. Green is also in a very different stage of life than blue and on track to be much more toxic in era.

Sounds like bullshit.

[Vianna]

Only reason ST even suggested Open Raids was because they didn't like the Bag Limits idea that was being proposed. But sure keep on spinning!



If by asked you mean said let us be a part of them or we will contest them all. Seal Team PR team out in full force today. Your guilds whole argument for leaving the UN is you don't like that a majority vote can overrule your guild. "we would like to see a unanimous vote required to pass legislation" aka if we don't like a rule we can just veto it effectively making the UN useless. I guess then it will at least resemble the real UN.

Nut up or shut up. Why would your guild have an equal voice if they can't equally compete ? Yes Classic EQ has always been about the have and have nots. Rotations were always formed by guilds of equal strength competing with each other back in the day. They were rarely server wide rotations between all guilds. What you (or other guilds in general) are proposing is just something that never happened in Classic EQ. The Top guilds always had the most say when it came to raiding. Those are the facts.

[Fammaden]

Nut up or shut up. Why would your guild have an equal voice if they can't equally compete ? Yes Classic EQ has always been about the have and have nots. Rotations were always formed by guilds of equal strength competing with each other back in the day. They were rarely server wide rotations between all guilds. What you (or other guilds in general) are proposing is just something that never happened in Classic EQ. The Top guilds always had the most say when it came to raiding. Those are the facts.

So then ST would certainly be amenable to a 50/50 rotation with Kingdom only to the exclusion of all the casual UN guilds right?

[Hotel]

So then ST would certainly be amenable to a 50/50 rotation with Kingdom only to the exclusion of all the casual UN guilds right?

sounds like st rotation

[Vianna]

So then ST would certainly be amenable to a 50/50 rotation with Kingdom only to the exclusion of all the casual UN guilds right?

I highly doubt Kingdom is on their level. Compete and find out.

[Fammaden]

I highly doubt Kingdom is on their level. Compete and find out.

What level is that? Kingdom has killed every target in the raid scene in direct race competition with ST more than once, and not only with alliance but as a solo guild.

[Vianna]

What level is that? Kingdom has killed every target in the raid scene in direct race competition with ST more than once, and not only with alliance but as a solo guild.

For 4 raid targets that are easy to cover in the expansion. When 4 raid targets becomes 15 in Kunark I highly doubt their kill rate grows. Sure they can pick off 2 or 3 targets a week. But will they be able to compete at all hours and cover all targets ? Doesn't seem likely as an outsider looking in. They seem to get carried more by the goodwill of ST than on their own merit.

[turbosilk]

I highly doubt Kingdom is on their level. Compete and find out.

Vianna is right. No other guild on Green has the top level skill required to kill the raid bosses. Others can't fathom the skill required. Vianna gets it.

[turbosilk]

For 4 raid targets that are easy to cover in the expansion. When 4 raid targets becomes 15 in Kunark I highly doubt their kill rate grows. Sure they can pick off 2 or 3 targets a week. But will they be able to compete at all hours and cover all targets ? Doesn't seem likely as an outsider looking in. They seem to get carried more by the goodwill of ST than on their own merit.

I forgot to factor in that being able to log in in a moments notice for a raid target is one of the top elite skills. Only those lacking P99 skill can't do that.

[Vianna]

Vianna is right. No other guild on Green has the top level skill required to kill the raid bosses. Others can't fathom the skill required. Vianna gets it.

There is a difference between killing a raid mob and competing for a raid mob. Killing a raid target is the easy part. Being available when the mob spawns and having the guild resources to track all targets and kill the mobs quickly sometimes with unideal compositions is a skill that some Guilds have and some don't.

[Vianna]

I forgot to factor in that being able to log in in a moments notice for a raid target is one of the top elite skills. Only those lacking P99 skill can't do that.

Able to log in for targets on P99 is indeed part of the equation. It always was in Classic EQ as well. You are playing on a classic EQ server.

[Fammaden]

Dem skillz doe.

[Tuljin]

~~~~~~~sKiLLz~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~rAiDeRs~~~~~~~~~~

[turbosilk]

~~~~~~~sKiLLz~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~rAiDeRs~~~~~~~~~~

1333337 sKiLLzzzzzzzzzzz lolol

[Jauna]

Reserve teeth, problem fixed.

[Vianna]

Dem skillz doe.

EQ is not a skill game. It is a time investment game. Playing your character competently helps a lot and knowing mechanics helps a lot. Also being available to log in for spawns and execute when mobs spawn helps a lot. Sorry that your side of the argument wants something that was introduced in later expansions of EQ. Instancing.

[turbosilk]

EQ is not a skill game. It is a time investment game. Playing your character competently helps a lot and knowing mechanics helps a lot. Also being available to log in for spawns and execute when mobs spawn helps a lot. Sorry that your side of the argument wants something that was introduced in later expansions of EQ. Instancing.

Thank you for admitting being a top raid guild isn't about skill in a 20 year old elf sim. Now the conversation can progress.

Here is where you state that because people that need help are will to do literally anything to get pixels means they deserve them. And that this isn't the reason why the mega suspension happened on Blue and ST just got another suspension.

[Vianna]

Thank you for admitting being a top raid guild isn't about skill in a 20 year old elf sim. Now the conversation can progress.

Here is where you state that because people that need help are will to do literally anything to get pixels means they deserve them. And that this isn't the reason why the mega suspension happened on Blue and ST just got another suspension.

No. Your argument fails. A guild in Classic EQ does require investment of time and effort for their pixels. If guilds aren't willing to invest the time and effort for those things then they can simply wait until Velious when less effort will be focused on the things they desire. Or they could accept a very reasonable Open Raid agreement that the Top Guild on the server has already offered them.

[turbosilk]

No. Your argument fails. A guild in Classic EQ does require investment of time and effort for their pixels. If guilds aren't willing to invest the time and effort for those things then they can simply wait until Velious when less effort will be focused on the things they desire. Or they could accept a very reasonable Open Raid agreement that the Top Guild on the server has already offered them.

My logic is sound. But there are those who have no lives and the associated issues with that that truly believe it makes sense to be able to get on to raid at a moments notice 24/7 in a 20 year old elf sim. And that whoever can poopsock the most is actually a winner.

Sorry it's not sinking in why the suspensions have been occurring non-stop over the last 5 years. I'm pulling for Galach to help the sick by getting them out of the game or within a framework where they no longer have to be sick and can get help.

[Ripqozko]

I have faith Green server raiding in Kunark + Velious will be less drama compared to Blue.

This didnt age well

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

The part I find funny in this entire conversation is top live guilds at this point did not have the resources or want to fight over targets at all times of the night... even top 10 serverwide guilds raided at prime time every night... yqll keep using live guilds as comparison and its nowhere near the same... and thats coming from a 1%er of live raiders

[Tuljin]

The part I find funny in this entire conversation is top live guilds at this point did not have the resources or want to fight over targets at all times of the night... even top 10 serverwide guilds raided at prime time every night... yqll keep using live guilds as comparison and its nowhere near the same... and thats coming from a 1%er of live raiders

[Scalem]

The part I find funny in this entire conversation is top live guilds at this point did not have the resources or want to fight over targets at all times of the night... even top 10 serverwide guilds raided at prime time every night... yqll keep using live guilds as comparison and its nowhere near the same... and thats coming from a 1%er of live raiders

I remember targets being up for days at a time back on live.

[billcrystals]

^ this. Of all the differences between actual 1999 EverQuest and P99, the raid scene seems like the most unrecognizable. And yet people, especially aligned with the status quo of the server, want to point to this imagined version of actual 1999 EQ as some appeal to authority that gives them free reign to behave like greedy children. Always been baffling to me.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

^ this. Of all the differences between actual 1999 EverQuest and P99, the raid scene seems like the most unrecognizable. And yet people, especially aligned with the status quo of the server, want to point to this imagined version of actual 1999 EQ as some appeal to authority that gives them free reign to behave like greedy children. Always been baffling to me.

I honestly think it stems from 99% of the p99 raid force having 0 fucking idea of what live raiding was actually like.

[Fammaden]

This didnt age well

Well Kunark still hasn't started so there's a chance for everything to do a 180 and be super chill and relaxing after this week.

[Scalem]

I honestly think it stems from 99% of the p99 raid force having 0 fucking idea of what live raiding was actually like.

Some of the people on p99 weren't even alive or old enough to actually play classic EQ.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Some of the people on p99 weren't even alive or old enough to actually play classic EQ.

The last week on blue has been the closest to live EverQuest as p99 has ever came... its been the best time to be on the server

[turbosilk]

The last week on blue has been the closest to live EverQuest as p99 has ever came... its been the best time to be on the server

This speaks volumes towards solutions. The solution may already be in place.

[Tuljin]

I honestly think it stems from 99% of the p99 raid force having 0 fucking idea of what live raiding was actually like.

Also 99% of the green ~~~rAiD~~~ force joined Blue after Velious dropped and became ~~~~~~~~~~~rAiDeRs~~~~~~~~~~~ to them that shitshow -is- EQ

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

This speaks volumes towards solutions. The solution may already be in place.

Its not a solution honestly... the situation is only temporary and as soon as the "hardcore" guilds are unbanned blue will be right back to being the way it was in a couple of weeks... the problem p99 faces is the neckbeards have tried to turn an MMO into an esport.. and EverQuest was never designed to be played this way

[hewopepweow]

Theres two ways to view this game:

One is that its a museum to a piece of gaming history, and our personal history as well. A chance to celebrate what was and where we came from with people who shared the same path as ourselves.

The other is a midlife crisis style chance to relive lost dreams of being a 'competitive' gamer in a game that makes classic wow look mechanically difficult by comparison.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

One of those views attracts and keeps players..
One of those views drives them away over time... ill let you decide which does which

[Plaguu~]

I'd wager 90% of the top raid forces are simply playing out of spite for the other side these days. Imagine playing on a server where everyone hates you and wishes you would leave. What Menden did for blue is amazing. Can't get along? Get out.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I'd wager 90% of the top raid forces are simply playing out of spite for the other side these days. Imagine playing on a server where everyone hates you and wishes you would leave. What Menden did for blue is amazing. Can't get along? Get out.

This is honestly the reality of blue...I just hope it stays

[Coridan]

I remember targets being up for days at a time back on live.


Because there were 40 servers on live and the same amount of jeckbeards as there are on P99, so they were spread out more. Servers didn't have Seal Team guilds with that many no lifers in .

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Because there were 40 servers on live and the same amount of jeckbeards as there are on P99, so they were spread out more. Servers didn't have Seal Team guilds with that many no lifers in .

Each server had a seal team...but even the no lifers of classic EQ didn't allow their lives to be ran by a game.

[OuterChimp]

I remember fondly, playing back then in my 20s/30s. Now here we all 20 years later, which I think would make most of us in our 40s or older....and this stuff still goes on. Yikes my dudes.

WTB SOW pot PST send tells please.

[turbosilk]

Each server had a seal team...but even the no lifers of classic EQ didn't allow their lives to be ran by a game.

Exactly. I was in a top raid guild. You went after the targets that were up during our raid schedule during the which was 6 PM to 12 AM ET during. Being a ton younger then we still understood balance. If a Euro or Pacific guild got a target during the week then that's how it worked out.

I'm not sure when encouraging broken people to get more broken began.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Exactly. I was in a top raid guild. You went after the targets that were up during our raid schedule during the which was 6 PM to 12 AM ET during. Being a ton younger then we still understood balance. If a Euro or Pacific guild got a target during the week then that's how it worked out.

I'm not sure when encouraging broken people to get more broken began.

Same we followed the same raid schedule... 6pm-done... every day but friday... they are still on that schedule ( and still top 5) to this day

[YendorLootmonkey]

So, let me understand... if we rotate targets, that's called welfare pixels because of the lack of competition. This concept goes against everything the hardcore raiders are for... they have been pounding their chests and screaming that guilds need to compete for their pixels. Again. Just like we did on Blue. Just like we will be doing in 2050 when Mauve server opens and these neckbeards are logging in their army of level 52 alts from their deathbeds to deny us Naggy kills in late Velious to make sure we don't get any of their pixels.

Yet the goal of them locking down Trak as much as possible is that so they have no competition in VP... wouldn't that be basically free handouts as well?

Or locking down first brood dragons in Velious so they have no competition in ST... isn't that basically welfare pixels due to lack of competition?

Folks, this isn't "you want pixels, then you should compete!", this is "you want pixels, how dare you?!" Don't be fooled.

Always has been.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Top guilds never want competition... they want to rule a server... we saw the same thing on live during kunark when verant opened more servers up and guilds fled like rats to new servers so they would be top dog

[conoutoftrol]

So, let me understand... if we rotate targets, that's called welfare pixels because of the lack of competition. This concept goes against everything the hardcore raiders are for... they have been pounding their chests and screaming that guilds need to compete for their pixels. Again. Just like we did on Blue. Just like we will be doing in 2050 when Mauve server opens and these neckbeards are logging in their army of level 52 alts from their deathbeds to deny us Naggy kills in late Velious to make sure we don't get any of their pixels.

Yet the goal of them locking down Trak as much as possible is that so they have no competition in VP... wouldn't that be basically free handouts as well?

Or locking down first brood dragons in Velious so they have no competition in ST... isn't that basically welfare pixels due to lack of competition?

Folks, this isn't "you want pixels, then you should compete!", this is "you want pixels, how dare you?!" Don't be fooled.

Always has been.

I can't wait to be old enough to qualify for the Seal Team Assisted Living Facility

3 top ramens per day
hot pockets on friday
dkp bingo weekly
nurse to change poop dish

[Levlenna]

No idea what this is all about. I am in a no raiding guild, we are just casual grouping together. However I went to an open Fear raid and I won the Shaman belt. which I am very thankful for. Thank you again for who organised this!

[LegendZapp]

First off I'd like to say, lots of really great people in ST, and I have many friends in the guild. Secondly I'd like to say, a lot of the outspoken members have some major ego issues and thrive on trolling other people, and that speaks for anyone in the guild when your members act that way.

It's funny to me that the ST mega-zerg force is so large now, and yet they all claim they still want competition. Lol, the hypocrisy is real. You don't want competition, stop lying, you want an empire. It's very bad for the server long-term. Do the bottom 60% of ST not realize they won't be getting the items on their list for a long time, if ever? It's like a pyramid scheme where all the riches will flow to the top 40% of the guild members, this seems obvious.

ST claims they want competition, then they leech/poach highly skilled members from the other major guilds. Their mega-zerg force is 2-3x as much as the next biggest guild. .

I predict ST will eventually they'll break off into an elite guild of their mega geared top 40%, and leave the 60% mildly geared people as a sister guild with no power that will dissolve. If your RA is less than 50%, be warned, you'll only be getting scraps.

[Phatez]

Fake news!
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370747

[Local]

The real competition is who has the least adult responsibilities. Winning is an indication of anything but success.

[shuklak]

The real competition is who has the least adult responsibilities. Winning is an indication of anything but success.

Says the non-bitcoin expert.

Sorry, but I'm raiding from my corner office in the New York Stock Exchange.

[Nuggie]

young doctor alert

[strongNpretty]

Definitely some good people on red, no doubt. When are we hanging in Cazic Thule again!?

Haha not long ago, a nice druid was trying to help me in there and i got him killed on accident.. Long story short, i paid all the money i had for his rez, so now im back grinding out money, not exp... I'm down friday-sunday!!!!!!! Let me know when dude!!! Had a blast last time!

[eezl]

Hotel seems like the scummiest douchebag I've luckily never had to meet. Whew!

[Ravager]

And so turns the Wheel of Time.

[turbosilk]

Ever see a guild run by a sociopath in action?