Reading UN channel, whos the villian?

[mattmanbass]

So whos the asshole? Riot, freedom, ag? Grab your flamethrowers, strap in and rip these motherfuckers a new one. Discuss!

[kaizersoze]

Freedom, easily spotted.

The irony of Detoxx saying it doesnt matter what Kittens wnats if RIot gets its way, when theyre advocating for rules that help kittens, who has killed more targets than Freedom, was amazing. Especially when they're going to dump their "useless" members and AG if they get their long lockouts for suicide cart.

[Akg49]

Honestly Galach. He's not allowing people to just... discuss, and hes actively trying to keep have the server's raid guilds from 1. crafting base server raid rules, and 2. not letting them have an equal vote on the passing of these raid rules, or 3. even take part in these discussions.

Very surprising behavior for a server guide. I think Menden, and maybe even his superiors, will need to step in if partiality is not going to be granted, and legit p99 blue raid guilds are going to be left out of the decision making process.

The idea that just because the 3 most toxic guilds are the ones that need to work things out between themselves that means that guilds like Kittens, TSS, AEGIS, and others (who have raided here for many years) are not allowed their say or vote is disturbing to say the least.

[feniin]

Freedom, at one point this morning, ganged on on Keerarae, who is one of the nicest people on the server, because she asked them to clarify something from their crayon scribble proposal. Like 6 of them piled on and then had the audacity to say they should limit the speakers in the UN to 2.

Freedom is led and represented by the trashiest of toxic people.

[Akg49]

and I'm not afraid to say that. If they consider this staff bashing then I am happy going to another server. I've been here for many years, and I've seen some things, but as we've seen with past staff, there comes a time for accountability.

[Bardp1999]

and I'm not afraid to say that. If they consider this staff bashing then I am happy going to another server. I've been here for many years, and I've seen some things, but as we've seen with past staff, there comes a time for accountability.

Thank you for your bravery Akg49, you are a light in the dark pit of online gaming, truly heroic stuff you are doing here

[Daloon]

I glanced at the UN but lost interest when GMs said we cant have any rotations (since when?) right off the bat and then had to give/decline people permission for something as simple as corpsing their own Sky keys. I've never seen such end-game mingling and involvement from staff in a video game in my life.

Don't need fairytales thinking you can make a competitive open world game petition-free with 340 people standing on top of each other waiting for once-a-week spawns.

The way this server and the rules are defined makes for a petition-quest server if you want to compete at the highest level. This server isnt new.

Smaller guilds get their seasonal Vulaks' again though, congrats.

[Tunabros]

its leaning towards freedom it seems like

but everyone is a villain if they can't get along

[N0tClassic]

I glanced at the UN but lost interest when GMs said we cant have any rotations (since when?) right off the bat and then had to give/decline people permission for something as simple as corpsing their own Sky keys. I've never seen such end-game mingling and involvement from staff in a video game in my life.

Don't need fairytales thinking you can make a competitive open world game petition-free with 340 people standing on top of each other waiting for once-a-week spawns.

The way this server and the rules are defined makes for a petition-quest server if you want to compete at the highest level. This server isnt new.

Smaller guilds get their seasonal Vulaks' again though, congrats.

You got warder loot though so why are you whining

You made the bed. Sleep in it.

[Naonak]

Easily Freedom being the most toxic guild in the UN channel. AG sitting back using their puppets do the dirty work. They are like a pack of wild dogs. Thinking they can gang up on individual speakers to try and silence them.

Can see why 3 guilds got banned. FRAG are just 1 guild, but now want a to be separate for voting. It's is funny. Every time AM/AM2.0/Guild/RnG/Ghost/Ghxst and now Freedom start and enter the raiding scene, rule breaking and petitions get out of hand and GM just ban 3 guilds, instead of resolving the issues. Which are still the same issues now.

You can break server rules only if it's a minor violation. And Freedom wins the target. Imagine the toxic behavior in DM/tells with those officers. If Freedom wins the encounter, they never respond to tells, but if they loose, DM/tells/auction/ooc/shouts etc etc.

Kittens kill more targets solo than Freedom, but have no say.

It's a shame Galach doesn't allow or want all guilds to have a input on the future of the blue server raiding scene, but stated he will enforce all server rule changes on all casual guilds.

[Argh]

If they want to limit the number of petitions why not actually limit the number of petitions a guild can file? Make it like challenge flags in football. Limited to a certain number, and if you're correct you get another.

[kaizersoze]

If they want to limit the number of petitions why not actually limit the number of petitions a guild can file? Make it like challenge flags in football. Limited to a certain number, and if you're correct you get another.

Or do much harsher penalties. Like a 1 week / 2 week full out raid suspension and loot deletion. People will be on their best behavior then.

[Ripqozko]

Bring back the fap forums instead of UN channel, kunark era returns.

[Woke Locc]

The dorkus trying to blame staff for stupid player drama is the villain

[shuklak]

Obligatory, this doesn't happen on red.

[Naonak]

If they want to limit the number of petitions why not actually limit the number of petitions a guild can file? Make it like challenge flags in football. Limited to a certain number, and if you're correct you get another.

Talking about American Football? That yellow flag is thrown around like a used condom every other play from what I have seen.

[Woke Locc]

Talking about American Football? That yellow flag is thrown around like a used condom every other play from what I have seen.

Challenge flag is red. You get 2 and if you win both, a 3rd. Dunno after that.

[bktroost]

If they want to limit the number of petitions why not actually limit the number of petitions a guild can file? Make it like challenge flags in football. Limited to a certain number, and if you're correct you get another.

Whoa... that's actual brilliant.

[Psyborg]

Or do much harsher penalties. Like a 1 week / 2 week full out raid suspension and loot deletion. People will be on their best behavior then.

Freedom wants this. Your own guild (Riot) does not.

[Psyborg]

Freedom, at one point this morning, ganged on on Keerarae, who is one of the nicest people on the server, because she asked them to clarify something from their crayon scribble proposal. Like 6 of them piled on and then had the audacity to say they should limit the speakers in the UN to 2.

Freedom is led and represented by the trashiest of toxic people.

I can understand why you feel that way, but the last thing that channel needs is more voices that don't actually need to be there. I also think Keerarae is a nice, good person, but so is most of my guild but I don't want them in there asking for clarifications and questions either. If you have something you want clarified let a rep from your guild know. Nobody was outright mean to Keer.

[Nexii]

Nice people don't belong in the UN.

[SantagarBrax]

Honestly Galach. He's not allowing people to just... discuss, and hes actively trying to keep have the server's raid guilds from 1. crafting base server raid rules, and 2. not letting them have an equal vote on the passing of these raid rules, or 3. even take part in these discussions.

Very surprising behavior for a server guide. I think Menden, and maybe even his superiors, will need to step in if partiality is not going to be granted, and legit p99 blue raid guilds are going to be left out of the decision making process.

The idea that just because the 3 most toxic guilds are the ones that need to work things out between themselves that means that guilds like Kittens, TSS, AEGIS, and others (who have raided here for many years) are not allowed their say or vote is disturbing to say the least.

[Naonak]

Doesn't Freedom have the most unneeded voices in the UN?

[Psyborg]

Doesn't Freedom have the most unneeded voices in the UN?

Freedom, per our own proposal, has agreed to limit our speakers in UN. It's one of the reasons I will no longer be participating. Thank goodness too, the fewer the better.

[SantagarBrax]

Whenever there is an authority figure absent, people will continue to push the envelope to see what they can get away with, just like children do when their parents are out of town for the weekend or insert obvious analogy <here>.

Blue was abandoned at Green launch for more than half a year with virtually no GM's around. A rivalry formed within Riot and those folks chose to leave with their mission statement being "take Riot out".

So began the game of skullfuckery. The pattern of escalation was clear, the blatant disregard for server rules was clear, the mentality of wanting to go back in time to the "Golden Girls" age was upon us: "Fraps or it didn't happen", training everything in NToV, "FTE Locks please", and "Unroot Dragons, it'll solve everything!" all the while lacking the intestinal fortitude to admit when you or your members performed a blatant violation against the well established rules or acting naive when it suited your purposes, let alone showing some integrity or class.

At what point did a GM say to himself, "maybe I should get a handle on this situation as the sheer amount of petitions flowing in is multiplying exponentially"? What course of action was decided upon to attempt to rewind this doomsday clock?

One pop into NToV during a cycle and one can easily see for yourself what's going on and this behavior could have been significantly reined in and squashed with some authority, yet, it never happened. Why not? It's in the best interest of the GM's to establish authority. Those couple of hours investment could have saved you 100 hours of reading petitions or having 400 people arriving at this foreseeable scenario with no end in sight.

Establish presence, set the tone and reinforce well established precedents or make new ones, not "handle it yourselves". You seriously want people with obvious animosity and ongoing disrespect towards one another to "figure it out"? That's like asking the Iranians to accept the Jewish state of Israel.

This was not good leadership on display here. At what point will someone with some authority step in and take charge of the situation? Its what's needed. You wanted to be in charge, Take Charge and usher in a new era of end game raiding on Blue that will be your legacy.

[Akg49]

#BringBackSirken

[Viscere]

Itt : salty Criots pointing fingers at freedom with toxic comments

You couldn't help to get baited lol

[Zoggren]

The only people who think that Kittens is in a tier with Freedom are people who don't raid, or delusional Kittens who will probably jump to Riot soon. If you're such a great raiding guild where have you been the last year and a half? My respect for Kittens dwindles. You're not competition yet. When you have the ability to compete for mobs, and those mobs will be Riot's, we'll see how deep your relationship is with that guild.

I see that Riot is Petyr Baylish in this fight. Playing the victim against a man they have continually slandered as a habitual rule breaker, Detoxx, just to manipulate anyone, to get an edge in negotiations. You want rotations when it benefits you in areas that you were weak against the F/AG alliance, you want to break up the F/AG alliance because you hate how it has kicked your ass. You want rule changes to end tactics that allowed us to take mobs from you. If you can't negotiate this, you'd rather stall negotiations, all the while claiming it is Freedoms fault. I think the staff and everyone else but Kittens sees right through this, it's so obvious. It seems weird that a person with such high raid attendance suddenly has something happening irl. Getting sanctimonious about it is par for course for all the speakers I have seen from Riot.

Before I read the UN I might have agreed with Riot's assessment on many things about Freedom and Detoxx, but now that you have exposed yourself and your angle, I think I'd rather deal with a server ruleset decided by Detoxx than anything decided by Riot.

The GM's said in there statement that the petitions were a "waste of time", and some of those, in fact most of those

[Akg49]

My respect for Kittens dwindles.

That's rich lol. How are you guys this delusional? You do know Freedom are about as popular around the server as Covid-19, right? I wouldn't bring up respect :P

I really feel for Freedom members. Seriously, it sucks that you are dragged along with Detoxx/Furoar. I know a good number of ex-ghxst people and ex-AM and I know 99% of you are cool people. Guess we'll see in a month or two, the question then will be "all we really gained was one warrior, was it worth it?"

[Nuggie]

Thank goodness too, the fewer the better.

The Green UN was much more efficient when it was two(or less) per guild. The more voices the more b.s. happens. Less people making noise makes for less to keep up on. The opposite is also true.

Who watches CSPAN to make sure elected representatives are behaving? Anyone?

[feniin]

How many Vulaks and Vyemms have Freedom killed this year? Zero.

[Zoggren]

That's rich lol. How are you guys this delusional? You do know Freedom are about as popular around the server as Covid-19, right? I wouldn't bring up respect :P

I really feel for Freedom members. Seriously, it sucks that you are dragged along with Detoxx/Furoar. I know a good number of ex-ghxst people and ex-AM and I know 99% of you are cool people. Guess we'll see in a month or two, the question then will be "all we really gained was one warrior, was it worth it?"

Half this server still thinks that Covid is a hoax by the Democrats, so I don't get the analogy. Nice care troll for the Freedom members though, but I'm sure they are just fine enjoying their Vulak and inner ring ToV loots that used to be completely the realm of Riot. It sucks to share. I guess equality to some people feels like oppression, when you had such a run of the place.

[sydbarrett25]

Freedom, easily spotted.

The irony of Detoxx saying it doesnt matter what Kittens wnats if RIot gets its way, when theyre advocating for rules that help kittens, who has killed more targets than Freedom, was amazing. Especially when they're going to dump their "useless" members and AG if they get their long lockouts for suicide cart.

[sobchakdude]

Half this server still thinks that Covid is a hoax by the Democrats

Democrats are just dumb for falling for it

[Akg49]

Half this server still thinks that Covid is a hoax by the Democrats, so I don't get the analogy. Nice care troll for the Freedom members though, but I'm sure they are just fine enjoying their Vulak and inner ring ToV loots that used to be completely the realm of Riot. It sucks to share. I guess equality to some people feels like oppression, when you had such a run of the place.

rofl you just made the analogy even stronger.

Idk how you can remark that last part about Riot though, they literally put in a 1:1:1 rotation proposal for every mob in the game, and it was shot down by Freedom haha

Meanwhile Detoxx/Furoar push races that have demonstrably been excluding the smaller guilds.

[Psyborg]

rofl you just made the analogy even stronger.

Idk how you can remark that last part about Riot though, they literally put in a 1:1:1 rotation proposal for every mob in the game, and it was shot down by Freedom haha

Meanwhile Detoxx/Furoar push races that have demonstrably been excluding the smaller guilds.

Do you earnestly believe that raiding on P99 is going to be fun when content is fully rotated? Sorry man, but that just doesn't sound fun to us. That doesn't make us some evil entity.

[Croco]

Do you earnestly believe that raiding on P99 is going to be fun when content is fully rotated? Sorry man, but that just doesn't sound fun to us. That doesn't make us some evil entity.

Yes. Most people don't get off on denying others from getting pixels. Most people realize that their accomplishments and loot aren't diminished when someone else is also able to accomplish or loot the same thing.

If you all really loved and thrived on competition as much as you claim to you'd ask the GM's to put you all over on red so you can truly compete.

Removing the 50 some odd people from the server that splooge their pants at the thought of being able to take loots from other people would be such a huge net positive for the server it's impossible to calculate it's positive impact.

[sydbarrett25]

Do you earnestly believe that raiding on P99 is going to be fun when content is fully rotated? Sorry man, but that just doesn't sound fun to us. That doesn't make us some evil entity.

Exactly, needs to be a mix

[Psyborg]

Yes. Most people don't get off on denying others from getting pixels. Most people realize that their accomplishments and loot aren't diminished when someone else is also able to accomplish or loot the same thing.

If you all really loved and thrived on competition as much as you claim to you'd ask the GM's to put you all over on red so you can truly compete.

Removing the 50 some odd people from the server that splooge their pants at the thought of being able to take loots from other people would be such a huge net positive for the server it's impossible to calculate it's positive impact.

Every person on this server has the ability to raid if that is what interests them. There are multiple tiers to raid at, everyone has their niche. I can appreciate that you think this will be some EQ paradise if you can just waltz into TOV every 4 weeks and get free gear but if you care so much about that gear then why not just come have some fun and compete for it?

[Akg49]

Every person on this server has the ability to raid if that is what interests them. There are multiple tiers to raid at, everyone has their niche. I can appreciate that you think this will be some EQ paradise if you can just waltz into TOV every 4 weeks and get free gear but if you care so much about that gear then why not just come have some fun and compete for it?

Same could be said for you. Why hide behind AG, why not try to get some actual solo kills like Kittens?

[feniin]

Same could be said for you. Why hide behind AG, why not try to get some actual solo kills like Kittens?

Freedom #4? 5? TSS has more solo ToV kills this year.

[Psyborg]

Same could be said for you. Why hide behind AG, why not try to get some actual solo kills like Kittens?

You guys have such a hard on for raiding alliances. I’d love to hear what choice words you have for Aegis and company. Such a weird reason to be salty.

[Zoggren]

Dude is still so serious about Kittens.

[Akg49]

You guys have such a hard on for raiding alliances. I’d love to hear what choice words you have for Aegis and company. Such a weird reason to be salty.

Aegis are cool, they aren't trying to act like they are the raid gods of p99 :D

[Zoggren]

I never knew how deeply Riot hated competition until we started taking their mobs from them. I never knew they would stoop to such underhanded tactics as exaggerated petitions and rules lawyering like they did. They always seemed so fair when they utterly dominated.
Never again. Freedom and Azure Guard may get sick of each other and our alliance sometimes, but what keeps us together is a shared goal of ending the control of end game raiding by Riot. If we do it together or separately, it doesn't matter. Riot will never, ever have the server like they did. This alliance only ends when it becomes unnecessary. Take note Riot members and leadership.

[Asteria]

Who let all the sinpletons outta the asylums?

[feniin]

I never knew how deeply Riot hated competition until we started taking their mobs from them. I never knew they would stoop to such underhanded tactics as exaggerated petitions and rules lawyering like they did. They always seemed so fair when they utterly dominated.
Never again. Freedom and Azure Guard may get sick of each other and our alliance sometimes, but what keeps us together is a shared goal of ending the control of end game raiding by Riot. If we do it together or separately, it doesn't matter. Riot will never, ever have the server like they did. This alliance only ends when it becomes unnecessary. Take note Riot members and leadership.yikes. Maybe stretch your legs, take a breather, re-up the prescription for your insulin. It's just a game.

[saftbudet]

The answer to whos the Villan is: Detoxx

It is no coincidece top3 guilds get banned + increasing hate is followed by his return. I am suprised that the Gms do not see this.

[Viscere]

3 guilds are banned

1 leader is the villain !

You logic sucks just as bad as your sodium levels kek

[Zoggren]

yikes. Maybe stretch your legs, take a breather, re-up the prescription for your insulin. It's just a game.


Maybe stop ad-hom attacks.

[Solist]

Read through 3 months worth of the grandstanding and whiteknighting by riot. Noone sound of mind could be comfortable with their leadership acting that way.

Now it's all public, they all disapear.

[Viscere]

Not all, some of their freeloaders remain in here for entertainment purposes

[Hotel]

riots leadership is becoming absent and leaving their posts

we may actually get a resolution soon!

[kaizersoze]

The only people who think that Kittens is in a tier with Freedom are people who don't raid, or delusional Kittens who will probably jump to Riot soon. If you're such a great raiding guild where have you been the last year and a half? My respect for Kittens dwindles. You're not competition yet. When you have the ability to compete for mobs, and those mobs will be Riot's, we'll see how deep your relationship is with that guild.

I see that Riot is Petyr Baylish in this fight. Playing the victim against a man they have continually slandered as a habitual rule breaker, Detoxx, just to manipulate anyone, to get an edge in negotiations. You want rotations when it benefits you in areas that you were weak against the F/AG alliance, you want to break up the F/AG alliance because you hate how it has kicked your ass. You want rule changes to end tactics that allowed us to take mobs from you. If you can't negotiate this, you'd rather stall negotiations, all the while claiming it is Freedoms fault. I think the staff and everyone else but Kittens sees right through this, it's so obvious. It seems weird that a person with such high raid attendance suddenly has something happening irl. Getting sanctimonious about it is par for course for all the speakers I have seen from Riot.

Before I read the UN I might have agreed with Riot's assessment on many things about Freedom and Detoxx, but now that you have exposed yourself and your angle, I think I'd rather deal with a server ruleset decided by Detoxx than anything decided by Riot.

The GM's said in there statement that the petitions were a "waste of time", and some of those, in fact most of those

coming from a guild that literally cries that it cant kill anything on it's own because a big bad zerg is too much to overcome so they make a bigger zerg for half the loot? Kittens has been, and does compete in TOV and largely without incident. When is the last time kittens needed to concede a mob? Freedom has, on it's own, conceded more than it's killed, but you wanna slander kittens?

[2eazy4]

When was the last time you see Kittens engaged in in NTOV without kiting mobs, if riots proposal goes through kittens will never see any mobs in NTOV unless its uncontested like right now lol

[Ennewi]

https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/courses/materials/Narc.Pers.DSM.pdf


https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-narcissist-move-the-goal-posts

When a narcissist moves the goal posts, they constantly shift and redefine expectations so that they can never be met. It's a manipulation tactic and a form of gaslighting they use to make their partners feel worthless and never good enough.

By moving the goal posts, the narcissist comes up with reasons to never be satisfied with you. For example, after you've fulfilled their request to spend more time focusing on their needs, they criticize you for not being independent. Their shifting expectations may not even be related. The point is to make you jump through hoops and manipulate you.

By continuously changing expectations, the narcissist makes their partner feel bad about themselves and can also make them feel anxious about meeting more of their expectations. The narcissist’s manipulative game will never end, and they will never be satisfied.

By agreeing then ignoring the agreement, then doing exactly what they first wanted and conceded in a previous debate.

It ignores the promise, ridicules the debate prior, violates your trust, humiliates your integrity, and gives them the power to take whatever they can.

It is underhanded and dishonest and you eventually see it often as though your issues and agreement mean zero.

[Ennewi]

That said,

https://blogs.webmd.com/mental-health/20180717/why-its-a-bad-idea-to-play-armchair-psychologist

[Gatordash]

When was the last time you see Kittens engaged in in NTOV without kiting mobs, if riots proposal goes through kittens will never see any mobs in NTOV unless its uncontested like right now lol

Thats a pretty thinly veiled argument in bad faith. Being unable to kite mobs gives Riot a significant advantage since they are the largest guild and are therefore able to handle more mobs. It would also encourage more leap frogging and probably more petitions. I'm not in the UN though, it would be funny to see Riot's spinzone on it.

[2eazy4]

Thats a pretty thinly veiled argument in bad faith. Being unable to kite mobs gives Riot a significant advantage since they are the largest guild and are therefore able to handle more mobs. It would also encourage more leap frogging and probably more petitions. I'm not in the UN though, it would be funny to see Riot's spinzone on it.

Thats my point, i don't see how Kittens are blinded by riots proposal thinking that its helping smaller guilds. Its all about who got the biggest zerg force who can off tank the guards and engage name at the same time.

[Nuggie]

C/R/FFA was fun(as a class r guild during the rotation days) because you got your mob and tried to squeeze in another mob or two per quake. You got to race(between targets) to beat other guilds to those targets. Way more fun that sitting at a starting line waiting for someone's scream feed to let you know the mob popped.

[Hrothgar]

Whole thing is too strange to be fiction, and too sad to be funny.

[saftbudet]

Yeah, reading Detoxx and Furoars disrespect to other in UN:Self-Improvement-Workshop channel has me convinced they have't understood it at all.

Its less about new rules and more about mutual respect. AG and Riot keep trying to bring constructive suggestions. Especially AG seems to be the rational and constructive part.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

^ this... the entire ban needs to remain in effect until these people learn how to treat other people with some spread of respect and dignity... no matter the raid rules as long as people on this server continue to treat each other with hatred nothing will change and we will be RIGHT back here in a month

[Vianna]

Or do much harsher penalties. Like a 1 week / 2 week full out raid suspension and loot deletion. People will be on their best behavior then.

You are an idiot. Harsher penalties don't reduce petitions. It makes guilds petition each other more. The only behavior this would change is how fast petitions will fly in. There will be more because getting guild punished will be the goal because it reduces competition.

[Gatordash]

You are an idiot. Harsher penalties don't reduce petitions. It makes guilds petition each other more. The only behavior this would change is how fast petitions will fly in. There will be more because getting guild punished will be the goal because it reduces competition.

Can't send in a petition if youre banned.

[kaizersoze]

Can't send in a petition if youre banned.

[Vianna]

yikes. Maybe stretch your legs, take a breather, re-up the prescription for your insulin. It's just a game.

This an ironic post. Look how much time you spend in RNF trying to trash Freedom. You guys talk about attacking people in the UN channel to try to silence opinions when this is exactly what you are doing here.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Getting anyone in freedom to be silent for 2 minutes is physically impossible... so no dice on that comment

[Vianna]

coming from a guild that literally cries that it cant kill anything on it's own because a big bad zerg is too much to overcome so they make a bigger zerg for half the loot? Kittens has been, and does compete in TOV and largely without incident. When is the last time kittens needed to concede a mob? Freedom has, on it's own, conceded more than it's killed, but you wanna slander kittens?

You do realize the content in ToV is trivial right ? Most of it can be cleared with 25 players. Freedom and AG have a point when they say a Large Zerg stifles competition. It forces a 30 to 40 man guild to look for outside help because without outside help they simply can't do the same type of engages and pulls that a 60 man guild can do. Trying to attack that stance just makes you seem uneducated.

[Vianna]

Getting anyone in freedom to be silent for 2 minutes is physically impossible... so no dice on that comment

The problem is clearly Riot. Just look at this thread and look who the biggest antagonists are. It isn't Freedom Members or AG members in here attacking others stances. It is Riot members attacking.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

So what your saying is without AG freedom is irrelevant?

[Vianna]

So what your saying is without AG freedom is irrelevant?

It seems them together is a big thorn in Riots side by this thread and other recent threads. Maybe eventually Riot will learn to work with those 2 entities and you guys will get to raid again.

[saftbudet]

The problem is clearly Riot. Just look at this thread and look who the biggest antagonists are. It isn't Freedom Members or AG members in here attacking others stances. It is Riot members attacking.

Your a real Freedom fighter!

[Vianna]

Your a real Freedom fighter!

No. I am in none of these guilds.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Lol I got to raid all week... I must making sure I read your comment correctly... what your saying is without AGs zerg freedom can't do the content to the current meta standards and is irrelevant?

[saftbudet]

No. I am in none of these guilds.

And I am Santa

[Vianna]

Lol I got to raid all week... I must making sure I read your comment correctly... what your saying is without AGs zerg freedom can't do the content to the current meta standards and is irrelevant?

I have no idea about Freedom's capabilities ? Not in the guild. I am simply pointing out the flawed arguments perpetuated by some people here.

[Vianna]

And I am Santa

Well better grow a beard and hand out toys then. Because I am not in a guild currently on P99.

[saftbudet]

Well better grow a beard and hand out toys then. Because I am not in a guild currently on P99.

I have a formidable neckbeard if that counts.

[bktroost]

I am the real villain. You will all agree in a few weeks I'm sure. You heard it here first.

[shuklak]

I have a formidable neckbeard if that counts.

Is a formidable neckbeard a very thick neckbeard or an exceptionally patchy and thin (yet mature hairs) variety?

[saftbudet]

Is a formidable neckbeard a very thick neckbeard or an exceptionally patchy and thin (yet mature hairs) variety?

Haha, I do have one picture of it, which i lost. My neckbeard is relatively normal, but consist of wide variety of colours. From Black, Red, blonde and Gray

[Ripqozko]

None of this would of happen if A-team didn’t get epics.

[Psyborg]

You are an idiot. Harsher penalties don't reduce petitions. It makes guilds petition each other more. The only behavior this would change is how fast petitions will fly in. There will be more because getting guild punished will be the goal because it reduces competition.

So here's the thought process for that and the reasons it ended up in both Freedom's and AG's proposals. Stiff punishments for petitions that get escalated to GMs means that guilds are far more likely to solve our quarrels through guild to guild mediation. We could go petition by petition and most or all of those would have been resolved before it ever reached a GM.

We would love to see Riot get on board with this.

[reznor_]

The majority of people posting in this thread are not Freedom, lol. I barely am anymore, I'm expatriated to green.

Each side will always think the other is "toxic", it's the nature of competition. The biggest version of "we would never do that" is just better veiled than the other side. Please, get over yourselves and accept that at this level, where autists and ADDs rule the crowd, that it will be this way.

If you don't think that the more casual guilds won't eventually get pixel lust and "act out", you are sorely mistaken. Remember the suspension from ST? There was some semblance of divide and conquer, but there was *still* flames and drama in the UN over it, so don't sit here and tell me it's restricted to the guilds who have been dominating. I'm not on some cloud here handing down life lessons, I was in the thick of it, too.

[shuklak]

The majority of people posting in this thread are not Freedom, lol. I barely am anymore, I'm expatriated to green.

Each side will always think the other is "toxic", it's the nature of competition. The biggest version of "we would never do that" is just better veiled than the other side. Please, get over yourselves and accept that at this level, where autists and ADDs rule the crowd, that it will be this way.

If you don't think that the more casual guilds won't eventually get pixel lust and "act out", you are sorely mistaken. Remember the suspension from ST? There was some semblance of divide and conquer, but there was *still* flames and drama in the UN over it, so don't sit here and tell me it's restricted to the guilds who have been dominating. I'm not on some cloud here handing down life lessons, I was in the thick of it, too.

True. The only true way to fix p99 raiding is to force participants to acquire gainful employment in addition to some non-zero number of hours amongst their physical community.

[Ennewi]

If you don't think that the more casual guilds won't eventually get pixel lust and "act out", you are sorely mistaken. Remember the suspension from ST? There was some semblance of divide and conquer, but there was *still* flames and drama in the UN over it, so don't sit here and tell me it's restricted to the guilds who have been dominating. I'm not on some cloud here handing down life lessons, I was in the thick of it, too.

Fatalism?

[Ripqozko]

Pantheon or ban lifted comes first ?

[xdrcfrx]

Pantheon or ban lifted comes first ?

but is there warder loot on pantheon?

[Ripqozko]

but is there warder loot on pantheon?

You wouldn’t get it if it was, sorry.

[kaizersoze]

The majority of people posting in this thread are not Freedom, lol. I barely am anymore, I'm expatriated to green.

Each side will always think the other is "toxic", it's the nature of competition. The biggest version of "we would never do that" is just better veiled than the other side. Please, get over yourselves and accept that at this level, where autists and ADDs rule the crowd, that it will be this way.

If you don't think that the more casual guilds won't eventually get pixel lust and "act out", you are sorely mistaken. Remember the suspension from ST? There was some semblance of divide and conquer, but there was *still* flames and drama in the UN over it, so don't sit here and tell me it's restricted to the guilds who have been dominating. I'm not on some cloud here handing down life lessons, I was in the thick of it, too.
didnt you get removed from freedom for admitting you guys blurred vulak?

[xdrcfrx]

You wouldn’t get it if it was, sorry.

sorry i dont got warder loot.

[reznor_]

didnt you get removed from freedom for admitting you guys blurred vulak?

negative, ghostrider

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/VJeLAZI.gif

[Detoxx]

Riot crying in this thread and so much to the GMs about favoritism that Menden had to publicly address their unfounded and baseless accusations simply because they aren't getting their way and I'm the villain? Lolol

[Vynsticus]

Riot too busy to have a meeting but not too busy to petition petition petition. Give them a month ban and let the rest of us determine how the server gets ran since they seem to be throwing tantrums and can't seem to budge because they feel as if they own the server and can dictate or manipulate every outcome they feel doesn't benefit them the most or put them at the top.

[mattmanbass]

Riot too busy to have a meeting but not too busy to petition petition petition. Give them a month ban and let the rest of us determine how the server gets ran since they seem to be throwing tantrums and can't seem to budge because they feel as if they own the server and can dictate or manipulate every outcome they feel doesn't benefit them the most or put them at the top.

That was really lame of riot to play the "real life over game" card about the discord meeting when theres something 400 fucking people on the hook, and nobody really believes your " too busy" gtfo

[Strifer]

Riot crying in this thread and so much to the GMs about favoritism that Menden had to publicly address their unfounded and baseless accusations simply because they aren't getting their way and I'm the villain? Lolol

Literally elf-sim pixel Hitler

[reznor_]

Riot crying in this thread and so much to the GMs about favoritism that Menden had to publicly address their unfounded and baseless accusations simply because they aren't getting their way and I'm the villain? Lolol

Can confirm, Detoxx is the worst with his constant harassment of me. Look I know you need buffs but I’m OOM.

[booter]

Riot crying in this thread and so much to the GMs about favoritism that Menden had to publicly address their unfounded and baseless accusations simply because they aren't getting their way and I'm the villain? Lolol

you're a psycho manbaby and everyone has known it for years

[feniin]

Let the suspension play out for another 6-8 weeks. Detoxx can't handle it and he's cracking.

[turbosilk]

Or do much harsher penalties. Like a 1 week / 2 week full out raid suspension and loot deletion. People will be on their best behavior then.

The penalties obviously aren't harsh enough. There's been a raid guild suspension on average every 1.5 months for the last 5 years. Even with 30+ day suspensions.

You have to identify the rotten apples, permaban them and rinse and repeat when they show back up. They aren't paying customers (nor are any of us) and yet they end up making it a non-paying job for the server GMs to put up with their toxic behaviour. Good riddance.

[Gatordash]

Let the suspension play out for another 6-8 weeks. Detoxx can't handle it and he's cracking.

Thats the spirit. No one play for another 2 months. The suspension is now the game. Thanks Riot.

[littlebabs]

Every time AM/AM2.0/Guild/RnG/Ghost/Ghxst and now Freedom start and enter the raiding scene, rule breaking and petitions get out of hand and GM just ban 3 guilds, instead of resolving the issues. Which are still the same issues now.


This ---- The GMs know who the continued toxic players are and have been over how many years? Isn't old AM leading Seal Team on Green. Bet that's heading down the same road.

Not that hard to recognize patterns.

[reznor_]

Let the suspension play out for another 6-8 weeks. Detoxx can't handle it and he's cracking.

Lol irl

[turbosilk]

Let the suspension play out for another 6-8 weeks. Detoxx can't handle it and he's cracking.

That much suspension time isn't new and it's still groundhog day. Gonna take more than that.

[Zoggren]

Let the suspension play out for another 6-8 weeks. Detoxx can't handle it and he's cracking.

Says the guy with 3000 posts in the last week.

[Baler]

I take it current "management"-(their words) doesn't pow-wow like sirken did back in the day with all the guild leaders. eh, probably for the best.

[Asteria]

Whole thing is too strange to be fiction, and too sad to be funny.

[Vianna]

So here's the thought process for that and the reasons it ended up in both Freedom's and AG's proposals. Stiff punishments for petitions that get escalated to GMs means that guilds are far more likely to solve our quarrels through guild to guild mediation. We could go petition by petition and most or all of those would have been resolved before it ever reached a GM.

We would love to see Riot get on board with this.

I raided from 2012 to 2018 on this server off and on. Stiffer penalties has never made guilds work together. It always does the opposite. The stiffer the penalties get the more petitions guilds put in as a tactic to reduce competition.

[Vianna]

you're a psycho manbaby and everyone has known it for years

That's the spirit keep the blood bad so Kittens can dominate the raid mobs.

[Daloon]

That was really lame of riot to play the "real life over game" card about the discord meeting when theres something 400 fucking people on the hook, and nobody really believes your " too busy" gtfo

90% Raid attendance, "too busy with real life cant make meeting sorry" while they're raiding on Green server, seems super legit.

Anyways, its about denying your opponent of pixels, thats why nobody really gives a fuck when we're all suspended together. I guess it hurts Riot more than anyone since they're the current zerg guild of current year. For all I care keep everybody suspended.

[Akg49]

90% Raid attendance, "too busy with real life cant make meeting sorry" while they're raiding on Green server, seems super legit.

Anyways, its about denying your opponent of pixels, thats why nobody really gives a fuck when we're all suspended together. I guess it hurts Riot more than anyone since they're the current zerg guild of current year. For all I care keep everybody suspended.

Ah so much compassion around here. People say real life happens, everyone just assumes they are lying. Classic p99.

Anyways, let the suspension continue, everyone go outside, let Kittens have their fun :p They just killed Zlandicar, so their solo kills just keep going up and up ang up! :D

[Ripqozko]

Ah so much compassion around here. People say real life happens, everyone just assumes they are lying. Classic p99.

Anyways, let the suspension continue, everyone go outside, let Kittens have their fun :p They just killed Zlandicar, so their solo kills just keep going up and up ang up! :D

12 aegis there too, dont push them out.

[xdrcfrx]

Ah so much compassion around here. People say real life happens, everyone just assumes they are lying. Classic p99.

Anyways, let the suspension continue, everyone go outside, let Kittens have their fun :p They just killed Zlandicar, so their solo kills just keep going up and up ang up! :D

got another primal in ST tonight, too!

[Akg49]

got another primal in ST tonight, too!

True, what is that, 5 primals? Amazing luck

[Nuggie]

I am the real villain. You will all agree in a few weeks I'm sure. You heard it here first.

You decided your RL was more important than your EQ-CSG friends. Heck yea you're the villain! Because you left AG turned into what it was now. Without The Mayor to steer them they've gone astray from their roots(2nd hand info at best, I left not long after you did).

[Hrothgar]

Don’t think anyone’s said it yet:

Mad bad sad fat git gud

[bktroost]

You decided your RL was more important than your EQ-CSG friends. Heck yea you're the villain! Because you left AG turned into what it was now. Without The Mayor to steer them they've gone astray from their roots(2nd hand info at best, I left not long after you did).

QUOTE=Nuggie;3200834]I left not long after you did.[/QUOTE]

Lol. What happens when most of the good ones leave?? Well, not much apparently. I remember doing all these summits and UN meetings back then too.

[Viscere]

Some criots itt are frothing at the mouth

Sorry your 600 people guild has inner tensions due to a situation it shares a full responsibility in creating

In case you did not realize GMs are tired of pointed fingers, they want solutions, not constant whining and crying.

So even if you have man boobs and still feed on mums hotpockets, please grow up

[Yoink1986]

^ off triggered lol

[Yoink1986]

^heh upset much? ;p

[Hyjalx]

Hey, at least rooting the dragons solved everything. LOL

[reznor_]

Hey, at least rooting the dragons solved everything. LOL

When you right you right

[Strifer]

Hey, at least rooting the dragons solved everything. LOL

I don't understand all the concessions and changes made for raid mobs. From roots to spawn windows that encourage unhealthy habits for hopeful raiders, if we're going this far i just say instance blue, everybody wins and GMs/ guides are free from having to analyze some dudes sizzling 240p Fraps on their Dell inspiron laptop to spot the out of line pixel like CSI Miami.

Blue raiding isn't classic no matter what you decide to do.

[Clazxiss]

#BringBackSirken

That will take a many lady elves and favors. Not worth the lipstick.

[Senix]

90% Raid attendance, "too busy with real life cant make meeting sorry" while they're raiding on Green server, seems super legit.

Anyways, its about denying your opponent of pixels, thats why nobody really gives a fuck when we're all suspended together. I guess it hurts Riot more than anyone since they're the current zerg guild of current year. For all I care keep everybody suspended.

I can't speak for Unity raiding on green.... but Arcler had a family member in the hospital while yall freaked out about a meeting....

[LazyHydras]

The verdict is now in. The real villain is:


Nemce. Congratulations for being the biggest villain ever, reclaiming the name of a guild that you have nothing to do with anymore on a server that you don't play on anymore by waiting until the most inopportune moment in the middle of raid ban all because you want to be as slimy as humanly possible.

By executive decision — grats Nemce.

[mattmanbass]

I can't speak for Unity raiding on green.... but Arcler had a family member in the hospital while yall freaked out about a meeting....

Nobody is suggesting he leave the hospital for this, but its bigger than arcler. If hes that indesposed thenreiot can send a different representitive. What are we talking about here lol. Honestly say what you want, but it came off as toggin being as petty as humanly possible

[bktroost]

The verdict is now in. The real villain is:


Nemce. Congratulations for being the biggest villain ever, reclaiming the name of a guild that you have nothing to do with anymore on a server that you don't play on anymore by waiting until the most inopportune moment in the middle of raid ban all because you want to be as slimy as humanly possible.

By executive decision — grats Nemce.

I may have mentioned that a few pages earlier.

[imsorryGMs]

Releasing Luclin would help free up some drama that mostly revolves around velious.

[imsorryGMs]

Ah so much compassion around here. People say real life happens, everyone just assumes they are lying. Classic p99.

Anyways, let the suspension continue, everyone go outside, let Kittens have their fun :p They just killed Zlandicar, so their solo kills just keep going up and up ang up! :D

Yet F/AG bring 180+ to encounters.

[Hrothgar]

Who had Nemce as ultimate villain?
Anyone?

[sydbarrett25]

I am the real villain. You will all agree in a few weeks I'm sure. You heard it here first.

[Dreenk317]

Aegis are cool, they aren't trying to act like they are the raid gods of p99 :D

Freedom isn't either, Riot is.

[Trexller]

Releasing Luclin would help free up some drama that mostly revolves around velious.

die irl

[Zipity]

Try each proposal for a month then pick one.

[Nuggie]

I think GM's require them to agree before they are unbanned from raiding, eh?

[apathe]

Ah so much compassion around here. People say real life happens, everyone just assumes they are lying. Classic p99.

Anyways, let the suspension continue, everyone go outside, let Kittens have their fun :p They just killed Zlandicar, so their solo kills just keep going up and up ang up! :D
We teamed with Aegis for Zlandicar. They are a great alliance and were extremely graceful, and should not be discounted from that kill!

[Littul Jonn]

Yet F/AG bring 180+ to encounters.

Is it the guild formerly known as AG now? Did the name change thing actually go through?

[zszudy]

Is it the guild formerly known as AG now? Did the name change thing actually go through?

hasnt gone through yet. But nemce is the villan overall now, he wants it, so he gets it. Miss you Littul.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I dont see the big deal tbh... most of you have been running around tagged <freedom> for months

[Littul Jonn]

hasnt gone through yet. But nemce is the villan overall now, he wants it, so he gets it. Miss you Littul.

<3 <3 <3

Miss you too hombre :D

I've thought about coming back a few times and such but I just don't have the time to raid like I used to haha. Green might be fun, would be cool to see Velious on a fresh server and such but same problem haha. I barely have enough time to raid log in WoW as it is.

Kinda fun to keep up with things here on RNF at least, lots of angry elves these days :D

[Woke Locc]

It was very wrong of Nemce to disallow you from using the name of his guild to pursue your pixel sickness

Very wrong indeed

[adruidarkly]

Scroll to the top
Till the names go white
Who was the first asshole

[Maliant]

<3 <3 <3

Miss you too hombre :D

I've thought about coming back a few times and such but I just don't have the time to raid like I used to haha. Green might be fun, would be cool to see Velious on a fresh server and such but same problem haha. I barely have enough time to raid log in WoW as it is.

Kinda fun to keep up with things here on RNF at least, lots of angry elves these days :D


RNF been juicy for sure. Scout out.