Skin In The Game

[Grumph]

It's a concept both ancient..

"Hamurabi's code states: if a building collapses, its architect should be burried with it"

And Modern...

"If you get food poisoning from sashimi, the hibachi must commits sepuku"

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Now that the UN is open for all to see, its time to point out one of the simplest and straight forward recommendations there is:

(and I only say the following with the deepest sadness and respect towards my close friends in Kittens, DB, TSS, and so many other guilds)

Negotiations on an agreement to end The Ban
Should be conducted by the guilds that are banned.


Its simple really. And I'm sure everyone can agree. Of course if other guild want a say? Simply volunteer for a self-imposed ban, equal to what everyone else who has skin in the game is currently sitting under.

The Mujahideen know what's up: they commit to loosing their lives for victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqWjJdXKIXA

The Spartans had a saying "Come home carrying your shield, or on it"

And when certain factions decided to stop The Aposlte Paul, despite acting against God's will, they at least understood their need for skin in the game:
“We have strictly bound ourselves by an oath to taste no food till we have killed Paul"
https://biblehub.com/esv/acts/23.htm




Now I know what you're thinking. I can already hear it.

"Grumph Grumph Grumph, you don't understand!"

"We don't need skin in the game here because this is an Intervention!"

"You people received a Ban because you're unwell. And we are trying to help you get the help you need!"



I know. I said there's no counter argument for Skin In The Game.

But this actually makes sense. If you see these talks not as a negotiation, but an intervention, fair enough!

There's just one hole in the intervention argument: you need to follow through to its conclusion.



Rogean and Nilbog have said they favor competition. And do not approve of rotations.

If you think you have standing to host an intervention against Freedom, AG, and Riot - then you must go one step further and circle your wagons around Rogean and Nilbog as well.

Otherwise. Again. You have zero credibility. Because you have no Skin In The Game.

[Toryas]

What

[Woke Locc]

What

1. This dumbass thinks 'circle your wagons' means attack(emot: siege)
2. A sovereign is not punished when their subjects misbehave(Well, ;))
3. mods??

[shuklak]

Encouraging suicide is ban worthy.

No sips.

[Pint]

Why would the hibachi chef be preparing your sashimi?

[Hotel]

can i get the fried rice please

[Argh]

You haven’t thought about the smell.

[Incubo]

fully agree with OP

[xdrcfrx]

sorry you were banned.

[Ravager]

The Welsh Corgi (/ˈkɔːrɡi/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English), Welsh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_language) for "dwarf dog";[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Corgi#cite_note-:0-5) plural "Corgis" or occasionally the etymologically consistent "Corgwn"; /ˈkɔːrɡuːn/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)) is a small type (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_type) of herding dog (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herding_dog) that originated in Wales (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Corgi#cite_note-6) Sometimes just known as a Corgi, two separate breeds are recognised: the Pembroke Welsh Corgi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pembroke_Welsh_Corgi) and the Cardigan Welsh Corgi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardigan_Welsh_Corgi). Historically, the Pembroke has been attributed to the influx of dogs alongside Flemish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_people) weavers from around the 10th century, while the Cardigan is attributed to the dogs brought with Norse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsemen) settlers, in particular a common ancestor of the Swedish Vallhund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Vallhund). A certain degree of interbreeding between the two types has been suggested to explain the similarities between the two. The Pembroke is the more popular breed of the two, but still appears on The Kennel Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kennel_Club)'s list of Vulnerable dog breeds of the United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerable_dog_breeds_of_the_United_Kingdom).[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Corgi#cite_note-7)
There are physical differences between the two types. According to the breed standards, overall the Cardigan is larger, both in weight and in height. Traditionally, the tails were of different shapes, but docking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_(animal)) had previously been used. The Pembroke Welsh Corgi gained in popularity because the Queen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II) has personally owned more than 30 Pembrokes or Corgi-Dachshund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachshund) crosses, known as dorgis

[KansasComrade]

Ground floor of this goldmine.

[Bardp1999]

yikes

[spiritsofrock]

It’s spelled seppuku you dolt

[Arvan]

They said no “server rule” rotations but go ahead on player agreement rotations.

Oh and your post was way too long for that to be the big finish!

[Hisamori]

If the building collapses, the architect is buried with it ... the architect doesn't build houses for the families of those killed in the collapse.

The big 3 (really 2), according to this logic, so then be banished to a fate of their making: move all the offending chars to an instance of ToV with rooted dragons, forever. They cannot leave.

[feniin]

yikes

[charmcitysking]

yikes

Also, Hibachi chef's don't typically prepare sashimi

[reznor_]

yikes

[Zal22]

yikes

[shuklak]

If the building collapses, the architect is buried with it ... the architect doesn't build houses for the families of those killed in the collapse.

The big 3 (really 2), according to this logic, so then be banished to a fate of their making: move all the offending chars to an instance of ToV with rooted dragons, forever. They cannot leave.would be heaven for them, unless the dragons had no loot.

[xdrcfrx]

yikes

[Ghost of Starman]

Hahahaha thanks for the good laugh, enjoying all my free "welfare" pixels while the extreme neckbeards watch and stew.

[Rogue305]

I read this as an indictment toward the owners of the server, rather than the guilds involved here.

[Boyblunder]

Can Freedom kill Vindi solo?

[Nuggie]

I don't know what the Blue UN is like, but the Green UN was like a full time job(hours per week-wise) keeping up with it all. If you aren't "up-to-date" then you're not seeing things through the correct perspective. Looking in every now and then doesn't really show you enough for you to understand what's going on. May as well keep to the cherry-picked snippets of the opposing guilds' leaders/officers being assholes.

[Coridan]

Something something eat the table.

[Tethler]

"If you get food poisoning from sashimi, the hibachi must commits sepuku"



Hibachi
noun
a portable cooking apparatus similar to a small barbecue.

I'd like to see a grill commit ritual suicide.

[Tunabros]

i got a migraine just from reading this thread

im so confused

[hobart]

Chiming in on a raid scene you're not participating in is a time-honored tradition here on P99. I hope someone is checking with Cloki on all this.

[remen]

Can Freedom kill Vindi solo?

Clearly not. We should issue a challenge where if they kill Vindi solo their ban is lifted. After they fail they will still be banned, and also incredibly embarrassed. Wouldn't you say this is a good idea to support?

[Hisamori]

would be heaven for them, unless the dragons had no loot.

All targets respawn every 6 minutes and drop 2x of everything on loot table. So yea, everyone will be fully geared in a few days but they are banished there forever.

[OuterChimp]

I think this thread gave me the Rona...

[shuklak]

All targets respawn every 6 minutes and drop 2x of everything on loot table. So yea, everyone will be fully geared in a few days but they are banished there forever.

Then they will die in heaven.

[Psyborg]

Clearly not. We should issue a challenge where if they kill Vindi solo their ban is lifted. After they fail they will still be banned, and also incredibly embarrassed. Wouldn't you say this is a good idea to support?

We accept this challenge with the stipulation that every time you zone you announce that Freedom is your salvation.

[Psyborg]

Also, per the spirit of OP's thread:

https://i.imgur.com/BGHB9Xa.png

https://i.imgur.com/akxYLI8.png

[Akg49]

It's hilarious how hard Freedom wants to push out non AGF/R guilds from discussion. It's also hilarious how hard Freedom pushes for Rotation Races. They don't compete for anything, they hide behind AG, and when anyone proposes anything they give it 0 consideration, just immediately call for Rotation Races or try to stifle discussion because they know that Rotation Races are the only way they have a shot at getting some loot.

They favor Rotation Races (or FTE lockout races as they like to call them) over pure rotations because they know they are rotations that only rotate between the top 3 guilds, and exclude the casual, smaller guilds. They also know they can't win traditional EQ competition because they are just bad at the game.

MEANWHILE, they expect to rule over all the discussions happening in game and seek to exclude over half the server, even those that actually compete more than them (like Kittens)

it's sad really.

and the fact that you think FTE lockouts are competition and not an agreement that perpetuates uncontested attempts at a mob over time (aka a Rotation) is also, you guessed it, hilarious.

[nyclin]

It's hilarious how hard Freedom wants to push out non AGF/R guilds from discussion.

wow never saw this coming incredible just unbelievable, who could have possibly imagined this

[Grumph]

Well my doods, it’s the time we’ve all been waiting for.

Our mission is complete here. We’re now ready for our victory lap parade before moving to resolved.

Full marks to Bankor and <Castle> for showing the introspection, clarity of thought, and perseverance to fully realize their self actualization and live their best life.

Bankor <Castle> on 10/25:
and, at the end of the day, i have very little skin in the game. right? compared to you guys.

Unfortunately, not everyone was as amenable to embracing either their situation, nor taking personal responsibility for such.

Xyram yesterday 12:00 pm:
If we're going to be held to the rules that are being put forward we are going to make our voices heard about how they are going to be shaped.

When “Keeping It Real” goes wrong. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pfz0tDQZhqs)


Galach yesterday 12:01 pm:
Riot/AG/Freedom need to be the ones working on this

Xyram yesterday 12:01 pm:
So to be clear, we are expected to not be a part of this conversation, but we will be held to the rules they create?

Who was this mysterious Xyram? His UN write privileges seem to have been since removed. His handle and affiliation may now and forever be lost to the dark aged murky waters of historical theory, even as his words live on.

Purpyl <KWSM> yesterday 12:01 pm:
why dont we get a say in it?

Wait... we may now be able to postulate that Xyram was, at the time, with Kittens. This may bode well I’m sure!

Galach yesterday 12:04 pm:
I don't see you guys:
1) trying to snipe during tunare clear
2) wasting ring wars at 2 am
3) petitioning multiple times a week
4) clearing north TOV weekly
5) PMing staff every day about issues
6) being hostile towards everyone
If freedom/ag/Riot want to include you on any player agreements that would be superceded by server rules, then they can.

“Hello, 9-1-1? I’d like to report a.. a firearms related incident has occurred.”

And of course, an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us!

Ziing <Riot> yesterday 12:15 pm:
KWSM is definitely a lot less hostile about raid issues, but very much disagree on them not* being in North ToV. They're frequently there, and have been subject to trains and such from trash pulls. They've also done several RW's, and I think most guilds are proposing new server rules for RW.

A more succinct and direct deconstruction of one’s opponent you shall never fi...

Galach yesterday 12:19 pm:
I understand, but AG/Freedom/Riot are the ones that are raid suspended

Oh.

Of course more words were exchanged. And I leave such things as an exercise for the reader. But at the end of the day...

Galach yesterday 5:47 pm:
@@Riot @@AzureGuard @@Freedom LMK when you guys work out your issues and propose a joint plan

Friends, Gentleman, Esteemed Colleagues! What else is there to say?

Grumph on 10/24:
Negotiations on an agreement to end The Ban
Should be conducted by the guilds that are banned.

QED

[2eazy4]

Purpyl <KWSM>Yesterday at 8:39 PM
More solo kills since freedom was born
It’s not even comparable
But like I said we don’t have a vote
So have fun

DetoxxYesterday at 8:39 PM
Maybe so. And I applaud that. Are you voluntarily joining this suspension to have a voice?

Furoar <Freedom>Yesterday at 8:39 PM
Slide into our suspension, delete the Gharns, and come figure this out with us bud.


And this is why you need to stay in your lane. Sure come on over, just all the EQ loots and you can put your 2 cent in.

[2eazy4]

Delete all your EQ loots then you can put your 2cent in