That quake timing. . .

[LazyHydras]

Feels bad man.

[2eazy4]

It was to shit on Ag/Riot/Freedom..me punching the air rn

[Tunabros]

Kittens being nice to everyone else really paid off hehe

[Nexii]

Doesn't affect too much to have a quake 2 days before scheduled repop tbh

[BiG SiP]

barks

[Hrothgar]

The GMs are dropping hints.

[Bardp1999]

We need a Hanukkah of quakes. Non stop 7 days straight

[Hrothgar]

What would really encourage 'getting along' is double spawns. Two dragons, one root point.

[kaizersoze]

What would really encourage 'getting along' is double spawns. Two dragons, one root point.

or quadruple loot. Man if they got 4x the tears on doze or 4x vulak loots and every guild got an amazing piece?

[douglas1999]

Can earthquakes on blue screw up spawns on green? was camping glacier bear on green, always exactly a 7h20m respawn, I was sitting there at spawn point 5 minutes early annnnnd nothing appeared. No PH no bear.

[Nexii]

What would really encourage 'getting along' is double spawns. Two dragons, one root point.

It happened before with Dozekar. Though that was because of the old/new model thing

[shuklak]

We need a Hanukkah of quakes. Non stop 7 days straight

Unfortunately, they would only be equal to like maybe 1/4 quake per night at best.

[Fammaden]

It quakes on both servers simultaneously.

[Dman2701]

Honestly the quake was the best thing they could have done, now people in AG, Freedom Riot can enjoy their weekend, without trying to make some hasty agreement that nobody likes just to try to be released from prison before repops. I know the GMs meant it to be a slap in the face, but repops were about to happen anyways. Go out enjoy the weekend let other guilds have some fun you have an entire week to worry about missing repops. Good luck officers getting some agreement hashed out, i don't envy any of you.

[gkmarino]

Honestly the quake was the best thing they could have done, now people in AG, Freedom Riot can enjoy their weekend, without trying to make some hasty agreement that nobody likes just to try to be released from prison before repops. I know the GMs meant it to be a slap in the face, but repops were about to happen anyways. Go out enjoy the weekend let other guilds have some fun you have an entire week to worry about missing repops. Good luck officers getting some agreement hashed out, i don't envy any of you.

[Mistle]

Just keep quaking every night or two.

[gkmarino]

Yeah let's see how much competition there is between the other guilds and see if any petitions start to get written up!

[MaCtastic]

Lol, there isn’t a single petition thus far. There was an errant train in fear and the two officers sent a few tells back and forth, they helped them recover, they both LOLd about it briefly before going back to both parties having fun not trying to impede the others fun.

[Arvan]

Are you implying that they were just friends having fun?

[JackofSpade]

Lol, there isn’t a single petition thus far. There was an errant train in fear and the two officers sent a few tells back and forth, they helped them recover, they both LOLd about it briefly before going back to both parties having fun not trying to impede the others fun.

Are you implying that they were just friends having fun?

Lol congratulations on not a single petition thus far! You made it 15 hours thus far...that's an incredible show of diplomacy and conflict resolution thus far!

[Nuggie]

Lol congratulations on not a single petition thus far! You made it 15 hours thus far...that's an incredible show of diplomacy and conflict resolution thus far!

sounding salty

[Zal22]

Lol congratulations on not a single petition thus far! You made it 15 hours thus far...that's an incredible show of diplomacy and conflict resolution thus far!

You make me sick. So soon into the ban that you earned.

Try some self reflection! Or a shower - you have your life back now.

[Hans]

Can earthquakes on blue screw up spawns on green? was camping glacier bear on green, always exactly a 7h20m respawn, I was sitting there at spawn point 5 minutes early annnnnd nothing appeared. No PH no bear.

No if earthquake happens you don't wait 7 hours and 20 min. it spawns right then at the earthquake.

[Hans]

You make me sick. So soon into the ban that you earned.

Try some self reflection! Or a shower - you have your life back now.

Lol if you are kittens you might as well wash your mouth out with soap also. You are apparent and have petition as hard if not harder than the 3. 15 to 20 page petition written by one of your actual lawyers in the guild. Pff stop jabber jawing and playing every individual.

Thats like saying Because you play a high elf you suck and will never get a port or a heal from me. Na if you are KWSM or their off shoot guild or TSS you do underhanded crap all the time.

[Trademarked]

Lol if you are kittens you might as well wash your mouth out with soap also. You are apparent and have petition as hard if not harder than the 3. 15 to 20 page petition written by one of your actual lawyers in the guild. Pff stop jabber jawing and playing every individual.

Thats like saying Because you play a high elf you suck and will never get a port or a heal from me. Na if you are KWSM or their off shoot guild or TSS you do underhanded crap all the time.

Could we get a list going of transgressions perpetrated by the Iron Paw? I didn't realize they were the focus of scrutiny, but clearly they need to be brought to bear for their high-falutin antics based on this highly credible online posting I'm reading here.

We have clear evidence they were perpetrators of the long list of petitions, you say? Do we have screencaps of their foul languaged mouths with which we must remedy with soap?

Their underhanded crap must be brought to light! Pitchforks and torches, my brothers and sisters!

[feniin]

Lol if you are kittens you might as well wash your mouth out with soap also. You are apparent and have petition as hard if not harder than the 3. 15 to 20 page petition written by one of your actual lawyers in the guild. Pff stop jabber jawing and playing every individual.

Thats like saying Because you play a high elf you suck and will never get a port or a heal from me. Na if you are KWSM or their off shoot guild or TSS you do underhanded crap all the time.
Who hurt you?

[Zal22]

Lol if you are kittens you might as well wash your mouth out with soap also. You are apparent and have petition as hard if not harder than the 3. 15 to 20 page petition written by one of your actual lawyers in the guild. Pff stop jabber jawing and playing every individual.

Thats like saying Because you play a high elf you suck and will never get a port or a heal from me. Na if you are KWSM or their off shoot guild or TSS you do underhanded crap all the time.

Sorry i dont raid p99 its cancer. You can tell this by how hard you morons are already freaking out about not being able to raid.

[KansasComrade]

You didn’t like that timing? You’re gonna hate the next 8 we’re still banned for. #FreeLodi

[Ravager]

First COVID, then hurricanes, then wildfires and now Earthquakes? Fuck 2020.

[reznor_]

If you permabanned AG, Freedom, and Riot, you would eventually see similar behavior from the guilds who are able to raid. It's human nature, and only a matter of time. Pixels (power) corrupt.

[Baler]

Let's all get along, tell the zerg minions to chill out while guild leaders maturely and responsibly communicate information to better the health of the server.

[FatMice]

We need a Hanukkah of quakes. Non stop 7 days straight

QFT!

[nyclin]

honestly don't understand why we don't have quakes every 2 days or so, it would provide for the "competition" that people claim to love and solve the problem of scarcity at the same time

[Littul Jonn]

honestly don't understand why we don't have quakes every 2 days or so, it would provide for the "competition" that people claim to love and solve the problem of scarcity at the same time

QFT

[Coridan]

If we really wanted to mimic downtime and do proper quakes they should randomly take the server down for about 30 minutes to an hour.

[Solist]

Would be fine too, twice a week minimum, but occasionally back to back within an hour with zero warning on the 2nd one.

[turbosilk]

Nah. That would happen only because the banned players would move to those other guilds. Behaving civilly and abilities by rules is human nature.

[MaCtastic]

Lol if you are kittens you might as well wash your mouth out with soap also. You are apparent and have petition as hard if not harder than the 3. 15 to 20 page petition written by one of your actual lawyers in the guild. Pff stop jabber jawing and playing every individual.

Thats like saying Because you play a high elf you suck and will never get a port or a heal from me. Na if you are KWSM or their off shoot guild or TSS you do underhanded crap all the time.

This is cute. Sorry not sorry that we petitioned when there was a serious offense that occurred against us. If there were real accountability, instead of dismissive half hearted attempts to pander our complaints, while concurrently rushing for pixels, it would have been different. But that one event was enough to break the ‘camels back’.

Also, just because we could gather facts, structure them in a logical structure, to clearly articulate a sequence of event, demonstrates seriousness. All of which is required in the current climate manufactured by the ‘toxic few’. Sorry not sorry you were found guilty of exploiting others in order to benefit instead of taking responsibility for your actions.

[MaCtastic]

Lol congratulations on not a single petition thus far! You made it 15 hours thus far...that's an incredible show of diplomacy and conflict resolution thus far!

Might I suggest fresh air and some human interaction?

[supercalif]

This is cute. Sorry not sorry that we petitioned when there was a serious offense that occurred against us. If there were real accountability, instead of dismissive half hearted attempts to pander our complaints, while concurrently rushing for pixels, it would have been different. But that one event was enough to break the ‘camels back’.

Also, just because we could gather facts, structure them in a logical structure, to clearly articulate a sequence of event, demonstrates seriousness. All of which is required in the current climate manufactured by the ‘toxic few’. Sorry not sorry you were found guilty of exploiting others in order to benefit instead of taking responsibility for your actions.

You might be the cutest! So let's get the cards on the table for this one...

A member of AG accidentally trained wToV without consent of leadership, who also went against the suggestions of said leadership and it somehow is the fault of an entire guild by association? Let's look at what was offered pulling in the direct text from the petition response:


AG offered to recover Kittens; it was declined.
AG conceded LTK; it was declined.
AG invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
Freedom invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
AG offered another LTK concession for a total of 2 LTK concessions now; it was declined.
Freedom and AG conceded the next LTK, Telk, Gozz; It was declined.


Accidents happen based on poor decision making but let's not say there was no accountability, that would be inaccurate. As I read the petitions I didn't get a sense of KWSM making specific arguments at the time of infraction on how clear things up.

Could this have been handled differently, for sure but let's not take things to the extreme here.

[Scalem]

honestly don't understand why we don't have quakes every 2 days or so, it would provide for the "competition" that people claim to love and solve the problem of scarcity at the same time

[xdrcfrx]

You might be the cutest! So let's get the cards on the table for this one...

A member of AG accidentally trained wToV without consent of leadership, who also went against the suggestions of said leadership and it somehow is the fault of an entire guild by association? Let's look at what was offered pulling in the direct text from the petition response:


AG offered to recover Kittens; it was declined.
AG conceded LTK; it was declined.
AG invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
Freedom invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
AG offered another LTK concession for a total of 2 LTK concessions now; it was declined.
Freedom and AG conceded the next LTK, Telk, Gozz; It was declined.


Accidents happen based on poor decision making but let's not say there was no accountability, that would be inaccurate. As I read the petitions I didn't get a sense of KWSM making specific arguments at the time of infraction on how clear things up.

Could this have been handled differently, for sure but let's not take things to the extreme here.

Under the common law theory of respondeat superior, whether or not the liability for the actions of an employee or agent can be imputed to the employer or principal rests on whether or not the employee/agent was acting within the scope of their duties in that role. as a result, whether or not liability for Incubo's train can be imputed to AG / F rests on the answer to the question: was what he did done within the scope of his activity as a member of their raid? Since he was moving from ToV, where they had been raiding, to DN, where they were also intending to raid - the answer is yes, that was within the scope of his role as a raider. He was moving from one raid location, to another raid location, to continue raiding. Accordingly, AG / F should have been considered liable for that train notwithstanding directing Incubo not to do it.

If you get injured by someone's employee, it's not defense for the employer to say "we told him not to do that," if the thing the employee did was within the scope of their employment. Example: employee driving a delivery van hits your car because they were driving recklessly. The employer is liable for the damages, even though they probably told their drivers "don't drive recklessly."

Additional point here is that the petition did not ask for Incubo to be suspended - GM's made that call on their own. In any event, when the main point of the defense offered to that petition was "we told him not to do it, it's all Incubo's fault individually," how can they then turn around and act shocked that the GM's agreed that it was all Incubo's fault, individually? Your leadership threw him under the bus. That's on them, not anyone else.

[MaCtastic]

You might be the cutest! So let's get the cards on the table for this one...

A member of AG accidentally trained wToV without consent of leadership, who also went against the suggestions of said leadership and it somehow is the fault of an entire guild by association? Let's look at what was offered pulling in the direct text from the petition response:


AG offered to recover Kittens; it was declined.
AG conceded LTK; it was declined.
AG invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
Freedom invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
AG offered another LTK concession for a total of 2 LTK concessions now; it was declined.
Freedom and AG conceded the next LTK, Telk, Gozz; It was declined.


Accidents happen based on poor decision making but let's not say there was no accountability, that would be inaccurate. As I read the petitions I didn't get a sense of KWSM making specific arguments at the time of infraction on how clear things up.

Could this have been handled differently, for sure but let's not take things to the extreme here.

1. We prioritize people’s time and fun over pixels and cannot be purchased.
2. You weren’t going after those targets so the concede was a worthless.
3. The entire premise of “well send a small crew to help while we still capitalize on the fact we just trained another guild” is why the 3 big bads are banned, toxic.

[JackofSpade]

1. We prioritize people’s time and fun over pixels and cannot be purchased.
2. You weren’t going after those targets so the concede was a worthless.
3. The entire premise of “well send a small crew to help while we still capitalize on the fact we just trained another guild” is why the 3 big bads are banned, toxic.

What was done to "capitalize" on the train that occurred. What would you say is an appropriate response to an accidental train? If you're idea is to ban an entire guild whenever an individual member accidentally does something dumb, you're gonna change your tune real quick when it's a guild mate of yours that does it to someone else

[gutterbrain]

Under the common law theory of respondeat superior, whether or not the liability for the actions of an employee or agent can be imputed to the employer or principal rests on whether or not the employee/agent was acting within the scope of their duties in that role. as a result, whether or not liability for Incubo's train can be imputed to AG / F rests on the answer to the question: was what he did done within the scope of his activity as a member of their raid? Since he was moving from ToV, where they had been raiding, to DN, where they were also intending to raid - the answer is yes, that was within the scope of his role as a raider. He was moving from one raid location, to another raid location, to continue raiding. Accordingly, AG / F should have been considered liable for that train notwithstanding directing Incubo not to do it.

If you get injured by someone's employee, it's not defense for the employer to say "we told him not to do that," if the thing the employee did was within the scope of their employment. Example: employee driving a delivery van hits your car because they were driving recklessly. The employer is liable for the damages, even though they probably told their drivers "don't drive recklessly."

Additional point here is that the petition did not ask for Incubo to be suspended - GM's made that call on their own. In any event, when the main point of the defense offered to that petition was "we told him not to do it, it's all Incubo's fault individually," how can they then turn around and act shocked that the GM's agreed that it was all Incubo's fault, individually? Your leadership threw him under the bus. That's on them, not anyone else.

Thank you. I needed a good reminder why to avoid RnF at all costs.

[Trademarked]

What was done to "capitalize" on the train that occurred. What would you say is an appropriate response to an accidental train? If you're idea is to ban an entire guild whenever an individual member accidentally does something dumb, you're gonna change your tune real quick when it's a guild mate of yours that does it to someone else

AGF continued slamming Earthquake mobs while Kittens spent over an hour recovering/clearing repops... repops that were all put back on the table in obstructing the LTK attempt thanks to the errant, "eh, fuck it," train.
Then AGF took over Riot's Growth clear when Riot made good the malefaction committed by AGF.

I don't know where in that sequence of events you're not grasping what was done to capitalize on the situation.

An appropriate response would be to not engage a raid mob while your competition is dead by your own hands. That seems like the most braindead concept that even the most basic of warmbody raider could grasp.

No one was asking to ban an entire guild.

Petitions get filed when guilds act in bad faith and follow it up with even more egregious shittery like training a guild and then offering up concessions of said mob that they had absolutely no presence at (aside from their kamikaze pilot) while subsequently claiming no ties to said player or their action(s) (despite the very clear affiliation denoted by the guild tag), while subsequently submitting defense footage with clear audio that the offender acted with intent and knowledge --- indicated by the warnings they received from guildmates in the moments proceeding the train.

Can't claim "dumb" or ignorance when they were very clearly warned by own guild. That shows callous disregard if not wanton malice.

No one would change their tune under a repeat circumstance, even with roles reversed.

Better leadership wouldn't throw member(s) under the bus like that, while wiping hands clean of the situation and claiming they don't represent the guild.

Better leadership wouldn't throw meaningless token concessions as amends while continuing to press ill-gotten advantages (while victim shaming to boot).

Better leadership would put forth an actual effort to foster a community (and that's what P99 is, a community) rather than burn it down with bad faith actions, interactions, and negotiations.

Better leadership wouldn't be labeled toxic or be accused of fostering toxic behavior through all of the above, and get their band of followers raid banned.

[Praxcthius]

Kittens you are full of bs.
1. We prioritize people’s time and fun over pixels and cannot be purchased:
You are known to have had officers/cliques that go for epic mobs to sell denying your other guildies fun with pixels.
2. You weren’t going after those targets so the concede was a worthless.:
AG/F should have come back and denied all your pixels after numerous attempts to rectify the situation. Riot has several ex officers from kittens and numerous riot alts inside kittens. this is known. Remember
AG offered to recover Kittens; it was declined.
•AG conceded LTK; it was declined.
•AG invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
•Freedom invited Kittens to Tunare; it was declined.
•AG offered another LTK concession for a total of 2 LTK concessions now; it was declined.
•Freedom and AG conceded the next LTK, Telk, Gozz; It was declined.
sure zlandi > trumps these 3 for target selection. but in an abundance of overcompensating TO BE NICE all this was offered to your guild. You declined.
3. The entire premise of “well send a small crew to help while we still capitalize on the fact we just trained another guild” is why the 3 big bads are banned, toxic.:
Not any other guilds fault that your leadership fails to train its members to be effective raiders. Enjoy your scraps that you will allocate to your officers/officer alts who will then leave for another guild when they get completely fed up with leading xenovorash/vsr/ (insert fairly easy epic mob battle here).

You're guild is by far large enough to do raid content at most times of the day but it's your failing as leaders of your guild to prepare most of your participants. "Have you ever tried herding cats?" your guild is named kittens. your people are not cats. grow several sets of pairs of balls and compete. pixels given cuz finally someone got banned < beating those guys who got banned. everyday.

[feniin]

I really hope this suspension lasts for another couple months. You seem to need to detox from your pixel sickness.

[Praxcthius]

It won't matter if it lasts months or half a year. Once competition kicks in again Kittens will be relegated back to its former status of "We are too good to get caught up in the server strife that is the raiding scene." All due to the lack of good leadership decisions.
If Kittens put in some time to really compete would completely change the landscape of the raid scene. 4 guilds competing for merbs. (yes freedom can do tov dragons by themselves. with lower numbers. just can be a dicey time since less room for error).
Now back to kittens. they do have people with skills. just not the time put in for high end engagements on a consistent level. "We take the high road" is complete and utter hypocrisy due to the fact that once the trained and capable guilds are banned your guild fills the vacuum (albeit temporarily) to satiate the backseat pixel lust in your hearts.
OK one comment on the AOW kill. with the sheer numbers there he would have died due to the overwhelming zerg even if he killed one person a second on tank drop. gratz on doing what you thumb your noses at normally. (zerg zerg zerg zerg)

[feniin]

It won't matter if it lasts months or half a year. Once competition kicks in again Kittens will be relegated back to its former status of "We are too good to get caught up in the server strife that is the raiding scene." All due to the lack of good leadership decisions.
If Kittens put in some time to really compete would completely change the landscape of the raid scene. 4 guilds competing for merbs. (yes freedom can do tov dragons by themselves. with lower numbers. just can be a dicey time since less room for error).
Now back to kittens. they do have people with skills. just not the time put in for high end engagements on a consistent level. "We take the high road" is complete and utter hypocrisy due to the fact that once the trained and capable guilds are banned your guild fills the vacuum (albeit temporarily) to satiate the backseat pixel lust in your hearts.
OK one comment on the AOW kill. with the sheer numbers there he would have died due to the overwhelming zerg even if he killed one person a second on tank drop. gratz on doing what you thumb your noses at normally. (zerg zerg zerg zerg)

Show me on the doll where the kitten touched you

[pogs4ever]

Rotation 2020.

[Baler]

Rotation 2020.

Rotations kill server population.

[2eazy4]

If you want rotations, go play wow.

[xdrcfrx]

KWSM is regularly in TOV on earthquakes, and natural respawn. The idea that we "don't compete," because we don't spend 36-48 hours socking the entire slate of 7-day respawns is laughable.

sorry you're super upset about being banned.

[feniin]

Rotation 2020.

[feniin]

Rotations kill server population.

Do you even play on Blue?

[apathe]

These threads are amazing. Ignore the haters, Prax! Preach.

[Incubo]

The train on kittens was purely accidental. We just finished pulling HoT minis, call was made to go to DN, so I ran out not knowing west was still dirty. AG/F leadership made many attempts to rectify the situation but Kittens were out for blood, my blood specifically.

This just shows it doesn't matter what guild you are in, when you let small things upset you, you become toxic and make everyone else suffer. Welcome to being toxic Kittens. You could have easily said, thanks for the concession and offer to help rez, we know it was an accident, carry on. And that's it. But you didn't, you forced the issue, wasted officer's time and concessions were not good enough for you. The only thing left was to punish me. You wasted GM time for a frivolous petition contributing to the toxicity. And I wasn't gone for a week, I have other toons to play, so what did your petty petition accomplish? besides help make the server more toxic.

[feniin]

The train on kittens was purely accidental. We just finished pulling HoT minis, call was made to go to DN, so I ran out not knowing west was still dirty. AG/F leadership made many attempts to rectify the situation but Kittens were out for blood, my blood specifically.

This just shows it doesn't matter what guild you are in, when you let small things upset you, you become toxic and make everyone else suffer. Welcome to being toxic Kittens. You could have easily said, thanks for the concession and offer to help rez, we know it was an accident, carry on. And that's it. But you didn't, you forced the issue, wasted officer's time and concessions were not good enough for you. The only thing left was to punish me. You wasted GM time for a frivolous petition contributing to the toxicity. And I wasn't gone for a week, I have other toons to play, so what did your petty petition accomplish? besides help make the server more toxic.
Thanks for circumventing your suspension.

Continue playing poorly. If you didn't know you had agro and that Kittens were in West, you probably should not be allowed in ToV.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

This is an easy fix and easy to clarify... post the petition and response full with chat/obs to rnf and let people make their own conclusions

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I'm sure the server would love to see AG throw incubo under the bus

[xdrcfrx]

The train on kittens was purely accidental. We just finished pulling HoT minis, call was made to go to DN, so I ran out not knowing west was still dirty. AG/F leadership made many attempts to rectify the situation but Kittens were out for blood, my blood specifically.

This just shows it doesn't matter what guild you are in, when you let small things upset you, you become toxic and make everyone else suffer. Welcome to being toxic Kittens. You could have easily said, thanks for the concession and offer to help rez, we know it was an accident, carry on. And that's it. But you didn't, you forced the issue, wasted officer's time and concessions were not good enough for you. The only thing left was to punish me. You wasted GM time for a frivolous petition contributing to the toxicity. And I wasn't gone for a week, I have other toons to play, so what did your petty petition accomplish? besides help make the server more toxic.

lol your own guild leaders posted fraps of them telling you not to go because 4way was dirty, and you saying "nah, [I'm just gonna go.]" as the main exhibit to their defense. Ask them why they threw you under the bus to save their own skins (or, more interesting question - why did AG leadership let <Freedom> throw you under the bus?)

[pogs4ever]

Ruffel stole Kittens rotated triples in 2017.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Sunlight is the best disinfectant... but then AG/F couldn't act like kittens are this evil entity on the forums

[Incubo]

Nobody threw me under the bus. Yes I went on my own accord, and caused AG/F to concede dragons. Shit happens. But Kittens still petitioned after the concession, demanding blood and wasting everyone's time. That is toxic behavior. Move on.

Also, this might be news to you, but the meta to kill LTK is not to clear 20 trash mobs before engage. Its to train away the trash and engage, its a 20 minute kill, not 2hrs. Maybe use this downtime to practice instead of crying about not get pixels and making the server toxic.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

"I trained the shit out of you but you need to quit being so toxic... I knew you were there and just didn't care... stop crying"

Fixed that for you

[Hotel]

"I trained the shit out of you but you need to quit being so toxic... I knew you were there and just didn't care... stop crying"

Fixed that for you

conceding mobs is admitting a mistake and making up for it

crucifying a dude for something he clearly feels bad about just makes you a bad person

[xdrcfrx]

"It's not our fault at all. Incubo did it, all by himself."

That's them throwing you under the bus, by asserting to the gm's that you were the only responsible party.

sorry you have stockholm syndrome.

[Hotel]

"It's not our fault at all. Incubo did it, all by himself."

That's them throwing you under the bus, by asserting to the gm's that you were the only responsible party.

sorry you have stockholm syndrome.

hey look, another douche bag who doesn't understand how this game works

[Baler]

Do you even play on Blue?

I retired on blue having done all content.
I'm over on green since it's launch and yes I do actively play.

The reason I say rotation kills population is because it's true. People only log on when it's their guilds turn to raid. Atop that with no competition there is less demand for zerging.

Meaning your sweet 800+ pop on blue would be more like 200-500 avg. Until it's a guilds turn to raid and during their raid the pop would see a minor increase. Every other raid guild, mostly offline however. Plus when there is no raid target up, most raiders wouldn't bother logging in.

[Psyborg]

"It's not our fault at all. Incubo did it, all by himself."

That's them throwing you under the bus, by asserting to the gm's that you were the only responsible party.

sorry you have stockholm syndrome.

I'm sure he would agree that he was the only responsible party. He messed up but he isn't dense in the head. I'm not sure we can say the same for you as you continue to go on about this.

[xdrcfrx]

hey look, another douche bag who doesn't understand how this game works

triggered.

[pogs4ever]

so he violated PNP and got 7 day ban. seems like system working.

[xdrcfrx]

I'm sure he would agree that he was the only responsible party. He messed up but he isn't dense in the head. I'm not sure we can say the same for you as you continue to go on about this.

If he would agree he was the only responsible party, why the tears about the suspension, then? He's already conceded in other threads that he "never left, bro." so it seems like the actual punishment here was just that he couldn't play that one toon (or, others on the account I guess) for a week.

In your mind, what would be the appropriate consequence to recklessly training a dozen+ KOS mobs onto an entire raid of ~50 people, causing a total wipe? Remember,. since he was the *sole responsible party* according to his own raid leaders, raid mob concessions are not applicable.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

A 7 day suspension where the suspended person played the entire time is not crucifying anyone... yall have a warped sense of right and wrong

[Hotel]

so you think this is the gms fault for not agreeing with your petition?

interesting

[Ripqozko]

Yea im guessing the indefinite raid ban is gonna be 2 months or so based on the levels of toxicity.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Nope, GMs watched the footage and delt out punishment that they saw fit... the punishment was a joke personally but meh... id like to see permibans handed out for transgressions

[Hotel]

Nope, GMs watched the footage and delt out punishment that they saw fit... the punishment was a joke personally but meh... id like to see permibans handed out for transgressions

train a guild by mistake, permabanned

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Just like live

[Croco]

...by mistake...

Yeah it was just a mistake. He definitely wasn't told before hand not to do it and went anyways.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Nono, the mistake was kittens being in the zone! Not the train itself... it must have been everyone else's fault!

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

If kittens "knew their place" this wouldn't be a problem!

[Hotel]

so just to understand what you guys think happened

you think that he saw an opportunity to carry out like some kind of vengeance or something?

[pogs4ever]

if thats the case we would have asked a 7 day raid suspension and perma ban (which we did not) as is the precedent for intentional trains.

[Baler]

The only thing I'm seeing is guild leaders and officers failing to make the hard calls for the health of their guild. And now y'all cant raid. Slow Clap.

[Hrothgar]

Just like live

None of you asshats have any clue what live is like, and it lives in your head like a first kiss from a girl that was just experimenting and didn’t actually like you.

[Hotel]

if thats the case we would have asked a 7 day raid suspension and perma ban (which we did not) as is the precedent for intentional trains.

so if you don't think it was intentional then it has to be a mistake

or am I still just not getting it?

[pogs4ever]

yah you arent getting it. you kill someone on accident you get a lesser punishment, you kill someone on purpose you go to jail. you dont get nothing.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Some of us did all this on live... progression raiding, original ST, server first through multiple expansions... and just don't want to do it anymore? Don't speak on what people have done unless you know them

[Hotel]

yah you arent getting it. you kill someone on accident you get a lesser punishment, you kill someone on purpose you go to jail. you dont get nothing.

so you're upset the gms didn't give your more stuff?

[eezl]

I think Incubo trained dragons on us at West exit, after leadership said "thats not a good idea", and he said "idc" while he was trying to get to DN so you could kill Zlandicar. Your guild wiped us, offered rez assistance with a small crew TWENTY minutes later while killing Zlandi (after training us), and then offer to us less than meaningful concessions, while also taking tunare from Riot because they are actually cool bro's who don't mind helping with a CR cuz they know how to PR. They obviously knew how shitty you guys acted, and proved themselves to be at least 1 iota not as fucking terrible human beings as you. Please let us know if you think this went down differently.

[pogs4ever]

the lesser punishment in this case was a concession yelinak for ruining our quake. should have been an easy call to me.

[pogs4ever]

im not upset hotel, im responding to AG/F's posts. this is all old news several cycles ago.

[Hotel]

i'm sorry the gms don't agree with you and didn't give you more free stuff

maybe the good guys at riot will help you on the next yelinak if you ask

[xdrcfrx]

maybe the good guys at riot will help you on the next yelinak if you ask

next yelinak looking like is going to be kwsm solo, because the remaining unsuspended guilds have pretty quickly figured out how to co-exist with each other, mostly nicely.

funny that.

[Hotel]

agreed, things worked themselves out nicely

too bad those good guys over at riot can't raid though

they are the real victims in all of this

[eezl]

lol hotel, are you an angry ex, or a REALLY angry ex?

[xdrcfrx]

honestly? the real victims are the rank-and-file members of the suspended guilds who don't really have a ton to do with the inter-guild drama that resulted in the suspension, but are still iced out of playing the game the way they usually do with the people they usually do. I know cool folks in all 3 guilds, so it's not like I think all (or, even most really) AG / F players are at fault or should just be permanently exiled off the server.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Exactly... the people who are caught in between a bunch of spoiled children who can't share their toys are the real vicitims

[Fammaden]

Menden even apologized to those members, but the thing would have no teeth if he'd only suspended the leaders. They could just VPN and play shared accounts no problem. Plus you would think that would give all three guilds more motivation to start agreeing.

[Ennewi]

honestly? the real victims are the rank-and-file members of the suspended guilds who don't really have a ton to do with the inter-guild drama that resulted in the suspension, but are still iced out of playing the game the way they usually do with the people they usually do. I know cool folks in all 3 guilds, so it's not like I think all (or, even most really) AG / F players are at fault or should just be permanently exiled off the server.

[Ripqozko]

The real victims are those that don't raid and have their camps perma camped now. Please go back to raiding, thanks in advance.

[Psyborg]

If he would agree he was the only responsible party, why the tears about the suspension, then? He's already conceded in other threads that he "never left, bro." so it seems like the actual punishment here was just that he couldn't play that one toon (or, others on the account I guess) for a week.

In your mind, what would be the appropriate consequence to recklessly training a dozen+ KOS mobs onto an entire raid of ~50 people, causing a total wipe? Remember,. since he was the *sole responsible party* according to his own raid leaders, raid mob concessions are not applicable.

Shit happens. We've all been trained by Lavittz before without suspensions being handed down. Incubo should have been benched for a cycle or two. He didn't do it on purpose but there was a level of negligence.

[Ennewi]

The real victims are those that don't raid and have their camps perma camped now. Please go back to raiding, thanks in advance.

Sorry you didn't get Goblin Warder loot.

[xdrcfrx]

Shit happens. We've all been trained by Lavittz before without suspensions being handed down. Incubo should have been benched for a cycle or two. He didn't do it on purpose but there was a level of negligence.

Isn't that what happened, though? Incubo was benched for 7 days, and GM's decided that the concessions offered by AG / F were enough such that no additional concessions or zone-wide suspensions were imposed.

I don't think KWSM's petition in this case was frivolous.

[Incubo]

sounds like Kittens wanted me perma-banned. Toxic.

I've been on the server on and off since 2011. This is my first infraction. You were barely a blip on the radar when TMO ran the server in Kunark and you are still just a blip on the radar now. Except now you emit too much toxicity for how little you contribute or participate in end game.

[xdrcfrx]

Toxic.




i.imgur.com/gallery/DNeJ7

[xdrcfrx]

bah, i dont forum good. you get the idea.

[Psyborg]

Isn't that what happened, though? Incubo was benched for 7 days, and GM's decided that the concessions offered by AG / F were enough such that no additional concessions or zone-wide suspensions were imposed.

I don't think KWSM's petition in this case was frivolous.

The fact that they could not come to mediation agreement despite numerous offers is what makes it frivolous. Asking that FR/AG is banned from TOV for the next cycle/quake is what makes it frivolous.

[xdrcfrx]

The fact that they could not come to mediation agreement despite numerous offers is what makes it frivolous. Asking that FR/AG is banned from TOV for the next cycle/quake is what makes it frivolous.

friv·o·lous
/ˈfrivələs/
adjective
not having any serious purpose or value.

well, 1 offer anyways. guilds in the past have been issued zone-wide suspensions for training. this was the appropriate result that a lot of KWSM thought should be applied given the severity and obvious recklessness of the train. Obviously AG / F felt differently. Just because we had to turn to the judge because we couldn't settle in mediation doesn't make the dispute frivolous. It's not frivolous to be wrong, which the GM's clarified we were w/r/t expectations for the consequences of that train. No big.

[Croco]

frivolous

I think the word you're looking for here is consequential.

[kanis999]

Riot has several ex officers from kittens.

And I consider those people sellouts and traitors.

[Psyborg]

I think the word you're looking for here is consequential.

GMs clearly disagreed with you here.

[xdrcfrx]

they also decided sua sponte to suspend Incubo all on their own. So maybe ask him to climb down off that cross that those mean mean kittens put him on?

[Caball]

Welcome to end game raiding. Most of you sound so petty and immersed, try show this thread to anyone who doesn’t play this game and is a normal human being and they will probably think a lot of people here are acting like entitled twats. I’ve raided hardcore here for a year and 1/2, done every pull/train up/fight played every class. Shit like this happens almost every week, get over it. Maybe you can see how the raid scene can become toxic when people just cannot move past obvious mistakes and continue to hold grudges for YEARS against others in a small community where everyone just wants to play a game they loved from childhood/teenagers years. Learn to let things go and maybe take a break here and there, you’ll be much happier.

Funny watching these smaller guilds have so much hate in their hearts already, and you’ve only experienced a small portion of raid content on an infrequent basis. Maybe you can see how the toxicity can build up between people who raid against eachother multiple days a week for years. Grow up and if you find yourself posting in RnF continuously take a step back from this game and find something else to make you happy for awhile. The raid scene has never been a happy go lucky feel good place and it absolutely never will because people play here to compete. Seems nice after one week of the “hardcores” gone but soon enough all those casual players will become the hardcore ones given the chance and vacancy, you are no better than anyone else get off your high horses. If you can’t deal with that you’re playing on the wrong server. Cheers

[Hotel]

Welcome to end game raiding. Most of you sound so petty and immersed, try show this thread to anyone who doesn’t play this game and is a normal human being and they will probably think a lot of people here are acting like entitled twats. I’ve raided hardcore here for a year and 1/2, done every pull/train up/fight played every class. Shit like this happens almost every week, get over it. Maybe you can see how the raid scene can become toxic when people just cannot move past obvious mistakes and continue to hold grudges for YEARS against others in a small community where everyone just wants to play a game they loved from childhood/teenagers years. Learn to let things go and maybe take a break here and there, you’ll be much happier.

Funny watching these smaller guilds have so much hate in their hearts already, and you’ve only experienced a small portion of raid content on an infrequent basis. Maybe you can see how the toxicity can build up between people who raid against eachother multiple days a week for years. Grow up and if you find yourself posting in RnF continuously take a step back from this game and find something else to make you happy for awhile. The raid scene has never been a happy go lucky feel good place and it absolutely never will because people play here to compete. Seems nice after one week of the “hardcores” gone but soon enough all those casual players will become the hardcore ones given the chance and vacancy, you are no better than anyone else get off your high horses. If you can’t deal with that you’re playing on the wrong server. Cheers

good post, cheers mate

[reznor_]

Welcome to end game raiding. Most of you sound so petty and immersed, try show this thread to anyone who doesn’t play this game and is a normal human being and they will probably think a lot of people here are acting like entitled twats. I’ve raided hardcore here for a year and 1/2, done every pull/train up/fight played every class. Shit like this happens almost every week, get over it. Maybe you can see how the raid scene can become toxic when people just cannot move past obvious mistakes and continue to hold grudges for YEARS against others in a small community where everyone just wants to play a game they loved from childhood/teenagers years. Learn to let things go and maybe take a break here and there, you’ll be much happier.

Funny watching these smaller guilds have so much hate in their hearts already, and you’ve only experienced a small portion of raid content on an infrequent basis. Maybe you can see how the toxicity can build up between people who raid against eachother multiple days a week for years. Grow up and if you find yourself posting in RnF continuously take a step back from this game and find something else to make you happy for awhile. The raid scene has never been a happy go lucky feel good place and it absolutely never will because people play here to compete. Seems nice after one week of the “hardcores” gone but soon enough all those casual players will become the hardcore ones given the chance and vacancy, you are no better than anyone else get off your high horses. If you can’t deal with that you’re playing on the wrong server. Cheers

Good post

[xdrcfrx]

Welcome to end game raiding. Most of you sound so petty and immersed, try show this thread to anyone who doesn’t play this game and is a normal human being and they will probably think a lot of people here are acting like entitled twats. I’ve raided hardcore here for a year and 1/2, done every pull/train up/fight played every class. Shit like this happens almost every week, get over it. Maybe you can see how the raid scene can become toxic when people just cannot move past obvious mistakes and continue to hold grudges for YEARS against others in a small community where everyone just wants to play a game they loved from childhood/teenagers years. Learn to let things go and maybe take a break here and there, you’ll be much happier.

Funny watching these smaller guilds have so much hate in their hearts already, and you’ve only experienced a small portion of raid content on an infrequent basis. Maybe you can see how the toxicity can build up between people who raid against eachother multiple days a week for years. Grow up and if you find yourself posting in RnF continuously take a step back from this game and find something else to make you happy for awhile. The raid scene has never been a happy go lucky feel good place and it absolutely never will because people play here to compete. Seems nice after one week of the “hardcores” gone but soon enough all those casual players will become the hardcore ones given the chance and vacancy, you are no better than anyone else get off your high horses. If you can’t deal with that you’re playing on the wrong server. Cheers

KWSM pretty well over it at this point - it's the AG / F folks who are still Very Concerned (tm).

I say lets test out your hypothesis. How long should you all stay suspended before KWSM / TSS / DB / AEGIS / LH are at each other's throats?

[reznor_]

KWSM pretty well over it at this point - it's the AG / F folks who are still Very Concerned (tm).

I say lets test out your hypothesis. How long should you all stay suspended before KWSM / TSS / DB / AEGIS / LH are at each other's throats?

But that would mean Riot stays suspended too. We can’t have that.

[Croco]

Welcome to end game raiding. Most of you *who are in the banned guilds* sound so petty and immersed, try show this thread to anyone who doesn’t play this game and is a normal human being and they will probably think a lot of people here *who are currently raid banned* are acting like entitled twats. I’ve raided hardcore here for a year and 1/2, done every pull/train up/fight played every class. Shit like this happens almost every week *and we're so pixel hungry we can't be bothered to git gud or act like normal compassionate people when these weekly occurrences happen, so we suggest you get over it because we don't give a fuck about how many of you we've killed as long as we get to loot our BiS pixels on our 7th alts*. Maybe you can see how the raid scene can become toxic when people just cannot *let us get away with constantly wasting peoples time who play in other guilds so we can get those precious pixels we so crave* and continue to hold grudges for YEARS against others in a small community where everyone just wants to play a game *as long as we get everything we want and you get nothing, or get something we don't actually care about because you're casual scum and we're the best*. Learn to *let us do what we want and act like we want and get away with everything we want* and maybe take a break here and there *so we can get even easier pixels every now and then*, you’ll be much happier *not getting trained by us and dealing with our shit all the time*.

Funny watching these smaller guilds have so much *goodwill and cooperation with each other really showing the banned people how good the server community and raid scene can be* and you’ve only experienced a small portion of raid content on an infrequent basis. Maybe you can see how the toxicity can build up between people who raid against eachother multiple days a week for years *when gm's do nothing to dissuade the toxic behavior and give us the time outs we desperately need and cry out for with our actions*. *The guilds in time out need to* grow up and if you find yourself posting in RnF continuously take a step back from this game and find something else to make you happy for awhile. The raid scene has never been a happy go lucky feel good place *but it could be, and the server would be all the better for it because people play here for a variety of reasons and not just for hardcore competition*. Seems nice after one week of the “hardcores” gone but soon enough *you guys will begin to forget all about those hardcore players and really just enjoy your time in norrath a lot more to the point where you wondered why couldn't it have just been like this the whole time*. If you can’t deal with that you’re playing on the wrong server. Cheers

FTFY

[Psyborg]

FTFY

You quite literally proved his point with your petty reply.

[Croco]

You quite literally proved his point with your petty reply.

Oh man did r&f put a moratorium on petty posts this week or are the hardcore competition mongers the only ones who get to post like that? Sorry pot I must have missed where they made that rule telling all the kettles they had to refrain.

[Hotel]

Oh man did r&f put a moratorium on petty posts this week or are the hardcore competition mongers the only ones who get to post like that? Sorry pot I must have missed where they made that rule telling all the kettles they had to refrain.

for someone wearing black panther skin you talk a lot

[Psyborg]

Oh man did r&f put a moratorium on petty posts this week or are the hardcore competition mongers the only ones who get to post like that? Sorry pot I must have missed where they made that rule telling all the kettles they had to refrain.

You know what, you're absolutely right. Per Galach, the only moratorium on the kittens of the world is in the UN suspension workshop channel.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Lol the one where he tells us we aren't the problem? Yall are? That one?

[xdrcfrx]

haters just salty that instead of being able to laugh at the casuals for not being able to kill vyemm and vulak, instead they're having to reevaluate their life choices and priorities. Maybe spending 36-48 hours shitting in a sock so that you don't miss out on pixels was't, ultimately, a healthy choice.

[Psyborg]

Lol the one where he tells us we aren't the problem? Yall are? That one?

Yes, also the one that says we are the ones with skin in the game.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Lol its awesome that yall think that.. it just goes to show the inflated egos that exist among the " big 3 " i cant even type that with a straight face lolol... go get some sun and time away from the computer man... it will do you some good

[Croco]

for someone wearing black panther skin you talk a lot

Lol you must have the wrong monk my friend, I haven't had any bps gear in a long while.

I do walk tall and carry a big shovel though.

[Psyborg]

Lol its awesome that yall think that.. it just goes to show the inflated egos that exist among the " big 3 " i cant even type that with a straight face lolol... go get some sun and time away from the computer man... it will do you some good

I think you misunderstood me. I meant that we are the only 3 that have skin in the game in the sense that we are banned and want to exit this ban swiftly.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Ahh that makes more sense.. and I agree with you.. but I also don't think this ban is going to end any time soon lol

[titanshub]

You guys are killing me. All this stuff is in the petition and defense. Go read it and make up your own mind. The petition was agreed upon to settle this issue via the GM's so we could move forward with our elf lives. We are all currently failing at the considering this matter closed and the moving on with our lives parts.

https://i.imgur.com/YZvaI20.jpg

[unleashedd]

legalize trains. PnP is for Fortniters