RTE Practice

[Zipity]

In today riot has 16 members RTEing mobs out of window in ST! Is it the koolaid or are they perhaps practicing how to RTE?

[Nexii]

I took a nap and was pleasantly surprised not to get batphoned awake

[Drakborn]

Yeah, shit happens. The real primals were the friends we made along the way.

[Psyborg]

And a good time as had by all.

[Zipity]

Did you guys all still get DKP for the unwarranted camp out? Asking for friend

[Dugface]

Is this Wallicker?

[Zipity]

The real Wallicker or the real Zipity? We were neighbors and shared toons but he has since beaten Everquest by getting married, upgrading jobs and quitting the matrix. If you really must know, I now have control of his toons and forum account to try and better or worsen his reputation - all is still up in the air.

[Zipity]

I will however leave you with this quote:

“•We were asked by Riot Leadership not to mock or taunt Riot members regarding their performance the past two cycles.PLEASE DO NOT BE TOXIC to <Riot>“

I think the management thinks some of y’all are too soft.

[Psyborg]

I will however leave you with this quote:

“•We were asked by Riot Leadership not to mock or taunt Riot members regarding their performance the past two cycles.PLEASE DO NOT BE TOXIC to <Riot>“

I think the management thinks some of y’all are too soft.

Juicy if true.

[Zipity]

Juicy if true.

Ummm I put quotation marks it’s true duh. 🤣

[Toryas]

Imagine having a group of people in a video have so much real estate in your head that you post 3 threads in RnF in less than a fortnight. Obsession can be a mental illness Zipity, it's ok to not be ok and to need to ask for help.

[baakss]

The real Wallicker or the real Zipity? We were neighbors and shared toons but he has since beaten Everquest by getting married, upgrading jobs and quitting the matrix. If you really must know, I now have control of his toons and forum account to try and better or worsen his reputation - all is still up in the air.

Supposedly using Zipity’s rl picture and Wallicker’s Discord handle, which you modified to pretend that you’re Zipity.

You’re a freaky guy for sure, whoever you are.

[Zipity]

Supposedly using Zipity’s rl picture and Wallicker’s Discord handle, which you modified to pretend that you’re Zipity.

You’re a freaky guy for sure, whoever you are.

What lol? Digging deep now!

[baakss]

What lol? Digging deep now!

You know all your old Discord posts are still in Discord servers that you've left? It's a matter of record that your Discord account was originally Wallicker.

Changing the name to Zipity doesn't remove all that context.

And that's how you applied to Riot. You were rejected on the basis of you pretending to be someone you're not.

That's a creepy reason for rejection. As far as I know, you're the only one who has ever qualified for that.

[Zipity]

You know all your old Discord posts are still in Discord servers that you've left? It's a matter of record that your Discord account was originally Wallicker.

Changing the name to Zipity doesn't remove all that context.

And that's how you applied to Riot. You were rejected on the basis of you pretending to be someone you're not.

That's a creepy reason for rejection. As far as I know, you're the only one who has ever qualified for that.

I am quite aware of how discord works. You seem to be confused by what sharing an account means. Whatever you want to spin to keep yourself going. Honestly I am happy in the guild I’m in, rather be on an upward trajectory vs the one riot is on.

[Uuruk]

reply here if you still care about a server where velious has been out for 5 years.

[baakss]

I am quite aware of how discord works. You seem to be confused by what sharing an account means.

To you... sharing an account means pretending to actually be the original person when communicating with his old pals?

Yikes.

[Psyborg]

You know all your old Discord posts are still in Discord servers that you've left? It's a matter of record that your Discord account was originally Wallicker.

Changing the name to Zipity doesn't remove all that context.

And that's how you applied to Riot. You were rejected on the basis of you pretending to be someone you're not.

That's a creepy reason for rejection. As far as I know, you're the only one who has ever qualified for that.

Is it possible he did something to the original Zipity and assumed his identity? This is like an episode of Murder She Wrote.

[xdrcfrx]

It's just a total coincidence that the culture of elf-litigation lawyerquesting, petitions, and overall pettiness, which was mostly dormant for nearly a year, happened to make a quick and speedy resurgence at the same time that AM 5.0 (now with more <Freedom>!) formed up. Surely, we can't link the two things. We can add to that coincidence that practice of coming to the forums to gloat about being super awesome at a videogame from the Clinton era, and of complaining about how not-awesome another group of elf-nerds is.

We're all so glad you're back, helping to make P99 a positive, healthy experience.

[Zipity]

I will hand it you guys you sure know how to derail a thread quickly!

Really though how long were you guys fielding 10+ RTEing A mob that was never gonna show up? Also why would your guild leader think this is necessary?

I will however leave you with this quote:

“•We were asked by Riot Leadership not to mock or taunt Riot members regarding their performance the past two cycles.PLEASE DO NOT BE TOXIC to <Riot>“

I think the management thinks some of y’all are too soft.

[Fammaden]

It's just a total coincidence that the culture of elf-litigation lawyerquesting, petitions, and overall pettiness, which was mostly dormant for nearly a year, happened to make a quick and speedy resurgence at the same time that AM 5.0 (now with more <Freedom>!) formed up. Surely, we can't link the two things. We can add to that coincidence that practice of coming to the forums to gloat about being super awesome at a videogame from the Clinton era, and of complaining about how not-awesome another group of elf-nerds is.

We're all so glad you're back, helping to make P99 a positive, healthy experience.

Please provide the statistics on how many petitions each raid entity has submitted in the last month?

[xdrcfrx]

Please provide the statistics on how many petitions each raid entity has submitted in the last month?

"Nah."
-Incubo, 2020

[baakss]

Is it possible he did something to the original Zipity and assumed his identity? This is like an episode of Murder She Wrote.

OP is the elf simulator version of Buffalo Bill.

[xdrcfrx]

OP is the elf simulator version of Buffalo Bill.

It puts the pixels on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

[Dreenk317]

It puts the pixels on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

It cares to much about people being unhappy with riot?

[Psyborg]

It's just a total coincidence that the culture of elf-litigation lawyerquesting, petitions, and overall pettiness, which was mostly dormant for nearly a year, happened to make a quick and speedy resurgence at the same time that AM 5.0 (now with more <Freedom>!) formed up. Surely, we can't link the two things. We can add to that coincidence that practice of coming to the forums to gloat about being super awesome at a videogame from the Clinton era, and of complaining about how not-awesome another group of elf-nerds is.

We're all so glad you're back, helping to make P99 a positive, healthy experience.

I love that you're going to pretend that the last 1.5 years has been some terrific experience on p99 for people who raid outside of Riot. Outside of the first month or two, Riot leadership has let the guild become a toxic entity.

There is another total coincidence that has also correlated with a higher frequency of petitions: Riot, for the first time in its existence, is losing some cycles and are bitter as fuck over it. Instead of the leadership in Riot stepping up and welcoming the competition they are filing 18 page legal briefs for why they have been wronged. I've seen some of them, and I'm still reeling from the cringe.

As always, Riot membership are generally cool as fuck. Riot leadership is failing its members and the server.

[Akg49]

Everyone, calm your titties!

[xdrcfrx]

I love that you're going to pretend that the last 1.5 years has been some terrific experience on p99 for people who raid outside of Riot. Outside of the first month or two, Riot leadership has let the guild become a toxic entity.

There is another total coincidence that has also correlated with a higher frequency of petitions: Riot, for the first time in its existence, is losing some cycles and are bitter as fuck over it. Instead of the leadership in Riot stepping up and welcoming the competition they are filing 18 page legal briefs for why they have been wronged. I've seen some of them, and I'm still reeling from the cringe.

As always, Riot membership are generally cool as fuck. Riot leadership is failing its members and the server.

I'm not in Riot, and I can say pretty unequivocally that raiding was better after AM fucked off to go on permanent BBQ sabbatical, and has been worse since they've come back.

Example: Post-Green release, during the late fall 2019/early winter 2020, mobs like Eashen, and Ikkatiar were left untouched so other guilds could take a shot at learning the encounters, and even (heavens forbid) get some loot that would otherwise be unattainable.

Meanwhile, the first thing that <guild> did when it came back was trash the first golem race agreement, and snipe the sunday-afternoon Vindi that had been left up for (at the time Stream Team) for months. He's not a raid mob, after all - kiting him around for 10+ minutes to deny Stream Team was a mature, adult, thing to do.

I'm not , pretending Riot is without fault - they're certainly not. The zerg, being hungry, had a tendency to inhale almost everything. They can be condescending. They acted like they were benevolently dispensing favors when they would deign to let someone else have a thing. But the outsider's perspective is that they were more of a good-faith operator than <whatever you're calling yourselves these days>. The fact that in the face of that perception your reaction is essentially to say "no u," is telling.

Here's hoping Kunark on green draws you all back for BBQ round 2.

[Fammaden]

Let me guess, you're in Kittens.

[reznor_]

inb4 another "led by wolves" post

[xdrcfrx]

which has what to do with the point here, that

I know plenty of folks in AG, in Riot, and in Freedom even, that are perfectly fine people (some even are very cool(tm), and/or I consider friends, such as it is). I'm also not complaining about increased competition, or what have you. The week that AG and Riot were banned from ToV and we raced <Ghxst> or whatever they were at the time, was super fun even though we lost all those races. We got good experience out of it - I even enjoyed the two Vulak's we teamed up for (at least we got some of that loot; grats TSS/DB/Lighthouse on pop rolls lol). Getting the second one, just as Riot was zoning in? Delicious.

But you all act like giant incorrigible dicks and then blame everyone else for the culture that creates, and have been doing it for a very long time. Case in point: this very thread, the 3rd posted by the same member in the span of about a week, gloating that you made a couple dozen people waste a bunch of time. Congrats, I guess?

[Zipity]

Wasn’t ST rotated at some point? That must have been great.

[aaezil]

Lol kiting the vindi that was left up for stream team classic douchebag moments

[Psyborg]

I'm not in Riot, and I can say pretty unequivocally that raiding was better after AM fucked off to go on permanent BBQ sabbatical, and has been worse since they've come back.

Example: Post-Green release, during the late fall 2019/early winter 2020, mobs like Eashen, and Ikkatiar were left untouched so other guilds could take a shot at learning the encounters, and even (heavens forbid) get some loot that would otherwise be unattainable.

Meanwhile, the first thing that <guild> did when it came back was trash the first golem race agreement, and snipe the sunday-afternoon Vindi that had been left up for (at the time Stream Team) for months. He's not a raid mob, after all - kiting him around for 10+ minutes to deny Stream Team was a mature, adult, thing to do.

I'm not , pretending Riot is without fault - they're certainly not. The zerg, being hungry, had a tendency to inhale almost everything. They can be condescending. They acted like they were benevolently dispensing favors when they would deign to let someone else have a thing. But the outsider's perspective is that they were more of a good-faith operator than <whatever you're calling yourselves these days>. The fact that in the face of that perception your reaction is essentially to say "no u," is telling.

Here's hoping Kunark on green draws you all back for BBQ round 2.


Freedom has every interest in making this environment a fun and competitive place to play, especially for smaller guilds. I don't believe Freedom competing with you for Vindi has become a regular thing, nor would it. Riot not giving you free attempts at Eashen and Ikatiar is definitely something you should take up with them, however.

If Stream Team would ever like to work with Freedom on anything hit me up. We would love to find a way to mend that Vindi and more. What sort of day time EST availability does Stream Team have?

[Grox]

Still got more mobs then your alliance thing, with less people

[Fingurs]

Still got more mobs then your alliance thing, with less people

Stats.

[Detoxx]

It's just a total coincidence that the culture of elf-litigation lawyerquesting, petitions, and overall pettiness, which was mostly dormant for nearly a year, happened to make a quick and speedy resurgence at the same time that AM 5.0 (now with more <Freedom>!) formed up. Surely, we can't link the two things. We can add to that coincidence that practice of coming to the forums to gloat about being super awesome at a videogame from the Clinton era, and of complaining about how not-awesome another group of elf-nerds is.

We're all so glad you're back, helping to make P99 a positive, healthy experience.

You are aware that there was no litigation because there was no one competing with you right? As soon as competition arose, you guys have been slamming petitions left and right. We have written like 2 petitions against Riot and they have written about 9 against us.

This is what happens when you get scared and start losing. You then resort to petitioning in hopes that you can rebuild morale with free kills.

[Fammaden]

which has what to do with the point here, that

I know plenty of folks in AG, in Riot, and in Freedom even, that are perfectly fine people (some even are very cool(tm), and/or I consider friends, such as it is). I'm also not complaining about increased competition, or what have you. The week that AG and Riot were banned from ToV and we raced <Ghxst> or whatever they were at the time, was super fun even though we lost all those races. We got good experience out of it - I even enjoyed the two Vulak's we teamed up for (at least we got some of that loot; grats TSS/DB/Lighthouse on pop rolls lol). Getting the second one, just as Riot was zoning in? Delicious.

But you all act like giant incorrigible dicks and then blame everyone else for the culture that creates, and have been doing it for a very long time. Case in point: this very thread, the 3rd posted by the same member in the span of about a week, gloating that you made a couple dozen people waste a bunch of time. Congrats, I guess?

So your complaint boils down to a handful of Freedomers like to talk shit and troll on RnF, a forum which no one is forcing you to read?

Because I'd agree, Riot's reign has been exactly like AM's with the exception that they don't come talk mad shit on this board every week like that. In game its been effectively the exact same situation, maybe felt a bit worse for a while in some ways due to the initial surge of interest in green late last year. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

But you initially made some vague claims that Freedom has made the raid scene in game more toxic, which I don't really see. Its the same shit its always been, with a new balance of power and divisions in the playerbase.

[xdrcfrx]

Freedom has every interest in making this environment a fun and competitive place to play, especially for smaller guilds. I don't believe Freedom competing with you for Vindi has become a regular thing, nor would it. Riot not giving you free attempts at Eashen and Ikatiar is definitely something you should take up with them, however.

If Stream Team would ever like to work with Freedom on anything hit me up. We would love to find a way to mend that Vindi and more. What sort of day time EST availability does Stream Team have?

Well, you'll have to ask them that, I'm not in <Lighthouse>. That Vindi was just an early, obvious, example of the kind of behavior I'm talking about here. I don't recall the exact timeline, but memory says that <guild> hadn't even been around for an entire week when that happened. Old habits die hard, I guess.

I feel like you didn't read very well. Riot (and AG, for that matter and for whatever it's worth) did allow for some uncontested shots at mobs in ToV, including Eashen and Ikatiar. The free attempts at the mobs is kind of besides the point, though. It's just meant to be an example which demonstrates why, despite all its many faults Riot's time as the #1 guild was better for most of the server. Pretty sure AG's end of that bargain was to get all of VP uncontested that cycle. What are the odds in the current climate of an agreement like that taking shape again? Pretty bad, I'd say. FFS, we can't even agree on how not to make ring wars awful.

Sure, though. Everyone is equally to blame, of course. It's pure coincidence that these things happen when and how they do.

[Detoxx]

Still got more mobs then your alliance thing, with less people

You might wanna check those numbers again.

[xdrcfrx]

So your complaint boils down to a handful of Freedomers like to talk shit and troll on RnF, a forum which no one is forcing you to read?

Because I'd agree, Riot's reign has been exactly like AM's with the exception that they don't come talk mad shit on this board every week like that. In game its been effectively the exact same situation, maybe felt a bit worse for a while in some ways due to the initial surge of interest in green late last year. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

But you initially made some vague claims that Freedom has made the raid scene in game more toxic, which I don't really see. Its the same shit its always been, with a new balance of power and divisions in the playerbase.

I'm not making vague claims that Freedom has maid the raid scene more toxic, I am saying it outright, and have provided examples. The shitposting on RnF is certainly more entertaining with you all back, but that's about the only thing that is.

[Psyborg]

You might wanna check those numbers again.

He's right actually. There are hundreds of mobs in Fear and Growth.

[xdrcfrx]

You are aware that there was no litigation because there was no one competing with you right? As soon as competition arose, you guys have been slamming petitions left and right. We have written like 2 petitions against Riot and they have written about 9 against us.

This is what happens when you get scared and start losing. You then resort to petitioning in hopes that you can rebuild morale with free kills.

Who is "you" here? I'm not in Riot.

[Detoxx]

Who is "you" here? I'm not in Riot.

Oh my mistake, no one knows who you are.

[Psyborg]

I'm not making vague claims that Freedom has maid the raid scene more toxic, I am saying it outright, and have provided examples. The shitposting on RnF is certainly more entertaining with you all back, but that's about the only thing that is.

You gave an example where Freedom leapfrogged you on a Vindi. I've offered to work with you to make that right.

You also complained that Riot is no longer giving you free cracks at Eashen and Ikatiar. Seems more fair to hold that against them than Freedom.

[xdrcfrx]

Oh my mistake, no one knows who you are.

Oh no. My ego is shattered.

[Fammaden]

I'm not making vague claims that Freedom has maid the raid scene more toxic, I am saying it outright, and have provided examples. The shitposting on RnF is certainly more entertaining with you all back, but that's about the only thing that is.

You have made exactly two specific claims repeatedly. That Ghxst shit all over a Vindi outside of the usual Sunday agreement. Note that this is Ghxst not Freedom and was under very different and apparently less focused and more disorganized leadership.

Secondly that at some point Kittens and other guilds were gifted attempts on a couple NToV mobs, but that appears to have been as much due to the population crash on blue than who was the top raid guild at the time.

I guess you're also adding in rotations now but why the rotations got nuked varies by who you ask. Again, Ghxst were being shitbags with RW and ST and that sucks that it led to the situation that we have now. But Ghxst isn't Freedom they are very different entities which should be clear by now, despite the membership they share. Regardless of the initial catalyst for ditching rotations, it is fully Riot that's currently refusing to consider rotating again as I understand it (not a UN rep or anything).

[xdrcfrx]

You gave an example where Freedom leapfrogged you on a Vindi. I've offered to work with you to make that right.

You also complained that Riot is no longer giving you free cracks at Eashen and Ikatiar. Seems more fair to hold that against them than Freedom.

you get like a 2/10 for reading comprehension. ouch.

[Fammaden]

Was it Freedom on the Vindi thing? I thought that dated back to Ghxst, could be wrong about that.

[Ripqozko]

Vindi not a raid mob, hope that helps.

[Nathaniel]

It's just a total coincidence that the culture of elf-litigation lawyerquesting, petitions, and overall pettiness, which was mostly dormant for nearly a year, happened to make a quick and speedy resurgence at the same time that AM 5.0 (now with more <Freedom>!) formed up. Surely, we can't link the two things. We can add to that coincidence that practice of coming to the forums to gloat about being super awesome at a videogame from the Clinton era, and of complaining about how not-awesome another group of elf-nerds is.

We're all so glad you're back, helping to make P99 a positive, healthy experience.

All this AM 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and apparently Freedom is AM 5.0(?) coming from Riot members in various threads. I'm willing to bet that Riot has more ex-AM members than Freedom atm.

[Ripqozko]

All this AM 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and apparently Freedom is AM 5.0(?) coming from Riot members in various threads. I'm willing to bet that Riot has more ex-AM members than Freedom atm.

Dont forget the IB->Rampage->Awakened->Tempest->Core->Riot lineage. IB 5.0 confirmed.

[Grox]

He's giving an example of when riot gave them free mobs, not complaining, lol. Detox says that riot gave up mobs ( and it was alot more then just an eashen/ikky) because there was no competition but there were plenty of times Aftermath didn't have competition and how many mobs did you let the small guilds on the server have? ZERO. Btw your alliance partner AG has been here the whole time riot has.

[xdrcfrx]

You have made exactly two specific claims repeatedly. That Ghxst shit all over a Vindi outside of the usual Sunday agreement. Note that this is Ghxst not Freedom and was under very different and apparently less focused and more disorganized leadership.

Secondly that at some point Kittens and other guilds were gifted attempts on a couple NToV mobs, but that appears to have been as much due to the population crash on blue than who was the top raid guild at the time.

I guess you're also adding in rotations now but why the rotations got nuked varies by who you ask. Again, Ghxst were being shitbags with RW and ST and that sucks that it led to the situation that we have now. But Ghxst isn't Freedom they are very different entities which should be clear by now, despite the membership they share. Regardless of the initial catalyst for ditching rotations, it is fully Riot that's currently refusing to consider rotating again as I understand it (not a UN rep or anything).

You're the only one actually engaging substantively here, so +1. There doesn't appear to be a major different between Ghxst and Freedom, from the outside observer. The denial of this obvious fact is part of the point here. There's a pretty consistent through-line of leadership, and general membership, running from old-AM to the current Freedom. Adding a handful of disaffected Riot leadership doesn't really change that underlying dynamic. You guys still have the old AM guild bank, I presume?

The uncontested mobs that were agreed to at that time also are not the point in and of themselves. It just demonstrates that <R> was, in some ways, better to work with. If and when <F> decides that they are also willing to exercise some forbearance here and there, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong.

It might even be that Riot is the main party preventing a ring war agreement. I know when I've socked Badain they certainly seem content with the current status quo, so it's not like I hold them blameless. What's the <F> proposal for a ring war agreement?

For better or worse Riot acts/acted differently than you all do, and people make judgments accordingly.

[Psyborg]

you get like a 2/10 for reading comprehension. ouch.

You made it seem like the gravy train ended because Freedom came around. I see your followup explanation now.

[Ripqozko]

You're the only one actually engaging substantively here, so +1. There doesn't appear to be a major different between Ghxst and Freedom, from the outside observer. The denial of this obvious fact is part of the point here. There's a pretty consistent through-line of leadership, and general membership, running from old-AM to the current Freedom. Adding a handful of disaffected Riot leadership doesn't really change that underlying dynamic. You guys still have the old AM guild bank, I presume?

The uncontested mobs that were agreed to at that time also are not the point in and of themselves. It just demonstrates that <R> was, in some ways, better to work with. If and when <F> decides that they are also willing to exercise some forbearance here and there, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong.

It might even be that Riot is the main party preventing a ring war agreement. I know when I've socked Badain they certainly seem content with the current status quo, so it's not like I hold them blameless. What's the <F> proposal for a ring war agreement?

For better or worse Riot acts/acted differently than you all do, and people make judgments accordingly.

Sorry trump will win.

[Psyborg]

FFS, we can't even agree on how not to make ring wars awful.

Just so you're aware, the less toxic guild (Riot) you've been going on about is the singular entity that is preventing this. Freedom and AG both support some form of rotation (competitive rotation would be fun, but willing to look into anything). Riot is the reason the most recent agreement was dissolved.

[Psyborg]

What's the <F> proposal for a ring war agreement?

Pretty open really. Something that doesn't involve a ridiculous waste of time click fest above all else. I even think it would be great for the server to occasionally do a fully cooperative ring war. It's a unique event that is actually enjoyable and I see no reason why we couldn't, on occasion, enjoy it together. But click fests? That blame is squarely on the shoulders of Riot.

[xdrcfrx]

Pretty open really. Something that doesn't involve a ridiculous waste of time click fest above all else. I even think it would be great for the server to occasionally do a fully cooperative ring war. It's a unique event that is actually enjoyable and I see no reason why we couldn't, on occasion, enjoy it together. But click fests? That blame is squarely on the shoulders of Riot.

You may be right, like I said I don't hold them blameless. They are as greedy and as self interested as anyone, which isn't even necessarily a bad thing in a competitive environment. Flip side: they are at least pretty clear about what their issue with the prior agreement was, and why they backed out of it. My contracts professor used to say that "everything is a drafting problem," and I think that applies to why the last agreement broke down - there were some ambiguities that could be tightened up with another set of terms.

All we have from you guys is the assertion you're for an agreement, but no concrete terms on which to discuss. Really though, ring war should be its thread.

[xdrcfrx]

Sorry trump will win.

Lol, I've been saying that he'll win since 2017. We probably feel differently about what that means, though.

[sydbarrett25]

Pretty open really. Something that doesn't involve a ridiculous waste of time click fest above all else. I even think it would be great for the server to occasionally do a fully cooperative ring war. It's a unique event that is actually enjoyable and I see no reason why we couldn't, on occasion, enjoy it together. But click fests? That blame is squarely on the shoulders of Riot.

[Akg49]

Just so you're aware, the less toxic guild (Riot) you've been going on about is the singular entity that is preventing this. Freedom and AG both support some form of rotation (competitive rotation would be fun, but willing to look into anything). Riot is the reason the most recent agreement was dissolved.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha

AG/F was the only entity holding up a rotation proposal by Riot that would give all the casual guilds a shot at every single raid mob on a regular basis. Instead you lobby the GMs into turning every single raid target in the game into a Mario Kart race, which the casual guilds have still yet to participate in, in order to monopolize that content (until Riot comes in with prepared racers, Calm your Tittes)

[Dreenk317]

ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha

AG/F was the only entity holding up a rotation proposal by Riot that would give all the casual guilds a shot at every single raid mob on a regular basis. Instead you lobby the GMs into turning every single raid target in the game into a Mario Kart race, which the casual guilds have still yet to participate in, in order to monopolize that content (until Riot comes in with prepared racers, Calm your Tittes)

Are you trying to insinuate that <Riot> is a casual guild?

[Akg49]

Or have you hidden that proposal from your members, like you hide your raid comms from GMs?

[Psyborg]

Or have you hidden that proposal from your members, like you hide your raid comms from GMs?

What are you even on about? Arcler is sure spiking that koolaid.

[Ripqozko]

Or have you hidden that proposal from your members, like you hide your raid comms from GMs?

This is what <Riot> is like, join the delusion now.

[Akg49]

Sorry you don't have UN access.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don't have UN access.

Sorry you don't have warder loot.

[xdrcfrx]

This is what <Riot> is like, join the delusion now.

Didn't I see Ramen rocking a <Freedom> tag, but then I also Ripqozko with a <TSS> tag?

Watch out for those Vox double-FTE's, I guess.

[Twochain]

i don't even have a ST key. on any character.

[Ripqozko]

Didn't I see Ramen rocking a <Freedom> tag, but then I also Ripqozko with a <TSS> tag?

Watch out for those Vox double-FTE's, I guess.

Never saw me with a freedom tag I quit months ago and retired in tss, sorry you don't got warder loot .

[xdrcfrx]

, sorry you don't got warder loot .

Something to be said for consistency, at least. Roll tide.

[Ripqozko]

Something to be said for consistency, at least. Roll tide.

Roll tide

[Arcticflava]

Something to be said for consistency, at least. Roll tide.

He doesn't seem to realize he is only embarassing himself at this point, that or self humiliation was the goal all along.

[Ripqozko]

He doesn't seem to realize he is only embarassing himself at this point, that or self humiliation was the goal all along.

You sound like someone with no warder loot as well, sorry about that. tell me all about how you are winning the server.

[Viscere]

FUCK CAROLE BASKIN

[xdrcfrx]

FUCK CAROLE BASKIN

that bitch.

[Hideousclaw]

inb4 another "led by wolves" post

Cease and Desist order #2 this week:
13259

[Googi]

Carol baskin never did anything to anyone other then turn her rescue into a profitable business which tiger king just couldnt grasp

drugs + Walmart meat + murdering tigers and living in a trailer nope

[Detoxx]

He's giving an example of when riot gave them free mobs, not complaining, lol. Detox says that riot gave up mobs ( and it was alot more then just an eashen/ikky) because there was no competition but there were plenty of times Aftermath didn't have competition and how many mobs did you let the small guilds on the server have? ZERO. Btw your alliance partner AG has been here the whole time riot has.

Server only Open ToV crawl. AM Rotated Tunares, Ring Wars, Statues with 24 hour lockouts, Sleepers and were willing to rotate much more. Lean your facts, bud.

[Dogma]

Server only Open ToV crawl. AM Rotated Tunares, Ring Wars, Statues with 24 hour lockouts, Sleepers and were willing to rotate much more. Lean your facts, bud.That doesn't match your "Git gud" and "Compete" rhetoric.

Which is it? Rotate or Compete?

[Detoxx]

ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha

AG/F was the only entity holding up a rotation proposal by Riot that would give all the casual guilds a shot at every single raid mob on a regular basis. Instead you lobby the GMs into turning every single raid target in the game into a Mario Kart race, which the casual guilds have still yet to participate in, in order to monopolize that content (until Riot comes in with prepared racers, Calm your Tittes)

Oh you mean the rotation where Riot decided how many of each mob they could kill before they were not allowed to go for it the next time? You mean the one where they would kill 12 Vulaks and then not go for the 13th?

Lol yeah, Ill be sure to agree to that.

[Akg49]

Server only Open ToV crawl. AM Rotated Tunares, Ring Wars, Statues with 24 hour lockouts, Sleepers and were willing to rotate much more. Lean your facts, bud.

why'd you guys reject the Riot proposal that would allow casual guilds to kill just about every raid single raid target of a fairly regular basis?

[Akg49]

Oh you mean the rotation where Riot decided how many of each mob they could kill before they were not allowed to go for it the next time? You mean the one where they would kill 12 Vulaks and then not go for the 13th?

Lol yeah, Ill be sure to agree to that.

so what is your counter proposal, haven't seen one

[Akg49]

also, just so everyone in RnF is aware, I believe just about every casual guild was ready to sign on, only AG/F held it up. Greed is seems is strong in these guys.

[Detoxx]

That doesn't match your "Git gud" and "Compete" rhetoric.

Which is it? Rotate or Compete?

Rotate what makes sense. Its 5 years of Velious now. I am all about earning your keep but I also realize that when a game is stagnant that rotating shit like Ring Wars, Tunares, Zladicars, Yelinaks, all of Kunark is and would be better for everyone.

[Dogma]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332264 still on the table? You guys willing to sacrifice mobs not on the table?

How does Kittens feel about that?

[Akg49]

meanwhile they push Mario Kart races that have so far it seems only blocked casuals from content harder than ever. Kittens had just positioned their Kael coth mage, got their first Statue FTE/pull via Coth, then AG/F block them too with Mario Kart. Hilarious.

And now they can't even win them, which is the ridiculous thing.

Inb4 reeee, calm your titties.

[Akg49]

Oh you mean the rotation where Riot decided how many of each mob they could kill before they were not allowed to go for it the next time? You mean the one where they would kill 12 Vulaks and then not go for the 13th?

Lol yeah, Ill be sure to agree to that.

P99 community, witness, Detoxx Pixeldrunk is the only person standing in your way from getting 4+ Vulaks a year uncontested by Riot, AG, or Freedom.

hopefully he has a change of heart, someday.

[Dogma]

P99 community, witness, Detoxx Pixeldrunk is the only person standing in your way from getting 4+ Vulaks a year uncontested by Riot, AG, or Freedom.

hopefully he has a change of heart, someday.Heard he and Beef were voted Chaotic Evil in latest UN poll. Freedom being Neutral Evil popular vote.

[enjchanter]

Rotate what makes sense. Its 5 years of Velious now. I am all about earning your keep but I also realize that when a game is stagnant that rotating shit like Ring Wars, Tunares, Zladicars, Yelinaks, all of Kunark is and would be better for everyone.

[Hideousclaw]

meanwhile they push Mario Kart races that have so far it seems only blocked casuals from content harder than ever. Kittens had just positioned their Kael coth mage, got their first Statue FTE/pull via Coth, then AG/F block them too with Mario Kart. Hilarious.

And now they can't even win them, which is the ridiculous thing.

Inb4 reeee, calm your titties.

If this is in reference to the current meta in Kael, AG/F didnt ask for the removal of CotH racing. AG is actually still in favor of it, but its been killed by staff

[Akg49]

sure, no reason to push Mario Kart though, can easily make it an actual Everquest encounter, where you kill it in its lair, like Zlandi or whatever. Mario Kart has been, has always been, the dumbest way to contest anything on this server. You could also just make it that the Cothee has to zone in on spawn before COTH.

The only real answer to anything in p99 in 2020, almost 2021 is rotation. A very generous rotation, that still allowed a lot of competition, was put out there, and somehow vetoed by two guilds, that really should be considered one, since Freedom has essentially never killed any mobs on their own.

Crickets from Detoxx btw. He's probably off listening to country music. Heard he's over the moon about country music.

[Detoxx]

sure, no reason to push Mario Kart though, can easily make it an actual Everquest encounter, where you kill it in its lair, like Zlandi or whatever. Mario Kart has been, has always been, the dumbest way to contest anything on this server. You could also just make it that the Cothee has to zone in on spawn before COTH.

The only real answer to anything in p99 in 2020, almost 2021 is rotation. A very generous rotation, that still allowed a lot of competition, was put out there, and somehow vetoed by two guilds, that really should be considered one, since Freedom has essentially never killed any mobs on their own.

Crickets from Detoxx btw. He's probably off listening to country music. Heard he's over the moon about country music.

Actually, if you knew anything, my counter was to remove the ridiculously high number of in Riots "rotation" proposal. Something like 3 or 5 for all mobs. So, Riot is the only guild holding you back from getting 12+ of any and every mob per year.

Nice try there though!

[Detoxx]

https://i.imgur.com/UPAy1CP.png

[enjchanter]

just put instanced tov in the game already

[Detoxx]

Crickets from whoever this anon nobody is btw. He's probably off circle jerking Riot. Heard he's over the moon about that type of thing.

[Pint]

P99 community, witness, Detoxx Pixeldrunk is the only person standing in your way from getting 4+ Vulaks a year uncontested by Riot, AG, or Freedom.

hopefully he has a change of heart, someday.

4 vulaks a year? WOW!

[zodium]

circle charfing my J.O. (Jerk Off) crystals with my RIOT :cool: friends, FTW (For The Win) ;) :D ;)

[Akg49]

Wow looks like I struck a nerve haha :D

Calm your titties Detoxx

[Viscere]

If you wanna get under people's skin, try not being anon lol

Otherwise all you show to people is being a lil bitch :Dq

[Akg49]

Idk, kinda makes him being salty all the more silly.

[Akg49]

Oh and it was Emo music, not Country. Maybe it was Emo Country music, idk he was going on all about it the other night in ST, very weird dude.

[Viscere]

double posting, confirmed anon and mad

[enjchanter]

wow this is yllis

[pogs4ever]

Rotation 2020

[Dreenk317]

also, just so everyone in RnF is aware, I believe just about every casual guild was ready to sign on, only AG/F held it up. Greed is seems is strong in these guys.

Rofl, you clearly are not aware of the particulars of any of this. The rotation that had been put forward was a joke. Heavily favored riot, so that they were getting more mobs than every other guild. When it was suggested it be brought more into balance. Riot backed out and began accusing AG/F of torpedoing the deal because "they refused it". But, it was a bullshit deal, that was not at all fair. So ya, AG/F counter offered, not refused, counter offered. And Riot refused that

[ClephNote]

Try TLP, get your instances!

[Dogma]

Any agreement not GM enforced is a waste of time anyways.

[sydbarrett25]

Rofl, you clearly are not aware of the particulars of any of this. The rotation that had been put forward was a joke. Heavily favored riot, so that they were getting more mobs than every other guild. When it was suggested it be brought more into balance. Riot backed out and began accusing AG/F of torpedoing the deal because "they refused it". But, it was a bullshit deal, that was not at all fair. So ya, AG/F counter offered, not refused, counter offered. And Riot refused that

Riot is very deceptive

[Molitoth]

Riot is very deceptive

What's it like to be in a guild that has great relations with Riot, but you despise them?

Show me where Riot hurt you.


Lemme guess, somewhere sometime a Riot member stole your camp or something...

[Pretzelle]

Riot is very deceptive

Kittens leadership was on board with the Riot proposal, afaik.

[xdrcfrx]

Just to make sure we're all talking about the same thing there, I understood the Riot proposal to be:

Each MOB assigned is a value, and once that number of spawn cycles had passed, anyone that had killed the MOB during the relevant time frame would be barred from the mob for a cycle. So, for example, if a mob was a (4), then weeks 1-4, it would be FFA, and in week 5 only guilds who had not killed during weeks 1-4 would be eligible for the kill.

I understand that the values for certain mobs was quite high (Vulak being a 12 for example). But, I fail to see how this would favor Riot specifically versus any other raiding guild. During the FFA weeks the mobs would be subject to the same competition as they are now.

[Ripqozko]

Just have foot races and 2 hour lockout ala 2017. Casuals would do fine and would have time to setup, hell make it 3 hours . Only reason it stopped was alt tab jumps which is fixed now.

[sydbarrett25]

I enjoy riot, just everything I heard about the rotation agreement has been mysterious. If everyone is for agreeing upon rotation whats the hold up?

[sydbarrett25]

What's it like to be in a guild that has great relations with Riot, but you despise them?

Show me where Riot hurt you.


Lemme guess, somewhere sometime a Riot member stole your camp or something...

Riot has not hurt me anywhere nor will ever hurt me, if Riot stole my camp one time, no biggie on my end. Good for them

[Akg49]

I enjoy riot, just everything I heard about the rotation agreement has been mysterious. If everyone is for agreeing upon rotation whats the hold up?

Detoxx is being disingenuous. The Riot proposal was received well by everyone but Freedom, and Detoxx completely rejected it. The way he achieved this was by proposing something that obviously is not going to be accepted. It is like the Dems and GOP in congress right now. Everyone knows the economy needs another stimulus, but the Dems put forward a 3 trillion dollar partisan bill, and the GOP puts forward a 500 billion dollar partisan bill, both sides knowing that nothing is going to get passed, and while the people who need help suffer, they get to win political points with their base.

Detoxx never intended to negotiate a rotation. He only intended to kill it, while every casual guild+Riot was completely content with the Riot proposal.

The majority of raid mobs would be rotated somewhere between 4 and 8 weeks, with only a few high value mobs like Vulak being rotated a few weeks longer than that.

Mind this, Riot proposed this when it still dominated 95%+ of the content. Freedom (thanks to piggy backing off AG's hard work and numbers) are never going to go forward with any rotation proposal at this point. Guaranteed.

[Pretzelle]

I enjoy riot, just everything I heard about the rotation agreement has been mysterious. If everyone is for agreeing upon rotation whats the hold up?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DUFCBfMyP84Mt5FStHBdSuLCr9gMdLz6wNbpUH8VNWo/edit

Here's the text of the rotation proposal.

[sydbarrett25]

Detoxx is being disingenuous. The Riot proposal was received well by everyone but Freedom, and Detoxx completely rejected it. The way he achieved this was by proposing something that obviously is not going to be accepted. It is like the Dems and GOP in congress right now. Everyone knows the economy needs another stimulus, but the Dems put forward a 3 trillion dollar partisan bill, and the GOP puts forward a 500 billion dollar partisan bill, both sides knowing that nothing is going to get passed, and while the people who need help suffer, they get to win political points with their base.

Detoxx never intended to negotiate a rotation. He only intended to kill it, while every casual guild+Riot was completely content with the Riot proposal.

The majority of raid mobs would be rotated somewhere between 4 and 8 weeks, with only a few high value mobs like Vulak being rotated a few weeks longer than that.

Mind this, Riot proposed this when it still dominated 95%+ of the content. Freedom (thanks to piggy backing off AG's hard work and numbers) are never going to go forward with any rotation proposal at this point. Guaranteed.
Thats cool and all, very may be true. In regards to ringwar my take on it was that Riot blamed AG for not agreeing to rotation while GHXST was pretty much banned from ringwar. Again, this is my take

[sydbarrett25]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DUFCBfMyP84Mt5FStHBdSuLCr9gMdLz6wNbpUH8VNWo/edit

Here's the text of the rotation proposal.

Cool beans, I am going to end my dialogue with a /shrug

[Akg49]

Thats cool and all, very may be true. In regards to ringwar my take on it was that Riot blamed AG for not agreeing to rotation while GHXST was pretty much banned from ringwar. Again, this is my take

There was an agreement. AG was unable to follow the terms of the agreement. They refused to do RW in a reasonable amount of time. Kittens did a much better job of killing RW in a reasonable time after spawn, and they weren't even in the agreement.

[xdrcfrx]

That'd be a pretty solid system, all things considered. What's the beef?

[Pretzelle]

There was an agreement. AG was unable to follow the terms of the agreement. They refused to do RW in a reasonable amount of time. Kittens did a much better job of killing RW in a reasonable time after spawn, and they weren't even in the agreement.

This.

[Pretzelle]

That'd be a pretty solid system, all things considered. What's the beef?

beefbroccoli*

[Akg49]

beefbroccoli*

[xdrcfrx]

beefbroccoli*

I see what you did there.

[kaizersoze]

Just have foot races and 2 hour lockout ala 2017. Casuals would do fine and would have time to setup, hell make it 3 hours . Only reason it stopped was alt tab jumps which is fixed now.

Casual guilds are lining up for Statue, KT and Dain too, right? The racing literally just made it only AG / F alliance and Riot lol. If we kept things as they were now with clearing and gave a 20 minute lockout (time chosen because of AoW lockout timer as well as the 20 min zordak timer etc) where you FTE'd when you thought you had a feasible engage that would be a suitable solution to things imo.

Also at OP "Something something Riot living rent free in your head." Seriously what is this like you're 10th thread about Riot in like a week?

[Ripqozko]

Casual guilds are lining up for Statue, KT and Dain too, right? The racing literally just made it only AG / F alliance and Riot lol. If we kept things as they were now with clearing and gave a 20 minute lockout (time chosen because of AoW lockout timer as well as the 20 min zordak timer etc) where you FTE'd when you thought you had a feasible engage that would be a suitable solution to things imo.

Also at OP "Something something Riot living rent free in your head." Seriously what is this like you're 10th thread about Riot in like a week?

You did race in 2017 right? There’s less room for error in kael, tov being in front doesn’t mean you win infact usually don’t. Also If you are locked in to say mir as riot that’s like hour or so they can’t race . Casuals were winning back then.

[Fammaden]

Freedom wants lockouts and Riot does not. This makes them an awesome or terrible idea depending on who you ask.

[Ripqozko]

Freedom wants lockouts and Riot does not. This makes them an awesome or terrible idea depending on who you ask.

Of course riot doesn’t, they would get less loot cause locked in and clearing inner dragon while smaller guilds would have chance when spawns overlap. It’s the best way to “compete” and casuals get loot. Put lockout like 3 hours so casuals can gather. They won’t tho, it’ll be some lame excuse even tho system worked and only was stopped cause alt tab jump which no longer works. Once spawns overlap riot will have to decide to race or wait which gives others a chance. They won’t lock a ltk with Vulak in window .

[Uuruk]

I dont know what id do if I didnt get a vulak on a server 5 years into velious.

[pogs4ever]

tbf, we havent gotten to ToV discussion in the UN. Kittens wanted lockout on dain so people could get their turn ins on!

but nobody else did. sad.

[Fammaden]

tbf, we havent gotten to ToV discussion in the UN. Kittens wanted lockout on dain because that's what riot told them to say

but nobody else did. sad.

Slight correction in the quoted text.

[pogs4ever]

not really, riot wanted to race from GD, kittens wanted fte lockout, agf wanted that ran roll thing

[Pretzelle]

Should have to fight Dain in the well.

[xdrcfrx]

Slight correction in the quoted text.

Takes some serious cognitive dissonance to look at the AG/F relationship on the one hand, and the KWSM/Riot relationship on the other, and come to this conclusion.

Bravo.

[Pretzelle]

Takes some serious cognitive dissonance to look at the AG/F relationship on the one hand, and the KWSM/Riot relationship on the other, and come to this conclusion.

Bravo.

[Akg49]

:imagine: trying to tell a cat what to do. lawl.

[Dreenk317]

As far as dain goes. Imo, the roll thing like statue is prolly the farest option. Running from GD is prolly the least fair. As all it does is make the person with the fastest load time the winner.

[Pretzelle]

As far as dain goes. Imo, the roll thing like statue is prolly the farest option. Running from GD is prolly the least fair. As all it does is make the person with the fastest load time the winner.

How is that different than PoFear which everyone has been perfectly fine with for the last forever?

[Molitoth]

As far as dain goes. Imo, the roll thing like statue is prolly the farest option. Running from GD is prolly the least fair. As all it does is make the person with the fastest load time the winner.

Which is a pretty big advantage for Furoar since he lives in the p99 server room. :D

[Zipity]

How is that different than PoFear which everyone has been perfectly fine with for the last forever?

PoF there isn’t really the option of waiting inside the zone