New Dain FTE Rules

[Dreenk317]

So, these are the new Dain FTE rules. GM's have confirmed.

On Dain spawn, all FTE'ers /camp and create a new lvl 1 gnome. Race to Kelethin bank and hail the banker 12 times. Then /camp and log back to FTE'rs.

Upon logging in, they must /dance 3 times, then they can race. But, only after a 9000+ /random 10000. Rolled by themselves, for themselves. Each racer must roll there own 9000+ /random 10000 before they can begin the final race to Dain.

[conoutoftrol]

I spent countless hour and hard work creating a rule set for kelorek'dar. However, none of my "UN representatives" will even bring my suggestions to the floor. This whole system is rigged.
WE THE PEOPLE NEED REAL REPRESENTATION

Kelorek'Dar
---------------
Barbarian, Erudite, and Human Racers only.
(No human bards/rangers -- no tracking)

no vision buffs allowed
no movement speed buffs allowed
no levitate

natural spawn only

during night (7pm - 4am): instant race
during daytime: race starts at the beginning of night(7pm) after spawn

5 max racers per guild

first racer to _die_ to kelorek'dar(fte doesn't matter) locks their guild into cobalt scar. All other entities must vacate the zone until Kelorek'dar dies or their lockout ends. Then they have up to 1 hour and 37 minutes to gather a force and kill kelorek'dar uncontested (must fight underwater no pulling onto land).

[Bagavan]

Was there a reason GMs are creating these odd race rules for Dain??

[Bellringer]

Was there a reason GMs are creating these odd race rules for Dain??

https://i.imgur.com/2Cgmptw.gif

[Jauna]

From what it sounds like, they want you to play on Green. They know you are addicted but they are trying to push you to Green

[indiscriminate_hater]

It's my understanding that green will eventually be merged with the beta server. How do green folks reconcile the fact that all of their gear will be inferior and their platinum will have less buying power once that sudden inflation occurs? How will they come to terms with the reality that they will be thrown into the pit with players who have exploited a beta server for years?

Tune in

[SantagarBrax]

There is already a bottleneck at Ring 8 and Ring 10, why make another one at Ring 9 that is a complete shit show? Anyone that has participated in this quest knows exactly what i'm referring to.

I'd be interested in knowing the amount ring 8 / traitors' boxes that have to be reimbursed on a monthly basis.

The new change adds 5-10 seconds to the FTE (which is Huge) for all the PC's camped out trying to turn in.

I'm hearing of a proposal to allow the first Dain spawn of every month to be left up for people to turn in without having to sit through a 15 hour window and compete with an FTE.

This change has a minimal impact on the raiding guilds and benefits the entire server. Everything else in here is just whining and realize this will also benefit YOU.

[Dreenk317]

There is already a bottleneck at Ring 8 and Ring 10, why make another one at Ring 9 that is a complete shit show? Anyone that has participated in this quest knows exactly what i'm referring to.

I'd be interested in knowing the amount ring 8 / traitors' boxes that have to be reimbursed on a monthly basis.

The new change adds 5-10 seconds to the FTE (which is Huge) for all the PC's camped out trying to turn in.

I'm hearing of a proposal to allow the first Dain spawn of every month to be left up for people to turn in without having to sit through a 15 hour window and compete with an FTE.

This change has a minimal impact on the raiding guilds and benefits the entire server. Everything else in here is just whining and realize this will also benefit YOU.

im fine with them coming up with some sort of fix to allow people to turn in. I get it, I support it. This is not the right way to do that.

Making the FTE racers zone, during the race, let alone right at the start of it. Gives an extremely unfair advantage to people that zone faster than others. If this plays out, over time, i guarantee we will see the large majority of FTE's going to the same few individuals that have the magic combo of ram, ping, and fairy dust in there system that allows them to zone in sub 5 seconds.

Thats my issue, it takes skill out of the race, and makes it all about ping/build specs, in my opinion.

[KansasComrade]

im fine with them coming up with some sort of fix to allow people to turn in. I get it, I support it. This is not the right way to do that.

Making the FTE racers zone, during the race, let alone right at the start of it. Gives an extremely unfair advantage to people that zone faster than others. If this plays out, over time, i guarantee we will see the large majority of FTE's going to the same few individuals that have the magic combo of ram, ping, and fairy dust in there system that allows them to zone in sub 5 seconds.

Thats my issue, it takes skill out of the race, and makes it all about ping/build specs, in my opinion.

The vast majority of races going to a couple of people? No, they wouldn't stand for that when the goal is to open up content.

[Baler]

From what it sounds like, they want you to play on Green. They know you are addicted but they are trying to push you to Green

A lot of people don't know you can be banned from individual servers.
Consider Red

[Bagavan]

So by the sounds of it the GMs want to provide people more time to do quest turn ins and ultimately reduce the amount of petitions that come in during this process? Isn't there also a metric shit ton of petitions that come in weekly from the top end raid guilds as a result of rooted dragons?

[xdrcfrx]

So by the sounds of it the GMs want to provide people more time to do quest turn ins and ultimately reduce the amount of petitions that come in during this process? Isn't there also a metric shit ton of petitions that come in weekly from the top end raid guilds as a result of rooted dragons?

Funny, before <GuildRenamedGuildGhostGhxstFreedom> reconstituted itself, there didn't seem to be that many petitions about rooted dragons.

[BlackBellamy]

It's my understanding that green will eventually be merged with the beta server. How do green folks reconcile the fact that all of their gear will be inferior and their platinum will have less buying power once that sudden inflation occurs? How will they come to terms with the reality that they will be thrown into the pit with players who have exploited a beta server for years?

Tune in

The expectation is that we're going to dump our Green stuff into your economy, causing even further devaluation. Then we're all going to cause all sorts of havoc with whatever fragile order you're trying to preserve, stomping any rotation right into the ground. Then we're all going to leave for the new server or failing that, I hear the SWG legacy server is finally coming out of beta.

[xdrcfrx]

The expectation is that we're going to dump our Green stuff into your economy, causing even further devaluation. Then we're all going to cause all sorts of havoc with whatever fragile order you're trying to preserve, stomping any rotation right into the ground. Then we're all going to leave for the new server or failing that, I hear the SWG legacy server is finally coming out of beta.

think there's more rotations on green than blue at present. Only actual rotation on blue right now is sky. Doesn't green have rotations for trash farms in fear / hate? Aint no HoT farm rotations on the beta server.

[Linksfather]

Funny, before <GuildRenamedGuildGhostGhxstFreedom> reconstituted itself, there didn't seem to be that many petitions about rooted dragons.

That is because Riot had no competition to complain about.

As far as the Dain race goes. How hard is it to put a 30 minute FTE lock out for Dain? Whoever wins FTE gets 30 minutes to engage uninterrupted. This is plenty of time for quest hand in folks to do the deed. I dont get it.

[xdrcfrx]

That is because Riot had no competition to complain about.



Ah yes, certainly Riot is the only guild petitioning anyone. Of course.

[Twochain]

Ah yes, certainly Riot is the only guild petitioning anyone. Of course.

who TF were you going to petition? yourselves after your free uncontested vulak kill? wtf

[xdrcfrx]

who TF were you going to petition? yourselves after your free uncontested vulak kill? wtf

Well since I'm not in Riot I don't know who they might have petitioned.

[Dreenk317]

who TF were you going to petition? yourselves after your free uncontested vulak kill? wtf

They would though....

[Zipity]

FTE lockout for dain, once you get FTE your guild has to wait 5 minutes before engaging and 5 minutes after that.

[Gatordash]

These new Dain rules are pretty bad but the dumbest part might be that you are allowed to camp in Icewell but are not allowed to block the racers. Whoever came up with these rules has apparently never seen the Icewell zone-in area with a late window Dain.

[Detoxx]

I honestly have no doubt Riot has petitioned themselves.

[Dman2701]

I honestly have no doubt Riot has petitioned themselves.

This is actually false, after Freedom spread around a video trying to claim that Arcler was using 3rd party software to track mobs. Riot petitioned Arcler to the GMs to look into his tracking activity to see if he was using 3rd party software.
GM's came back saying he never has used any software and the video that Freedom was spreading around Arclers pop call was actually 6 seconds after the mob had popped but Furoars video had loading ghost when he first logged in.
I constantly have phantom people when i log in, especially outside tov or inside tov

[Kief]

I thought this was a crappy troll at first. Reading it like uhhhh okay yeah whatever, the staff are making you make gnomes and /dancing.

Turns out it's apparently true?

Who is trolling who, now? Way to stay light-hearted and have a sense of humor. Awesome.

[SantagarBrax]

im fine with them coming up with some sort of fix to allow people to turn in. I get it, I support it. This is not the right way to do that.

Making the FTE racers zone, during the race, let alone right at the start of it. Gives an extremely unfair advantage to people that zone faster than others. If this plays out, over time, i guarantee we will see the large majority of FTE's going to the same few individuals that have the magic combo of ram, ping, and fairy dust in there system that allows them to zone in sub 5 seconds.

Thats my issue, it takes skill out of the race, and makes it all about ping/build specs, in my opinion.

Doesn't Ping determine the overall winning of FTE now, or previously?

At least one can somewhat mitigate lowest ping fte'ers versus having whomever lives nearest the server winning an FTE 90%+ of the time.

You can't mitigate Ping very much. I can't concur with your statements.

[SantagarBrax]

Also, it's always better to throw out some ideas that are different that may possibly sway GM's minds and attitudes towards this recent change, instead of only providing an opinion in a negative connotation.

Give it some time and let the data collect, but i'm sure everyone would want to hear of better alternatives.

[conoutoftrol]

Doesn't Ping determine the overall winning of FTE now, or previously?

At least one can somewhat mitigate lowest ping fte'ers versus having whomever lives nearest the server winning an FTE 90%+ of the time.

You can't mitigate Ping very much. I can't concur with your statements.

just move next to the server

[indiscriminate_hater]

The expectation is that we're going to dump our Green stuff into your economy, causing even further devaluation. Then we're all going to cause all sorts of havoc with whatever fragile order you're trying to preserve, stomping any rotation right into the ground. Then we're all going to leave for the new server or failing that, I hear the SWG legacy server is finally coming out of beta.

Nice, so like BDA but actually causing other things to become worthless

[galach]

I spent countless hour and hard work creating a rule set for kelorek'dar. However, none of my "UN representatives" will even bring my suggestions to the floor. This whole system is rigged.
WE THE PEOPLE NEED REAL REPRESENTATION

Kelorek'Dar
---------------
Barbarian, Erudite, and Human Racers only.
(No human bards/rangers -- no tracking)

no vision buffs allowed
no movement speed buffs allowed
no levitate

natural spawn only

during night (7pm - 4am): instant race
during daytime: race starts at the beginning of night(7pm) after spawn

5 max racers per guild

first racer to _die_ to kelorek'dar(fte doesn't matter) locks their guild into cobalt scar. All other entities must vacate the zone until Kelorek'dar dies or their lockout ends. Then they have up to 1 hour and 37 minutes to gather a force and kill kelorek'dar uncontested (must fight underwater no pulling onto land).


https://i.imgur.com/F9GX5yr.gif

[Twochain]

What is taking so long to reach an agreement? Coth on spawn is done. We can no longer do that. FTE race is the next method. Dain FTE takes like 10 seconds. This is bad because people wait hours to turn in and have 10 seconds. Petitions happen all the time because of this.

Why is Galach forced to make us start in another zone to remedy this problem? Why haven't the guilds agreed to a 5minute lockout and a roll ?? What's holding this up? Doesn't this make complete sense from all angles?

I say this and have one of the biggest advantages for zone races. I have 30 ping to p99, and I have my ssd hanging off my desk for faster zone speeds. I won dain two weeks ago. https://i.imgur.com/bi6x1EA.jpg

[Ripqozko]

Can we race and use cancel magic stick from vp since goes through wall?

[goldlush]

A lot of people don't know you can be banned from individual servers.
Consider Red

Theres too many people on red lately

[Nirgon]

Can't even believe the retardation on the beta server

This is real

[entruil]

Again, I only read nirgons last, guildwars not allowed. Also, red not allowed, only yt? Don't get me wrong I'm not worthy, ok sorry imma go make a list.

Ok I made a list, didn't read so it doesn't mean anything.

Please don't take this as a bash against th staff I'm a supporter of all angles.

*SiP*

[Wutaan]

Jesus, just pull the reigns off and let them train each other into oblivion for raid loot, who the fuck cares and it might make things actually interesting.

[LazyHydras]

Serious question, though, @Gallach. If the goal is to both allow people who are socking Dain for Ring 9 to have a chance for turn-in AND to make sure that the Dain FTE race is as fair as possible — what is the major objection to having a 3 or 5 minute lockout on spawn before racing from the normal raceline in Icewell? I'm just not understanding this one.

[xdrcfrx]

Serious question, though, @Gallach. If the goal is to both allow people who are socking Dain for Ring 9 to have a chance for turn-in AND to make sure that the Dain FTE race is as fair as possible — what is the major objection to having a 3 or 5 minute lockout on spawn before racing from the normal raceline in Icewell? I'm just not understanding this one.

This does seem like the most straightforward way of doing things. To be honest, I'd be in favor of a longer lockout, even if only occasionally, to reduce the need to be socking the entire Dain window for people trying to turn in, but 5-10 minutes would be a reasonable amount of time for someone logged out in the throne room to get in game and turn in, if they're free to do so.

Only obvious drawback I see would be the same as the drawback with the delayed race starts in Kael - this would relieve guilds competing for Dain of the need to actively sock him. You could be socking VP or TOV and the delayed start would allow everyone and their brother to be on the race line before the race starts. Not having to actively prioritize the spawn just means more stuff will be socked even harder. Should be some thought given to counterbalancing this, in some way.

[Dreenk317]

This does seem like the most straightforward way of doing things. To be honest, I'd be in favor of a longer lockout, even if only occasionally, to reduce the need to be socking the entire Dain window for people trying to turn in, but 5-10 minutes would be a reasonable amount of time for someone logged out in the throne room to get in game and turn in, if they're free to do so.

Only obvious drawback I see would be the same as the drawback with the delayed race starts in Kael - this would relieve guilds competing for Dain of the need to actively sock him. You could be socking VP or TOV and the delayed start would allow everyone and their brother to be on the race line before the race starts. Not having to actively prioritize the spawn just means more stuff will be socked even harder. Should be some thought given to counterbalancing this, in some way.

Ya, there are definite better systems that could be employed, to achieve the same net end result. All without modifying any coding. And if they want to modify coding, make a Dain ghost that spawns when he does, doesnt move, and dies when he does. And people can turn into the ghost, or something.