if you have a price in mind...

[inyane]

when trying to sell something, fucking tell the person what it is.

jesus christ. i'm trying to acquire my 55+ cleric spells. i do some /auc WTB in game, also posted on the board here.

the only replies I get are "make me an offer", which i do, and they don't even bother replying.

why bother having me make an offer, if you aren't going to respond with a counter?

douche bags

p.s. every 55+ spell isn't worth 10k. the majority of them suck, or are teeny tiny upgrades that aren't worth even 500pp

[quellren]

I suspect you and I are in the minority, but I agree.

I was /auc'ing to buy some mid-level gear for my brother in law whos just starting and I'd estimate that 7 of 10 auctions, the seller wanted me to make an offer. Inane junk like bloodstained mantle. Really? you're lvl 53 and want to haggle over a75p item? GTFO.

I respond to 'offer' with 'Ok, thanks.'

[Zereh]

One of my pet peeves as well. I guess selling is such serious business that one can't be bothered with letting people actually know how much pp is wanted for an item - buyers should obv just know.

Might as well put the Bazaar in and call it done.

[soup]

FYI saying "offer" isn't just about trying to get as much profit as possible. It can also be about helping people out. If I'm selling some item that can fetch like, say, 400p, and someone asks how much, and I say offer, and they reply with "All I have is 80p but that's probably low" I can do /target [persons name] and if I see them standing there with banded armor on their level 15 ranger, I'll hook them up for the 80p or maybe even less. I do that all the time when selling mid level necro research spells. They ask how much for a set of level 34 spells, I tell them whatever it's worth to them. Some people with crappy gear give me like 20p per spell, some uber twinks give me 500p per spell, either way I am satisfied with how the deal went down.

But yes, some people do act like bags of dicks about the whole "offer" thing.

[Slave]

Basically when you tell me to make an offer, you're saying that either~

1) you haven't got the foggiest clue of what the item is worth or
2) you are a douchebag that would rip someone off given the opportunity.

[quellren]

Basically when you tell me to make an offer, you're saying that either~

1) you haven't got the foggiest clue of what the item is worth or
2) you are a douchebag that would rip someone off given the opportunity.

QFT.

for 1) auction.goonquest.com will put you in the general neighborhood. I use that to know *about* what something is worth within 15%

for 2) that's why I don't play the game. The seller obviously has a minimum price in mind. If they're willing to tell me what they'd like to get, I'll deal. If they're trying to prey on a buyer paying 1k for a 600p item, they can go to hell.

[soup]

I suspect you and I are in the minority, but I agree.

I was /auc'ing to buy some mid-level gear for my brother in law whos just starting and I'd estimate that 7 of 10 auctions, the seller wanted me to make an offer. Inane junk like bloodstained mantle. Really? you're lvl 53 and want to haggle over a75p item? GTFO.

I respond to 'offer' with 'Ok, thanks.'

FYI usually when people say "offer" on dirt cheap items they will either take any number you throw at them, or they are poor/new and haggling about 50p vs. 75p is worthwhile to them. Either way, your "they're all greedy assholes!" rage is ill-founded.

[soup]

Kinda sad that so many of you are so jaded and cynical that you assume everyone is trying to rip you off :(

[Doors]

Basically when you tell me to make an offer, you're saying that either~

1) you haven't got the foggiest clue of what the item is worth or
2) you are a douchebag that would rip someone off given the opportunity.

I tell people to make me an offer because I am hoping they offer more than what its worth.

And spare me your stupid white knight bullshit with comment 2, you'd do the same fucking thing as anyone else who was trying to sell an item if you could get more for it.

[quellren]

FYI usually when people say "offer" on dirt cheap items they will either take any number you throw at them, or they are poor/new and haggling about 50p vs. 75p is worthwhile to them. Either way, your "they're all greedy assholes!" rage is ill-founded.


Think what you want.
Here's a re-creation of my last purchase, a Charred guardian Shield. This is not exaggerated and no, I didn't get a screenshot.

Seller: WTS Charred Guardian shield, [other stuff], [other stuff]
Me: How much are you asking for the shield?
Seller: offer
Me: 350p?
Seller: I'd take 650.
Me: Ok thanks. That's more than I'm comfortable paying.
Seller: Proly cuz you're a Jew.
Me: LoL.

[quellren]

Edit: last attempt at a purchase. I obviously didn't buy it from the seller.

[soup]

Edit: last attempt at a purchase. I obviously didn't buy it from the seller.

Like I said, some people are dicks.

And when you turn around and act like anyone who does auctions any other way than "WTS xxxx item for 400p NO MORE NO LESS NO TRADES" it must mean the person is a greedy bastard trying to screw you, you too become an asshole.

[YendorLootmonkey]

The person who mentions price first LOSES.

Scenario 1:
Seller who would part with item for 5K: make offer
Buyer: I dunno. 6K
Seller who would part with item for 5K: cool, meet me at T1

Scenario 2:
Buyer who would pay 5K for item: what are you selling it for?
Seller: I dunno. 4K
Buyer who would pay 5K for item: I only got 3.5K on me... that cool???
Seller: Fine, meet at T1

[Seeatee]

I agree completely.

when they tell you to make an offer, and you make an offer and it goes ignored they clearly have a number in mind, which pisses me the fuck off, if you have a number in mind just say so when you auction, and at the very least when I take the time to make you an offer like you asked don't just ignore me thats just a retarded negotiating tactic, I will give you an example of of how this does work on this server, and of how it SHOULD work

lets say someone wants to sell a mithril 2 hander, and would like to get 2k for it, and throws out a "WTS Mith 2 hander" auction with no price.

scenario A

Buyer : how much for the mith 2 hander?
Seller : make an offer
Buyer : ok, how about 1,500?
no reply from seller

scenario B

Buyer : how much for the mith 2 hander?
Seller : make an offer
Buyer : how about 1,500?
Seller : sorry, I can not go that low, was hoping to get at least 2,500
Buyer : hmmm well 2,500 is a bit steep but I suppose I could come up to 2k.
Seller : ok im at T1

in scenario A not only do you come off as an ass ( to most people ) but you lose an opportunity to sell your item and get out of EC and do something productive.

in scenario B , when the buyer's offer is too low you come back with a number higher than you want so when they try and re-negotiate and low ball you again, you get closer to what you were hoping to initially get and in the long run you will most likely end up making a sale a whole lot quicker.

it just seems stupid to me, there is absolutely no reason not to reply and negotiate if someone makes a low ball offer on an item you are selling when you did not advertise a price.

[Seeatee]

also, I would like to add my scenario above still leaves the door open for the person making the initial offer to offer more than it is worth.

[Slave]

And no, I don't EVER try to rip someone off. I will compete like hell for camps within legal limits and a lot of people say that makes me an asshole. BUT you won't see me overcharging people for items. In fact I don't really care unless it's 1000pp item or more, I'll often just give stuff away if I see someone bargaining hard for an item that I don't really need the plat for.

[Kraftwerk]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32654

[Emerald_keep]

Charred guardian shield is worth 100 plat. Wowzers

[Rellika]

Slave gimme the name of your toons so I know who to get items for cheap from.

[Dantes]

So what. If they ask you to make an offer, intentionally low ball those fuckers.

[Klind]

/agree with random Cleric 100%!!!!!!!

[Taryth]

If I ever ask for an offer, it's usually because I don't know how much the item is worth. If someone asks me for an offer, I'll usually throw out something lower than what I expect the item would cost, knowing the seller may be willing to sell it cheaply or that they may make a counter offer anyway.


People who don't respond are clearly morons and don't realize that asking for offers is a two way street.

[Bruno]

People are going to accept "offers" tomorrow. Pointless 12 year old rant is pointless. Just sayin'.

[Motrin]

What i like to do when i get told offer please, i just say hey ill buy it for 5 plat. Then i ask them how much they want for it :) it usually works

[Hasbinbad]

This is what ends up happening to me..

You auction, 'WTS The Sword of One Thousand Truths, accepting plat/trade << offers >> only, PST'
Dipshit tells you, 'How much for sword?'
Nimrod tells you, 'sword prise?'
Diptwat tells you, 'pc on truths?'
You sigh.

[Ihealyou]

Try to engage them in small talk first to break the ice. Once everyone is feeling comfortable, show interest. A nice compliment or gentle touch, along with a smile, should be sufficient. Assuming everything has gone well so far, its time to seal the deal. Ask for a phone number, or if you're feeling adventurous, suggest going somewhere more intimate. Good luck my friend!

[Ozudin]

Try to engage them in small talk first to break the ice. Once everyone is feeling comfortable, show interest. A nice compliment or gentle touch, along with a smile, should be sufficient. Assuming everything has gone well so far, its time to seal the deal. Ask for a phone number, or if you're feeling adventurous, suggest going somewhere more intimate. Good luck my friend!

You seriously crack my shit up.

[Ozudin]

I've been using http://auction.goonquest.com/ How reliable is that to judge value?

[Messianic]

Try to engage them in small talk first to break the ice. Once everyone is feeling comfortable, show interest. A nice compliment or gentle touch, along with a smile, should be sufficient. Assuming everything has gone well so far, its time to seal the deal. Ask for a phone number, or if you're feeling adventurous, suggest going somewhere more intimate. Good luck my friend!

You are the best poster on these forums, hands-down.

[Glorindale]

^^

Is you want to barter then counter asswipes...that is the way it works.

[Massive Marc]

I think this day in age, we are surrounded by price tags on almost everything. Even at an auction, you are still given a starting bid. Basically, if you're not attaching a price to the item you are trying to sell, you're wasting everyones time. It's such a bitch going through the hoops of negotiation when other person just highballs the shit out of you.

600 for a CGS ? LOL.