As a competitive raider on WoW the raid scene on Green makes no sense to me.

[RecondoJoe]

On WoW the difference between a top raider and a casual raider is MASSIVE -- a casual raider will never even come close to having the same items as an end-game raider.

On P99 however, I inspect a player from Seal Team and I inspect a player from a random Federation guild, and their items are generally identical (in fact I have friends in Seal Team who have worse gear than me and I barely even raid).

Can someone explain to me why players get so heated over who gets to go first? I see these 18 hour days that my friends in ST put in, and I don't envy them. Especially when I know my more casual friends will likely end up with the same exact items without putting in any where near as much effort or work.

[kaizersoze]

Thats because green has like, 4 raid mobs. Consider blue.

[RecondoJoe]

Thats because green has like, 4 raid mobs. Consider blue.

I'm happy with Green honestly. I'm going to LOL so hard when Kunark comes out and all of my friends who spent the last 5 months farming DKP suddenly realize that they should have been farming plat.

[Kohedron]

Wow check out mister bad ass raider over here

[Jibartik]

I'm happy with Green honestly. I'm going to LOL so hard when Kunark comes out and all of my friends who spent the last 5 months farming DKP suddenly realize that they should have been farming plat.

when they spend that on level 60 spells and epic items youll see why they were farming that dkp

and then they will make soooo much more plat than they could make in classic in just the first few months of kunark.

[Swish]

Wow check out mister bad ass raider over here

Bet OP dances on the mailbox and makes edgy comments in the trade chat when he's not "competitively raiding" an instance.

[RecondoJoe]

when they spend that on level 60 spells and epic items youll see why they were farming that dkp

and then they will make soooo much more plat than they could make in classic in just the first few months of kunark.

I'm not going to give away my secret, but farming plat is dramatically easier pre-kunark. There's a reason guards all get buffed once it dropped. I can easily make 10K a day while tabbed out watching youtube and doing exercise in my room. All that will go away once Kunark goes, and I know for a fact that while I have several hundred thousand plat saved up, most of my raider friends don't even have enough money to pay their weekly dues.

[Jibartik]

Well, it is when youre not farming uncontested sebilis solo with your guilds advantage ;)

[RecondoJoe]

Well, it is when youre not farming uncontested sebilis solo with your guilds advantage ;)

Probably won't want to anyways. My unemployment runs out in 12 weeks anyways. My goal is to enter Kunark with several hundred thousand platinum, and a ton of Tinkerer bags, and I already hit the goal. I'll likely be working full-time and only casually playing by the time Kunark comes out. But I do know for a fact that when Kunark drops, I'm going to be in a far better position than my broke-ass friends who spend 12 hours a day farming PoH/PoF for essentially no reward. I think at this point even they feel like idiots when they start to realize that my alts have better items than their mains. Of course most of them quit after about 2-3 weeks of raiding because they realize what a waste of time it is.

[Jibartik]

Im just guessing who knows what'll happen maybe everything will be a list! :)

[Ripqozko]

sorry you dont got cares act

[Tenderizer]

I think im in heat after reading this thread. oh yes you durty gurl

[solleks]

On WoW the difference between a top raider and a casual raider is MASSIVE -- a casual raider will never even come close to having the same items as an end-game raider.

On P99 however, I inspect a player from Seal Team and I inspect a player from a random Federation guild, and their items are generally identical (in fact I have friends in Seal Team who have worse gear than me and I barely even raid).

Can someone explain to me why players get so heated over who gets to go first? I see these 18 hour days that my friends in ST put in, and I don't envy them. Especially when I know my more casual friends will likely end up with the same exact items without putting in any where near as much effort or work.
https://i.imgur.com/tLfb3ZU.gif

[cd288]

All we need to know is that you still play WoW lol

[Kohedron]

I will give this guy a bit of credit, it is hilarious how people want to get items """"""first""""""

These items have been acquired thousands and thousands of times. Getting it """"first"""" is absolutely meaningless

[Bardp1999]

I know you are just stirring the pot like the shit lord you are but i'll bite. There are some very fundamental differences between WoW and p99

1) At its heart WoW is a game of inclusion and P99 is a game of exclusion.

2) WoW had the benefit of its predecessors and massive funding, EQ was built from the pipe dreams of a drug addict in his basement.

3) People race for world/server firsts on both games, the reality is when PVP is not a focus all these games degrade into nerd races because ultimately all PVE content (in general) is nothing but a matter of a time commitment and will eventually be beaten by all players (unless you create a ridiculous 'raid scene' like P99 has)

4) Items in WoW make your character hundreds of times more powerful than a naked character. On P99 you can level most casters completely gearless and they will only be marginally less powerful than a fully twinked character.

5) Back to points 1 and 4 - items on P99 do not really mean shit besides some deluded bragging right. The dip shit who has spent 300 hours farming Hate on his shaman can literally cast like 1 more heal than my shaman can before going OOM... let that sink in. Haste and regen, everything else means nothing.

6) Comparing WoW and P99 is retarded because they don't have the same goals.
Blizzard took the best features of EQ and expanded on them and cut out the shit that no one really likes besides P99ers (XP death, ridiculous corpse runs, lack of an auction system, having to do more than turn on auto attack, easy travel, fast paced combat vs medding for 30 minutes) to a point where the games don't even really resemble each other and can barely be considered the same genre.

[galach]

Thats because green has like, 4 raid mobs. Consider blue.

[icedwards]

On WoW the difference between a top raider and a casual raider is MASSIVE -- a casual raider will never even come close to having the same items as an end-game raider.

Wut?

Besides the odd niche wboss loot, casual raiders have all the same stuff. Shit, Detoxx has a thunderfury and he was a terrible tank according to his guildies.

EQ and wow is all about just showing up and enjoying the dopamine fix from the loot conveyor.

[Fammaden]

Galach confirmed advocating for blue.

[DMN]

I'm not going to give away my secret, but farming plat is dramatically easier pre-kunark. There's a reason guards all get buffed once it dropped. I can easily make 10K a day while tabbed out watching youtube and doing exercise in my room. All that will go away once Kunark goes, and I know for a fact that while I have several hundred thousand plat saved up, most of my raider friends don't even have enough money to pay their weekly dues.

Bullshit. you'd be lucky to be able to make 300 plat an hour farming guards especially once factoring in competition for the better plat farms.

[Topgunben]

I got to hand it to you Recondojoe. You are willing to put it all out there.

[imsorryGMs]

Green is extremely limited on content/raid loot. Wait until kunark and velious come out.

[Vaarsuvius]

I'm not going to give away my secret, but farming plat is dramatically easier pre-kunark. There's a reason guards all get buffed once it dropped. I can easily make 10K a day while tabbed out watching youtube and doing exercise in my room. All that will go away once Kunark goes, and I know for a fact that while I have several hundred thousand plat saved up, most of my raider friends don't even have enough money to pay their weekly dues.
Something eludes me here
If your cash cows are classic, will they suddenly disappear with Kunark? :rolleyes:

[Babittle]

Probably won't want to anyways. My unemployment runs out in 12 weeks anyways. My goal is to enter Kunark with several hundred thousand platinum, and a ton of Tinkerer bags, and I already hit the goal. I'll likely be working full-time and only casually playing by the time Kunark comes out. But I do know for a fact that when Kunark drops, I'm going to be in a far better position than my broke-ass friends who spend 12 hours a day farming PoH/PoF for essentially no reward. I think at this point even they feel like idiots when they start to realize that my alts have better items than their mains. Of course most of them quit after about 2-3 weeks of raiding because they realize what a waste of time it is.

Yeh man , but velious will come out. So why even log in during Kunark? Plebs

[kaizersoze]

Yeh man , but velious will come out. So why even log in during Kunark? Plebs

so you can be 60 and bum rush the ST key mobs and get that warder loot to link to ripgozku

[Ripqozko]

so you can be 60 and bum rush the ST key mobs and get that warder loot to link to ripgozku

You still won't have it on blue , sorry.

[BlackBellamy]

HeAdLiNe:

Man inspects random Seal Teal member decides all high-end raiders are him. Cannot comprehend Seal Team is 75% poopsockers like any other guild.

[BlackBellamy]

Seal teal. Hmm. I'm unconsciously pining for the good times where the server was full of friendly and laid back people for like a brief moment.

[Skarne]

Seal teal. Hmm. I'm unconsciously pining for the good times where the server was full of friendly and laid back people for like a brief moment.

That disappeared when Teal did but I still think it's better this way overall.

[kaizersoze]

You still won't have it on blue , sorry.

until the servers merge.

[Fammaden]

Bonsider clue.

[kaizersoze]

Bonsider clue.

Book not up

[Babittle]

until the servers merge.

I can see it now, Hipster Greens Vs. Boomer Blues

[drackgon]

EQ has no competitive raiding, this post is useless. EQ is a 10 sec FTE and thats it, no skill involved and generally bosses zerg'd down in less then 2 mins. You can't even at all compare EQ and WoW raiding scene. WoW was instanced, a guild could attempt heroic/mythic(whatever they call the highest difficulty), 100s of times to get it down. EQ if you wipe, chance are the next guild is getting the kill moment agro is reset. But again its zerg'd down by 80-150 members.

[Skarne]

EQ has no competitive raiding, this post is useless. EQ is a 10 sec FTE and thats it, no skill involved and generally bosses zerg'd down in less then 2 mins. You can't even at all compare EQ and WoW raiding scene. WoW was instanced, a guild could attempt heroic/mythic(whatever they call the highest difficulty), 100s of times to get it down. EQ if you wipe, chance are the next guild is getting the kill moment agro is reset. But again its zerg'd down by 80-150 members.

You gotta admit it’s a very unique and competitive experience though. Wow has some more difficult encounters, sure, but I’ve never played another MMO with the level of competition between guilds as p99.

[Vaarsuvius]

EQ has no competitive raiding, this post is useless. EQ is a 10 sec FTE and thats it, no skill involved and generally bosses zerg'd down in less then 2 mins. You can't even at all compare EQ and WoW raiding scene. WoW was instanced, a guild could attempt heroic/mythic(whatever they call the highest difficulty), 100s of times to get it down. EQ if you wipe, chance are the next guild is getting the kill moment agro is reset. But again its zerg'd down by 80-150 members.

Where exactly is the competition when you can just try to beat an encounter over and over in your own instance? You just need to gather as many of your regular neck beards as possible and rinse repeat until guild leader decides to farm something else?

Compare that to X guilds looking to get same same target(s) in a non instanced world.

I'll pick EQ any day, thank you very much

[arsenalpow]

I’m level 51 now. When do I start getting showered in raid loot?

[drackgon]

Where exactly is the competition when you can just try to beat an encounter over and over in your own instance? You just need to gather as many of your regular neck beards as possible and rinse repeat until guild leader decides to farm something else?

Compare that to X guilds looking to get same same target(s) in a non instanced world.

I'll pick EQ any day, thank you very much

Its server first ranks. So many push for server first, USA first, or even world first. Tons of tracking websites and achievements to show off.

Wow is what 10/20 man raids? EQ takes 80 neck beards(truly takes less but show how many guilds do it with less then 80? So I don't understand your first statement at all.

[fastboy21]

On WoW the difference between a top raider and a casual raider is MASSIVE -- a casual raider will never even come close to having the same items as an end-game raider.

On P99 however, I inspect a player from Seal Team and I inspect a player from a random Federation guild, and their items are generally identical (in fact I have friends in Seal Team who have worse gear than me and I barely even raid).

Can someone explain to me why players get so heated over who gets to go first? I see these 18 hour days that my friends in ST put in, and I don't envy them. Especially when I know my more casual friends will likely end up with the same exact items without putting in any where near as much effort or work.

You mean it doesn't have everything to do with the items? People just enjoy chasing them and depriving others of getting them too? Surely, you can't be describing the cherub like nature of competitive vanilla classic EQ raiding...

[Fammaden]

EQ is all about drama. Interpersonal drama. Interguild drama. Intraguild drama. In-group drama. Loot drama. Guild bank drama. Tunnel pricing drama. Camp drama. Drama, drama, drama. Remember how LoS back in the day did a version of the Turner TV network slogan on their website, "We Know Drama"?

WoW can mask the grind with all the shiny mechanics and QoL they want but at the end of the day you're still on an MMO grind treadmill. The human drama element is what keeps EQ interesting after the grinding and the drops are looted and accounted for.

Sixteen hour windows suck and no person should consent to socking them like this, but when you do sock it and one guild beats the other....those are real feelings. Its not about the encounters themselves, its about the fact that in a game with such limited resources and such high demand every little win or loss from that skeleton with a cracked staff to losing a CoF dragon spawn feels like something REAL was on the table.

Its fun to get a target for the first time with your crew, more fun when you are the first to do it in some fashion, but no modern games can emulate the real stakes people feel when they play this obscure little piece of history. The value of that obviously persists for players 20 years later and counting.

[DMN]

How do you compete in raiding in WoW when there is only one horse in the race? One palyer on the field? One dick in your hand?

[fastboy21]

How do you compete in raiding in...when there is only one...dick in your hand?

Wait what???

WTF is going on in uber raiding guilds these days? Is this like a thing now? Back in my day we thought it was all the rage that we could setup designated cyber-sex channels when PoP came out...things have really changed.

[Jibartik]

ive like never gotten raid loot that isnt planer trash drops and its been like 20 years what ru guys talkn about this games hard lol

[Vaarsuvius]

Its server first ranks. So many push for server first, USA first, or even world first. Tons of tracking websites and achievements to show off.

Wow is what 10/20 man raids? EQ takes 80 neck beards(truly takes less but show how many guilds do it with less then 80? So I don't understand your first statement at all.

Well, back on live the competition was also fierce to get server wide raid target first

The Rathe might not have been home to the most Uber guilds of all, but there were a couple US/ Euro / Asian hardcore raider guilds whose members were ranking quite high on eq.magelo rankings

I don't know much about WoW but is there anything close to the efforts required for the Sleeper raid?

[Castle2.0]

Had to click view post since I got this dude blocked.

Let's use an extreme example:

If your guild has 1,000 people with 10% monks, that's 100 monks DKP bidding on monk gear.

If your guild has 100 people with 10% monks, that's 10 monks DKP bidding on monk gear.

DKP is relative to how much DKP your fellow guild monks have. "Powergamers" tend to clump up at the top - so the 100 monks in the powergamer zerg guild are all putting in LOTS of time for DKP. You have to put in more and more time, for less and less loot.

Moral of the story: Live by the zerg, die by the zerg.

[GnomeLuvr]

How do you compete in raiding in WoW when there is only one horse in the race? One palyer on the field? One dick in your hand?

If you only have one dick in your hand, you're doing it wrong.

[kaev]

until the servers merge.

is that the motivation for squeegee team? Sock warder loot them merge to blue and insist to the people who did it there years earlier that you're the same? heh, okay fellas, guess it's true, you can't teach a sneetch

[RecondoJoe]

sorry you dont got cares act

Best thing that's ever happened to me, legit.

[RecondoJoe]

Yeh man , but velious will come out. So why even log in during Kunark? Plebs

I'm not playing EverQuest to be the best player in Velious, if I wanted to do that, I would go play on Blue.

As a child my memories are of me having a high level monk and rogue in Kunark. I was broke AF, my monk never had a haste item, and was using his fists while everyone else had Jade Maces and Knuckle Dusters. My Rogue had his epic, but that was about all he had, his off-hand sucked until late into Velious.

I want to finally, 20 years later, be able to do the same content with the same exact characters, but with the gear I always dreamed of having. I know it sounds weird, but I'm more excited for this than I was when I actually discovered P99 3-4 months ago. Honestly, within 3 weeks of playing on Green I was already like "man, I wish Kunark was out" because that's actually where all of my memories are. So many months, possibly years leveling characters in the Sarnak Fort, OT, DL, KC, Sebilis etc.

As far as being in a high-end raiding guild on Green or Blue? I simply don't see the point. We're in the same guild BTW, and the last time I checked you're just as geared as warriors in Seal Team, so again, I don't understand why people feel the need to be competitive with raiding. If I want that I'll go play WoW, where the game is actually balanced around different difficulty levels for raiding.

[RecondoJoe]

How do you compete in raiding in WoW when there is only one horse in the race? One palyer on the field? One dick in your hand?

Actually, the high-end raiding guilds get massively better gear than everyone else, and then go stomp people in PVP. So yes, being in a top guild has some pretty massive advantages in WoW compared to... EverQuest where... the players who went before you put 18 hour days into looting an item you'll probably get handed to you while you casually raid later on down the road.

[onlyrockerfan]

Actually, the high-end raiding guilds get massively better gear than everyone else, and then go stomp people in PVP. So yes, being in a top guild has some pretty massive advantages in WoW compared to... EverQuest where... the players who went before you put 18 hour days into looting an item you'll probably get handed to you while you casually raid later on down the road.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EQProject1999/permalink/1504057843136432/

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. can't wait for you to come back and bitch about all the conspiracy theories happening on Aradune too.

[Jibartik]

I didnt think 2020 could get worse, but not knowing the details of that meltdown is enough to push me over the edge.

[Tethler]

I'm not going to give away my secret, but farming plat is dramatically easier pre-kunark. There's a reason guards all get buffed once it dropped. I can easily make 10K a day while tabbed out watching youtube and doing exercise in my room. All that will go away once Kunark goes, and I know for a fact that while I have several hundred thousand plat saved up, most of my raider friends don't even have enough money to pay their weekly dues.

No-lifing Halfling guards for 12 hours a day is hardly a secret, my guy.

[DMN]

No-lifing Halfling guards for 12 hours a day is hardly a secret, my guy.

Don't humor this idiocy. those guards won't give anywhere near those numbers, The ones in town have something ridiculous like 25 minute respawn time. The tiny handful of thicket spawns are only around 6 minutes but there is always competition for them. i think even if no other players existed on P99 you'd be lucky to ever make much more than 500ish plat per hour clearing both wall and town.

[Tankwipe]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EQProject1999/permalink/1504057843136432/

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. can't wait for you to come back and bitch about all the conspiracy theories happening on Aradune too.

Haha what a dumb asshole

[Kief]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EQProject1999/permalink/1504057843136432/

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. can't wait for you to come back and bitch about all the conspiracy theories happening on Aradune too.

Oh man talk about karma Tank bro.

Guy lied his ass off to bother two really good guys in the community and wonders why the GM's were mad at him.

Next time try to not be such a dick Recondo and you may have a better time. Still wish you the best regardless of the game drama.

Bless up,
Keeth

[Tethler]

Don't humor this idiocy. those guards won't give anywhere near those numbers, The ones in town have something ridiculous like 25 minute respawn time. The tiny handful of thicket spawns are only around 6 minutes but there is always competition for them. i think even if no other players existed on P99 you'd be lucky to ever make much more than 500ish plat per hour clearing both wall and town.

Yeah, I know he's talking out his ass. His sig here claims he has a 50 SK, but then in the FB group he's asking about low level SK shit.

[cd288]

Don't humor this idiocy. those guards won't give anywhere near those numbers, The ones in town have something ridiculous like 25 minute respawn time. The tiny handful of thicket spawns are only around 6 minutes but there is always competition for them. i think even if no other players existed on P99 you'd be lucky to ever make much more than 500ish plat per hour clearing both wall and town.

Yeah probably true. You can make a good amount per hour on the two level 30 rangers in surefall (I think about 300pp roughly). Treants probably more per hour than that. HGs possibly more but it’s hit or miss with them.

But there aren’t any super secret plat camps in classic, and certainly not some super secret guard plat situations lol

[cd288]

I didnt think 2020 could get worse, but not knowing the details of that meltdown is enough to push me over the edge.

Lmao

The best part about this is how Recondojoe tried to act like the rest of the server was toxic and unstable and he was some holier than thou person. Then he has zero life and creates multiple 50s in a short period of time only to have a whiney meltdown and delete them apparently. So mentally stable right?

I know this is RnF but quite honestly I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a sad individual on P99 except maybe the mace quest guy

[Tankwipe]

Lmao

The best part about this is how Recondojoe tried to act like the rest of the server was toxic and unstable and he was some holier than thou person. Then he has zero life and creates multiple 50s in a short period of time only to have a whiney meltdown and delete them apparently. So mentally stable right?

I know this is RnF but quite honestly I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a sad individual on P99 except maybe the mace quest guy
You got a link to the mace guy? Been hearing about this

[Ranlron swiftsong]

Basically this: If you want instanced dungeons and that kinda shit along with pop books and bazaar go play live server. If you want to do real hardcore play green and blue.

[Kief]

You got a link to the mace guy? Been hearing about this

Mace guy was a enchanter from Red Tankbro. I can't remember his name but I would routinely chat with him on Loudog in Seb. He'd send me poetry and ask what I thought about it.

Last time we spoke I think I gave him a bad review on his latest poem. Hope I didn't edge him over to the point of macing. Nothing funny about it I sincerely hope it wasn't me that pushed him.

Check the Red forums history like years ago to maybe get a IRL news report post. I remember seeing it on the news posted in the forums.

He literally hit some girl with a home-made mace. If you figure out his name and crap let me know for the sake of memory. I can't recall.

Bless bro,
Keeth

[Tankwipe]

Mace guy was a enchanter from Red Tankbro. I can't remember his name but I would routinely chat with him on Loudog in Seb. He'd send me poetry and ask what I thought about it.

Last time we spoke I think I gave him a bad review on his latest poem. Hope I didn't edge him over to the point of macing. Nothing funny about it I sincerely hope it wasn't me that pushed him.

Check the Red forums history like years ago to maybe get a IRL news report post. I remember seeing it on the news posted in the forums.

He literally hit some girl with a home-made mace. If you figure out his name and crap let me know for the sake of memory. I can't recall.

Bless bro,
KeethOh fuck I thought it was like a can of mace not a blunt instrument. RIP

[Topgunben]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EQProject1999/permalink/1504057843136432/

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. can't wait for you to come back and bitch about all the conspiracy theories happening on Aradune too.

Is this the RL Recondojoe?

[Jibartik]

keif can you tell me the story about whats happening in this thread?

[Jibartik]

Ok wait a minute...

All of this is connected lol?

Is it all stemming from that "sorry were late, the GM sent us here to relieve you" incident?

ha!

[Tankwipe]

Is this the RL Recondojoe?

Yes

[cd288]

Oh fuck I thought it was like a can of mace not a blunt instrument. RIP

I believe he killed a random woman’s dog with it and attacked her as well but she survived. He’s now in jail

[Kief]

I believe so Cd just going off memory of the news feed someone posted over in the red forum years ago.

I think his chanter name started with a Z - can't remember for sure tho. Most of his poems were about his ex girlfriend and some of them were actually pretty good but a lot of them were like "what in the fuck". Like literally super crazy "wtf" kinda stuff. I remember laughing so hard I fell off my pc chair one night reading his shit.

[Kief]

keif can you tell me the story about whats happening in this thread?

I didn't read it all but I think it's Recondo trying to say WoW is better than EQ but he's not all there so i'm sure he was refuted by several posters.

Just hope the guy ends up doing okay for himself,
Keeth

[onlyrockerfan]

Is this the RL Recondojoe?

yeah, he resorted to posting on Facebook's p99 page since the RnF community is so "toxic" ..... poor baby

[Foxplay]

Everquest is a much more bottle-necked game. WoW you get private raid instances....that's the difference

[cd288]

yeah, he resorted to posting on Facebook's p99 page since the RnF community is so "toxic" ..... poor baby

Sort of sad that he thought anyone in the Facebook group would care about him deleting his characters lol

[Skarne]

Sort of sad that he thought anyone in the Facebook group would care about him deleting his characters lol

Dude everything about that guy is sad haha

[Arvan]

Velious was beaten in kunark gear.

People arent grinding because the gear matters that’s for sure. Especially with 150+ zerg guilds / alliances that are popping up.

[cannobeers3]

This, and other exciting stories from the 2020 Elf Olympiad!

[LazyHydras]

Bet OP dances on the mailbox and makes edgy comments in the trade chat when he's not "competitively raiding" an instance.

He does what we all have done. Run back and forth on top of the Orgrimmar bank while talking smack in general chat.

[Vdaria]

He does what we all have done. Run back and forth on top of the Orgrimmar bank while talking smack in general chat.

How dare you imply that i've done that for 8 hours straight on multiple occasions

[Tethler]

How dare you imply that i've done that for 8 hours straight on multiple occasions

kek

[DoodyLich666]

Mace quester was Vyrenoth.

[stewe]

On WoW the difference between a top raider and a casual raider is MASSIVE -- a casual raider will never even come close to having the same items as an end-game raider.

On P99 however, I inspect a player from Seal Team and I inspect a player from a random Federation guild, and their items are generally identical (in fact I have friends in Seal Team who have worse gear than me and I barely even raid).

Can someone explain to me why players get so heated over who gets to go first? I see these 18 hour days that my friends in ST put in, and I don't envy them. Especially when I know my more casual friends will likely end up with the same exact items without putting in any where near as much effort or work.

This must be a joke post, there is not a massive difference on WoW, by 7 year old could does end game raiding in WoW, hell with the right addons WoW basically plays itself you just gotta do what it tells you, WoW raiding is EZ mode just like p99 raiding

[Luigi]

Hey guys my 7 year old could does end game raiding

basically eating boogers and mining copper 8 hours a day

see you in ironforge !

[Bardp1999]

<Aftermath> is still raiding WoW as <Corpse Run> on the Herod server, we just entered AQ 40 a couple of weeks ago, think we will get him dead this week! Twin Emperor fight was pretty tough

[Kief]

Where did you run to where did you go? Where'd you take off to - crazy ass Joe? Lmao.

Sorry couldn't help myself. I know it's corny.

[arsenalpow]

Ran strat for the first time ever. Got carried through because I’m a bad enh shaman

[Smedy]

On WoW the difference between a top raider and a casual raider is MASSIVE -- a casual raider will never even come close to having the same items as an end-game raider.

On P99 however, I inspect a player from Seal Team and I inspect a player from a random Federation guild, and their items are generally identical (in fact I have friends in Seal Team who have worse gear than me and I barely even raid).

Can someone explain to me why players get so heated over who gets to go first? I see these 18 hour days that my friends in ST put in, and I don't envy them. Especially when I know my more casual friends will likely end up with the same exact items without putting in any where near as much effort or work.

I see your e-penis waving, but lets face it... Wow is instanced aka zero actual difficulty except being a unexciting time sink.

I do however agree with you that Everquest is absolutely broken in a blue concept, there's really no reason anyone with a healthy mind to play Everquest without PVP, pvp is what makes everquest hard, pvp is what sets the balance, pvp is what resolves the issue for camps.

You simply fight for the content making the game extremely difficult and exciting compared to what Everquest without pvp is, it's a dull weirdo virtual chat where you interact with other people and wait in a virtual queue to get a chance to camp an item.

Even though Everquest was considered an "Success" back then it was released it pretty clear to me it was only a success due to the lack of other games in the genre. Without PVP you need instanced PVE content so people can actually play the game and just not sit around and wait for content. Or you enable PVP so people can fight for the content that is being offered by the original game making it a damn fun sandbox game to play.

[Luigi]

Hey guys im a competitive endgame raider except all raid content that matters is in an instance so theres actually no competition at all

Currently playing on recycled classic server that is 25x more easy then retail so everyone can win, damage is standardized and everyone playing has no job or life.

See you in aq40 !

Cthun tells you, Sorry you lost !

[dwikt96]

Yeah probably true. You can make a good amount per hour on the two level 30 rangers in surefall (I think about 300pp roughly). Treants probably more per hour than that. HGs possibly more but it’s hit or miss with them.

But there aren’t any super secret plat camps in classic, and certainly not some super secret guard plat situations lol

12 hours at surefall duo killing them as they spawn within 10 seconds netted about 7k total. I think the exact number was 6700