green is the new wow

[condap99]

starting threads complaining about variance when there are what, 7 raid mobs in game? when /list helps you ezmode your way to anything important?

how sad.

green is the new wow. ezmode game for those that can't hack blue.

[RecondoJoe]

You can tell people don't play WoW because they refer to it as ezmode.

EverQuest can be time consuming, but it's for sure an easier game to play. Last summer when Classic WoW came out I had to play with multiple 2 gallon jugs next to my computer so I could piss without leaving the game because I knew if I AFK'd for even 30 seconds my group would instantly kick me out and I would fall behind in the race. This is not me just sitting here passively pressing Complete Heal once every 2 minutes either while watching YouTube, this is me spamming the hell out of Flash of Light trying to keep six people alive while being borderline OOM the entire time. Meanwhile in EQ, most of you level characters while at work and a lot of groups don't even care if you stay AFK over half the time -- because it's an extremely casual game.

There's very little way to express your skill level in EverQuest either. A good rogue and a bad rogue essentially both do the same thing. They press backstab and stand there. In World of Warcraft, a rogue has about 36 key binds and the difference between a good rogue and a bad rogue is insanely obvious -- some rogues are actually good at their class, but still can't raid because they get wrecked by the mechanics.

On my particular server, you've got players literally trying to kill you every where you go. Most of the players who like Red just like Red because they're able to bully players. In WoW, this will never happen. You're not going to one shot another player, and even if you get the jump on him, if he has more skill than you do, he can and will kill you. It's team based too, so the longer a fight goes on, the more likely you are to get outnumbered and destroyed.

Even on Retail, once you hit level 120, it doesn't matter how good you are at the game. It takes months to unlock the reputation required for mandatory essences, it takes weeks to unlock enough corruption resistance before you can even do certain raid content, and most guilds won't even invite you to their raid teams anyways, you don't just say "hey can I join your guild" and show up for a raid and get handed free loot that would otherwise rot. Guilds tend to be a lot more selective when they can only bring a set number of players and the difference between a good player and a bad player is the difference between your entire raid wiping or succeeding. Even one dead weight individual in your raid is usually too much for your group to carry during progression.

That being said, EverQuest is a way better game, but it's for sure not harder.

[Hotel]

That being said, EverQuest is a way better game, but it's for sure not harder.

Is it harder to kill mobs in EQ than in WoW? No.

Is it harder to get mobs to kill in EQ than in Wow? Yes.

The 'skill' in EQ has everything to do with the ability to bring mobs cleanly into your group and or raids camp. This is an infinitely more interesting concept than killing the mob itself.

[Nuggie]

Wow

[arsenalpow]

I’m playing wow classic lately because it’s no stakes easy street.

[condap99]

Is it harder to kill mobs in EQ than in WoW? No.

Is it harder to get mobs to kill in EQ than in Wow? Yes.

The 'skill' in EQ has everything to do with the ability to bring mobs cleanly into your group and or raids camp. This is an infinitely more interesting concept than killing the mob itself.

Gets it.

[RecondoJoe]

Is it harder to kill mobs in EQ than in WoW? No.

Is it harder to get mobs to kill in EQ than in Wow? Yes.

The 'skill' in EQ has everything to do with the ability to bring mobs cleanly into your group and or raids camp. This is an infinitely more interesting concept than killing the mob itself.In some instances this is actually true. I've yet to experience this on Green though. Most of the time I'm having to help my group pull (even as a healer) because the content is so trivial (170 ZEM plays a huge part with this) and over-camped that every group in the entire zone is pulling like 30 mobs at a time.

[Fammaden]

Nah, green is just a new TLP with new gimmicks.

P99, now with achievements! Now with /lists! Now with manastones! Your chance to kill a Sleeper's warder!

[cd288]

Joe we really gotta work on your thought process and what information to share and not to share

[BlackBellamy]

Calling one of these systems harder or easier or better or worse based on your unique personal criteria doesn't really add any information to the discussion. I'm not calling anyone out in particular but this argument isn't going anywhere. It's all too subjective.

I know one thing though that's completely objective. WoW looks like shit. An overstaturated cartoon world of crap. P99 is...beautiful.

[RecondoJoe]

Joe we really gotta work on your thought process and what information to share and not to share

Everyone was doing it, dude. I didn't come up with the idea on my own, I learned about it from players in my group.

[Ripqozko]

Still won’t get you warder loot, sorry skill not good enough.

[Arteker]

You can tell people don't play WoW because they refer to it as ezmode.

EverQuest can be time consuming, but it's for sure an easier game to play. Last summer when Classic WoW came out I had to play with multiple 2 gallon jugs next to my computer so I could piss without leaving the game because I knew if I AFK'd for even 30 seconds my group would instantly kick me out and I would fall behind in the race. This is not me just sitting here passively pressing Complete Heal once every 2 minutes either while watching YouTube, this is me spamming the hell out of Flash of Light trying to keep six people alive while being borderline OOM the entire time. Meanwhile in EQ, most of you level characters while at work and a lot of groups don't even care if you stay AFK over half the time -- because it's an extremely casual game.

There's very little way to express your skill level in EverQuest either. A good rogue and a bad rogue essentially both do the same thing. They press backstab and stand there. In World of Warcraft, a rogue has about 36 key binds and the difference between a good rogue and a bad rogue is insanely obvious -- some rogues are actually good at their class, but still can't raid because they get wrecked by the mechanics.

On my particular server, you've got players literally trying to kill you every where you go. Most of the players who like Red just like Red because they're able to bully players. In WoW, this will never happen. You're not going to one shot another player, and even if you get the jump on him, if he has more skill than you do, he can and will kill you. It's team based too, so the longer a fight goes on, the more likely you are to get outnumbered and destroyed.

Even on Retail, once you hit level 120, it doesn't matter how good you are at the game. It takes months to unlock the reputation required for mandatory essences, it takes weeks to unlock enough corruption resistance before you can even do certain raid content, and most guilds won't even invite you to their raid teams anyways, you don't just say "hey can I join your guild" and show up for a raid and get handed free loot that would otherwise rot. Guilds tend to be a lot more selective when they can only bring a set number of players and the difference between a good player and a bad player is the difference between your entire raid wiping or succeeding. Even one dead weight individual in your raid is usually too much for your group to carry during progression.

That being said, EverQuest is a way better game, but it's for sure not harder.

im going to debunk ur shit one at time.

1:retail wow, u claim rogue has 36 keybinds , my 3,1k rogue says hi with 8 keybinds. kill 0. 1 2 3 4 5 (+Shift) Q R F X C (+Shift or Strg) and u are on excess


2: classic wow isnt the same as a a pack of mobs die on the same time u take down a single mob in everquest, different system of lvling . aswell instances .


3: ur skill lvl in everquest is based on ur ability to play ur class and read situations ,same as wow .

4:on retail u can be 470 i lvl max cloack and loaded on corruption if u know ur shit

5:pvp Grief on everquest was harsher bloodier than it was ever on wow, corpse camp, steal items . train wreck,,,,,,,, unlike wow where u can just mount up and fly away .

6: u cannot one shot in wow? TD and infinite stars stacking says hi.u could one shot on all xpacks of wow minus legion due to pvp templates.

7: the longest pvp 1vs1 on everquest raged for 3 hours , that was a record of sullon zek .

8:scripted pve raid bosses are easy as fuck its mostly a dps fight while move from a to B. As someone who raided wow hardcore and everquest havings world firsts on both games i maintain UQUA in eq trumps any raid zone ever devised by blizard on pure hardcore . even more than original unnerfed firelands.

[Arteker]

I’m playing wow classic lately because it’s no stakes easy street.

i heard u still die to living bomb cuz absurd bad as fuck player.

[Bigsham]

All of these games are the same, its all about time sink = gear

wait in line

zzZZZZ BORING

literally infested with stay at home bearded sons trying to get items they think they need

[Skarne]

Joe we really gotta work on your thought process and what information to share and not to share

Rofl

[Hotel]

All of these games are the same, its all about time sink = gear

you're so smart bro

[Jibartik]

everquest is harder, just because it took you 20 years to figure it out and now you got it down doesn't mean its easier than wow that changes every year lol

[Jibartik]

btw without the wiki everyone who thinks eq is easier would be like

ill pay someone my life savings to give me a shield that turn sme into a begger. oh no!

[Jibartik]

In wow every class has like 10 escape abilities, in everquest you take the boat 2hrs after playing the game for 20 years, get too close to a sister, and have no sow and get gang raped by a level 60 and dont act like that doesn't still happen to you.

"Wow is harder" Proceeds to get annihilated by the dark assassin heading to a raid through a level 1 zone.

[arsenalpow]

i heard u still die to living bomb cuz absurd bad as fuck player.

Don’t know what that means. I’m killing some coyotes in badlands. I’m really good at this game.

[DoodyLich666]

All I know is that as somebody who barely knows what is going on in EQ, it is not uncommon for me to end a play session worse off than when I logged on. This would never happen in WoW. EQ is infinitely less forgiving.

[cd288]

Everyone was doing it, dude. I didn't come up with the idea on my own, I learned about it from players in my group.

I think the point is more that you shouldn't admit to that...I don't think because there were other complete losers going to such a degree makes it somehow totally not really embarassing

[Danth]

Warcraft has a generally sensible difficulty curve. It starts out easy and slowly grows tougher, albeit its maximum difficulty is not particularly great except in a few very specific areas. For the most part Blizzard does not want an overly difficult game; players who quit in frustration represent lost revenue. Content that proves difficult is almost invariably made easier, such as the original walled version of "Andorhol" which was quickly removed due to complaints as well as the original versions of both Stratholme and Scholomance, both of which were heavily nerfed. For the most part "WoW classic" gets the easymode versions from the start, further increasing the perception of Warcraft as an easy game overall. Forgotten is that Warcraft does actually have a minimum "floor" and it is difficult for outright terrible or AFK players to get very far.

EQ's difficulty is certainly there--but it's all out of whack, with the high-end being generally the easiest and safest part of the game. The lack of instancing makes difficulty hard to enforce. Some newbie trying to brave the depths of Blackburrow risks all of what little he has with a high chance of meeting a quick and bad end. At the other end of the game, legions of lazy coattail-riders AFK their way to victory whilst tabbed out watching YouTube because the game allows guilds to "zerg" down content with many times the number of players the content is designed for. Difficulty is there even at the "end" of EQ--but players have to actively seek it. Many don't. EQ allows for a lot of space for player growth and for pushing the limit but most of the best players will hang out solo or duo/trio and not really be seen all that much for anyone to notice them unless they like making videos.

I don't necessarily call EQ a hard game, but I call it a game that has a much less consistent difficulty level than what Warcraft offers. EQ can be either harder or easier than Warcraft depending on the motivation or timidity of the player in question.

Danth

[DoodyLich666]

It is a shame that WoW classic went with 1.12 out of the gates. That was the “catch-up” patch that nerfed the shit out of everything. I have fond memories of trying to crawl through the original scholomance. I also remember uldaman as being an instance that was a feat to get through for a while if you did it at the recommended level.
I get some of those same feels when I try to creep through a new zone in EQ, but I am terrified that I might lose all my shit forever! That said I do try to make minimal use of the wiki.

[Clazxiss]

I'll put this post to bed.

If EQ truly was the game the people on this forum nostalgically chalk it up to be, the numbers would show it. As it stands, the amount of people the blue, green, and red servers have in total during peak time is around 2,000 people.

When a game is fun and challenging, there is a player base to back up the success. Talk of what you guys consider skill is moot. As it is, this place is still Rogean's museum and all the players here are akin to civil war reenactment actors to compliment it.

[Snortles Chortles]

Says a guy who joined desolate Red years after served peaked

(LOL)

[cd288]

I'll put this post to bed.

If EQ truly was the game the people on this forum nostalgically chalk it up to be, the numbers would show it. As it stands, the amount of people the blue, green, and red servers have in total during peak time is around 2,000 people.

When a game is fun and challenging, there is a player base to back up the success. Talk of what you guys consider skill is moot. As it is, this place is still Rogean's museum and all the players here are akin to civil war reenactment actors to compliment it.

Lol what? It's a 20 year old game that some MMO players who are, say, college age have never even heard of because they're too young. This is a pretty terrible take. There are tons of amazing games from the late 90s and early 2000s that don't have some huge 6 or 7 figure player base simply because they are older and people aren't aware of them as much.

Shit, I know tons of old EQ players who hadn't even heard of P99 itself and were ecstatic when they found out. P99 isn't exactly advertised to people.

[douglas1999]

2000 people at primetime also doesn't really represent total active players at all, just the total people online at a given time, I'd be curious to know the total number of separate accounts logged in at some point during a 24hr period.

[Jibartik]

I bet if you took 10 p99 raiders that never played wow

and 10 wow raiders that never played EQ

Swapped their log in info's

made the 10 wow players raid the top 3rd expansion everquest zone
Make the 10 p99 raiders raid the top 3rd expansino WOW zone

The p99 raiders would be finished quicker and with less deaths.

[Arcticflava]

I'll put this post to bed.

If EQ truly was the game the people on this forum nostalgically chalk it up to be, the numbers would show it. As it stands, the amount of people the blue, green, and red servers have in total during peak time is around 2,000 people.

When a game is fun and challenging, there is a player base to back up the success. Talk of what you guys consider skill is moot. As it is, this place is still Rogean's museum and all the players here are akin to civil war reenactment actors to compliment it.

Yes, tuck yourself in, dream of a world with a functioning brain that doesn't operate on logical fallacies.

Thoughts and prayers.

[Bardp1999]

WoW isnt a bad game, there is a reason EQ went to shit after its release

[Arteker]

I'll put this post to bed.

If EQ truly was the game the people on this forum nostalgically chalk it up to be, the numbers would show it. As it stands, the amount of people the blue, green, and red servers have in total during peak time is around 2,000 people.

When a game is fun and challenging, there is a player base to back up the success. Talk of what you guys consider skill is moot. As it is, this place is still Rogean's museum and all the players here are akin to civil war reenactment actors to compliment it.

p99 with no cash shop from devs without boxing has survived more time than any wow emu server even older than warmane

2k players ona legacy eq server was a crowded as fuck one.

[Arteker]

I bet if you took 10 p99 raiders that never played wow

and 10 wow raiders that never played EQ

Swapped their log in info's

made the 10 wow players raid the top 3rd expansion everquest zone
Make the 10 p99 raiders raid the top 3rd expansino WOW zone

The p99 raiders would be finished quicker and with less deaths.

idk i finished nya mythic before covid pandemic outbreak most original high tier raidin guilds in wow were ex eq player based ones .

in wow gettin to high end stuff was easy as fuck in eq was hard as fuck untill lost dungueons of norrath

[Arteker]

Warcraft has a generally sensible difficulty curve. It starts out easy and slowly grows tougher, albeit its maximum difficulty is not particularly great except in a few very specific areas. For the most part Blizzard does not want an overly difficult game; players who quit in frustration represent lost revenue. Content that proves difficult is almost invariably made easier, such as the original walled version of "Andorhol" which was quickly removed due to complaints as well as the original versions of both Stratholme and Scholomance, both of which were heavily nerfed. For the most part "WoW classic" gets the easymode versions from the start, further increasing the perception of Warcraft as an easy game overall. Forgotten is that Warcraft does actually have a minimum "floor" and it is difficult for outright terrible or AFK players to get very far.

EQ's difficulty is certainly there--but it's all out of whack, with the high-end being generally the easiest and safest part of the game. The lack of instancing makes difficulty hard to enforce. Some newbie trying to brave the depths of Blackburrow risks all of what little he has with a high chance of meeting a quick and bad end. At the other end of the game, legions of lazy coattail-riders AFK their way to victory whilst tabbed out watching YouTube because the game allows guilds to "zerg" down content with many times the number of players the content is designed for. Difficulty is there even at the "end" of EQ--but players have to actively seek it. Many don't. EQ allows for a lot of space for player growth and for pushing the limit but most of the best players will hang out solo or duo/trio and not really be seen all that much for anyone to notice them unless they like making videos.

I don't necessarily call EQ a hard game, but I call it a game that has a much less consistent difficulty level than what Warcraft offers. EQ can be either harder or easier than Warcraft depending on the motivation or timidity of the player in question.

Danth

i agree with you but want to add than eq allowed to more thinkin outta the box than wow .
To give u a example , Eq first aow kill, lots of guilds tried the conventional gear up , when it failed people went creative and tinekred with other options wich ended with the frozen moses strategy .

the only instance in wow when something similar happened was with muru in sunwell with locks charming daemons for the kill, i dont recall other instance on raidin bosses where it wasnt a matter of gear up and move from a to b to c

[Jibartik]

EQ is harder, because if you want to solo in eq as an enchanter you will die 500 times, and that wont happen in wow.

Yall forget how much you fail in this game because failing is part of winning.

Its not easier its definitly a harder game, its just you've put the work into p99

If I play the first 3 expansions of wow, I think its vastly easier than the first 3 expansions of EQ and I regularly play them both.

It's extremely easy to get to 60 in wow doing regular content without dying, but its almost impossible to do that in eq, even if you're playing it safe.

[Nuggie]

WoW isnt a bad game, there is a reason EQ went to shit after its release

I'd also attribute that to the cartoony graphics and a very large fanbase from their RTS games. Also, WoW stood on EQ's shoulders as EQ stood on UO's shoulders. They both didn't start out with their feet on the ground level so comparing them as such doesn't really work all that great. (Not trying to argue with you, just giving more depth to your statement.)

[k9quaint]

Green is Barrens chat on a PvE roleplaying server.

[Jibartik]

Raiders be like, "I stood there with faction for 16 hours and then we solo pulled the mob" means this game is easy.

The raid mobs in this game are poorly designed, but that doesn't make wow more difficult.

I could go on for 500 more pages.

[RecondoJoe]

Warcraft has a generally sensible difficulty curve. It starts out easy and slowly grows tougher, albeit its maximum difficulty is not particularly great except in a few very specific areas.
Less than 1% of WoW players complete raids on Mythic difficulty, and an even smaller % reach Gladiator in PVP. This isn't because people don't desperately try to reach that status, it's because it's simply too challenging.

[RecondoJoe]

EQ is harder, because if you want to solo in eq as an enchanter you will die 500 times, and that wont happen in wow.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I usually only die 2-3 times when leveling a character to 50 on EQ. In WoW it's normal to die like 30 times in a single day. The only difference is that the penalty for dying in WoW is far less severe.

[Nirgon]

There's more Vulak loot on blue than there was on live during POP.

Hard pass.

[Arteker]

Less than 1% of WoW players complete raids on Mythic difficulty, and an even smaller % reach Gladiator in PVP. This isn't because people don't desperately try to reach that status, it's because it's simply too challenging.

im a old fart and i cliked my way to 3,1 just to prove u can get it done with certain clases in wow , last one with a piss hunter just to show mongos wich u can beat even rpms with that class just clicking . and did it on ally just to prove u can crap hordes with the handicap of bein ally.

the average raider in wow is bad as fuck with the power of focus disabled by his own sheer retardation, if u fucked that hard back on the hard days of eq raidin u where done and nobody on your server would pick up ur sorry ass in any raider guild

Why wow removed 5 vs 5 , cuz people was fucking bad at team play without the composition adventage fuck fest wich is arena .

u talk shit and prove nada .

[Arteker]

There's more Vulak loot on blue than there was on live during POP.

Hard pass.

u mean Vp gear, vulak was widely farmed yet u could count with ur pubic hair the number of people with vp loot .

[Arteker]

u mean Vp gear, vulak was widely farmed yet u could count with ur pubic hair the number of people with vp loot .

vulak ring was farmeable with a single grp decked on potime gear to be honest .

[Arteker]

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I usually only die 2-3 times when leveling a character to 50 on EQ. In WoW it's normal to die like 30 times in a single day. The only difference is that the penalty for dying in WoW is far less severe.

even the dumbest fuck can lvl up with safety aslong they stick to 1 inch of a zone line

[HalflingSpergand]

Green is the old wow

[Jibartik]

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I usually only die 2-3 times when leveling a character to 50 on EQ. In WoW it's normal to die like 30 times in a single day. The only difference is that the penalty for dying in WoW is far less severe.

Trust me you are not better at everquest than I am. That said Im a fan of this persona of yours! keep it up! :o

[Jibartik]

I say it again and again, if you think the first 3 expansions of wow are easier than the first 3 expansions of everquest you wrong.

[Jibartik]

Expansion 3 came with a level 50 lmao

[Nirgon]

beta pixel clinger thread reaching new levels of rustle

[RecondoJoe]

I say it again and again, if you think the first 3 expansions of wow are easier than the first 3 expansions of everquest you wrong.

Link us your WoW armory, otherwise you're talking out of your ass. I doubt very seriously that you've ever raided any high end content or broke 1500 rating in PVP.

[Jibartik]

I don't need any of that to know objectively that wow is less difficult than EQ. Sorry I dont play fortnight so i cant give you those infos.

[RecondoJoe]

I don't need any of that to know objectively that wow is less difficult than EQ. Sorry I dont play fortnight so i cant give you those infos.

So someone who has never played WoW knows that it's easier despite statistical data proving otherwise.

[douglas1999]

Nobody would be here if there wasn't more to it than nostalgia for shitty blurry graphics from 1999. Wow and eq2 were almost identical games when they launched and I don't have any desire to play either of them ever again

[Jibartik]

Recon, you couldnt even make it through 2 treant cycles before making an R&F cus you were swindled off them how can you say this game is easy lol

[Zoggren]

UQUA in eq trumps any raid zone ever devised by blizard on pure hardcore . even more than original unnerfed firelands.

This zone was the beginning of the end of my live playing days. Guild was stuck there for quite a while.

[Zoggren]

Link us your WoW armory, otherwise you're talking out of your ass. I doubt very seriously that you've ever raided any high end content or broke 1500 rating in PVP.

To be fair, if you had the right class combinations, you didn't have to be that skilled to crack 1500.

[RecondoJoe]

To be fair, if you had the right class combinations, you didn't have to be that skilled to crack 1500.

Which class combination is this?

[Zoggren]

Which class combination is this?

You would know if you played, that some class combos had significant advantages over others. Idk, maybe you didn't arena much. It changes here and there due to the constant meddling by Blizzard.

[RecondoJoe]

You would know if you played, that some class combos had significant advantages over others. Idk, maybe you didn't arena much. It changes here and there due to the constant meddling by Blizzard.

Well, 1500 is essentially the lowest rating in the game, but casuals still fail to reach it.


If we were talking about 3K rating I might agree with you, if this was 10 years ago. Currently if you look at the leaderboards (https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/3v3) pretty much every spec in the game is represented in the top 500, which during Cataclysm it was almost exclusively RLS and RMP.

[Zoggren]

Well, 1500 is essentially the lowest rating in the game, but casuals still fail to reach it.


If we were talking about 3K rating I might agree with you, if this was 10 years ago. Currently if you look at the leaderboards (https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/3v3) pretty much every spec in the game is represented in the top 500, which during Cataclysm it was almost exclusively RLS and RMP.

I haven't played arena since 2014

[DMN]

Can't believe you dumb fucks responding to this stupid as thread. The OP is an obvious retardojoe alt.

[RecondoJoe]

I haven't played arena since 2014

They restructured it for BFA. 1800 is basically like the old 1500, and 2K is the new 1800, hehe. Healers have to DPS now too -- like it's a huge part of their role in Arenas, and thanks to Dampening, healing through damage isn't really as common. Good changes, unfortunately they were ruined with the fact that you have to spend months leveling your necklace off of island expeditions, months doing daily quests, and months doing mythic+ just to be competitive in PVP. Very grindy game ATM. Worst it's ever been IMHO.

[Jibartik]

Hmm think about this:

wow:

press 1 2 and 4.. 1 2 and 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 2 and 4 1 2 and 4

everquest: lull this mob, 2.5 mins, mez, sit memorize spell, stand up, cast, sit memorize spell, cast.

run around corner, wait...

path walks by GRAB IT, pull to corner /pet back off

run to other corner wait.....

wait.....


OK im just using one example but I feel the difference in everquest play is vastly more complicated than wow's, am I wrong? Tell me why.

[cd288]

Hmm think about this:

wow:

press 1 2 and 4.. 1 2 and 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 2 and 4 1 2 and 4

everquest: lull this mob, 2.5 mins, mez, sit memorize spell, stand up, cast, sit memorize spell, cast.

run around corner, wait...

path walks by GRAB IT, pull to corner /pet back off

run to other corner wait.....

wait.....


OK im just using one example but I feel the difference in everquest play is vastly more complicated than wow's, am I wrong? Tell me why.

Agree with you. At the time WoW seemed so much more complex, complicated, and involved because of how many different abilities you had etc. It was insane compared to the bare minimum amount non caster classes had for example. But eventually you come to the realization that it’s exactly as you described, just hitting the same cycle of numbers over and over and half your abilities you never really use

[Danth]

OK im just using one example but I feel the difference in everquest play is vastly more complicated than wow's, am I wrong? Tell me why.

Depends on what example you want to cherry-pick. Counterpoint: Stereotypical EQ high-elf cleric bored housewife gets carried to greatness in groups and raids while merely sitting there clicking heal once in awhile. Next to no game knowledge required, much less any drive or individual initiative. Doesn't even have to know what half her own spellbook does, far be it from knowing anyone else's. At the mechanic level either game can be as tough or as easy as the player in question wants it to be. EQ I think has a higher ceiling because Sony tended to let players run with unexpected tactics while Blizzard habitually squashes out anything that wasn't done "its way." The floor of both games is quite low, but I'll argue EQ's floor is lower--it's easier to carry deadweight in EQ (and more of it) than it is in WoW.

Tuning: also a mixed bag, with the caveat that difficulty in Warcraft was mostly patched out once the bads started crying and gobbling that they couldn't win. The main difference here was that WoW's lack of penalty for failure meant bad players in that game never developed the timidity or risk aversion that's so often seen in EQ. Nobody was ever afraid to try to raid Onyxia for fear of losing their corpses akin to what could happen in a failed Fearplane break-in! However, death penalty is not precisely the same as raw difficulty, and Warcraft did not (originally, at least) want for difficulty: pick-up groups could and did routinely fail, leading to the screaming and whining that I mentioned earlier. The wife and I can duo most "group" content on P1999; we most certainly could not duo the top Warcraft instances. Mauradon was the top one that we could solo or duo almost entirely.

Both games have their difficulty and their easy sections, but EQ becomes much more memorable because of the way EQ hits the player like a hammer when he makes a mistake. Take that away--as in your case of the Enchanter who dies 500 times because he has a rezbot Cleric parked and doesn't care--and it becomes largely a wash between the two games.

**I do not mention PvP because I'm an elitist who regards ALL roleplaying game PvP as inherently easymode bunnyhill stuff for newbies. It's beneath my dignity.

Danth

[Nocht]

There are probably more boss mechanics in Karazhan than the entire first three expansions of Everquest. No way Everquest is the harder raid scene.

[RecondoJoe]

Hmm think about this:

wow:

press 1 2 and 4.. 1 2 and 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 2 and 4 1 2 and 4

everquest: lull this mob, 2.5 mins, mez, sit memorize spell, stand up, cast, sit memorize spell, cast.

run around corner, wait...

path walks by GRAB IT, pull to corner /pet back off

run to other corner wait.....

wait.....


OK im just using one example but I feel the difference in everquest play is vastly more complicated than wow's, am I wrong? Tell me why.
Pretty inaccurate actually, and shows that you never played WoW. I remember even in Vanilla HAVING to have the perfect class combinations to have enough CC to even do certain dungeons. Like we actually had to have a Priest in our group to even be able to do Sunken Temple because they were the only class in the game who could CC Undead. As a Rogue I remember being annoyed that my DPS had to take a hit (since people are actually held accountable for their DPS in WoW), because it was mandatory that I Glyph Sap so my raid would actually be able to clear trash, otherwise it would be impossible -- this involved being completely in sync with Mage's using Polymorph, and Shamans using Hex at the same time, otherwise it was a complete wipe. If I was off even by a second then the mobs would be in combat and immune to sap, and if I broke stealth early, I pulled the entire room.

[Scalem]

Pretty inaccurate actually, and shows that you never played WoW. I remember even in Vanilla HAVING to have the perfect class combinations to have enough CC to even do certain dungeons. Like we actually had to have a Priest in our group to even be able to do Sunken Temple because they were the only class in the game who could CC Undead. As a Rogue I remember being annoyed that my DPS had to take a hit (since people are actually held accountable for their DPS in WoW), because it was mandatory that I Glyph Sap so my raid would actually be able to clear trash, otherwise it would be impossible -- this involved being completely in sync with Mage's using Polymorph, and Shamans using Hex at the same time, otherwise it was a complete wipe. If I was off even by a second then the mobs would be in combat and immune to sap, and if I broke stealth early, I pulled the entire room.

Glyphs didn’t exist in classic.

[Zuranthium]

I do not mention PvP because I'm an elitist who regards ALL roleplaying game PvP as inherently easymode bunnyhill stuff for newbies. It's beneath my dignity.

That doesn't make you elitist, it makes you dumb or ignorant. PvP in a good game is far more intricate and skill-intensive than PvE. This a true of Everquest PvP because it's everything you already need to be doing in PvE anyway, with the added danger of PvP and needing to be prepare for it.

[RecondoJoe]

Glyphs didn’t exist in classic.

You're right, you literally had to spec into it (Subtlety) and your dps took an even more massive hit, but yes it was (and still is) mandatory for a lot of raiders.

[DoodyLich666]

I remember all my homies being combat rogues, and they were able to use sap just fine. I was a fury warrior that would slap on a shield and tank all kinds of shit. Most specs were not so make-or-break to the game as many people would want you to believe. I had tons of fun in the instances and raids of WoW, but from what I recall all of the difficulty was just in figuring out what kind of DDR pattern the deva wanted you to follow.

[Pint]

That doesn't make you elitist, it makes you dumb or ignorant. PvP in a good game is far more intricate and skill-intensive than PvE. This a true of Everquest PvP because it's everything you already need to be doing in PvE anyway, with the added danger of PvP and needing to be prepare for it.

Totally. Nobody is in it for the pixels and raiding takes skill too. Nailed it bud.

[Zekayy]

I’m playing wow classic lately because it’s no stakes easy street.

thats cause you cant hang with the big boys in Tov and kael Chest you tried and failed.

[Zekayy]

Wow isnt easy try to maintain rank 14 in classic WoW (0.1% of players) only reach this and it resets every week, you have to be a pvp god or a neck beard to achieve it. the list system is flawed nobody wants to spend 70+ hours killing themselves over a manastone how is that healthy? I will give credit where its due the p99 team tried something different but it does need to be re-defined, as 70+ hours isnt healthy at all.

[Zekayy]

There's more Vulak loot on blue than there was on live during POP.

Hard pass.

you sound upset cause green will merge into the "beta server" in 2023

[Danth]

That doesn't make you elitist, it makes you dumb or ignorant. PvP in a good game is far more intricate and skill-intensive than PvE. This a true of Everquest PvP because it's everything you already need to be doing in PvE anyway, with the added danger of PvP and needing to be prepare for it.

Being more skill-intensive than beating up dumb AI (which is factually accurate) is faint praise indeed. When I want to compete against other humans I do so in an environment that's actually suited for it. I'll be fair and admit that notion is somewhat out of place in a specific EQ-vs-Warcraft discussion so we can leave it at that instead of derailing the thread.

-------------------------------------

Sunken Temple was a neat zone, large enough that relatively few groups wanted to do the entire thing. I visualized its basic design as akin to two tires stacked on top of each other. Most groups did either boss speedruns or at most cleared through the upper "tire." I do not recollect it being particularly difficult, though, provided groups took it with care and did not attempt rushing like mad. I read someplace that the zone was rebuilt and made much smaller later on? If so, too bad.

Counting town in group chat so a couple of Rogues could "dual sap" (made possible if done correctly due to network latency) was something I did once in awhile.

Danth

[Worry]

you sound upset cause green will merge into the "beta server" in 2023 This does bring up a good point though.

Because the top raid guilds are SO decked out, any content is super trivial. How do you fix that on a static server like this? Can you? Does it matter?

[Arteker]

Wow isnt easy try to maintain rank 14 in classic WoW (0.1% of players) only reach this and it resets every week, you have to be a pvp god or a neck beard to achieve it. the list system is flawed nobody wants to spend 70+ hours killing themselves over a manastone how is that healthy? I will give credit where its due the p99 team tried something different but it does need to be re-defined, as 70+ hours isnt healthy at all.

i did back on the day , was first r 14 eu realms . and only did lost it when Naxramas grind to get KT down was to much burning time farming shit to even have time pvp .

And yes first eu high warlord was a Enha shaman then ele for most part due to wf nerfs (not gonna like Aq+ bwl trink was absurd retarded op) wich was forced to spam R1 chain heal on nax

[Zekayy]

i did back on the day , was first r 14 eu realms . and only did lost it when Naxramas grind to get KT down was to much burning time farming shit to even have time pvp .

And yes first eu high warlord was a Enha shaman then ele for most part due to wf nerfs (not gonna like Aq+ bwl trink was absurd retarded op) wich was forced to spam R1 chain heal on nax


Right on dude that's hell of an accomplishment, not many people even get r 14, let alone maintain it, I couldnt ever do it, these p99ers think sitting for dragons 16 hours is bad they havent experienced the pain and grind of what rank 14 truly is.

[booter]

Gets it.

This might be the dumbest opinion to ever be opined.

[Arteker]

Right on dude that's hell of an accomplishment, not many people even get r 14, let alone maintain it, I couldnt ever do it, these p99ers think sitting for dragons 16 hours is bad they havent experienced the pain and grind of what rank 14 truly is.

wasnt that hard , people had no idea how to pvp at all(much like nowdays bgs atleast for ally), people dreaded of locks mages and rogues , being shaman with alchemy and faps and engi with trinkets it was way easy to pin anyone down,
most members of my guild where everquest players and quite abit from sullon zek , and rallos so having the mindset made it easy as hell.
i can say i was propably the only shaman in wow with a dark edge of insanity cuz dkp system over class shit system of loot.

[DMN]

Can't believe you dumb fucks responding to this stupid as thread. The OP is an obvious retardojoe alt.

Gets it.

[RecondoJoe]

im going to debunk ur shit one at time.

1:retail wow, u claim rogue has 36 keybinds , my 3,1k rogue says hi with 8 keybinds. kill 0. 1 2 3 4 5 (+Shift) Q R F X C (+Shift or Strg) and u are on excess


2: classic wow isnt the same as a a pack of mobs die on the same time u take down a single mob in everquest, different system of lvling . aswell instances .


3: ur skill lvl in everquest is based on ur ability to play ur class and read situations ,same as wow .

4:on retail u can be 470 i lvl max cloack and loaded on corruption if u know ur shit

5:pvp Grief on everquest was harsher bloodier than it was ever on wow, corpse camp, steal items . train wreck,,,,,,,, unlike wow where u can just mount up and fly away .

6: u cannot one shot in wow? TD and infinite stars stacking says hi.u could one shot on all xpacks of wow minus legion due to pvp templates.

7: the longest pvp 1vs1 on everquest raged for 3 hours , that was a record of sullon zek .

8:scripted pve raid bosses are easy as fuck its mostly a dps fight while move from a to B. As someone who raided wow hardcore and everquest havings world firsts on both games i maintain UQUA in eq trumps any raid zone ever devised by blizard on pure hardcore . even more than original unnerfed firelands.

1) Are you actually trying to argue that playing a Rogue in EverQuest which involves standing there and pressing backstab every 10 seconds takes more skill than a Rogue in EverQuest? On P99 people on my friends list damn near lose their mind when I tell them what my key binds are -- they can't even fathom having a keybind set to Q or X, or C (N is my consider button). It just blows their mind -- I frequently tell people if they played WoW it would make them a much better EQ player. As a Cleric I vividly remember my Enchanter having his mind completely blown at how I'm able to target mobs and root them faster than he can mez them -- this same Enchanter is considered "good" by P99 standards. Reality is, this game runs about 10x slower than WoW and requires about 90% less keyboard input. Clicking on a mob and pressing root is only mechanically challenging for the P99 community because 90% of them are boomers who have never played modern games.

2) I play Classic and Retail -- most people who are serious about WoW do.

3) In EverQuest there's usually 1 person doing most of the work for an entire group. Are you telling me that the Cleric, Warrior and Magician who are sitting at Kobold Royals, waiting on their monk to pull mobs to them is having to read the situation? Are they displaying amazing situational awareness, and mechanics? No. I think it's funny because I see this frequently pointed out in this thread where there's "more skill involved" because pulling can be dangerous, and it's like, so you have a raid with 40 people in it, and 2 people pulling, and this somehow translates into the other 38 players displaying incredible skill at pulling by sitting there tabbed out on youtube waiting for their free loot?

4) No one said it's hard to get 470 ILVL, the reality is, it takes months. This is THE main reason that no one plays an alt in BFA and new or returning players get frustrated and quit the game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO81BCKHrsg). It would take them literally months of grinding to to catch up. There is no getting around this. In EverQuest you can buy some CB belts and Goblin ears, twink a character with BIS eveything and be level 50 with full planar in well under a month. A month in WoW might get you Nazjatar reputation. My own excerpts talking about this months before I even knew P99 existed. (https://i.imgur.com/KRUU5fE.png)

Not to mention the fact that you have to actively play WoW to keep your raid spot. The context of the conversation we're having is essentially if someone just bought WoW today, how long would it take them to reach end-game? Literally months. But BFA has been out for 3 years, and new content was released frequently the entire time. To hold your spot in a raid team, that means those players had to actively raid the entire time, weekly, rather than sitting AFK in EC Tunnel or logging off completely until the next patch drops (which is what most people on P99 do once they get their planar). That might work in EQ, but in WoW, you'll be quickly replaced and forgotten about.

5) You make no sense. In some points of your post you reference Classic, and in others you do not. Did people in classic just turn on their flying mounts that don't exist and fly away? No? Was flying allowed in any of the PVP zones like Isle of Thunder? No? Have the last 3 expacs been released with no flying? Yes? Do you even play this game? The fact that you're actually delusional enough to compare EQ PVP to WoW is just... like I don't even think the biggest EQ fan boys would describe it's PVP as good.

6) You just contradicted yourself again. The rest of these boomers don't play WoW so they have no idea, but we both know you just listed two items that takes months of grinding to get (and some people never get them because they have bad luck). These are also two items that require the stars to align perfectly to actually be useful, and even then, I've literally never gotten one shotted by any of them. I main a fucking Rogue and when I duel other Rogues I don't even stealth, I let them open on me, and then after they blow all of their cool downs I turn around and destroy them. I never dip below 40% HP even eating everything they can throw at me.

7) This sounds similar to watching a Blood DK duel a Holy Paladin in WoW. This is not a display of skill or high level gameplay, and is the main reason that they were forced to add time limits to arenas.

8) So you think that sitting along a wall in PoF and PoH while people deliver free loot to you requires more skill than WoW raiding? I actually started laughing as I typed this because I started having flashbacks from my first time "raiding" on P99. A far cry from the terror it was 20 years ago.

[RecondoJoe]

im going to debunk ur shit one at time.

1:retail wow, u claim rogue has 36 keybinds , my 3,1k rogue says hi with 8 keybinds. kill 0. 1 2 3 4 5 (+Shift) Q R F X C (+Shift or Strg) and u are on excess

I somehow missed this. Link the armory or shut the fuck up. For those of you who don't play WoW, this is basically like claiming to be Michael Jordan. There is less than 5 rogues in the entire history of WoW who have consistently played at this level (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sE5YP2Kcq4), and anyone who takes WoW PVP seriously can name all of them off the top of their head.

If you're going to outright lie at least make it believable. 8 keybinds. 8 keybinds. HAHAHAWHW AHWAHA HA AS A ROGUE? HAHAWHW HWA HA AH OMFG

What are the 8 keybinds? 1) Mutilate? 2) Rupture? 3) Garrote? 4) Envenom? 5) Stealth? 6) Kidney Shot? 7) Toxic Blade? 8) Marked for Death?

So do you mouse click for Sprint, Smoke Bomb, Evasion, Vanish, Trinket etc.?

How do you Shadow Step? Most Rogues require about 5 keys for this ability alone. 1) Shadow Step
2) Shadow Step Kick
3) Shadow Step Sap
4) Shadow Step Kick Focus Target

Don't even get me started on Blind. You are such a terrible fucking liar.

[RecondoJoe]

Like imagine coming to P99 to lie about being a celebrity gamer on WoW and not even knowing how the game works.

[RecondoJoe]

https://i.imgur.com/DV8Cjiy.png

Which one are you by the way? How do you find time to stream WoW 12 hours a day and play P99 at the same time?

http://evolve.skill-capped.com/gladiators/#!/Nahj/Keybinds

[Izmael]

Imagine being mad over WoW on a classic EQ forum.



In 2020.

[RecondoJoe]

Imagine being mad over WoW on a classic EQ forum.



In 2020.

Imagine being such a boomer that you think the younger generation doesn’t play multiple games. Most Runescape players are also Fortnight players who weren’t even alive when the game originally came out. Since you’re old that might seem hard to fathom, but for those of us under the age of 40, it’s really not.

[Izmael]

You need to learn to make your point with fewer words.

Nobody reads half your shit.

[RecondoJoe]

You need to learn to make your point with fewer words.

Nobody reads half your shit.

Imagine claiming EQ is hard when you’ve made DOZENS of threads like this

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357968
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352021
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355254

Do you even play this game?

[Arteker]

1) Are you actually trying to argue that playing a Rogue in EverQuest which involves standing there and pressing backstab every 10 seconds takes more skill than a Rogue in EverQuest? On P99 people on my friends list damn near lose their mind when I tell them what my key binds are -- they can't even fathom having a keybind set to Q or X, or C (N is my consider button). It just blows their mind -- I frequently tell people if they played WoW it would make them a much better EQ player. As a Cleric I vividly remember my Enchanter having his mind completely blown at how I'm able to target mobs and root them faster than he can mez them -- this same Enchanter is considered "good" by P99 standards. Reality is, this game runs about 10x slower than WoW and requires about 90% less keyboard input. Clicking on a mob and pressing root is only mechanically challenging for the P99 community because 90% of them are boomers who have never played modern games.

2) I play Classic and Retail -- most people who are serious about WoW do.

3) In EverQuest there's usually 1 person doing most of the work for an entire group. Are you telling me that the Cleric, Warrior and Magician who are sitting at Kobold Royals, waiting on their monk to pull mobs to them is having to read the situation? Are they displaying amazing situational awareness, and mechanics? No. I think it's funny because I see this frequently pointed out in this thread where there's "more skill involved" because pulling can be dangerous, and it's like, so you have a raid with 40 people in it, and 2 people pulling, and this somehow translates into the other 38 players displaying incredible skill at pulling by sitting there tabbed out on youtube waiting for their free loot?

4) No one said it's hard to get 470 ILVL, the reality is, it takes months. This is THE main reason that no one plays an alt in BFA and new or returning players get frustrated and quit the game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO81BCKHrsg). It would take them literally months of grinding to to catch up. There is no getting around this. In EverQuest you can buy some CB belts and Goblin ears, twink a character with BIS eveything and be level 50 with full planar in well under a month. A month in WoW might get you Nazjatar reputation. My own excerpts talking about this months before I even knew P99 existed. (https://i.imgur.com/KRUU5fE.png)

Not to mention the fact that you have to actively play WoW to keep your raid spot. The context of the conversation we're having is essentially if someone just bought WoW today, how long would it take them to reach end-game? Literally months. But BFA has been out for 3 years, and new content was released frequently the entire time. To hold your spot in a raid team, that means those players had to actively raid the entire time, weekly, rather than sitting AFK in EC Tunnel or logging off completely until the next patch drops (which is what most people on P99 do once they get their planar). That might work in EQ, but in WoW, you'll be quickly replaced and forgotten about.

5) You make no sense. In some points of your post you reference Classic, and in others you do not. Did people in classic just turn on their flying mounts that don't exist and fly away? No? Was flying allowed in any of the PVP zones like Isle of Thunder? No? Have the last 3 expacs been released with no flying? Yes? Do you even play this game? The fact that you're actually delusional enough to compare EQ PVP to WoW is just... like I don't even think the biggest EQ fan boys would describe it's PVP as good.

6) You just contradicted yourself again. The rest of these boomers don't play WoW so they have no idea, but we both know you just listed two items that takes months of grinding to get (and some people never get them because they have bad luck). These are also two items that require the stars to align perfectly to actually be useful, and even then, I've literally never gotten one shotted by any of them. I main a fucking Rogue and when I duel other Rogues I don't even stealth, I let them open on me, and then after they blow all of their cool downs I turn around and destroy them. I never dip below 40% HP even eating everything they can throw at me.

7) This sounds similar to watching a Blood DK duel a Holy Paladin in WoW. This is not a display of skill or high level gameplay, and is the main reason that they were forced to add time limits to arenas.

8) So you think that sitting along a wall in PoF and PoH while people deliver free loot to you requires more skill than WoW raiding? I actually started laughing as I typed this because I started having flashbacks from my first time "raiding" on P99. A far cry from the terror it was 20 years ago.

1:Rogue in Eq is way more than just press stab stab, , if u knew what pulling is u would be suprised about rogue St pulling works.but Ey if u allready dont know its your own stupidity showing off. congrats to waste ur mana instead lettin ur enchanter do his job.

2: i dont , Classic is shit gimped with alot of exploits and cheese up first months with customized easy mode .

3: i do expect the others to keep a eye on nearby respawns and keep the room clear while i do bring mobs. these 2 pullers in any raid take more skill than and patience than anything i have seen in mmos outside WAR warpforged farm.

4: it takes 2 weeks to get to 470 i lvl . conquest gear peaks at 460 , u can get up to 3 items per day just wastin2 hours while filling ur neck to lvl 90 then jumpin to Heroic nya .
u have iron balls to say such bullshit, HELOO Heirlooms, u can make nazjatar rep in less than 2 weeks , hi pet battles , maldivas , nameds . contracts,

Are you comparing bfa grindin with vanilla eq? do it proper and do it with mother fucking Gates of discord and then compare how easy fuck is mythic nya with Uqua
yeah the diference btw raids from wow and eq is u are on ur safety land where nobody can hump ur instance, try it out on a non instance scenario

5: Halaa hellfire peninsula, winter grasp,,,, say hi noob,u picked a exception to make ur point valid like a true spin doctor but yet u fail another time.people in classic avoided pvp servers for one reason and is they sucked hard in pvp .Pathfinder says HI , main people it was introduced rolfmao was to try to reintoruce dying open pvp wich was dying because,,,, FLYING MOUNTS lawl. u should really look for crying when they introduced nets to dismount people in flying mounts.

6: corruptions are on a 3 days rotation with 2 weeks worth of stockpiling echos to buy whatever u need , 8,3 says Hi retard . congratulations on having the most retarded arsenal of defensives on the game , feels gud ehhhh.

7: blood dk is the worst pvp spec on bfa yet still he can cram enough TD to one shot any hpal , say hi to my pal flarkness.

8:congratualtions 21 years later u made it , in other hand u can still wipe in both places trying to break in . wow meta stacking means u cannot even fail at the basics untill u happen to arrive to gluth and kt on vanilla.

[Arteker]

I somehow missed this. Link the armory or shut the fuck up. For those of you who don't play WoW, this is basically like claiming to be Michael Jordan. There is less than 5 rogues in the entire history of WoW who have consistently played at this level (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sE5YP2Kcq4), and anyone who takes WoW PVP seriously can name all of them off the top of their head.

If you're going to outright lie at least make it believable. 8 keybinds. 8 keybinds. HAHAHAWHW AHWAHA HA AS A ROGUE? HAHAWHW HWA HA AH OMFG

What are the 8 keybinds? 1) Mutilate? 2) Rupture? 3) Garrote? 4) Envenom? 5) Stealth? 6) Kidney Shot? 7) Toxic Blade? 8) Marked for Death?

So do you mouse click for Sprint, Smoke Bomb, Evasion, Vanish, Trinket etc.?

How do you Shadow Step? Most Rogues require about 5 keys for this ability alone. 1) Shadow Step
2) Shadow Step Kick
3) Shadow Step Sap
4) Shadow Step Kick Focus Target

Don't even get me started on Blind. You are such a terrible fucking liar.
im not retarded enough yet(give it a few years maybe then) to give my wow deatils in a forum , specialy when wow have a automatic ban system wich is exploited every day by trolls and fucktards like you.
Focus macros and gamin mouse say hi original duelist rogue of all times Was mrylokar from dragonmaw server for 3 expansions , he died of cancer and was held a memorial by pvp community , if u even knew ur shit u can still see some old videos he did for thotbot and sodapop speaking of him.
8 keybinds is what it take with macros to reach 3,1 as rpm. not my fault na quality arena games are shit compared to eu ones .

[Arteker]

Pretty inaccurate actually, and shows that you never played WoW. I remember even in Vanilla HAVING to have the perfect class combinations to have enough CC to even do certain dungeons. Like we actually had to have a Priest in our group to even be able to do Sunken Temple because they were the only class in the game who could CC Undead. As a Rogue I remember being annoyed that my DPS had to take a hit (since people are actually held accountable for their DPS in WoW), because it was mandatory that I Glyph Sap so my raid would actually be able to clear trash, otherwise it would be impossible -- this involved being completely in sync with Mage's using Polymorph, and Shamans using Hex at the same time, otherwise it was a complete wipe. If I was off even by a second then the mobs would be in combat and immune to sap, and if I broke stealth early, I pulled the entire room.

Glyphs are wotlk children , u confusing and making ur shit with vanilla

[RecondoJoe]

im not retarded enough yet(give it a few years maybe then) to give my wow deatils in a forum , specialy when wow have a automatic ban system wich is exploited every day by trolls and fucktards like you.
.

BWHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHA HA AHA

EVERY SINGLE ROGUE OVER 3K RATING IS A HIGH PROFILE PUBLIC INDIVIDUAL, AND SHARING YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS AND ARMORY IS NOT ONLY A NORMAL PART OF WOW, ITS ENCOURAGED. THAT'S WHY BLIZZARD MADE AN ENTIRE FUCKING WEBSITE AND SYSTEM BASED AROUND IT.

IT'S OKAY HONEY, I ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU'VE NEVER COME ANYWHERE NEAR 3K RATING.

I DOUBT YOUVE EVEN BROKEN 1550 RATING.

EVERY SINGLE ARMORY IN THE ENTIRE GAME IS PUBLIC BY THE WAY. CAN YOU TEACH ME THIS NEAT TRICK WHERE I JUST GET TH E HIGHEST RATED PLAYERS IN THE ENTIRE GAME BANNED BY CLICKING ON THEIR PUBLIC ARMORY? BAHWHWHAHA YOU SOUND SO DUMB

[Arteker]

Like imagine coming to P99 to lie about being a celebrity gamer on WoW and not even knowing how the game works.

i have been on p99 for long people , quite a few p99 were players of actualy plenty of server firsts on both games.

i was officer in TR back in the day on eq , and on regard wow im the man Buzzkill regarded at the most retarded absurd raid leader they had . Despite the swedish fag speaking most times on ts.

calling others out when u confusing vanilla and wotlk mechanics screams alot of to much eatin shit have made ur brain damage total and absolute.

[Arteker]

https://i.imgur.com/DV8Cjiy.png

Which one are you by the way? How do you find time to stream WoW 12 hours a day and play P99 at the same time?

http://evolve.skill-capped.com/gladiators/#!/Nahj/Keybinds

i dont need to stream to make a livin boy, i allready made my life and i dont need to show up on a network to win money because allready did it.

For the record i find hillarious u link asmon videos when he is a total pvp pushover wich got Carried and hard Because mc isnt bad but him. i believe he still have a video ragin and headbuttin his desk when i soloed him on highmountain with lvl 106 fresh dk then claimin stream snipin.

untill mc laugh at him for being soloed and rolled over with a chopper by a lowbie

[RecondoJoe]

i dont need to stream to make a livin boy, i allready made my life and i dont need to show up on a network to win money because allready did it.

For the record i find hillarious u link asmon videos when he is a total pvp pushover wich got Carried and hard Because mc isnt bad but him. i believe he still have a video ragin and headbuttin his desk when i soloed him on highmountain with lvl 106 fresh dk then claimin stream snipin.

untill mc laugh at him for being soloed and rolled over with a chopper by a lowbie

SO WHICH 3100 ROGUE ARE YOU THEN BECAUSE ALL OF THEM STREAM

LITERALLY EVERY ROGUE OVER 3K RATING IS OWNED BY THE SAME 5 PLAYERS.

8 KEY BINDS HAHAHAHA

CANT SHOW PUBLIC ARMORY BECAUSE MOUSE CLICKS WILL GET HIM BANNED

[Jibartik]

I heard that only real men play fortnight.

[Arteker]

BWHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHA HA AHA

EVERY SINGLE ROGUE OVER 3K RATING IS A HIGH PROFILE PUBLIC INDIVIDUAL, AND SHARING YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS AND ARMORY IS NOT ONLY A NORMAL PART OF WOW, ITS ENCOURAGED. THAT'S WHY BLIZZARD MADE AN ENTIRE FUCKING WEBSITE AND SYSTEM BASED AROUND IT.

IT'S OKAY HONEY, I ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU'VE NEVER COME ANYWHERE NEAR 3K RATING.

I DOUBT YOUVE EVEN BROKEN 1550 RATING.

EVERY SINGLE ARMORY IN THE ENTIRE GAME IS PUBLIC BY THE WAY. CAN YOU TEACH ME THIS NEAT TRICK WHERE I JUST GET TH E HIGHEST RATED PLAYERS IN THE ENTIRE GAME BANNED BY CLICKING ON THEIR PUBLIC ARMORY? BAHWHWHAHA YOU SOUND SO DUMB

thanks for proving how fucked retard you are, u can get enough reports in game to garanted ban with enough spam .

A Horde player working on the Scarab Lord quest chain has seemingly received an automatic suspension after being mass reported by a coalition of Alliance competitors, prompting the question of whether automated moderation tools are simply too powerful and easily exploitable for their own good. We previously reported how the Sulfuras (US-PvP) server was the first to complete the AQ war effort, and now infighting between Horde and Alliance guilds vying for Scarab Lord is reaching a crescendo.

While griefing and infighting is in no way a new thing on PvP servers (some would even say encouraged), especially during this particular quest chain), a group of Alliance players on the server have purportedly mass reported one of the Horde players attempting the Scarab Lord chain to the point where they received an automatic suspension.

this is just latest example of it .

if u are so fucked up u cannot understand it i encourage u to seek help ur mental problems are growin and look realy troublesome

[Arteker]

I heard that only real men play fortnight.

i like to being touched b at fornight but thoughs of recondojoe creepin over my roof make me shiver

[Oddbaal]

FF14 > WoW

[Arteker]

thanks for proving how fucked retard you are, u can get enough reports in game to garanted ban with enough spam .

A Horde player working on the Scarab Lord quest chain has seemingly received an automatic suspension after being mass reported by a coalition of Alliance competitors, prompting the question of whether automated moderation tools are simply too powerful and easily exploitable for their own good. We previously reported how the Sulfuras (US-PvP) server was the first to complete the AQ war effort, and now infighting between Horde and Alliance guilds vying for Scarab Lord is reaching a crescendo.

While griefing and infighting is in no way a new thing on PvP servers (some would even say encouraged), especially during this particular quest chain), a group of Alliance players on the server have purportedly mass reported one of the Horde players attempting the Scarab Lord chain to the point where they received an automatic suspension.

this is just latest example of it .

if u are so fucked up u cannot understand it i encourage u to seek help ur mental problems are growin and look realy troublesome

Ah and use https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/players/us
skillcaped stoped being relevant 2 years ago

[Arteker]

FF14 > WoW

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

[arsenalpow]

FF14 is also really good. The dungeon queue stuff is rad.

[Robot]

I enjoy both games tbh. WoW for PVP and p99 for PVE and community

https://i.imgur.com/NQspKXr.png?3https://i.imgur.com/BU9tgwf.jpg?2

[drackgon]

Going to say this. There is very very little difference between WoW/EQ. Classic EQ is ez mode compared 2 orginal live. Wiki/Cable inet/Voice/ GM intervention. How many camps are solo able compared to live..

aka EQp99= easier if not easier then care bear WoW. Just a free version that people love to whine about.

Sadly the one thing EQ had was its community.(p99 doesn't have that sadly)

[cd288]

Remember when Joe said he works for BLM and then tried to call me a liberal as an insult

[Jibartik]

FF14 is also really good. The dungeon queue stuff is rad.

Hows it work? I never played these. How would it work in EQ terms I wonder?

[Jibartik]

I enjoy p99 for PVE and community

ALL CAPS POST ALL CAPS POST TOXIC TOXIC

ALL CAPS POST ALL CAPS POST TOXIC TOXIC
ALL CAPS POST ALL CAPS POST TOXIC TOXIC

ALL CAPS POST ALL CAPS POST TOXIC TOXIC


ALL CAPS POST ALL CAPS POST TOXIC TOXIC!!!!

:p

[Woke Locc]

Remember when Joe said he works for BLM and then tried to call me a liberal as an insult

They do do that

[Blingy]

They do do that

do do

ca ca

shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqYtOjaPE0

[Crab]

Remember when Joe said he works for BLM and then tried to call me a liberal as an insult

Doesn't he cut trees? Bureau of Land Management.

[Vasarious]

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

What an oddball thing to say.

[Swish]

Sadly the one thing EQ had was its community.(p99 doesn't have that sadly)

Early days P99 we had it, people just raced to the bottom when Kunark hit on blue.

[Smurflogik]

What an oddball thing to say.

Have a little faith, baby, have a little faith

[Nirgon]

This is RecondoJoe's forum section now. You just post in it.

[Tankwipe]

This is RecondoJoe's forum section now. You just post in it.

[Woke Locc]

This is RecondoJoe's forum section now. You just post in it.

[peterpal]

It's pretty absurd that people think EQ raiding is harder than classic WOW. But there is the same group that think classic WOW is harder than retail and then never having played Mythic raids or high Mythic keystone dungeons.
The difficulty (and fun) in EverQuest is the leveling part, not explaining your path and figuring out where to go by yourself and how punishing dying is. But mechanically it really really isn't hard and it probably can't even be with the ancient netcode design.
Any new wow dungeon probably has more mechanics that you have to learn or dodge than the entirety of EQ or WOW classic.
Just a little extremely simplified example: there's a single dungeon boss where 4 members of your group have to enter the right random sequence of buttons within 5 seconds which is briefly shown mid fight or everyone dies amidst a myriad of other abilities and this happens multiple times throughout the fight. And this is not even a raid just a 5man dungeon

[peterpal]

I'm also saying that as I'm playing EQ over classic which I played over retail. Being mechanically harder doesn't necessarily mean more fun but I'm not fooling myself that what I'm doing is more difficult.

[Talisman]

So basically, you are saying that wows difficulty is akin to playing 'Simon Says'? Sounds about the right age range at least.

[Talisman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLi1qnRmpe4

[peterpal]

It's just simon says with 4 people that self destructs in 5 seconds WHILE doing your normal rotation and handling all the other mechanics in the game. It's just layers of layers above EQ mechanics

[Swish]

It's just simon says with 4 people that self destructs in 5 seconds WHILE doing your normal rotation and handling all the other mechanics in the game. It's just layers of layers above EQ mechanics

People just get addons and do as they're told for raid mechanics on where to stand/not stand. A monkey could do it, maybe even a lab rat.

[Endonde]

It's pretty absurd that people think EQ raiding is harder than classic WOW. But there is the same group that think classic WOW is harder than retail and then never having played Mythic raids or high Mythic keystone dungeons.
The difficulty (and fun) in EverQuest is the leveling part, not explaining your path and figuring out where to go by yourself and how punishing dying is. But mechanically it really really isn't hard and it probably can't even be with the ancient netcode design.
Any new wow dungeon probably has more mechanics that you have to learn or dodge than the entirety of EQ or WOW classic.
Just a little extremely simplified example: there's a single dungeon boss where 4 members of your group have to enter the right random sequence of buttons within 5 seconds which is briefly shown mid fight or everyone dies amidst a myriad of other abilities and this happens multiple times throughout the fight. And this is not even a raid just a 5man dungeon

I'm pretty sure most P99 players would quit after one day of Mythic Mekkatorque attempts.

[Arteker]

It's pretty absurd that people think EQ raiding is harder than classic WOW. But there is the same group that think classic WOW is harder than retail and then never having played Mythic raids or high Mythic keystone dungeons.
The difficulty (and fun) in EverQuest is the leveling part, not explaining your path and figuring out where to go by yourself and how punishing dying is. But mechanically it really really isn't hard and it probably can't even be with the ancient netcode design.
Any new wow dungeon probably has more mechanics that you have to learn or dodge than the entirety of EQ or WOW classic.
Just a little extremely simplified example: there's a single dungeon boss where 4 members of your group have to enter the right random sequence of buttons within 5 seconds which is briefly shown mid fight or everyone dies amidst a myriad of other abilities and this happens multiple times throughout the fight. And this is not even a raid just a 5man dungeon

technicaly speakin latests xpacks of eq are still pve hardcore than wow .

since u proably know nothing of eq raid beyond luclin or pop let me explain u some stuff

Scripted raids on eq similar to wow did not happen untill god xpack aka gatest of discord

eq had raids where not only u have to move from a to z while presion few buttons u have scripted ridles raid and fuck even u had to do emotes .

Eq had bosses with Doom triggers , wich ranged from having xx hps u die or having to much mana u xx die. u have raids with auto resettin

some raids bosses like the one on udnerfoot u needed to reead a ten pages dopcument just to learn how fucking complex it`s

do you think wow innovated with cata final raid and deathwing fight ?.

the answer is no multi stage raids,

mythic dungueons? eq had these before wow was made . ldon was rather easy if u stick to minimum settin but top was pain and dont make me count of dragons of norrath or serpent shrine.

unlike wow eq had raid bosses wich took another expansion release to be able to be killed

Namely Tunat.

and dont make me u explain the fucking triun god raid because u and me would die of old age before i finish

[Jibartik]

I'm pretty sure most P99 players would quit after one day of Mythic Mekkatorque attempts.

Truth is all those raiders tryed eq and couldnt handle it so they went to wow, so already beat ya to the whole quitting after day one of failed EQ cr's :D

[peterpal]

People just get addons and do as they're told for raid mechanics on where to stand/not stand. A monkey could do it, maybe even a lab rat.

Pretty sure this particular mechanic is not solvable with addons because it spawns untargetable signs without combat log or event indications.
I agree that they went way too far and basically made addons necessary because no one would be able to beat raids on any harder difficulty without them. There's just too much stuff to keep track of

[Endonde]

Truth is all those raiders tryed eq and couldnt handle it so they went to wow, so already beat ya to the whole quitting after day one of failed EQ cr's :D

I don't even know what you're trying to say.

The bottom line is the games are just different, and they pose different challenges. Overall Everquest is a less forgiving game, it punishes your mistakes much harder with forcing corpse recoveries and experience loss on death, it also takes more time to get things done, and you need more people to do most things.

WoW like most modern games has a lot more mechanics involved, but it isn't as punishing as Everquest, if you fuck up in WoW you just respawn and pull again. WoW is also what you make of it, if you want to be a casual who just raids just in the hopes of seeing the raid content then WoW allows you to do that with simple versions of the content. If you want to go hard and be the best then the content is honestly miles beyond anything I've seen in EQ, which I played until I think The Serpent Spine.

Comparing which game is harder is silly because the ways they approach difficulty in an MMORPG is different. EQ will never be as mechanically challenging as retail WoW, but that's not why most people play EQ, and WoW will never be as unforgiving as EQ because they would lose all their subscribers and go broke.

[kaizersoze]

People just get addons and do as they're told for raid mechanics on where to stand/not stand. A monkey could do it, maybe even a lab rat.

isnt that basically gina

[Arteker]

Pre-nerf Heroic Mimiron is harder then any content in EQ. Def enjoyed earning that notch.

Get ur shit right , heroic mimiron was not nerfed because there wasnt Heroic mimiron or ulduar at all on wotlk.
what was nerfed was the hard mode on mimiron.

so i doubt u were even raidin on wotlk at all before they released easy mode on toc ..Because unlike your shit i was there for first kill on heroic mode .
Aswell 7 more ex everquest raider players .

hi hi recondo more bullshit?

[Arteker]

People just get addons and do as they're told for raid mechanics on where to stand/not stand. A monkey could do it, maybe even a lab rat.

average wow player could not even solo a elite mob without atleast big wigs dbm, weak auras and zillon of more addons
fuck u can even script raid bots as people do to make gold and sell runs

[Jibartik]

I don't even know what you're trying to say.

Im trying to say that all the wow players were greiffed off EQ because it was too hard from the start, so already that puts EQ way ahead of difficulty really if you think about it :o

[Woke Locc]

Get ur shit right , heroic mimiron was not nerfed because there wasnt Heroic mimiron or ulduar at all on wotlk.
what was nerfed was the hard mode on mimiron.

so i doubt u were even raidin on wotlk at all before they released easy mode on toc ..Because unlike your shit i was there for first kill on heroic mode .
Aswell 7 more ex everquest raider players .

hi hi recondo more bullshit?

When was heroic mimiron nerfed?

[Arteker]

When was heroic mimiron nerfed?

never because ulduar did not had option to be heroic. it did came with trial of crusader .
ulduar had hard mdoes to make raid bosses harder with few extra mechanics .
And being the only shaman in that raid sucked as fuck.

[Arteker]

Wow players :They complained about fire resist in MC. They complained about BWL demanding MC gear as an entry, complained about bosses like Vael being immune to taunt , complained about latency making fights like Thaddius or the dancing one (Haegen? I forget) in Naxx too difficult even though, while the latency WAS bad, it was STILL easy to do both fights. They complained about AQ being too large and not upgrading BWL gear quite enough. OBVIOUSLY they complained about naxx and its many barriers to progression (8 tanks for 4 horseman, frost resist for saph, the incredible gold cost of mantaining the buffs needed to meet some of the DPS requirements, etc.)

The story goes on through every single raid in BC and beyond. At no point has the wow playerbase ever collectively portrayed any sort of pleasure with the current state of raiding. Its always been 80% whining about that current raid tier.

Conclusion? people are whiny faggots, it just comes with the species tag But the wow ones are a special breed wich was Heralded by kaplan and Afra on soe forums.

Itps a disease wich has fallen over modern mmos or the whole industry, players had become self entitled fags with deslussions and since money wins, they got what they wanted aka dumbed shit to feed their egos.

[Mendo]

starting threads complaining about variance when there are what, 7 raid mobs in game? when /list helps you ezmode your way to anything important?

how sad.

green is the new wow. ezmode game for those that can't hack blue.

Win a race here...

[Woke Locc]

Get ur shit right , heroic mimiron was not nerfed because there wasnt Heroic mimiron or ulduar at all on wotlk.


..Because unlike your shit i was there for first kill on heroic mode .


hi hi recondo more bullshit?

[cd288]

I don't even know what you're trying to say.

The bottom line is the games are just different, and they pose different challenges. Overall Everquest is a less forgiving game, it punishes your mistakes much harder with forcing corpse recoveries and experience loss on death, it also takes more time to get things done, and you need more people to do most things.

WoW like most modern games has a lot more mechanics involved, but it isn't as punishing as Everquest, if you fuck up in WoW you just respawn and pull again. WoW is also what you make of it, if you want to be a casual who just raids just in the hopes of seeing the raid content then WoW allows you to do that with simple versions of the content. If you want to go hard and be the best then the content is honestly miles beyond anything I've seen in EQ, which I played until I think The Serpent Spine.

Comparing which game is harder is silly because the ways they approach difficulty in an MMORPG is different. EQ will never be as mechanically challenging as retail WoW, but that's not why most people play EQ, and WoW will never be as unforgiving as EQ because they would lose all their subscribers and go broke.

Great way to put it. Honestly I would play the shit out of an MMO with WoW raid mechanics but as punishing as EQ for failure

[Swish]

Great way to put it. Honestly I would play the shit out of an MMO with WoW raid mechanics but as punishing as EQ for failure

WoW tried going hard on the players at times, everyone whines and they cave in and make it so everyone is a winner.

[Bardp1999]

WoW has grossed over 9 billion dollars to date - those idiots really don't know shit

[Fammaden]

those idiots really don't know shit

And no one's made remotely close to that claim about Blizzard but grats on your hot take edgy strawman.

[Arteker]

WoW has grossed over 9 billion dollars to date - those idiots really don't know shit

know enough to not get caught and banned on blue like you did.

[Kief]

know enough to not get caught and banned on blue like you did.

Oh dude the irony. This is the same guy that reported Falwen and I at Efreeti for boxing, when the GM was literally watching us and talking to us in tells saying how much of an idiot Frost was.

Turns out he was banned on Blue and is reporting people? Yikes. Hypocrites are the worse kind of sad. No wonder he was made fun of.

Cheers Art,
Keeth

[Catfish Stevens]

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I usually only die 2-3 times when leveling a character to 50 on EQ. In WoW it's normal to die like 30 times in a single day. The only difference is that the penalty for dying in WoW is far less severe.

Lolol then you're really bad at WoW

[cd288]

Lolol then you're really bad at WoW

Yeah. He also forgets that the reason you might die that many times in a day in WoW is simply because you just don’t care about dying. So you’re not careful, you don’t plan your movements, you’re not worried about something happening.

In EQ you might actually die less (excluding any deaths from trains you didn’t have anything to do with) because you’re generally much more careful and methodical about what you’re doing.

[cd288]

Oh dude the irony. This is the same guy that reported Falwen and I at Efreeti for boxing, when the GM was literally watching us and talking to us in tells saying how much of an idiot Frost was.

Turns out he was banned on Blue and is reporting people? Yikes. Hypocrites are the worse kind of sad. No wonder he was made fun of.

Cheers Art,
Keeth

Screenshots of a GM saying stuff like that. Otherwise this is a joke of a claim.

[Hrothgar]

Cut the crap and just play live. It’s a superior EQ experience.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/BvYPTJf.gif?noredirect

[RecondoJoe]

Lolol then you're really bad at WoW

Look at the scoreboard at the end of any single battleground and find me a top player who has less than 5 deaths. Do you even play the game? Have you ever experienced Stranglethorn Vale on a PVP server? These are rhetorical questions since I already know the answer is no.

[Arteker]

Look at the scoreboard at the end of any single battleground and find me a top player who has less than 5 deaths. Do you even play the game? Have you ever experienced Stranglethorn Vale on a PVP server? These are rhetorical questions since I already know the answer is no.

more than probably afk and takin drugs