16 hour window on 7day (& 3day) raid mobs is NOT FUN

[Kahan]

Why? It forces only 2 kinds of guilds to be allowed to compete, those with thick enough neckbeards (aka no-lifers, retirees, unemployed), or zerg (able to field raid force at all hours). The rest of us cannot compete.

You thought Seal Team "Liked Competition (tm)"? Bullshit, they can't win a PHINNY race. The only reason they win 7day raid targets is because nobody else can possibly bear the 16 hour spawn window! GIVE US A FAIR SHOT TO COMPETE. YOU WILL SEE ACTUAL COMPETITION.

Rogean and Nilbog have ensured this end-game content is reserved for only the hardcore or the zerg. There is no other possible explanation for the 16 hour window.

We demand a 4 hour window (+/- 2 hours), or 8 day earthquakes (specifically so the window, whatever it may be, still exists, but there will also be a guaranteed spawn that moves the respawn 1 day every week), OR BOTH, ideally.

Don't even start with the "open raid". Once we start contesting those, you'll see it's really ST vs the entire Green server. IF YOU WANT COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE 16 HOUR WINDOW.

[Kahan]

Why? It forces only 2 kinds of guilds to be allowed to compete, those with thick enough neckbeards (aka no-lifers, retirees, unemployed), or zerg (able to field raid force at all hours). The rest of us cannot compete.

You thought Seal Team "Liked Competition (tm)"? Bullshit, they can't win a PHINNY race. The only reason they win 7day raid targets is because nobody else can possibly bear the 16 hour spawn window! GIVE US A FAIR SHOT TO COMPETE. YOU WILL SEE ACTUAL COMPETITION.

Rogean and Nilbog have ensured this end-game content is reserved for only the hardcore or the zerg. There is no other possible explanation for the 16 hour window.

We demand a 4 hour window (+/- 2 hours), or 8 day earthquakes (specifically so the window, whatever it may be, still exists, but there will also be a guaranteed spawn that moves the respawn 1 day every week), OR BOTH, ideally.

Don't even start with the "open raid". Once we start contesting those, you'll see it's really ST vs the entire Green server. IF YOU WANT COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE 16 HOUR WINDOW.

[Convict]

kek

[matticas]

weak

[conoutoftrol]

no, if u want a life u can't have pixels.

[cd288]

Welcome to classic. The windows might be different but the overall fact of one or two guilds monopolizing content isn’t anything new; the same thing happened back in the day.

Also, good luck with “demanding” people do what you want who spent hundreds of hours of their own free time to create a server that they pay for out of their own pocket so you can experience classic EQ again

[cd288]

Did you just post this in two different forums? Fucking loser

[Sivitri]

I'm confused. How are Liking Competition and Winning Competitions the same thing?

[Castle2.0]

ST gets all 7-days? What?
Only 2 guilds getting kills on raid targets? What?


Where do people get this misinformation from.

But yes, waiting 16 hours for something to randomly pop is pretty silly.

[Bones]

https://i.imgur.com/lwKwXfe.gif

[Kahan]

The Federation has gotten swept several times my friend. The zerg is trash, but sure, it's possible.

[Kahan]

This isn't classic. Classic is 7 days, NO WINDOW.

[azeth]

Join date

[Zipity]

Oh man Phinny...really, you think anyone gives their all at Phinny? They probably have hamsters piloting racers as an experiment. Either that or they sending the D-team. Wait til they send people with max swimming...

[Zipity]

Full disclosure: I would LOVE 4hr windows

[Kahan]

Yeah, they send 40 ppl, and lose to our 10. They send 30 ppl and claim we didn't contest in time even though our person was IN THE LAIR for an hour and declared AS SOON AS SEAL TEAM ZONED IN. Yeah, Seal Team LOOOOVES competition...so long as THEY WIN.

[Bardp1999]

Lower windows make 500 people camping CT

[Kahan]

SO WHAT? you think 500 ppl shouldn't have a shot at a CT kill?

[Kahan]

Just more proof that Rogean ONLY wants ST or Zerg guilds to win.

[conoutoftrol]

just wake the sleeper to get back at the neckbeards when velious comes out

[Bardp1999]

Also what makes you think whiney assholes with lives deserve raid loot? Dragons are reserved for only the neckties of beards and that's classic AF

[zanderklocke]

Didn’t we used to have like 76 hour variance on this server?

[Croco]

I love your moxy OP but the extremely vocal minority here on the forums will never agree with you.

[Bardp1999]

If you think Green is bad now wait until Kunark youngster, epic weapons make people do strange things with their time (like waste entire weeks of their lives, have their wives divorce them, and get fired from jobs)

[LazyHydras]

Also what makes you think whiney assholes with lives deserve raid loot? Dragons are reserved for only the neckties of beards and that's classic AF

Q E D.

[conoutoftrol]

could also go play on red all the dragons are alive and well

[Hotel]

swallow your pride and join st already

[BenDerisgreat]

Only way they win is by boring the competition to death with 16 hour windows. Wanna call yourselves elite raiders? Reduce the window and let other guilds compete.

[BenDerisgreat]

ST gets all 7-days? What?
Only 2 guilds getting kills on raid targets? What?


Where do people get this misinformation from.

But yes, waiting 16 hours for something to randomly pop is pretty silly.

“Random” lol - did you forget one of those guilds has insider intel?

[cd288]

This isn't classic. Classic is 7 days, NO WINDOW.

Yeah and the top guilds still monopolized

[Bardp1999]

swallow your pride and join st already

This is also the correct answer, the server can't support 10 raiding guilds, not even 4 really, it becomes stupid

[Baler]

INB4 staff close this thread because it's spam
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365014


@OP please read the forum rules
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324844
Spam
Do not spam the forums. Multiple threads or posts of the same content, phrase, or message, will be considered as spam and deleted.

[Arteker]

Why? It forces only 2 kinds of guilds to be allowed to compete, those with thick enough neckbeards (aka no-lifers, retirees, unemployed), or zerg (able to field raid force at all hours). The rest of us cannot compete.

You thought Seal Team "Liked Competition (tm)"? Bullshit, they can't win a PHINNY race. The only reason they win 7day raid targets is because nobody else can possibly bear the 16 hour spawn window! GIVE US A FAIR SHOT TO COMPETE. YOU WILL SEE ACTUAL COMPETITION.

Rogean and Nilbog have ensured this end-game content is reserved for only the hardcore or the zerg. There is no other possible explanation for the 16 hour window.

We demand a 4 hour window (+/- 2 hours), or 8 day earthquakes (specifically so the window, whatever it may be, still exists, but there will also be a guaranteed spawn that moves the respawn 1 day every week), OR BOTH, ideally.

Don't even start with the "open raid". Once we start contesting those, you'll see it's really ST vs the entire Green server. IF YOU WANT COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE 16 HOUR WINDOW.

go play wow

[Arteker]

Only way they win is by boring the competition to death with 16 hour windows. Wanna call yourselves elite raiders? Reduce the window and let other guilds compete.

or u can go play wow

[sydbarrett25]

Cant blame it on the developers. Realize the guilds that love socking these are piloted by people who love staring at a wall for 16 hours a day most days of the week. Dont need to point any fingers, you all know who you are

[EqGamer1724]

Lineage has got good at Phinny. This is true. Doing phinny 2x a day for a couple of weeks straight is really good practice. You should have perfected it by now and congratulations, I think you have won Phinny.

However, every guild sees Linneage continuously wipe at PoF and PoH trash and cause zone disruption. More practice there before you get too cocky.

And just win one single 7 day target before you start demanding such changes to window timers. Lol.

[Tankwipe]

Of course it's not fun. Everquest is not fun.

[billcrystals]

There's no way anyone feels good about themselves after a 16 hour sock. It's just so dumb. And forces crazy people (all of us idiots playing EverQuest) to get good at doing a really, really dumb thing. Seems like it could be so much better.

[kaizersoze]

Velketor, sleepers tomb golems and zlandicar laughs in 24 hour variance

[Kahan]

Yeah i guess that's my bad. I wanted to spark some discussion, but please, use the rules to silence me.

[Baler]

for the record I think P99 should emulate, classic live to a T, including exploits. but R and N will never allow this.

[Bigsham]

make it 24 hours imo, you arent supposed to camp stuff with variance

if it spawns while you are online you go kill it

Sorry if your new to everquest

[Kahan]

All of you sheep saying to "just deal with it", clearly do not recall the nerf to clickies, or the creation of a /list camp for Isvha. The GMs DO make changes to the game when there is reason for it. All I am hearing from you is "I'm in Seal Team and I don't want to have to actually compete with anyone of worth."

[kaizersoze]

All of you sheep saying to "just deal with it", clearly do not recall the nerf to clickies, or the creation of a /list camp for Isvha. The GMs DO make changes to the game when there is reason for it. All I am hearing from you is "I'm in Seal Team and I don't want to have to actually compete with anyone of worth."

muh tracking dkp tho

[Baler]

muh tracking dkp tho

Dont worry your guild leader has pixel sickness so you'll still get dkp for tracking.

[kauvian]

If your guilds only excuse for not being able to compete is assembling in time the perfect opportunity to hoodwink the server is during open raids.

Didn’t see you there, try harder next time.

[Baler]

time the perfect open raids.

That's right,. Those who can't compete, Attempt to "open raid" for pras and pixels.

[stephenc44]

I'm all for it. The socking is out of control and totally unnecessary.

[Arteker]

I'm all for it. The socking is out of control and totally unnecessary.
Ex bda?

[alkalinesky]

If your guilds only excuse for not being able to compete is assembling in time the perfect opportunity to hoodwink the server is during open raids.

Didn’t see you there, try harder next time.


Didn't see us there? We led the Inny engagement and got a flawless FTE while everyone else was trying to get buffed. We would have had it killed before anyone even showed up if 15 minutes prior we hadn't been begged by ST not to contest for the "good of the server" and reluctantly agreed. UN passed an unprecedentedly fast rule to allow us to participate so we would stand down. Lo and behold, it spawned just minutes after we agreed to the deal presented to us to not compete. Weird. Such a coincidence.

If you didn't see us there, you definitely weren't paying attention. You are right though, I don't think many of us were there for the 300+ CT wipe.

I genuinely don't care about the drama but the spin, lies, and gaslighting are getting to be a bit much.

[N0tClassic]

Variance has been in place for almost 10 years. You can't go back.

I find it amazing that all these changes and revisions over the years in order to placate the low life losers has done nothing to make anyone happy. The problem is the attitude of raiding guilds. They are total fucking scumbags that everyone else is supposed to walk on egg shells around because they kill dragons. Fuck them. If no dragons on this server were killed or if their was a rotation nobody but a handful of people that play here would ever give a fuck. It's all to just stand in the tunnel showing off anyways. It doesn't even mean anything.

Classic Era Blue Raiding was way worse than this. You babies have it easy. We had to walk up hill to boss mobs both ways. In 2 feet of snow.

Every boss spawn was high drama in the supreme court of loot rights. Not only that, but at that time in the really early days once a boss popped you had to have a force there ready in order to even have a legitimate claim to the boss. It was a total nightmare of a clusterfuck. So like SOLB for example guilds would train the spiders all over each other and wipe the entire zone, including the XP groups. The glory Days of P99 Wild West.

IB was ruthless and pitiless. Their shit stain attitude is still the legacy of this server. They set the table for all the drama that people are experiencing today. It's never going to change. To be elite on this server requires no life and no conscience.

Most of the drama happened before the boss even spawned. You had all kinds of shady shit going on with the trackers trying to train each other "by accident". This is the problem with EQ Raiding. It was designed for role players and nerds, not hardcore no lifers in 2020. The spirit of the game's back was broken a long time ago. Players back on live would police this shit themselves and GMs would for the most part turn a blind eye to training and let shit sort itself out on it's own. GMs were paid minimum wage to babysit adults in pixel diapers and didn't want to deal with it. They would just suspend everyone and lay down a heavy hammer and that quickly solved the problem.

GMs on this server have to deal with affidavits written by some haughty loser in his early 50s. The players have too much power. If I was a GM on this server I would just suspend, suspend, suspend and say fuck you for getting me involved with this. If I'm a GM and you're making me show up to handle your temper tantrums, somebody is getting the hammer. Pay the toll. Don't like it? TOO BAD. RE-ROLL.

My attention would be on the average player who never raids, making the box fun for them. That was Verant's philosophy on Live. Take care of the average player. The majority of players here don't raid. They are re-living nostalgia.

On this server it's ass backwards. Too much time is spent catering to the elites and making rules/changes around their game play. Where is Uthgaard when you need him. Yea, people hate on that guy but he was the only GM on this server who ever treated the low lifes how they should be treated. With no respect and a heavy ban hammer.

The seeds to how things are so fucked up right now were planted 10+ years ago when GMs on this server chose to intervene in mob disputes. They should have just let the players figure it out and adapt over time. Make their own rules and agreements or fuck it, train the shit out of each other and the server culture is what it is. Players built their own sandbox. They should live in it.

Like Blue State (No Pun Intended)

[Delekhan]

Poopsocking has to be dealt with. Bottom line. It's wrong, that's all there is to it.

Unil the player community unites on this, I douby any action will occur.

It would be a shame to waste all the hard work that went into this amazing project.

[N0tClassic]

Poopsocking has to be dealt with. Bottom line. It's wrong, that's all there is to it.

Unil the player community unites on this, I douby any action will occur.

It would be a shame to waste all the hard work that went into this amazing project.

Poopsocking was fixed in more modern games

It's called "Instancing"

[Nuggie]

The seeds to how things are so fucked up right now were planted 10+ years ago when GMs on this server chose to intervene in mob disputes. They should have just let the players figure it out and adapt over time. Make their own rules and agreements or fuck it, train the shit out of each other and the server culture is what it is. Players built their own sandbox. They should live in it.

Like Blue State (No Pun Intended)

Yea, that would be super cool. Letting players grief each other to no end is how Red99 has almost no pop. A dead server would be so cool. You should go play on that one.

[Ashenden]

Didn't see us there? We led the Inny engagement and got a flawless FTE while everyone else was trying to get buffed. We would have had it killed before anyone even showed up if 15 minutes prior we hadn't been begged by ST not to contest for the "good of the server" and reluctantly agreed. UN passed an unprecedentedly fast rule to allow us to participate so we would stand down. Lo and behold, it spawned just minutes after we agreed to the deal presented to us to not compete. Weird. Such a coincidence.

If you didn't see us there, you definitely weren't paying attention. You are right though, I don't think many of us were there for the 300+ CT wipe.

I genuinely don't care about the drama but the spin, lies, and gaslighting are getting to be a bit much.

Where was your perfect pull team and elite pulling squadron on the quake where you guys couldn't down Innoruuk for an hour then lost it to Seal Team after they did both dragons? But good job doing an incredibly easy pull right (this time).

I genuinely don't care about the drama but the spin, lies, and gaslighting are getting to be a bit much.

[Ashenden]

Oops meant to say and elite leadership, not pull team twice. My bad <3

[N0tClassic]

Yea, that would be super cool. Letting players grief each other to no end is how Red99 has almost no pop. A dead server would be so cool. You should go play on that one.

You're comparing apples to oranges

You can't PVP on Green server

Getting trained mid fight will only make your guild stronger long term unless you are a bunch of pussies with no skills

Plus when you handle things with +train it makes the victory all the more sweeter

[Nexii]

16 hours or so variance is classic.

Midsize guilds can only compete if variance is zero or with exclusive FTE lockouts. 2-4 hours variance will do nothing, casuals won't sock an instant engage force for that length of time even

[Trippy]

Midsize guilds can only compete if variance is zero or with exclusive FTE lockouts. 2-4 hours variance will do nothing, casuals won't sock an instant engage force for that length of time even

4 hours variance is short enough that most people that play this game, an get a character to 50, would be willing to do it.

8 hours? Not for everyone for sure, but still a doable length of time.

16 hours? Fuck that, it's mind numbing and life disruptingly long. Only the hardcore neckbeards willing to stay up for ever/stick to a real life schedule purely based around mob spawns are willing to do it, or you end up having to be in some awful huge zerg federation an just fling huge numbers of people at it to ensure enough are online at all times over the 16 hours.

4 to 8 hours variance seems a lot more reasonable/fun/healthy

[Tankwipe]

Poopsocking has to be dealt with. Bottom line. It's wrong, that's all there is to it.

Unil the player community unites on this, I douby any action will occur.

It would be a shame to waste all the hard work that went into this amazing project.

It's wrong because I can't do it! Fix it for me or I will continue to be mad that I chose a real life over pixels!

[Delekhan]

It's wrong because I can't do it! Fix it for me or I will continue to be mad that I chose a real life over pixels!

You really need to rethink your life.

[Tankwipe]

You really need to rethink your life.

https://media.tenor.com/images/2e832f63d723c10a131366f178559cf6/tenor.gif

[Nibblewitz]

Show me on the dragon where the variance touched you.

[Rang]

mental illness

[ClephNote]

OP: I demand instancing, but I don't want to go to 10,000 other places where they have instancing!

[BenDerisgreat]

OP: I demand instancing, but I don't want to go to 10,000 other places where they have instancing!

No one is demanding instance. Please brush up on your reading comprehension. Thanks.

[condap99]

Work for your pixels, or don't. Up to you.

[alkalinesky]

"Instancing" is the tired old trope that the neckbeards employ to shut down any actual debate or conversation on this topic. It's really lame. I hope they spend all their free time coming up with something new.

[BenDerisgreat]

Work for your pixels, or don't. Up to you.

So you think working is synonymous with sitting at a starting line for 16 hours? What a joke

[arsenalpow]

This has always how it’s been. Enjoy a rant from 5 years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/4fw6qw/lets_really_talk_about_high_end_raiding_on_p99/

[hobart]

Didn’t we used to have like 76 hour variance on this server?

Oh the good ol' days. This is what we need more of.

16 hours is for pussies. I think a mob's window needs to be so large that it overlaps with the next window. Are you killing this vox or the next vox? Who knows? It's like time travel from the comfort of your own toilet chair.

[billcrystals]

What kind of a broken person do you have to be to defend a 16 sock window lol. Broken and/or scared of competition.

[Hotel]

What kind of a broken person do you have to be to defend a 16 sock window lol. Broken and/or scared of competition.

very scared of competing with the guy who wants free pixels

literally shaking

[BenDerisgreat]

very scared of competing with the guy who wants free pixels

literally shaking

Clearly the unemployed are afraid of the competion

[BenDerisgreat]

Clearly the unemployed are afraid of the competion

Competition**

[billcrystals]

very scared of competing with the guy who wants free pixels

literally shaking

I don't understand how you got "free pixels" out of this lol. Lineage wants to compete directly against ST, by actually playing the game of EverQuest, not by seeing who can stay up watching paint dry the longest. If there was more than 1 guild winning 7 days socks more consistently maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. 16 hour socks would still be mind-boggling-ly stupid, but at least it'd be more of a conversation. But as it stands we're just giving away all the 7 day content to the sock-squad, which happens to be just 1 guild. It's really hard for me to understand why anyone would want to keep this system, including Seal Team.

[Hotel]

Clearly the unemployed are afraid of the competion

classic :o

I don't understand how you got "free pixels" out of this lol. Lineage wants to compete directly against ST, by actually playing the game of EverQuest, not by seeing who can stay up watching paint dry the longest. If there was more than 1 guild winning 7 days socks more consistently maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. 16 hour socks would still be mind-boggling-ly stupid, but at least it'd be more of a conversation. But as it stands we're just giving away all the 7 day content to the sock-squad, which happens to be just 1 guild. It's really hard for me to understand why anyone would want to keep this system, including Seal Team.

tldr

[Nexii]

Even with zero variance the bigger zerg guild wins almost every time.

[Kirdan]

Where did this straw man come from? I can't speak for everyone in my guild, but I certainly don't like 16 hour windows and I think most, if not all, would agree with me. If you think that they benefit us over others somehow, you are mistaken. We have our low-pop hours just like anyone else. We have lives, jobs, and families just like anyone else.

Thanks for making phinny more fun than it used to be. If winning a couple phinny races is the reason you think you can compete on other targets, I hope you're right and I wish you luck. If you think helping on the inny pull on the open raid is some sort of indication of your guild's pulling prowess, I encourage you to try it on a competitive one.

[bmcgaffey20]

We'll be around soon enough. The UN held us back in way that wouldnt allow us to field members for a competitive target on the drop of a dime after up to 16 hours. See you soon; until then... see you at phini folks.

BTW -- Inny is one of the easier pulls to have ever existed. Lol. Folks at the top on the other side know this.

[Delekhan]

Where did this straw man come from? I can't speak for everyone in my guild, but I certainly don't like 16 hour windows and I think most, if not all, would agree with me. If you think that they benefit us over others somehow, you are mistaken. We have our low-pop hours just like anyone else. We have lives, jobs, and families just like anyone else.

Thanks for making phinny more fun than it used to be. If winning a couple phinny races is the reason you think you can compete on other targets, I hope you're right and I wish you luck. If you think helping on the inny pull on the open raid is some sort of indication of your guild's pulling prowess, I encourage you to try it on a competitive one.

I sincerely hope we all find a way to address the "16 hour problem". It's not healthy for the community long term. Blue is one thing but Green is the crowning achievement that should be protected. I've already seen too many great people leave never to return. I hope we all come together to force a change that supports our community going forward and avoids the detrimental effects the sock has on all of us.

[Delekhan]

very scared of competing with the guy who wants free pixels

literally shaking

I find it incredibly sad if you think that is what this is all about.

[Tankwipe]

make green great again
-Delekhan probably

[Hotel]

I find it incredibly sad if you think that is what this is all about.

its always about the pixels my dude :cool:

cheer up tho, these particular pixels will be irrelevant in a couple months and you'll have a brand new set of pixels to complain about

[Delekhan]

You guys are pathetic, see you in game.

[alkalinesky]

its always about the pixels my dude :cool:

cheer up tho, these particular pixels will be irrelevant in a couple months and you'll have a brand new set of pixels to complain about

I know it's shocking to believe that we aren't all socially stunted no-life weirdos focused on 20-year old dragon loot as our ultimate life achievement, but a lot of us really do enjoy the relationships and connections we build in-game and would just like that outcome to be held at equally high value as the need for speed-runners to get their pixel fix.

[Tankwipe]

I know it's shocking to believe that we aren't all socially stunted no-life weirdos focused on 20-year old dragon loot as our ultimate life achievement, but a lot of us really do enjoy the relationships and connections we build in-game and would just like that outcome to be held at equally high value as the need for speed-runners to get their pixel fix.
We all have dreams

[drackgon]

The UN should of been created to avoid all this mess, power actually given to players. But sadly, UN is just as bad as a shit show See what rule 100+? now. All created over BS. IMO GMs/admins should just go you know what. No rules or petitions for Raid encounters. If your part of a raid force Its your high risk high reward. You don't like other guild train them. Oh they trained you at mob X. Train them back. Welcome to true Classic.

[Fammaden]

This has always how it’s been. Enjoy a rant from 5 years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/4fw6qw/lets_really_talk_about_high_end_raiding_on_p99/

*Git Guud, Work Harder, Earn It, Croot & Contest

The current raid scene is 16 hour windows, staring at someone screen sharing a face tracker, standing at the zoneline with 40 other people, hoping to win a race up to a dragon/giant to get FTE (first to engage) to get a chance to kill said dragon/giant. The big two guilds work their asses off for that content. That's their choice, but not every guild runs 100 deep on a raid, or even 60 deep at 4am EST, in order to get that dragon dead 3 minutes from spawn. We can't field 20+ racers for 12 hours every single week, hell most weeks we can't field 5. This isn't because we're bad at P99 raiding, it's because it's not fun for us. I won't speak for the other casual raiding guilds, but in BDA we want to experience content, but we want to actually play the game. Watching a screenshare instead of actually bind sighting because the bard needs to have selos going as soon as the dragon pops to win the race is very very gross, but it's what is absolutely necessary if a guild wants to earn those Velious pixels. In fact, it's what is also required to earn Kunark pixels in the Peak. For a Phara Dar the other week BDA sunk in over 120 man hours of tracking, being prepped and ready to run up for FTE across 14+ hours. That is the most hours we ever sunk into a single raid target, and it was a turning point for our guild. We aren't going to do that anymore. It wasn't fun. It made people angry. It sucked the life out of people. This isn't even a variance issue. Variance is a good thing to keep people honest, otherwise we'd have 500 people waiting at the zoneline waiting for a dragon to spawn. Variance also allows for spawns to fall into the Euro hours, which is great for Euro players, it's only fair that their primetime gets a chance for a dragon spawn. The guilds that put in more effort should get more loot, they deserve it, but they shouldn't hold a monopoly over the content and that's essentially what it is. Assuming BDA won the lottery and somehow got FTE on Vulak after a repop, we would then have 1 hour to somehow learn how to kite every single dragon in north (because Vulak summons) while trying the fight for the very first time. I sat through Kunark for 5 years hoping to someday see Velious. Now the Velious is here I've been lucky enough to see Veeshan's Peak, fighting tooth and nail for every kill. How long should I wait to see Velious top end content? That's not meant to be a snarky question, think about it.

Delicious. Read well greenies, and behold your future.

[Nexii]

While variance is classic, things like FTE racing and zoneline restrictions are certainly not classic.

[Dentalplan]

Remember when dragons had 3 day windows with a (bizarrely commonplace) chance to extend upto 24h past the end of that window?

[Bones]

Remember when dragons had 3 day windows with a (bizarrely commonplace) chance to extend upto 24h past the end of that window?

https://i.imgur.com/a0mg6zU.gif

[Tankwipe]

to clarify further yes it sucks but also shut up

[Nuggie]

This policy is in place because we, as a community, have proven time and again we will not shit on each other despite different policies from the top(nilbog and Rogean).

Prove to them the community will not shit on themselves and it might get taken away.

This is your mission, should you choose to accept it.

[Nuggie]

woops, should have read "will not not shit on each other"

[Trippy]

This policy is in place because we, as a community, have proven time and again we will not shit on each other despite different policies from the top(nilbog and Rogean).

Prove to them the community will not shit on themselves and it might get taken away.

This is your mission, should you choose to accept it.

What does that even mean in regards to this case?

Surely just do the same thing as now but half or a quarter as long variance wouldn't be abusable (in whatever way you're referring to up there) more than the current system is

[condap99]

So you think working is synonymous with sitting at a starting line for 16 hours? What a joke

This server has been around for 10 years. That's the game. Either you like it, or you don't. Project 1999 isn't for everyone.

[condap99]

I find it incredibly sad if you think that is what this is all about.

I get that you want the code changed... but so far, the only way I've found to actually get the devs to actually change code (rather than just in-game rulesets), is to trivialize pulling the hardest game in the zone.

:cool:

[condap99]

hardest zone in the game* damnit posting on p99 before coffee kicks in

[Immok]

Make the window 144 hrs on 7 day spawns

[Littul Jonn]

Why? It forces only 2 kinds of guilds to be allowed to compete, those with thick enough neckbeards (aka no-lifers, retirees, unemployed), or zerg (able to field raid force at all hours). The rest of us cannot compete.

You thought Seal Team "Liked Competition (tm)"? Bullshit, they can't win a PHINNY race. The only reason they win 7day raid targets is because nobody else can possibly bear the 16 hour spawn window! GIVE US A FAIR SHOT TO COMPETE. YOU WILL SEE ACTUAL COMPETITION.

Rogean and Nilbog have ensured this end-game content is reserved for only the hardcore or the zerg. There is no other possible explanation for the 16 hour window.

We demand a 4 hour window (+/- 2 hours), or 8 day earthquakes (specifically so the window, whatever it may be, still exists, but there will also be a guaranteed spawn that moves the respawn 1 day every week), OR BOTH, ideally.

Don't even start with the "open raid". Once we start contesting those, you'll see it's really ST vs the entire Green server. IF YOU WANT COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE 16 HOUR WINDOW.

Spoiler alert: GMs don’t want competition, it means they have to do more

[Fammaden]

Spoiler alert: GMs don’t want competition, it means they have to do more

Sure seems like they have a ton of shit to contend with the competition levels as it stands. With two servers and the bones of red to contend with, plus the raid scenes of both green/blue, ten page legal documents submitted from both sides on every encounter on green weekly. I'm sure a rotation would be far less management for them to contend with than this meta.

[Kohedron]

Sounds like a personal problem, people who want it have no problem

Good bye.

[Topgunben]

Why? It forces only 2 kinds of guilds to be allowed to compete, those with thick enough neckbeards (aka no-lifers, retirees, unemployed), or zerg (able to field raid force at all hours). The rest of us cannot compete.

You thought Seal Team "Liked Competition (tm)"? Bullshit, they can't win a PHINNY race. The only reason they win 7day raid targets is because nobody else can possibly bear the 16 hour spawn window! GIVE US A FAIR SHOT TO COMPETE. YOU WILL SEE ACTUAL COMPETITION.

Rogean and Nilbog have ensured this end-game content is reserved for only the hardcore or the zerg. There is no other possible explanation for the 16 hour window.

We demand a 4 hour window (+/- 2 hours), or 8 day earthquakes (specifically so the window, whatever it may be, still exists, but there will also be a guaranteed spawn that moves the respawn 1 day every week), OR BOTH, ideally.

Don't even start with the "open raid". Once we start contesting those, you'll see it's really ST vs the entire Green server. IF YOU WANT COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE 16 HOUR WINDOW.


Its always been an issue. For that reason I tend to reroll and enjoy the 1 to 50.

The problem im having now is that, with Green being released, rerolling on blue is kind of bleh. There just arent nearly as many groups around in the 1 to 45 range anymore.

[ClephNote]

Sorry you lose races. Let's change the rules so you can show up and use 19 year old strats in a 20 year old game to win.

You mom will love you again.

[BenDerisgreat]

Sorry you lose races. Let's change the rules so you can show up and use 19 year old strats in a 20 year old game to win.

You mom will love you again.

Rants and Flames in a nutshell: where grown men come to bicker like little girls.

[ClephNote]

The disconnect, imho, is that people assume this is a PVE game and you are entitled to what you can theoretically kill.

What makes EQ PVE unique, is that it's a PVCompetition game. Naggy isn't the bad guy, the other guy trying to take your lewts is. And losing and crying about it just means you don't get the game at all. You should seek games with instances, quest logs and stop giving us /list camps.

If you didn't go to church this week, you're welcome for me giving you religion.

[Coridan]

Then lets forget this FTE nonsense and go to DPS race.

[billcrystals]

I think people have been tricked somehow into thinking that being able to wait 16 hours longer than the other guy is some kind of a skill they've honed and not just...really sad. If the variance is reduced you get MORE of that "unique PVCompetition" that really does make this a cool video game because more than just the sock troglodytes will be able to compete. Why are we optimizing this experience toward being able to sit at a computer doing literally nothing?

[ClephNote]

Every window I’m at, I see way more <Everyone Else> than I see Seal Team. So, how do 16 hour windows make the bigger group of neckbeards bad? Are you really saying that Seal Team only loses because they sit for 16 hours better? What about quakes?

Unless the problem isn’t the windows. But you need an excuse. It couldn’t possibly be you, right?

[ClephNote]

Only wins* sorry, on phone ��