The Joe Biden Drops Out thread

[BlackBellamy]

The precise moment Joe Biden forgot the Declaration of Independence this past Friday. He then held up a pen to distract himself while Elizabeth Warren threw up in her mouth.

https://imgur.com/MzITkPX.jpg

Meanwhile the 'media' has started to push the "No Debate!" narrative super-hard this past week:

https://imgur.com/Qtd2zbw.jpg

I'm not going to post more links of Joe Biden sliding deeper into dementia. Anyone can google that shit, there's no denying what's going on. It's just a matter of how bad you have to get before you are unable to discharge your duties as President. Apparently when your enemy is Trump, no bad is bad enough.

The desperation is palpable! If not Joe Biden, then Sanders will demand his due. After all he didn't come in 3rd or 4th. He's going to tell Warren to fuck off! And then the house will collapse and Trump, like a rough beast, will slouch off to the White House to be born again.

That can't possibly happen so Biden must not debate. He must not do anything!

This angry pushback sounds like the final prelude to Biden dropping out. It's just a matter of when. If they were smart they would have done it yesterday.

Am I wrong? Only 94 days remain until George Soros starts altering our 'mail-in' ballots, can Joe Biden hang on? Can he be handled?

[Kich867]

I was quite looking forward to watching two elderly dementia patients nonsensically babble at each other and forget their words.

What a great country America has become, can't even get intelligent sentient humans to run the country anymore.

Can Biden pick Obama as his VP? Or are there laws against that? I feel like that'd be the coup de grace. Can Trump change his VP between terms? Pence is kind of like if you gave flesh to the Saw doll. He's got a pretty nut-crackery jaw.

[Woke Locc]

Malarkey thread

[whippetofspades]

“The last questions are much more difficult. Like a memory question. It’s, uh, like you’ll go, ‘Person, woman, man, camera, TV.’"

[Patriam1066]

Malarkey thread

[pivo]

Only 94 days remain until George Soros starts altering our 'mail-in' ballots, can Joe Biden hang on? Can he be handled?

George Soros is already handling way too much in USA, may be to late already.

About Biden, democrats (again) didn't let voters have a say. Serves them right. What a mess.

Republicans not much better, spineless pussies.

So, what is left?

[Bigsham]

I still have no idea why all the dems dropped out, what a bunch of god dam losers

i voted still good but just because it sounds funny

i liked pete buttigeg but he should not have come out of the closet

[DMN]

look, fats, you're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.


(psst. got any small children I can smell?)

[BlackBellamy]

I still have no idea why all the dems dropped out, what a bunch of god dam losers

i voted still good but just because it sounds funny

i liked pete buttigeg but he should not have come out of the closet

This was before his decline was widely known - people knew he was getting up there but last year it wasn't so tragic. Also, if it wasn't going to be Biden then it would have been Sanders and apparently Democrats hate Sanders more than Trump.

I mean I know I do.

[Lune]

The precise moment Joe Biden forgot the Declaration of Independence this past Friday. He then held up a pen to distract himself while Elizabeth Warren threw up in her mouth.

Meanwhile the 'media' has started to push the "No Debate!" narrative super-hard this past week:

I'm not going to post more links of Joe Biden sliding deeper into dementia. Anyone can google that shit, there's no denying what's going on. It's just a matter of how bad you have to get before you are unable to discharge your duties as President. Apparently when your enemy is Trump, no bad is bad enough.

The desperation is palpable! If not Joe Biden, then Sanders will demand his due. After all he didn't come in 3rd or 4th. He's going to tell Warren to fuck off! And then the house will collapse and Trump, like a rough beast, will slouch off to the White House to be born again.

That can't possibly happen so Biden must not debate. He must not do anything!

This angry pushback sounds like the final prelude to Biden dropping out. It's just a matter of when. If they were smart they would have done it yesterday.

Am I wrong? Only 94 days remain until George Soros starts altering our 'mail-in' ballots, can Joe Biden hang on? Can he be handled?

lol how fucking sad. If he somehow manages to get elected he'll still make a better president than Trump though. All he has to do is replace all the goons Trump has appointed in positions all cross the government, delegate most of his work to senior administration officials, and then wander around the White House looking for IHOP.

I mean, Ronald "Greatest Republican President Ever" Reagan was quite demented and is still worshiped by boomers everywhere.

[hobart]

Joe is either not senile, or he's been senile for 25+ years.

With whataboutism being the go to (only really) republican strategy, it makes good press to try and use this to somehow offset the current president being mentally, morally, physically, and intellectually unfit, but Biden is no more or less confused than he has been forever.

I remember watching videos of him rambling on the senate floor about the "Columbus Indians" for ten minutes when they won the pennant(s) in the mid 90s.

All he has to do is replace all the goons Trump has appointed in positions all cross the government, delegate most of his work to senior administration officials, and then wander around the White House...

Exactly. I could use four years of business as usual with establishment adults in charge. I don't even care from which party at this point.

[kjs86z]

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco

[BlackBellamy]

Joe is either not senile, or he's been senile for 25+ years.
.

Well I guess if his shadowy cabal of unnamed and unaccountable advisors feels like they have to hide Joe in the basement and start spreading the "don't debate" meme, then that kind of undercuts everything you just said. I mean they kinda know his situation better than you and me, no? And when the standard thing is have you candidate be out there talking to people, giving interviews, connecting, spreading his message, and he's just off-line and off-air for months? What does that tell you?

On July 20 Trump sat outside in the heat for an hour with Chris Wallace and answered every question without hesitation. You might not like his answers but he had them. He went the full hour, and even though Wallace is with Fox he asked some hard questions.

When Wallace later asked the Biden people for a similar interview they told him to go fuck himself.

Facts on the ground baby. Facts on the ground.

[DoodyLich666]

His campaign thus far reminds me of a Weekend at Bernie’s. It really blows my mind that he is supposedly the best the Democratic Party has to offer. All they needed was a young ethnic man or woman with a little bit of charisma to swoon their base, but they decided they would do better with a questionably alive chomo. How is anybody supposed to rally behind him?

[Bones]

His campaign thus far reminds me of a Weekend at Bernie’s. It really blows my mind that he is supposedly the best the Democratic Party has to offer. All they needed was a young ethnic man or woman with a little bit of charisma to swoon their base, but they decided they would do better with a questionably alive chomo. How is anybody supposed to rally behind him?

nah just the easiest for them to control

still not sure why american voters of either party think that their party cares about them or the country at all

[Jimjam]

Most politicians will never be president. I understand the US systems places different political institutions in competition with each other? Doesn’t that mean it is in most politicians’ favour to install as impotent and manipulable president as possible? Doing so removes a check/ balance against them self?

[Daloon]

He literally sniffs little girls.

[BlackBellamy]

All they needed was a young ethnic man or woman with a little bit of charisma

https://imgur.com/y7nqvw2.jpg

This guy must have some heavy baggage to be passed over like that. The rumor is he is super-closeted and that wouldn't look good once he was outed. Not because he would be gay but because these days you're not supposed to hide it. Still better than Biden, no?

So many people better than Biden:

https://imgur.com/TJAtwMl.jpg

Sanders cock-blocked each and every single one of them. He came in 2nd so no one else mattered. It was either him or Biden, and the decision was made. Alea iacta est!

[Castle2.0]

Sorry, Joe sold us out to China. He is weak on China. For 8 years they had no plan to deal with China - can't deal with another 2.0.

Trump is bad on so many levels, but at least he is taking the right approach on China that prior admins and other countries (Germany!) haven't done.

Let's not even get into Hunter, yikes.

Source: 10+ years living in China, fluent Mandarin speaker, reads up on current events and economics

[RecondoJoe]

I could destroy Biden in a debate and I’m not even into politics. Listening to him rant to a factory worker about AR-14s....

[Lune]

His campaign thus far reminds me of a Weekend at Bernie’s. It really blows my mind that he is supposedly the best the Democratic Party has to offer. All they needed was a young ethnic man or woman with a little bit of charisma to swoon their base, but they decided they would do better with a questionably alive chomo. How is anybody supposed to rally behind him?

Biden is essentially the candidate that was chosen by black people. His opponents were relatively well matched until Super Tuesday which was just a landslide in Biden's favor because for some reason the blacks here just love old white religious democrat men.

None of Biden's opponents had any chance of winning the South, and Biden was postulated to have a decent shot at winning Pennsylvania which is an important swing state.

Winning the presidential election in the US is about appealing to key demographics in key regions, not winning the most votes. To win as a democrat, you have to be popular with black people both to win the primary and to have a shot at North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, etc. Also Florida to some extent. The (D) next to your name will carry the West coast and New England.

There are many things I detest about the Democratic party, but its reliance on racial minorities probably bothers me the most. I wish they'd find a way to appeal to middle class suburban whites.

Sorry, Joe sold us out to China. He is weak on China. For 8 years they had no plan to deal with China - can't deal with another 2.0.

Trump is bad on so many levels, but at least he is taking the right approach on China that prior admins and other countries (Germany!) haven't done.

Let's not even get into Hunter, yikes.

Source: 10+ years living in China, fluent Mandarin speaker, reads up on current events and economics

At a superficial level that is also the one thing Trump's admin has done that I love.

But really he hasn't done much of substance to punish China for being liars, cheaters, and intellectual property thieves. Just a whole lot of rhetoric, threats, and some ineffectual tariffs. Better than nothing though

[BlackBellamy]

Doesn’t that mean it is in most politicians’ favour to install as impotent and manipulable president as possible? Doing so removes a check/ balance against them self?

You want a President with charisma and strong personality who can unite the party and move legislation forward. Even though it's the responsibility of Congress to advance legislation, they have abdicated that (the useless gits!) and depend on the President to lead the charge, to unite the wings and to hammer out a compromise. This is why the President is always involved in forming the legislation instead of just enforcing it like he's supposed to according to the Constitution.

The Congresscritters depend on passing legislation they can crow about back home how effective they are so they get re-elected. They need a strong President to make that happen.

Also, the President usually serves as the Party leader so you need some strength there too.

[Danth]

I haven't yet talked to a single person face-to-face who regards Biden as a serious candidate. Pretty well everyone on both "sides" seems to agree the man's a front.

Danth

[Bigsham]

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco

[Bigsham]

I could destroy Biden in a debate and I’m not even into politics. Listening to him rant to a factory worker about AR-14s....

The only thing you can destroy is a box of hamburger helper and a night of heavy everquest

[Kich867]

Sorry, Joe sold us out to China. He is weak on China. For 8 years they had no plan to deal with China - can't deal with another 2.0.

Trump is bad on so many levels, but at least he is taking the right approach on China that prior admins and other countries (Germany!) haven't done.

Let's not even get into Hunter, yikes.

Source: 10+ years living in China, fluent Mandarin speaker, reads up on current events and economics

I'm not familiar enough with economics, but this seems well researched and thought out:

https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/trumps-phase-one-deal-relies-chinas-state-owned-enterprises

Essentially:
By signing a deal that left in place Chinese tariffs on tens of billions of dollars of American exports, Trump has relegated to the sidelines the buyers who determine nearly 75 percent of Chinese purchases of imported goods.

To summarize, the article goes on to explain that China might not reasonably be able to meet the trade agreement goal because the primary importers of our goods still have those tariffs in place, disincentivizing them from doing so. This would lead to China pushing their state-owned enterprises to pick up the slack, which makes their economy more state-owned which is potentially its own problem (apparently, again, genuinely ignorant of this sort of thing).

They suspect this may be a problem though because China's SOE's don't really import the goods we're exporting very much, the private sector does.

It's unclear to me though, what happens if China can't actually meet the agreement due to those conditions? Does anyone know if there's some language in the agreement that holds them accountable somehow if they can't?

Also, if someone could clarify, what are people's concerns about China's economy becoming more state driven than it already is?

[Fame]

Yang gang

[Gwaihir]

Joe is either not senile, or he's been senile for 25+ years.

the current president being morally unfit

https://youtu.be/7bRhMLhc8wQ

[Cecily]

Yang gang

[Baler]

Biden gives me the creeps

creepy joe

[Trexller]

#AnyoneWhoWillStandUpToChina2020

Not this old creeper tho

https://i.imgur.com/AlWUzRo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qjmeKwH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2P5a7rh.jpg

[zodium]

https://i.imgur.com/A2TW0IG.jpg

[Patriam1066]

The only thing you can destroy is a box of hamburger helper and a night of heavy everquest

Lol’ed

[Trexller]

Really Democrats? An old pedo creeper is the best you can come up with?

https://i.imgur.com/haFmjXt.png

[Gwaihir]

"Morally unfit"

With the premise of the morality not pertaining to one's actual actions in this life, rather by how well they adhere to the ideology of the globohomo secular egalitarian religion.

[Trexller]

>>Reality Check Inc <<

Morality has nothing to do with a Presidency, or politics at all. Morals vary from person to person.

The success of the Presidency is defined as how well He stood up for the money that got him elected.

[douglas1999]

Who the hell would elect this weird smell man??

[zodium]

The success of the Presidency is defined as how well He stood up for the money that got him elected.

that was a cool period in the roman republic

cool to read about. not very cool to live through obviously, what with the rampant violence and chaos.

[Lune]

Really Democrats? An old pedo creeper is the best you can come up with?

Well he's never been recorded boasting about grabbing women by the pussy, and didn't have to pay hush money to porn stars he banged while his wife was pregnant with some other dude's child, so still less of a creeper than 45

[charmcitysking]

Joe Biden is clearly showing signs of dementia and it speaks a lot to the gutlessness of Democrats that they would allow the railroading of Bernie Sanders TWICE to put forth candidates like Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden.

Plus, Biden is VERY handsy with pre-pubescent children. It’s extremely disturbing.

[Lune]

Joe Biden is clearly showing signs of dementia and it speaks a lot to the gutlessness of Democrats that they would allow the railroading of Bernie Sanders TWICE to put forth candidates like Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden.

Plus, Biden is VERY handsy with pre-pubescent children. It’s extremely disturbing.

Speaking of dementia, have you seen the Swan interview?

Yikes, no wonder they are screening him for dementia. Btw I administer the MOCA as part of my job; we only give it when there is a high index of suspicion for cognitive impairment.

Biden is not a good candidate and he would not make a good president if he manages to get elected.

But at this point 45 is just so bad that you could literally just elect an empty seat, leaving the presidency empty for 4 years, and it would be less damaging to the country than the narcissistic, childlike, senile pissant who currently occupies the office.

[Trexller]

Well he's never been recorded boasting about grabbing women by the pussy, and didn't have to pay hush money to porn stars he banged while his wife was pregnant with some other dude's child, so still less of a creeper than 45

Thats the best you got? Lolz


Tons of money = bang porn stars, at some point grabbing them by the pussy; see tiger woods

What super rich dude is faithful to his wife? Answer, None! Why bother?

Rich men have hot women throwing their panties at their faces 24/7

Rich men see a hot porn actress and arrange something Every Day

Rich men have sex with hot women, oh no you can't be president

Don't hate the player, hate the game

[Trexller]

But at this point 45 is just so bad that you could literally just elect an empty seat, leaving the presidency empty for 4 years, and it would be less damaging to the country than the narcissistic, childlike, senile pissant who currently occupies the office.

#AnyoneWhoStandsUpToChina2020

Couldn't give two fucks what HE otherwise does.

[Lune]

#AnyoneWhoStandsUpToChina2020

Couldn't give two fucks what HE otherwise does.

Prime example right here of why critical thinking is essential for the healthy functioning of a republic.

Reductionism like this is easy, but it's also harmful. Putting China in their place is not worth otherwise destroying the country.

Thats the best you got? Lolz


Tons of money = bang porn stars, at some point grabbing them by the pussy; see tiger woods

What super rich dude is faithful to his wife? Answer, None! Why bother?

Rich men have hot women throwing their panties at their faces 24/7

Rich men see a hot porn actress and arrange something Every Day

Rich men have sex with hot women, oh no you can't be president

Don't hate the player, hate the game

I didn't say what he did was unexpected, only that he is a creep. Most rich men are creeps who cheat on their wives. Kennedy was a creep, Biden is a creep, 45 is a creep. It didn't disqualify 45 and it doesn't disqualify Biden. Being awkward and creepy around girls is different than being an actual pedophile. And which one was close with Epstein? Oh right.

[douglas1999]

I only think it really matters what policy proposals a candidate or incumbent is putting forward. I do not give a shit what their character is like. It's funny to make fun of their personal shortcomings, but it's kind of irrelevant. I honestly have no idea what biden's platform even is. The worst people seem to be able to say about trump right now is that he didn't respond to a completely unprecedented global emergency properly, which is fair to an extent but not indicative whatsoever of how he'd govern post-plague. The democratic platform meanwhile is becoming more and more fringe and extreme, and less coherent by the day.

[Trexller]

Prime example right here of why critical thinking is essential for the healthy functioning of a republic.
Putting China in their place is not worth otherwise destroying the country.

yes, it is, if China is left unchecked, there won't be a republic to critically think about.


And which one was close with Epstein? Oh right.

Basically everyone who is anyone in global politics had connections to Epstein. Guys like Epstein are used as insurance policies. Among the super wealthy, favors are currency. In these dealings, setting ones self up for potential blackmail, (like photos with epstein, and many other forms) is considered good faith on your end of the favor.
Pick a powerful wealthy person from the last 20 years, you can find a pic or connection to someone like epstein.

Every powerful person has a secret blackmail file. Its how the world has always worked.

Which one kicked Epstein out of his resort back in 2007? Oh Right

[Woke Locc]

I only think it really matters what policy proposals a candidate or incumbent is putting forward. I do not give a shit what their character is like. It's funny to make fun of their personal shortcomings, but it's kind of irrelevant. I honestly have no idea what biden's platform even is. The worst people seem to be able to say about trump right now is that he didn't respond to a completely unprecedented global emergency properly, which is fair to an extent but not indicative whatsoever of how he'd govern post-plague. The democratic platform meanwhile is becoming more and more fringe and extreme, and less coherent by the day.

That's malarkey. The platform is decided at the convention. Neither party has met yet.

[Lune]

I only think it really matters what policy proposals a candidate or incumbent is putting forward. I do not give a shit what their character is like. It's funny to make fun of their personal shortcomings, but it's kind of irrelevant. I honestly have no idea what biden's platform even is. The worst people seem to be able to say about trump right now is that he didn't respond to a completely unprecedented global emergency properly, which is fair to an extent but not indicative whatsoever of how he'd govern post-plague. The democratic platform meanwhile is becoming more and more fringe and extreme, and less coherent by the day.

Compare the current Democratic and Republican proposals to handle the economic fallout of 45's botching of the pandemic response.

Millions of Americans are about to start starving and missing rent payments.

Democrats: Extend $600/mo unemployment and extend federal student loan administrative forebearance

Republicans: ????? Give another $500 billion to rich people

Basically nobody is choosing not to work because they are getting a short term $600 payment lol. They are not working because the economy is contracting, the virus is raging and they can't put their kids in school. All because 45 and his cult couldn't wear a fucking mask and take some simple precautions for a month or two like every other civilized country that largely have the virus under control and are returning to work.

These facts are so uncomfortable for people like you that you've retreated into the delusion that the virus is fake, that hospitals are just inflating the numbers and that's why the US is among just a handful of countries with totally out-of-control infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths, etc, shit so stupid it hurts me to write it.

[JurisDictum]

Compare the current Democratic and Republican proposals to handle the economic fallout of 45's botching of the pandemic response.

Millions of Americans are about to start starving and missing rent payments.

Democrats: Extend $600/mo unemployment and extend federal student loan administrative forebearance

Republicans: ????? Give another $500 billion to rich people

funny thing is none of these poor folk seem to care or want the $600! I do particularly care, because I have made sure every social security number whose owner I know received a liveable sum from the state of WA "PEUC" pot (to my assigned handler, there was no fraud don't worry). To user "Vaye" I never completed processing yours, don't worry I didn't steal anything, but Christ if you can get it filled you could make use of that dual citizenship and flee the country.

This was possible without taxable income history if you knew the person with the correct expertise (me! In certain states, they specifically made a pot of money so that ppl who never worked could get PEUC lol but you had to pay attention). I don't get why ppl don't, like, respect my skillz yet. I'm thinking about taking Juris to Japan if this ever blows over and we dont need all the cash for gasoline and ammo.

-j

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/ZEw1AtA.gif

[Trexller]

Compare the current Democratic and Republican proposals to handle the economic fallout of 45's botching of the pandemic response.

Yeah because there was so much warning and time to plan and prepare. The dems weren't at bat so all they can do is play monday morning quarterback.

Right now, a democratic administration would be getting slammed by the republicans. Their efforts would not have been any better, because people in this country have a unilateral "Don't fucking tell me what to do" attitude which does not recognize party lines.

largely have the virus under control and are returning to work.

Name those countries. Don't just talk. Put up statistics with citations from may 2020, compared to august 2020

[JurisDictum]

Well, Japan did a great job. But were reinfected heavily by their disgusting suzerain some time later.

-j

[Trexller]

Well, Japan did a great job. But were reinfected heavily by their disgusting suzerain some time later.

-j

Japan is currently at its all time high new-case rate.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=japan+covid+cases

[Lune]

Yeah because there was so much warning and time to plan and prepare. The dems weren't at bat so all they can do is play monday morning quarterback.

lol what? almost every other country got it right. Italy had an early mass outbreak of infections just like we did but they got it under control by conducting a competent response.

The only other countries to handle it even close to as poorly as we did are Brazil and India. What great company.

Name those countries. Don't just talk. Put up statistics with citations from may 2020, compared to august 2020

I'm not going to put in the effort to educate somebody who ignores facts and evidence to such an extent that you're sitting here in August 2020 defending 45's virus response. The information is readily available and widely known, peruse it yourself.

Japan is currently at its all time high new-case rate.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=japan+covid+cases

Which is less than 1/10'th our LOWEST case rate at any point since April. Boy, they sure are botching that pandemic response. Not even the same league as the USA.

How can you sit here and argue that the US is anything other than a global embarrassment for our handling of coronavirus. Can you really not see that it's delusional?

[JurisDictum]

Japan is currently at its all time high new-case rate.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=japan+covid+cases

Thanks, I assumed that knowledge was common or that you'd understand it was contained implicitly within my post. But I am glad we can move forward with talking now. Do you have any rebuttal to the shame of a civilized nation, which endured months of global pandemic without any major flareup, losing mass civilians this late in the game because of their misfortune in being assigned stinking, sweaty, smelly, miseducated plague-rat allies? Heard about your goys in green infecting Japs on okinawa? If you don't feel shame and a desire to correct things you are no better than treasonous. The pervasive willful stupidity you are drawing attention to in yourself is exactly what is responsible for this madness, the decline of USA and europa both. -j

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/ZEw1AtA.gif

[JurisDictum]

https://i.imgur.com/ZEw1AtA.gif

hi, I griefed you out of here with a killer zinger days ago remember? Zinged so hard that your lover boy is trying to reconcile, although he's too retarded to have apologized yet. I am referring to the poster Filbus from this board, whose first words to me when I met him IRL boy mode 2 years ago were "you look like a man". A real charmer. Then, as now, he wants to date. Deep confusion. He and you, known doxxer, i have no idea why anyone consorts with. not funny and way too normie, like people from the instagram community or something. He found EQ in like 2015, which coincidentally is when you found 4chan lol -j

[Trexller]

lol what? almost every other country got it right. Italy had an early mass outbreak of infections just like we did but they got it under control by conducting a competent response.

The only other countries to handle it even close to as poorly as we did are Brazil and India. What great company.

Since you missed it,

Right now, a democratic administration would be getting slammed by the republicans. Their efforts would not have been any better, because people in this country have a unilateral "Don't fucking tell me what to do" attitude which does not recognize party lines.


I'm not going to put in the effort to educate somebody who ignores facts and evidence to such an extent that you're sitting here in August 2020 defending 45's virus response. The information is readily available and widely known, peruse it yourself.

lazy like a lib


How can you sit here and argue that the US is anything other than a global embarrassment for our handling of coronavirus. Can you really not see that it's delusional?

I can't seem to bring myself to care who or what dies, yes, even myself. There are wayyyy to many people in the world. The only good part of Avengers: Infinity/Endgame was when half of everyone died. Thanos Is Right!

Do you have any rebuttal to the shame of a civilized nation, which endured months of global pandemic without any major flareup, losing mass civilians this late in the game because of their misfortune in being assigned stinking, sweaty, smelly, miseducated plague-rat allies? Heard about your goys in green infecting Japs on okinawa? If you don't feel shame and a desire to correct things you are no better than treasonous. The pervasive willful stupidity you are drawing attention to in yourself is exactly what is responsible for this madness, the decline of USA and europa both. -j

You'd have to find a person who cares when anyone dies. Japs in 1945? Burn em all. Humans are like cockroaches. Enough will survive to repopulate.

[JurisDictum]

You'd have to find a person who cares when anyone dies. Japs in 1945? Burn em all. Humans are like cockroaches. Enough will survive to repopulate.

Oh I see. I'm going to mute you because your brain is full of murderous gibberish and I'm trying to improve as a person. -j

[Lune]

Oh I see. I'm going to mute you because your brain is full of murderous gibberish and I'm trying to improve as a person. -j

^ this

This fuckin pleb is too exasperated to understand this big mean world and resorts to a simplistic lizard-brained refuge like "everyone should just die". Anyone I've ever met with this viewpoint IRL has been a garbage human being.

Trex you should do the world a favor and lead by example, and leave running the world to people who don't want to kill it.

[Baler]

Why didn't Biden tell Obama how to fix everything when he was vice?

[Trexller]

^ this

This fuckin pleb is too exasperated to understand this big mean world and resorts to a simplistic lizard-brained refuge like "everyone should just die". Anyone I've ever met with this viewpoint IRL has been a garbage human being.

Trex you should do the world a favor and lead by example, and leave running the world to people who don't want to kill it.

The veneer of civilization is a fake barrier we drew so we could stop killing each other over shiny rocks. My view of the world is based upon that fact. Your technology, your cultures, your traditions, are nothing but a thin veil over the fact that without those tenets, you would kill for a dead rabbit.

I see mankind for what it is, not for what you try to ignore.

[Trexller]

Why didn't Biden tell Obama how to fix everything when he was vice?

He did, but this is what we ended up with

https://i.imgur.com/qOuYxM4.jpg

[Lune]

The veneer of civilization is a fake barrier we drew so we could stop killing each other over shiny rocks. My view of the world is based upon that fact. Your technology, your cultures, your traditions, are nothing but a thin veil over the fact that without those tenets, you would kill for a dead rabbit.

I see mankind for what it is, not for what you try to ignore.

https://i.imgur.com/w9xvcqK.jpg

You are a mental midget and your worldview is that of an angsty 13 year old who doesn't understand the world yet.

[JurisDictum]

The veneer of civilization is a fake barrier we drew so we could stop killing each other over shiny rocks. My view of the world is based upon that fact. Your technology, your cultures, your traditions, are nothing but a thin veil over the fact that without those tenets, you would kill for a dead rabbit.

I see mankind for what it is, not for what you try to ignore.

Your picture of what things looked like in the past is fucking retarded. You think Cormack McCarthy is writing histories. But the truth is you would not kill your tribemate for a rabbit unless you wanted me, the person who married the chief, to disembowel you publicly and add your descendents' genes to the pyre. Are you getting hard yet?

The Tribe and politics existed before sentience. You're just a straight-up dumbass. -j

[Patriam1066]

Compare the current Democratic and Republican proposals to handle the economic fallout of 45's botching of the pandemic response.

Millions of Americans are about to start starving and missing rent payments.

Democrats: Extend $600/mo unemployment and extend federal student loan administrative forebearance

Republicans: ????? Give another $500 billion to rich people

Basically nobody is choosing not to work because they are getting a short term $600 payment lol. They are not working because the economy is contracting, the virus is raging and they can't put their kids in school. All because 45 and his cult couldn't wear a fucking mask and take some simple precautions for a month or two like every other civilized country that largely have the virus under control and are returning to work.

These facts are so uncomfortable for people like you that you've retreated into the delusion that the virus is fake, that hospitals are just inflating the numbers and that's why the US is among just a handful of countries with totally out-of-control infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths, etc, shit so stupid it hurts me to write it.


Umm dude

Very few Americans are starving

[Woke Locc]

Umm dude

Very few Americans are starving

He didn't say they are. He said they will be soon.

[Trexller]

You are a mental midget and your worldview is that of an angsty 13 year old who doesn't understand the world yet.

I feel like you could do better than a middle school insult. But then again you aren't trying to hard today. You're arguing with a guy over his opinion.

I don't search the world for meanings that make me feel good. I'm not a sissy boy in a sundress.

I look at the world and try to ask myself: "What is the reality behind this, after I try to boil away all the frills and lies?" Its not candy coated, its not nice, its nut fun, its real, cold, hard truths, as I can see it.

The answer I always get is still cavemen with clubs. So your troglodyte pic may not be far off. I don't claim mathematical accuracy.

I do claim that my head is not buried in the sand.

But the truth is you would not kill your tribemate for a rabbit unless you wanted me, the person who married the chief, to disembowel you publicly and add your descendents' genes to the pyre. Are you getting hard yet?

The Tribe and politics existed before sentience. You're just a straight-up dumbass. -j

Tribes? Chiefs? Married to the chief? lol killing over a dead rabbit is a metaphor for human savagery within us all.

[Trexller]

He didn't say they are. He said they will be soon.

When Americans don't starve, i'll be there with this gif

https://i.imgur.com/h3nXplW.gif

[Woke Locc]

When Americans don't starve, i'll be there with this gif

https://i.imgur.com/h3nXplW.gif

Anyway getting your ethos from a Marvel movie is extremely funny. Please continue.

[JurisDictum]

is this the same throndor throbmore retard guy? -j

[Trexller]

https://i.imgur.com/cOXRWxR.jpg

[JurisDictum]

ok i am gonna actually put up that block now that your embarrassment is peaking. and go tend my husband. teen cccringe -j

[Bigsham]

Thats the best you got? Lolz


Tons of money = bang porn stars, at some point grabbing them by the pussy; see tiger woods

What super rich dude is faithful to his wife? Answer, None! Why bother?

Rich men have hot women throwing their panties at their faces 24/7

Rich men see a hot porn actress and arrange something Every Day

Rich men have sex with hot women, oh no you can't be president

Don't hate the player, hate the game

I like this guy

[Trexller]

BIDEN = Biggest Idiot Democrats Ever Nominated

lulz

[Bigsham]

I think he will just be used as a puppet and they will tell him exactly what to do

Basically the opposite of trump

He does have a real chance to win, but only because certain ethnic groups are so mad at racist america and they blame trump for pretty much everything

Nasdaq closed today 10,941 i wonder if we would have that during a pandemic if hilary had won?

[Topgunben]

I honestly never thought that democrats would go as far as nominating a walking corpse. Its one thing to give a polio survivor legs to stand on, but Joe is just something else.

Lets hear it for Joe! May his presidency be as successful as his multiple appearances on Tales From The Crypt!
https://imgur.com/gallery/n6NZ1

[Patriam1066]

He didn't say they are. He said they will be soon.

40% obesity rate

I’d like to see some starving for a while for their cardiac health

[Rader]

I honestly never thought that democrats would go as far as nominating a walking corpse. Its one thing to give a polio survivor legs to stand on, but Joe is just something else.

Lets hear it for Joe! May his presidency be as successful as his multiple appearances on Tales From The Crypt!
https://imgur.com/gallery/n6NZ1

Biden is a total loser. I look forward to the liberal tears on election night when he goes down in flames

[Blango]

Biden is a total loser. I look forward to the liberal tears on election night when he goes down in flames

Trump will go down in flames. The debt is crazy. The Covid response is horrid. His poll numbers are horrid (even from fox). He is losing in swing states. He lost the popular vote in 2016, and will lose it again. Now with him losing swing states he'll lose the electoral too. Democrats might even get the senate due to that idiot.

I don't believe Biden is a good candidate by any means but he is the lesser of two evils. And at least he will listen to his advisors and not lie his ass off literally every chance he gets and think he knows better than scientist, or try and nuke a hurricane.

[Topgunben]

Trump will go down in flames. The debt is crazy. The Covid response is horrid. His poll numbers are horrid (even from fox). He is losing in swing states. He lost the popular vote in 2016, and will lose it again. Now with him losing swing states he'll lose the electoral too. Democrats might even get the senate due to that idiot.

I don't believe Biden is a good candidate by any means but he is the lesser of two evils. And at least he will listen to his advisors and not lie his ass off literally every chance he gets and think he knows better than scientist, or try and nuke a hurricane.

same thing was happening 4 years ago. I thought he would lose then, but he didnt.

he will win again, and we will have liberal meltdown 2.0

cant wait for it.

[douglas1999]

Let's just go full lord of the flies and get it over with

[Blango]

same thing was happening 4 years ago. I thought he would lose then, but he didnt.

he will win again, and we will have liberal meltdown 2.0

cant wait for it.

I don't see how this is the same thing that was happening 4 years ago? The only thing that is the same is the poll numbers and Trump lost the popular vote. So if you are saying we can't trust the polls, i'm in agreement on that one. But things are absolutely not the same as they were 4 years ago.

[Nuggie]

Let's just go full lord of the flies and get it over with

I got my hide-out spot picked out and food ready. Do it. Go go gadjet-Prepper!

[Trexller]

This guy is completely and utterly braindead. I wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.


"Stand up, Chuck, let'em see ya."
Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008

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"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
Joe Biden, referring to Barack Obama at the beginning of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, Jan. 31, 2007

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"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."
Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006

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"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul."
Joe Biden, on the mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who is very much alive, Washington, D.C., March 17, 2010

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"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened."
Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time, interview with Katie Couric, Sept. 22, 2008

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"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."
Joe Biden, Athens, Ohio, Oct. 15, 2008

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"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!"
Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama after being announced as his running mate, Springfield, Ill., Aug. 23, 2008

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"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."
Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus who were gathered in Williamsburg, Va., for their annual retreat, Feb. 6, 2009

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"A successful dump!"
Joe Biden, explaining his whereabouts (dropping deadwood at the dump) to the reporters outside his home, Wilmington, Del., Aug. 20, 2008

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"An hour late, oh give me a f**king break."
Joe Biden, caught on a live mic speaking to a former Senate colleague after arriving on Amtrak at Union Station in Washington, D.C., March 13, 2009

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"Thank you, Dr. Pepper, and thank you, Chancell... Dr. Paper. And thank you, Chancellor."
At a campaign stop in Eastern Iowa in March of 2012, Biden accidentally thanked "Dr. Pepper" rather than the woman who actually had helped organize the event, Scott Community College President Dr. Theresa Paper

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"You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed."
Joe Biden, speaking to an aide standing out of view during an interview on CBS' "Early Show

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"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me."
Joe Biden, speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, Sept. 10, 2008

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"That is a big f**king deal!"
Joe Biden, caught on an open mic congratulating President Barack Obama during the health care signing ceremony, Washington, D.C., March 23, 2010

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"I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. … When one person sneezes it goes all the way through the aircraft. That's me. I would not be, at this point, if they had another way of transportation, suggesting they ride the subway."
Joe Biden, providing handy tips to protect against the swine flu and freaking us out, "Today Show" interview, April 30, 2009

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Many Many Many More.

[Topgunben]

I don't see how this is the same thing that was happening 4 years ago? The only thing that is the same is the poll numbers and Trump lost the popular vote. So if you are saying we can't trust the polls, i'm in agreement on that one. But things are absolutely not the same as they were 4 years ago.

Dude you cant think Biden is really going to win? Like you really think Biden is going to excite the party enough to get out and vote for him?

Trump is a winner. Biden is a corpse.

[Trexller]

Not to worry, a large percentage of Biden's base doesn't wake up before noon, and then they are too hungover or stoned to remember to go vote or mail in their fraud ballots.

[Blango]

Dude you cant think Biden is really going to win? Like you really think Biden is going to excite the party enough to get out and vote for him?

Trump is a winner. Biden is a corpse.

A winner that has bankrupt 6 businesses. A winner that has 20k documented lies. A winner that said mexico would pay for the boarder, that hasn't been built. A winner that has 10+ cases of sexual assualt actively against him. A winner that has multiple lawsuits against him for bank/tax fraud and whatever else.

Sounds like a real winner :P

Yes, i think Biden will win. And as of right now so does the rest of the world. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

[Topgunben]

A winner that has bankrupt 6 businesses. A winner that has 20k documented lies. A winner that said mexico would pay for the boarder, that hasn't been built. A winner that has 10+ cases of sexual assualt actively against him. A winner that has multiple lawsuits against him for bank/tax fraud and whatever else.

Sounds like a real winner :P

Yes, i think Biden will win. And as of right now so does the rest of the world. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Your a lying dog faced pony soldier.

[Blango]

Your a lying dog faced pony soldier.

What.. Which part do you think I'm lying about? I mean you could just research it yourself but i'm happy to provide the facts for you if you are too lazy to look things up.

[Woke Locc]

What.. Which part do you think I'm lying about? I mean you could just research it yourself but i'm happy to provide the facts for you if you are too lazy to look things up.

National polling is less than worthless. Post swing state numbers.

[Trexller]

A winner that has bankrupt 6 businesses. A winner that has 20k documented lies. A winner that said mexico would pay for the boarder, that hasn't been built. A winner that has 10+ cases of sexual assualt actively against him. A winner that has multiple lawsuits against him for bank/tax fraud and whatever else.

Sounds like a real winner :P

Yes, i think Biden will win. And as of right now so does the rest of the world. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

A winner with more money than you will make in 100 lifetimes.

Who gives a shit how it was done? Winners write history.

[Lune]

What.. Which part do you think I'm lying about? I mean you could just research it yourself but i'm happy to provide the facts for you if you are too lazy to look things up.

It's not worth it, he doesn't care about facts, evidence, or reality. He didn't even put effort into refuting or discussing any part of your post-- his ability to think and explore an idea doesn't go beyond reciting fox news talking points and facebook boomer memes.

[Blango]

A winner with more money than you will make in 100 lifetimes.

Who gives a shit how it was done? Winners write history.

A winner with more money than i'll ever make in 100 lifetimes but yet won't prove it by showing his taxes like the last 20 presidents have done.. Hmmmmmmm

[Lune]

A winner with more money than you will make in 100 lifetimes.

Who gives a shit how it was done? Winners write history.

I was born with more money than you'll ever see in your life, and then I married into more money than your family will ever see in their lives. It's cool you think I'm a winner.

[Trexller]

A winner with more money than i'll ever make in 100 lifetimes but yet won't prove it by showing his taxes like the last 20 presidents have done.. Hmmmmmmm

Money in offshore accounts is Money in offshore accounts. Trump is right in telling everyone to fuck off.

[Trexller]

I was born with more money than you'll ever see in your life, and then I married into more money than your family will ever see in their lives. It's cool you think I'm a winner.

lol I can talk shit too! My dad is a rockefeller and my mom is a vanderbilt and my great grandparents were rothschilds. Im worth a bazillion jillion euros!

lol Lune is pretty much Recondojoe at this point. Professional Self Promoter.

[Blango]

National polling is less than worthless. Post swing state numbers.

Which states are ya looking for?

Arizona -
48.7 to 45
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/az/arizona_trump_vs_biden-6807.html

Wisc -
48 to 43
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html

Florida
50 to 43.8
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

Pennsylvania
49.4 to 43.4
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

Texas
45.4 to 45.2
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_biden-6818.html

Literally leads in every swing state

[Blango]

lol I can talk shit too! My dad is a rockefeller and my mom is a vanderbilt and my great grandparents were rothschilds. Im worth a bazillion jillion euros!

I don't understand your logic. You just dismiss facts and have an excuse for everything. Nothing Trumper can do wrong eh? No point to keep posting if you aren't going to listen to reason or even have a rebuttal. Its just getting silly at this point when you don't have anything intelligent to add to the conversation.

Like i said before... I'm not a Biden fan. But he is a lesser of two evils.

[Lune]

lol I can talk shit too! My dad is a rockefeller and my mom is a vanderbilt and my great grandparents were rothschilds. Im worth a bazillion jillion euros!

lol Lune is pretty much Recondojoe at this point. Professional Self Promoter.

I don't really care whether you believe me, but I'd encourage you to pretend I'm telling the truth just as a thought experiment, and realize in your eyes that'd make me a winner. Which should clue you in to the absurdity of your statement, but I'm not betting on your powers of deduction.

[Topgunben]

What.. Which part do you think I'm lying about? I mean you could just research it yourself but i'm happy to provide the facts for you if you are too lazy to look things up.

When you are a guy like Trump, that has probably met millions of people in his lifetime, you are going to ruffle some feathers along the way, make some hoes mad, lose money. Its all a part of life. Hes gained for more than hes lost.

I can say from personal experience, you cant make everyone happy and no matter how hard you try, someone is going to think they can do things better.

Its like Rocky said, its not how many times you get knocked down, its how many times you get back up.

Trump is not a limp wrister. He doesnt let other countries push us around. He calls out bullshit when he sees it. He goes with his gut more often that not, and more often he is right about things. He blocked people coming from China and was called a bigot early on for it - Then the media did a 180 weeks later and said he didnt do it fast enough.

Obama and previous Presidents always talked about American prosperity like it was something we should be ashamed of. No one truly respected Obama, they liked his affableness, but in truth thought he was a spineless homosexual. Why else was Putin able to push into Crimea under Obama and Bidens watch completely?

Why did the stockmarket explode upwards when Trump one the general election? Was it because of a certain policy he was going to implement? Or was it because people are looking for a strong leader that can motivate them into greatness more so than a politician that can pass more laws?

[Trexller]

This election is just 2016 on steroids. It's not a contest of voter numbers, its a contest of who can rig the election better. Why do you thing dems are rabid for mail-in voting? lol who is to say what ballot counted as what?

"Those Who Vote Decide Nothing, Those Who Count The Vote Decide Everything" -Joseph Stalin

[Woke Locc]

Which states are ya looking for?

Arizona -
48.7 to 45
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/az/arizona_trump_vs_biden-6807.html

Wisc -
48 to 43
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html

Florida
50 to 43.8
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

Pennsylvania
49.4 to 43.4
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

Texas
45.4 to 45.2
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_biden-6818.html

Literally leads in every swing state

No malarkey detected.

[Trexller]

I don't really care whether you believe me, but I'd encourage you to pretend I'm telling the truth just as a thought experiment, and realize in your eyes that'd make me a winner. Which should clue you in to the absurdity of your statement, but I'm not betting on your powers of deduction.

Powers of deduction? Im supposed to believe you're a trillionaire because you said so? Like the rest of us, you are nobody.

[Patriam1066]

Which states are ya looking for?

Arizona -
48.7 to 45
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/az/arizona_trump_vs_biden-6807.html

Wisc -
48 to 43
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html

Florida
50 to 43.8
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

Pennsylvania
49.4 to 43.4
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

Texas
45.4 to 45.2
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_biden-6818.html

Literally leads in every swing state

Texas is definitely in play. I think trump holds it but yeah, who knows

[Trexller]

Im in PA, its definitely still a swing state. It might just be my little corner of the world, but its very Trumpy

[BlackBellamy]

It's unclear to me though, what happens if China can't actually meet the agreement due to those conditions? Does anyone know if there's some language in the agreement that holds them accountable somehow if they can't?

Also, if someone could clarify, what are people's concerns about China's economy becoming more state driven than it already is?

SOEs are less efficient players because they cater to too many masters. If we were looking to destabilize China we would want to make them rely on these so that way their private sector is hurt and less able to compete on the world market. Whether they fully own up on their end is immaterial as long as they're given incentive to rely on less efficient producers for the next 'agreement'.

Our advantage is that even though they know this they are helpless to resist. Having your own protected market segment is such a goldmine they will convince themselves they can stop.

My concern is this will take too long to destabilize China by itself. I would prefer a more direct provocation. I've been playing Harpoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command:_Modern_Air_Naval_Operations) for a long time now and I'm quite sure China is a paper tiger. I think if we baited them in and then showed them a good time they would have a hangin hard time splaining how come everything was done blown up real good in under an hour. I can only dream.

Anyway, I see these agreements as salvos in the war. There will never be a meeting of the minds. The only future both systems envision is one where the other doesn't exist.

[Trexller]

Sounds about right. I'd like to bomb them back to the Ming dynasty. However there would be some sort of retaliation. Its too bad they aren't a sand or jungle dwelling people with tech 50 years behind ours. I also imagine that the chinese would have no problem with millions of soldiers lost... thats not something the rainbow candy american people can tolerate these days.

[Woke Locc]

Sounds about right. I'd like to bomb them back to the Ming dynasty. However there would be some sort of retaliation. Its too bad they aren't a sand or jungle dwelling people with tech 50 years behind ours. I also imagine that the chinese would have no problem with millions of soldiers lost... thats not something the rainbow candy american people can tolerate these days.

Murder is bad and you're exactly as dumb as the commies

Slur redacted

[Trexller]

Yes... Murder is bad...

War against a hostile force is never a good thing. It is sometimes a necessary thing. China presents an existential threat to the sovereignty of the US and that evidence is shown by the Dems, MSM, Hollywood, cancel culture, free speech opression etc. Its just not being done the same way as they did it in china. Make no mistake the end result is the same.

Make sure you keep up that Social Credit Score.

[Lune]

SOEs are less efficient players because they cater to too many masters. If we were looking to destabilize China we would want to make them rely on these so that way their private sector is hurt and less able to compete on the world market. Whether they fully own up on their end is immaterial as long as they're given incentive to rely on less efficient producers for the next 'agreement'.

Our advantage is that even though they know this they are helpless to resist. Having your own protected market segment is such a goldmine they will convince themselves they can stop.

My concern is this will take too long to destabilize China by itself. I would prefer a more direct provocation. I've been playing Harpoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command:_Modern_Air_Naval_Operations) for a long time now and I'm quite sure China is a paper tiger. I think if we baited them in and then showed them a good time they would have a hangin hard time splaining how come everything was done blown up real good in under an hour. I can only dream.

Anyway, I see these agreements as salvos in the war. There will never be a meeting of the minds. The only future both systems envision is one where the other doesn't exist.

Gonna have to disagree with you there on China being a paper tiger. Their defense scheme is directly managed under a cohesive set of objectives and parameters, while the US has kinda evolved into a government-sponsored profit enterprise that produces a whole lot of assets that are ineffectual in modern war.

Consider the F-35 program which has been a colossal waste of money and produced a substandard fighter with a very niche role that would probably lose to 1 or 2 F-15's, and costs more than 20 F-15's. China and Russia both have highly advanced anti-ship missiles that we are nowhere close to being able to reliably defend against. (For an interesting foray into this, read about how many British ships got trashed by primitive Argentinian exocets in the Falklands War, and then imagine hyper advanced ship-killing missiles currently employed by Russia and China). It's highly unlikely American ships would be able to operate within 1,000 miles of the Chinese coast.

China may not yet have the precision manufacturing aptitude or R&D in place to produce the truly cutting edge hardware that we make in America, but corruption in the US has produced a fighting force that is so bloated, ill-suited, and ineffectual that I'm pretty sure we'd get roflstomped the way we routinely (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/war-games-swedish-stealth-submarine-sank-us-aircraft-carrier-116216) do (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/washington/12navy.html) in wargames (https://www.news.com.au/world/us-supercarrier-sunk-by-french-submarine-in-wargames/news-story/f6b4b584359010e6301afab777d91ae4).

In essence, the corruption of our politics is permeating every aspect of our civilization and turning it into shit.

[Woke Locc]

Yes... Murder is bad...

War against a hostile force is never a good thing. It is sometimes a necessary thing. China presents an existential threat to the sovereignty of the US and that evidence is shown by the Dems, MSM, Hollywood, cancel culture, free speech opression etc. Its just not being done the same way as they did it in china. Make no mistake the end result is the same.

Make sure you keep up that Social Credit Score.

Nice word salad but I'm totally fine with China producing groceries for us to consume. They aren't an advanced economy they just have a huge volume of human capital.

Seek Christ.

[Woke Locc]

Gonna have to disagree with you there on China being a paper tiger. Their defense scheme is directly managed under a cohesive set of objectives and parameters, while the US has kinda evolved into a government-sponsored profit enterprise that produces a whole lot of assets that are ineffectual in modern war.

Consider the F-35 program which has been a colossal waste of money and produced a substandard fighter with a very niche role that would probably lose to 1 or 2 F-15's, and costs more than 20 F-15's. China and Russia both have highly advanced anti-ship missiles that we are nowhere close to being able to reliably defend against. (For an interesting foray into this, read about how many British ships got trashed by primitive Argentinian exocets in the Falklands War, and then imagine hyper advanced ship-killing missiles currently employed by Russia and China). It's highly unlikely American ships would be able to operate within 1,000 miles of the Chinese coast.

China may not yet have the precision manufacturing aptitude or R&D in place to produce the truly cutting edge hardware that we make in America, but corruption in the US has produced a fighting force that is so bloated, ill-suited, and ineffectual that I'm pretty sure we'd get roflstomped the way we routinely (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/war-games-swedish-stealth-submarine-sank-us-aircraft-carrier-116216) do (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/washington/12navy.html) in wargames (https://www.news.com.au/world/us-supercarrier-sunk-by-french-submarine-in-wargames/news-story/f6b4b584359010e6301afab777d91ae4).

In essence, the corruption of our politics is permeating every aspect of our civilization and turning it into shit.

You're supposed to lose war games, moron. That's the point.

[Nuggie]

Trump wasn't going to lose until Covid. Now it's anyone's ball game. I think Biden wasn't going to run until Covid hit, the democrats realized it's hard to unseat a sitting president. Especially when the economy is rocking. They were going to offer up someone that couldn't win as a sacrifice. Like Booker.

But now the economy isn't rocking. It's in shambles. There is an actual opportunity. So they put in their Aged Ace. Their Hail Mary.

[Patriam1066]

Nice word salad but I'm totally fine with China producing groceries for us to consume. They aren't an advanced economy they just have a huge volume of human capital.

Seek Christ.

It is not moral for us to participate in the slave labor of many of China’s citizens. Mexico’s labor is cheaper than china’s anyway, and Mexicans aren’t, as far as I know, evil pieces of shit who start pandemics every ten years because they eat dogs and bats and let their children shit in the streets

[Patriam1066]

I’m sorry your generation has to fight the Chinese. Hit the gym guys, you’re gonna need cardio for whatever war comes next

[Lune]

You're supposed to lose war games, moron. That's the point.

What's not the point is to demonstrate a complete breakdown in operational integrity and suffer humiliating "losses" through stunning incompetence, which is what I was referring to.

[Arvan]

Old white guy with mental malfunctions was like an unbroken 200 year chain of presidents until obama then we had a guy who could deliver a speech and speak eloquently for a short time now were back to white demented and this time at a record breaking 4th grade vocabulary

[Gwaihir]

Thats cool and all, but on the bright side....

I won sole legal and physical custody of both of my daughters in court today.

Without a lawyer.

[Swish]

is Biden older than John McCain when he ran against Obama?

[kjs86z]

https://youtu.be/IyaBGPw1VDI

[BlackBellamy]

Gonna have to disagree with you there on China being a paper tiger. Their defense scheme is directly managed under a cohesive set of objectives and parameters, while the US has kinda evolved into a government-sponsored profit enterprise that produces a whole lot of assets that are ineffectual in modern war.

I agree the procurement process was the greatest boondoggle, but when money printer go brrrrrr it's not really a prime concern. We'll do better next time, maybe. Operationally the plane is a monster.

The Department of Defense (DOD) has sunk so much money into the F-35 — which is expected to cost US$1.5 trillion over the 55-year life of the program — that the Air Force has taken steps to make sure that the unmitigated disaster that the F-35 has become does not happen again.

But despite these issues, US military pilots have given rave reviews to the F-35, claiming extraordinary battlefield situational awareness. Some experts say a wave of F-35s would decimate anything within an operational theater.

https://asiatimes.com/2019/07/stealth-wars-chinas-j-20-vs-usafs-f-35/

Yes, pilots are raving about it.

In situational awareness, the F-35 is superior to all platforms, including the Raptor. I’d never been in an airplane that so effectively and seamlessly integrates information to tell me what’s going on around me—and not just from the radio frequency spectrum, but laser, infrared, electro-optical. That’s usually the first thing people notice when they get in the airplane. They know so much more than they ever knew before.

https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/f-35-faces-most-critical-test-180971734/

Japan has ordered another 105 F-35 stealth fighters. This will cost $23 billion and include spare parts, including 110 engines and additional electronic and other accessories. With earlier purchases this new order will give Japan 147 F-35s. That large force of stealth fighters won’t be in service until the mid-2020s because of growing demand for F-35s and limited production capability. Japan will help by manufacturing some components and assembling their F-35s in Japan.

All this Japanese F-35 news was not welcome in China. Combined with South Korean F-35s, China now has to deal with over 300 F-35’s operating near its northern borders. In the 1990s Chinese support for an aggressive and unpredictable North Korea prompted South Korea to become a major developer, manufacturer and exporter of modern weapons. Now Japan, with a larger population and industrial base than South Korea has followed South Korean in an arms race with China.

Japan also asked to have its status as a F-35 upgraded from buyer to partner. That will mean Japan will build more components for F-35s, not just its own but for other customers as well.

https://strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20200731.aspx

Sure they have missiles and stuff. They need operational command and control to use them. They need working radars. Ours will by flying and nearly invulnerable, theirs are going to get turned into piles of rubble one after the other.

We have another advantage. We have have three giant unsinkable aircraft carriers parked on their borders; Taiwan, Korea and Japan. The former will be provide a nice soak-off, the latter will provide offensive capability from too many airfields for the Chinese to neutralize. We're building another one here (https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/us-preps-for-pacific-conflict-with-airfield-expansion-on-wake-island/) which is conveniently just outside their effective missile range.

The Chinese defenses are all static. All those nice South China Sea islands are just sitting ducks. We can pull into range, launch a strike and leave with no repercussions. They should build another dozen targets for us like that. I've read how Van Riper cheated his way to victory, but when I wargame a fight with China I put all the assets I need at extreme range, launch overwhelming strike against target, and move out of range to rearm - because I'm not stuck in a tiny body of water, I have the entire world. After a week of this China has no ground-based radar left and all their 'helicopter' carriers and the rest of their surface navy have become new reefs. I do have some plane attrition and sometimes a carrier is disabled and a couple of frigates sunk to a sub. Oh well.

Chinese planes are held together with rice and dogma. Their J-series has trouble finding export market (https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20180719.aspx) because no one trusts the thing to work right. Worst of all, their pilots have zero operational combat experience. They've never been over a hot zone or lit up for real, and any pilots who could pass that experience on are dead or irrelevant. This is a real problem with their armed forces. They have no experience with anything. They don't take their Navy through the Straits of Hormuz and do real battle drills. They don't fly over Syria and Iraq dodging AA fire and they don't get lit up by Iranian radar. They've never bombed Bosnia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Somalia. Their tanks only shoot at range targets. Their infantry storms building with cardboard cutouts. They don't fight a war like we do every 10-15 years.

Any conflict with China look for India to take what is rightfully theirs, further diluting Chinese power. It must suck to be surrounded by nations which totally hate you. I guess shouldn't act like a giant asshole. And China is asshole.

In two decades none of this will matter. Space Force will take care of it. You can't function if your life is inside a giant EMP.

[BlackBellamy]

SPACE FORCE in action! Assault on China is Asshole Station, 2028 AD.

https://imgur.com/IpQrPVA.jpg

https://youtu.be/asgLef3oVAw?t=14

[Woke Locc]

Thats cool and all, but on the bright side....

I won sole legal and physical custody of both of my daughters in court today.

Without a lawyer.

Fool. :) You're extremely outnumbered now.

Congrats!

[Lune]

I agree the procurement process was the greatest boondoggle, but when money printer go brrrrrr it's not really a prime concern. We'll do better next time, maybe. Operationally the plane is a monster.


https://asiatimes.com/2019/07/stealth-wars-chinas-j-20-vs-usafs-f-35/

Yes, pilots are raving about it.



https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/f-35-faces-most-critical-test-180971734/



https://strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20200731.aspx

Sure they have missiles and stuff. They need operational command and control to use them. They need working radars. Ours will by flying and nearly invulnerable, theirs are going to get turned into piles of rubble one after the other.

We have another advantage. We have have three giant unsinkable aircraft carriers parked on their borders; Taiwan, Korea and Japan. The former will be provide a nice soak-off, the latter will provide offensive capability from too many airfields for the Chinese to neutralize. We're building another one here (https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/us-preps-for-pacific-conflict-with-airfield-expansion-on-wake-island/) which is conveniently just outside their effective missile range.

The Chinese defenses are all static. All those nice South China Sea islands are just sitting ducks. We can pull into range, launch a strike and leave with no repercussions. They should build another dozen targets for us like that. I've read how Van Riper cheated his way to victory, but when I wargame a fight with China I put all the assets I need at extreme range, launch overwhelming strike against target, and move out of range to rearm - because I'm not stuck in a tiny body of water, I have the entire world. After a week of this China has no ground-based radar left and all their 'helicopter' carriers and the rest of their surface navy have become new reefs. I do have some plane attrition and sometimes a carrier is disabled and a couple of frigates sunk to a sub. Oh well.

Chinese planes are held together with rice and dogma. Their J-series has trouble finding export market (https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20180719.aspx) because no one trusts the thing to work right. Worst of all, their pilots have zero operational combat experience. They've never been over a hot zone or lit up for real, and any pilots who could pass that experience on are dead or irrelevant. This is a real problem with their armed forces. They have no experience with anything. They don't take their Navy through the Straits of Hormuz and do real battle drills. They don't fly over Syria and Iraq dodging AA fire and they don't get lit up by Iranian radar. They've never bombed Bosnia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Somalia. Their tanks only shoot at range targets. Their infantry storms building with cardboard cutouts. They don't fight a war like we do every 10-15 years.

Any conflict with China look for India to take what is rightfully theirs, further diluting Chinese power. It must suck to be surrounded by nations which totally hate you. I guess shouldn't act like a giant asshole. And China is asshole.

In two decades none of this will matter. Space Force will take care of it. You can't function if your life is inside a giant EMP.

All good points.

I have heard a lot of horror stories from people who are prior service though. Had a friend who was a logistics officer in the army and he was quite sure if we ever got in a shooting war with non-primitives we'd be fucked. Stuff like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soQulLVbZyI) among other things. But then, I'm sure the Chinese military is full of people with similar opinions.

[Danth]

What pilots are you asking? Air Force pilots have at times been under orders not to say anything negative about the F-35. They might still be, I haven't checked in a couple years. Marines generally appreciate their version because they're replacing the deathtraps known as Harriers. The Navy has waffled between lukewarm to accepting it because they need aircraft and that's what they're going to get.

At any rate the main problem with the F-35 is that folks want to think of it as a fighter because it's numbered in the fighter series. It's more of a modern equivalent to the F-105, really a bomber first. Nothing with a wing loading as high as that thing has can be called a true air fighter. The cost (both to buy and to maintain/operate) of both it and the F-22 also represent serious problems; they're too expensive to be willing to risk in battle or even to field them in truly sufficient quantities for any length of time. Air power has reached the same point that dreadnought battleship fleets had reached by WW1. That war was not decided by those fleets of steel ships. The next great war will not be decided by high-tech manned single-seaters.

They should be very good at conducting bombing missions against second-tier enemies (the kind we usually end up in fights against) who are obtaining increasingly effective air defense weapons. They're expensive for that, too, but maximum survivability matters given a public that has no tolerance for casualties.

Danth

[kjs86z]

https://twitter.com/ubiquitol/status/1290037417202786305

lmao

[Gwaihir]

Fool. :) You're extremely outnumbered now.

Congrats!

Yep. 5:1. It's my lot in life to be surrounded by beautiful women. Unfortunately, I had a different situation in mind on how that was to go down when I was younger.

[Jimjam]

Am i understanding the thread right?

Why is Biden dropping out of a fighterbomber?

Is this like when mayor of London, Borris Johnson (now pm) paradropped into the London 2012 Olympic ceremony?

[BlackBellamy]

I had a different situation in mind on how that was to go down when I was younger.

Was it like you were gonna be Speed Racer except instead of the monkey you had a crew of five sexy girls who would wax your car and cheer you on as you won every race? I bet it was that specific thing. Anyway, nothing like a 2nd mortgage to kill that dream, right?

[Gwaihir]

Was it like you were gonna be Speed Racer except instead of the monkey you had a crew of five sexy girls who would wax your car and cheer you on as you won every race? I bet it was that specific thing. Anyway, nothing like a 2nd mortgage to kill that dream, right?

You know it, baby. I was gonna taste the rainbow with a harem full of sexy scantily clad women from every corner of the earth, except that really big corner, south of Europe; as is my due, being the pinnacle of human evolution (Anglo/Nordic)

[Woke Locc]

Am i understanding the thread right?

Why is Biden dropping out of a fighterbomber?

Is this like when mayor of London, Borris Johnson (now pm) paradropped into the London 2012 Olympic ceremony?

Off Topic be like that.

Question - was the f35 intended for dogfighting and if not why are you voting for Biden?

[Bigsham]

Trump wasn't going to lose until Covid. Now it's anyone's ball game. I think Biden wasn't going to run until Covid hit, the democrats realized it's hard to unseat a sitting president. Especially when the economy is rocking. They were going to offer up someone that couldn't win as a sacrifice. Like Booker.

But now the economy isn't rocking. It's in shambles. There is an actual opportunity. So they put in their Aged Ace. Their Hail Mary.

Are you stupid? We are like 3 points from nasdaq hitting 11k?

4 of my mutuals are up 40% or more for the year?

Sorry you have 0 dollars and live with mom?

Apple Splitting in a couple weeks due to 2 trillion fucking dollar cap?

[Danth]

Off Topic be like that.

Question - was the f35 intended for dogfighting?

It has a terrible wing loading and an okay thrust-to-weight ratio. It implies an a/c which will have a fairly wide turn radius and that'll bleed energy rapidly in any sort of hard maneuver. It does not have enough of a T/W advantage over its likely opposition to be able to reliably over-power them the way an F-4 could dance on the heads of MiG 17's back in the 60's. The vision out of the cockpit is not great. Nearly any purpose-built fighter will exceed its performance in those areas. A close-in knife-fight will play away from its strengths to put it mildly.

It's at its best destroying enemy from a distance when the other guys don't even know it's there and for penetrating enemy air defense. It has an excellent radar and very good missles and datalink provides excellent situation awareness of the larger battlefield. It should be effective as an interceptor provided it can be waiting for its targets in advance; it isn't fast enough to run stuff down. It should also be very good as a tactical bomber which I suspect will prove to be its primary use.

The Navy version has a much greater wing area and may wind up somewhat better in a close-in fight, although this is mostly a side-effect of the Navy wanting lower landing speeds and more fuel capacity. I prefer to think of the F-35A as a modern take on the F-105, mainly a bomber with secondary air-to-air capability. The excessive cost will hurt it as its users will have a hard time fielding enough of them and also likely prove hesitant to place it in harm's way.

This ignores its great many teething troubles and delays, which taken together could fill several volumes. It's a troubled program. In the end I expect it'll prove to be a functional aircraft and decent at several specific jobs, but one that'll never live up to its lofty original goals even after all the cost overruns....shades of the F-111 program. History repeats except this time we don't have McNamara to blame.

Danth

[Bigsham]

stop talking about stupid jets no one cares, none of you will ever fly one or even look at one in real life

this is the joe biden thread

[Kennie]

Why is every thread in this forum ruined by libtards and poor people trying to act like they have money?

[Woke Locc]

It has a terrible wing loading and an okay thrust-to-weight ratio. It implies an a/c which will have a fairly wide turn radius and that'll bleed energy rapidly in any sort of hard maneuver. It does not have enough of a T/W advantage over its likely opposition to be able to reliably over-power them the way an F-4 could dance on the heads of MiG 17's back in the 60's. The vision out of the cockpit is not great. Nearly any purpose-built fighter will exceed its performance in those areas. A close-in knife-fight will play away from its strengths to put it mildly.

It's at its best destroying enemy from a distance when the other guys don't even know it's there and for penetrating enemy air defense. It has an excellent radar and very good missles and datalink provides excellent situation awareness of the larger battlefield. It should be effective as an interceptor provided it can be waiting for its targets in advance; it isn't fast enough to run stuff down. It should also be very good as a tactical bomber which I suspect will prove to be its primary use.

The Navy version has a much greater wing area and may wind up somewhat better in a close-in fight, although this is mostly a side-effect of the Navy wanting lower landing speeds and more fuel capacity. I prefer to think of the F-35A as a modern take on the F-105, mainly a bomber with secondary air-to-air capability. The excessive cost will hurt it as its users will have a hard time fielding enough of them and also likely prove hesitant to place it in harm's way.

This ignores its great many teething troubles and delays, which taken together could fill several volumes. It's a troubled program. In the end I expect it'll prove to be a functional aircraft and decent at several specific jobs, but one that'll never live up to its lofty original goals even after all the cost overruns....shades of the F-111 program. History repeats except this time we don't have McNamara to blame.

Danth

F22 was sposed to fill the fighter role. F35 isn't designed for that purpose so critizing it from that angle is pretty lame.

Diversity, strength, etc.

[Jimjam]

why are you voting for Biden?

I will not be voting this year but I think they will have me vote by mail.

[BarnabusCollins]

Book not up.

[BlackBellamy]

I will not be voting this year but I think they will have me vote by mail.

I usually vote twice, once in NJ and once in NY because I was going to sell my NJ house but never did so I just stayed in both places. Like they asked me to pick a primary residence and well I stay 3 days in one and 4 days in the other or the other way around and I have cars registered in both states so my primary residence is the one that I'm at at that time. Whatever. These people don't know what they fuck they're doing, or rather they don't talk to teach other same difference.

I'm only concerned about the local races. That's why I vote twice, for the local guys around my property and such, don't care about the president I mean I do but NY/NJ that vote doesn't count for me.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because I'm really concerned about the mail-in business. I don't care if they change my vote to Biden, but I need the local slate to go full red. Local blues all they do is increase school taxes to enrich the teachers union and try to close my gun ranges.

[HalflingSpergand]

I had a dream last night that biden was funny and cool. That would be a much better storyline imo

[zodium]

excited for President Hindenburg

[Bigsham]

I will not be voting this year but I think they will have me vote by mail.

This is very cute !

Also lol at anything bellamy types in a ramble of drug induced gaming binges

[Kich867]

Why is every thread in this forum ruined by libtards and poor people trying to act like they have money?

Somehow you managed to summarize literally every person in America, that's impressive.

[magnetaress]

I will not be voting this year but I think they will have me vote by mail.

Higher than 40% chance for me.

[beh]

There are many things I detest about the Democratic party, but its reliance on racial minorities probably bothers me the most. I wish they'd find a way to appeal to middle class suburban whites.

Stopped reading the thread and felt compelled to reply when I saw this. I'm pretty sure that "appealing to middle class suburban whites" is literally all that the U.S. has done since the beginning. Well, we didn't always have suburbs, but hopefully you get my point.

As a middle class suburban white guy, I'm pretty sure I can handle letting literally anyone else speak up for and get what they want for once. If appealing to minorities and at least making an attempt to normalize equality is something that turns off white voters, that says more about them than it does about any Democratic candidate or platform.

[Castle2.0]

I'm pretty sure that "appealing to middle class suburban whites" is literally all that the U.S. has done since the beginning. America didn't have a solid middle class until post-WW2 so this statement is false. Most people were broke in America for a long time, just like most countries.

One time I heard "white people perform better on the SAT because the way our founding fathers built this country and excluded others."

My response: "Our founding fathers were Asian immigrants and mostly female? Because those people are CRUSHING the SAT."

[magnetaress]

Biden is gross but black centrists are probably primarily what secured him the vote.

If they're happy with the status quo. I can respect their voice.

We probably won't descend into communistic fascism prior to two terms of republicans, and it will be a knee-jerk response to some existential crisis on the level of exploding buildings.

That said I think Gabbard, Warren would have been fun presidents.

Would have loved Army chick president the most personally.

[HalflingSpergand]

Stopped reading the thread and felt compelled to reply when I saw this. I'm pretty sure that "appealing to middle class suburban whites" is literally all that the U.S. has done since the beginning. Well, we didn't always have suburbs, but hopefully you get my point.

As a middle class suburban white guy, I'm pretty sure I can handle letting literally anyone else speak up for and get what they want for once. If appealing to minorities and at least making an attempt to normalize equality is something that turns off white voters, that says more about them than it does about any Democratic candidate or platform.

Oh good you went to public school

[beh]

America didn't have a solid middle class until post-WW2 so this statement is false. Most people were broke in America for a long time, just like most countries.

One time I heard "white people perform better on the SAT because the way our founding fathers built this country and excluded others."

My response: "Our founding fathers were Asian immigrants and mostly female? Because those people are CRUSHING the SAT."

Yeah, I understand that an actual "middle-class" did not evolve until the mid 20th century. I was making a point within the context of the quote. I'm fairly sure my point is an obvious one and if you're going to argue that black people haven't been and aren't still being systemically disenfranchised, then this thread probably isn't the place to unpack that delusional attitude.

Oh good you went to public school

Care to elaborate on that?

[Patriam1066]

Oh good you went to public school

Dunk of the month so far

[Bigsham]

So did i, and ill whoop your ass in 3 seconds

[beh]

Dunk of the month so far

"dUnK oF tHe mOnTh" bounced off the fucking rim for a total of zero points.

[Gwaihir]

Yeah, I understand that an actual "middle-class" did not evolve until the mid 20th century. I was making a point within the context of the quote. I'm fairly sure my point is an obvious one and if you're going to argue that black people haven't been and aren't still being systemically disenfranchised, then this thread probably isn't the place to unpack that delusional attitude.



Care to elaborate on that?
Ill take up the argument that black people aren't still being systemically disenfranchised.

The reality is every one of the fortune 500 companies are frothing out the mouth to increase their diversity quotas.

The lack of representation, at this point is due to the fact that black people, on the whole, choose to embrace a lifestyle of degeneracy and criminality throughout their youth and early adulthood, subsequently shirking their education, scuttling their future prospects, and earning themselves a rap sheet before they reach an age and education level which would easily catapult them into the most lucrative job markets in the US.

Those who reject the media induced "black culture" are generally much better off than their white peers due to all of the systems in place which grant advantages to every people other than white people.

Now, we're approaching a topic where one would have assess the relative number of black people willing to reject the media-induced ideology of "black culture" in order to succeed in "american culture" and posit questions as to why more black people dont choose to accept the obviously more lucrative lifepath, but thats a matter for actual black people to answer for. As it stands, and like Biden said, "unlike the african american community, with the exception of notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with different attitudes about different things."

By the way, which ethnic group owns the 90% majority of the news media, creating, promoting, and perpetuating degenerative "black culture"? It's not "white" people.

[magnetaress]

Ill take up the argument that black people aren't still being systemically disenfranchised.

The reality is every one of the fortune 500 companies are frothing out the mouth to increase their diversity quotas.

The lack of representation, at this point is due to the fact that black people, on the whole, choose to embrace a lifestyle of degeneracy and criminality throughout their youth and early adulthood, subsequently shirking their education, scuttling their future prospects, and earning themselves a rap sheet before they reach an age and education level which would easily catapult them into the most lucrative job markets in the US.

Those who reject the media induced "black culture" are generally much better off than their white peers due to all of the systems in place which grant advantages to every people other than white people.

Now, we're approaching a topic where one would have assess the relative number of black people willing to reject the media-induced ideology of "black culture" in order to succeed in "american culture" and posit questions as to why more black people dont choose to accept the obviously more lucrative lifepath, but thats a matter for actual black people to answer for. As it stands, and like Biden said, "unlike the african american community, with the exception of notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with different attitudes about different things."

By the way, which ethnic group owns the 90% majority of the news media, creating, promoting, and perpetuating degenerative "black culture"? It's not "white" people.

https://i.imgur.com/RglGcLk.gif

[Gwaihir]

I should also add that said degenerative culture glorifies black on black violence, largely created and perpetuated by (((those who own the media))) which only serves to reinforce adherence to the trope; where diverting away from said culture puts would-be higher minded african americans in danger of violent backlash from their peers which is why programs are in place to remove said outliers from the influence of their degenerative peers by shuttling them to educational opportunities in more affluent areas where they can pursue their educational endeavors without the chicken hawks lording over them demanding their black card, and sometimes even their lives, in retaliation.

Now, we can argue that these programs are not protective or encompassing enough as it pertains to safeguarding them from backlash in their private lives, but again thats a tertiary matter, and is a microcosm of the macro effect produced by the media owned by a significantly overrepresented minority throughout the economic upper-echelons, and the US govt as well.

So, i suppose, in sum, we can agree that these issues are systemic Jowever we disagree as to the group identity of the perpetuating party.

Are white people prejudiced against black people? Yes, and rightly so due to the danger black culture imposes upon society on the whole. Are we responsible for it? I suppose that depends on whether you think the relationship between media and life is art reflecting life, or life reflecting art.

[Gwaihir]

Now, with that said, remedying the situation becomes the issue. As of late, it's fairly obvious that media is making some effort to integrate the "black man" into it's programming, but to what end? Assimilating the Black man into TV shows where the Black man is indiscernibly likenened to the white man decries calls of "whitewashing", so the alternative is a societal shift toward "Black culture".

If the latter premise is utilized, this suggests that society, on the whole, should slide toward encompassing more elements of "Black culture" into the overarching culture; this means that in order to assimilate fundamental changes would have to occur for "American culture" to be more likened to "Black culture" which is where disagreement lies. Should america be more tolerant of violence, and criminality within our culture, or should we be seeking to reduce said influence?

[Gustoo]

Sorry, Joe sold us out to China. He is weak on China. For 8 years they had no plan to deal with China - can't deal with another 2.0.

Trump is bad on so many levels, but at least he is taking the right approach on China that prior admins and other countries (Germany!) haven't done.

Let's not even get into Hunter, yikes.

Source: 10+ years living in China, fluent Mandarin speaker, reads up on current events and economics


Trump is terrible on china. Abandons our pacific alies in the treaty we started, demolishes our foreign service totally hamstringing our position across the globe, leaves china to expand their footprint in the south china sea where our alies typically depend on us to keep them in check. Literally worst possible fake tough on china guy ever.

[magnetaress]

Joe is for sure going to screw anyone not snow white. And some snow white people too.

But so is Trump probably more or less. IDK. Really.

[Kich867]

On the next episode of "Stuff Gwaihir Says":

"Poor people should just get a better job, then they wouldn't be poor anymore" ~ Gwaihir (probably)

[Woke Locc]

Joe is for sure going to screw anyone not snow white. And some snow white people too.

But so is Trump probably more or less. IDK. Really.

Abandoning the Dem coalition to win over Republicans is one of Lune's more harebrained ideas.

Dunk stands.

[Gwaihir]

On the next episode of "Stuff Gwaihir Says":

Imagine suggesting it's difficult to get any job better paying than:

"Welfare recipient"

[douglas1999]

The african american population in the US is considerably poorer than the population of african *immigrants* currently living in america. I doubt anyone is going to argue that people born in west africa have some kind of leg up compared to african americans born in america in the modern day, because that would be a totally incoherent argument. At some point the left needs to honestly address the element of american black culture that glorifies violence and castigates educational achievement if they actually want to improve conditions for black americans and not just regurgitate nice-sounding lip service.

And no it's not racist to point this out, scores of black academics already do, and it's also a very specific issue with *young* black men. It's not an issue with older black men nor young or old black women. People who claim to advocate for "racial justice" are so neurotically unable to criticize elements of american black culture that are directly detrimental to black populations and I have little hope that they'll ever grow enough of a spine to do so.

[magnetaress]

The african american population in the US is considerably poorer than the population of african *immigrants* currently living in america. I doubt anyone is going to argue that people born in west africa have some kind of leg up compared to african americans born in america in the modern day, because that would be a totally incoherent argument. At some point the left needs to honestly address the element of american black culture that glorifies violence and castigates educational achievement if they actually want to improve conditions for black americans and not just regurgitate nice-sounding lip service.

And no it's not racist to point this out, scores of black academics already do, and it's also a very specific issue with *young* black men. It's not an issue with older black men nor young or old black women. People who claim to advocate for "racial justice" are so neurotically unable to criticize elements of american black culture that are directly detrimental to black populations and I have little hope that they'll ever grow enough of a spine to do so.

We just need to give them land to farm and put them on it so they can do an honest day's work for once.

0.o (yikes at what I just typed)

You do make it sound like black people can't and won't go to Elons mars tho. (Very fckn cool TV show though)

Look it's not just young black males. Or even necessarily males in general. Law and economy has gotten real hard and bookish. As a male. I'm going to say it's too damn hard. Already. Bureaucracy is all well and good but the underclasses and ultraviolet dumbs like me need to be well insulated from it or your society will inevitably crumble towards genuine anarchy and chaos.

Gimme a hammer I'm fixn to build a utopia. Hurrr hurr.

[Kich867]

Imagine suggesting it's difficult to get any job better paying than:

"Welfare recipient"

Sorry not everyone lives in the midwest where everything is free and the whole economy is held up by government aid. A lot of us live where things actually cost money and being Kyle's tractor driver for free rent and beer money doesn't actually constitute a career.

Btw my rent is twice the amount someone working minimum wage earns per month and my apartment isn't even that nice.

[Blingy]

Sorry not everyone lives in the midwest where everything is free and the whole economy is held up by government aid. A lot of us live where things actually cost money and being Kyle's tractor driver for free rent and beer money doesn't actually constitute a career.

I'm guessing you're not all that familiar with how farming and growing crops works or even what the lifestyle in the midwest is like. Listening to a CNN mouthpiece for 30 seconds doesn't make you an expert in whatever subject they gave a sound bite about.


Btw my rent is twice the amount someone working minimum wage earns per month and my apartment isn't even that nice.

This means nothing. Cost of living varies greatly from one place to another. A $7.25/hour earner would have to work 1000 hours a month to afford renting a house in my neighborhood. Nothing in my neighborhood is over 1500 square feet and all the houses are 60+ years old.....nothing fancy. Please compare apples to apples.

[Gwaihir]

Sorry not everyone lives in the midwest where everything is free and the whole economy is held up by government aid. A lot of us live where things actually cost money and being Kyle's tractor driver for free rent and beer money doesn't actually constitute a career.

Btw my rent is twice the amount someone working minimum wage earns per month and my apartment isn't even that nice.

so, you're saying, its a bad idea to drop out of school and start up a career strong-arming people for pocket change while repping your block selling dime bags at the corner liquor store in these higher demand areas instead of focusing on your education with free scholarships, of which there are plenty, because you're black, if you want to land a well paying job in an affluent area?

Well, it's nice to see we agree.

Bruh, i grew up in a "Black" neighborhood. I seen't how it is; watched my brother get strong-armed for his first paycheck by the local crip gang, watched half the crew get locked up for coercing a local underage hood rat into letting the crew pull a train on her only to have her dad get home early from work and report them for rape and erryting

[Bigsham]

Some racist posts here, also most of you are stupid

donald is the only person to do anything regarding overseas manufacturing, the tariffs on mexican produce , car parts and china air freight tariffs are injecting billions into US Economy but none of you would know that due to dirt poor poverty also moms house

See you at the polls

[Kich867]

so, you're saying, its a bad idea to drop out of school and start up a career strong-arming people for pocket change while repping your block selling dime bags at the corner liquor store in these higher demand areas instead of focusing on your education with free scholarships, of which there are plenty, because you're black, if you want to land a well paying job in an affluent area?

Well, it's nice to see we agree.

Bruh, i grew up in a "Black" neighborhood. I seen't how it is; watched my brother get strong-armed for his first paycheck by the local crip gang, watched half the crew get locked up for coercing a local underage hood rat into letting the crew pull a train on her only to have her dad get home early from work and report them for rape and erryting

Bruh, you didn't grow up in that neighborhood, sorry you grew up in a cul de sac.

Look though, you're not wrong, the only way out is to break the chain, but the reality is that breaking that chain is drastically more complicated than you're portraying it to be. I've met a lot of people in my life, the vast majority of those people live kind of shitty lives, but they grew up with a real support system, they grew up with a community that wasn't crime ridden, they had all the opportunities they needed, and most of those people fucked it up. Badly.

I've met a few people that grew up in a real shit hole of a life, and they fucking fought, and they had mountains of awful shit they had to deal with but they came out on top and they made it and I'm super happy for them. But that's hard. If you can't empathize with that you're just another elite, disconnected from reality and you don't really understand what its like to have to deal with actual shit.

So no, I can't actually imagine that its as simple as "just not getting into that lifestyle" for people who don't have a stable home life, don't have a positive support system, live in a crime ridden community, and aren't even aware of the opportunities you've pointed out because they can't even get that far to realize they're there.

[Blingy]

Although Kennedy is speaking specifically about going to the moon the sentiment can be applied to most situations:

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

If somebody wants something bad enough they'll find a way to achieve that. When we started working at a food bank 6 years ago I met a lady that came in once a week. Broken english, tattered clothes, barely functional car, etc. you get the picture. It took her 2 years to finally turn things around but when she stopped needing to come to the food bank and started wearing nice new clothes we asked her what had changed. She said she looked for opportunity (that wasn't available for a single mother from Pakistan) and worked hard at it. Last I heard she drives a $70k Lexus and owns a home that's nicer than ours.

So yes, things can be hard. If a single Pakistani mother can come here with a child and two suitcases of things and become who she is today then I see no reason why others can't do the same; American born or otherwise.

[Patriam1066]

So did i, and ill whoop your ass in 3 seconds

Everyone here went to public school except Lune and Zodium, that’s why they’ve never worked a day in their lives and are committed communists on behalf of overs who actually know what a day’s labor means

[Woke Locc]

Although Kennedy is speaking specifically about going to the moon the sentiment can be applied to most situations:



If somebody wants something bad enough they'll find a way to achieve that. When we started working at a food bank 6 years ago I met a lady that came in once a week. Broken english, tattered clothes, barely functional car, etc. you get the picture. It took her 2 years to finally turn things around but when she stopped needing to come to the food bank and started wearing nice new clothes we asked her what had changed. She said she looked for opportunity (that wasn't available for a single mother from Pakistan) and worked hard at it. Last I heard she drives a $70k Lexus and owns a home that's nicer than ours.

So yes, things can be hard. If a single Pakistani mother can come here with a child and two suitcases of things and become who she is today then I see no reason why others can't do the same; American born or otherwise.

Is there enough opportunity for all to achieve that simultaneously? 🤔

[Mead]

https://rvat.org/#homePageStories

[HalflingSpergand]

Kennedy was an actor and we def didn't go to the moon.

[Gwaihir]

Bruh, you didn't grow up in that neighborhood, sorry you grew up in a cul de sac.

Look though, you're not wrong, the only way out is to break the chain, but the reality is that breaking that chain is drastically more complicated than you're portraying it to be. I've met a lot of people in my life, the vast majority of those people live kind of shitty lives, but they grew up with a real support system, they grew up with a community that wasn't crime ridden, they had all the opportunities they needed, and most of those people fucked it up. Badly.

I've met a few people that grew up in a real shit hole of a life, and they fucking fought, and they had mountains of awful shit they had to deal with but they came out on top and they made it and I'm super happy for them. But that's hard. If you can't empathize with that you're just another elite, disconnected from reality and you don't really understand what its like to have to deal with actual shit.

So no, I can't actually imagine that its as simple as "just not getting into that lifestyle" for people who don't have a stable home life, don't have a positive support system, live in a crime ridden community, and aren't even aware of the opportunities you've pointed out because they can't even get that far to realize they're there.
So you advocate for tearing out and dismantling the path and possibility of egress, so everyone can live in squallor the same, since some people are too stupid to carpe diem, and "its hard"?

[Gwaihir]

Is there enough opportunity for all to achieve that simultaneously? ��

That depends. If you're addicted to heroin, smoking a pack of cigarettes per day, showering infrequently, and refuse to tidy up your tent and do your laundry regularly your lifes gonna suck, and the aesthetic is gonna be trashy as fuck no matter how much money you have, or how much govt assistance youre getting.

You can put a worthless no class junkie in a golden mansion and theyll still smear shit all over the walls.

Given that there ARE junkies and losers who will always be junkies and losers is it important for the achievement package to have a capacity of "all"?

[Jimjam]

Although Kennedy is speaking specifically about going to the moon the sentiment can be applied to most situations:



If somebody wants something bad enough they'll find a way to achieve that. When we started working at a food bank 6 years ago I met a lady that came in once a week. Broken english, tattered clothes, barely functional car, etc. you get the picture. It took her 2 years to finally turn things around but when she stopped needing to come to the food bank and started wearing nice new clothes we asked her what had changed. She said she looked for opportunity (that wasn't available for a single mother from Pakistan) and worked hard at it. Last I heard she drives a $70k Lexus and owns a home that's nicer than ours.

So yes, things can be hard. If a single Pakistani mother can come here with a child and two suitcases of things and become who she is today then I see no reason why others can't do the same; American born or otherwise.

Do you have a link to her premium, please?

[Woke Locc]

Given that there ARE junkies and losers who will always be junkies and losers is it important for the achievement package to have a capacity of "all"?

Yes. I know of people that got out.

[Lune]

Everyone here went to public school except Lune and Zodium, that’s why they’ve never worked a day in their lives and are committed communists on behalf of overs who actually know what a day’s labor means

I work, but it's for Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism, not survival. If laborers would learn to advocate for themselves instead of for me I wouldn't have to do it for them.

[Danth]

I went to public school (save for a single year I went to a private school) but that was before going to public school was considered an insult. Does it still count?

Danth

[Gwaihir]

Imagine rainbow haired private school silver spoons arguing for socialism.

Nothing's stopping you from handing your trust over to a heroin junkie. Theres dozens of them at every freeway onramp to pick from, and since social mobility isn't possible, it won't effect you anyways. So, get to it, hoss.

[Lune]

Imagine rainbow haired private school silver spoons arguing for socialism.

Nothing's stopping you from handing your trust over to a heroin junkie. Theres dozens of them at every freeway onramp to pick from, and since social mobility isn't possible, it won't effect you anyways. So, get to it, hoss.

Nah the difference is I am a patriot and a nationalist and you are a misanthrope and traitor to your own countrymen.

When a libertarian or classical liberal says 'liberty' or 'freedom,' he doesn't mean the freedom of the ordinary person to live out from under someone else's thumb, he means the freedom of the already powerful man to put his thumb wherever he wants.

[BlackBellamy]

I think we can all agree though that when ordinary people live out from someone else's thumb, you wind up shooting those fuckers when they start climbing through your bedroom windows, which is expensive. So then you just start shooting them before they even get to your house and then things just totally fall apart. I like powerful men. Way less likely to go bonkers than those other guys.

[White_knight]

Biden is going 2 get fucked in the debates.

As an no-USAer I cannot wait for the soapbox politics of 'Merica to continue...way more entertaining then whoever is in power in my country.

Luv Trump - best President, albeit super comical, the USA has had in decades. C'mon respect the man for atleast trying to get China to kneel...Hillary or whoever the democrats would gave put in power was just going to be a pussy bitch to China.

[Patriam1066]

China sucks but Trump is violating the US constitution. At this point, we’re becoming a shit hole like Brazil, so he’s hardly the best president

[Lojik]

Biden is going 2 get fucked in the debates.

As an no-USAer I cannot wait for the soapbox politics of 'Merica to continue...way more entertaining then whoever is in power in my country.

Luv Trump - best President, albeit super comical, the USA has had in decades. C'mon respect the man for atleast trying to get China to kneel...Hillary or whoever the democrats would gave put in power was just going to be a pussy bitch to China.

I doubt there's going to be debates.

[Lune]

Biden is going 2 get fucked in the debates.

As an no-USAer I cannot wait for the soapbox politics of 'Merica to continue...way more entertaining then whoever is in power in my country.

Luv Trump - best President, albeit super comical, the USA has had in decades. C'mon respect the man for atleast trying to get China to kneel...Hillary or whoever the democrats would gave put in power was just going to be a pussy bitch to China.

TV star showman president who lies with every breath that comes out of his gravyhole would trounce old demented career politician in TV event? You don't say.

[Topgunben]

Yang, Gabbard and Sanders could have seriously given Trump a run for his money.

Biden on the other hand is a brain dead geriatric retard that can barely put a coherent sentence together. He was that way 30 years ago, and he’s only gotten worse.

Plus Gabbard was decent looking. Which means a lot in my book.

[Woke Locc]

Yang, Gabbard and Sanders could have seriously given Trump a run for his money.

Deeply embarrassing post. Three very different ideologies in one endorsement. Yikes.

https://i.imgur.com/JKPuYE4.jpg

[hobart]

Yang, Gabbard and Sanders could have seriously given Trump a run for his money.

Biden on the other hand is a brain dead geriatric retard that can barely put a coherent sentence together. He was that way 30 years ago, and he’s only gotten worse.

Plus Gabbard was decent looking. Which means a lot in my book.

Odd the trumptards like the other morons the bots push on social media. Do none of you read actual news? Tulsi Gabbard's trip to Syria. Anyone?

[Gwaihir]

Nah the difference is I am a patriot and a nationalist and you are a misanthrope and traitor to your own countrymen.

When a libertarian or classical liberal says 'liberty' or 'freedom,' he doesn't mean the freedom of the ordinary person to live out from under someone else's thumb, he means the freedom of the already powerful man to put his thumb wherever he wants.

And by patriot you mean forcing the middle class to pay for it, so that you can keep your silver spoons private school trust fund.

Glad we cleared that up, silver spoons. Has lots of opinions about black people; only knows the 1 black guy he went to school in 90210 with.

[Convict]

Deeply embarrassing post. Three very different ideologies in one endorsement. Yikes.

https://i.imgur.com/JKPuYE4.jpg

how was that an endorsement

ill take reading comprehension for 500 alex

[Convict]

Is there enough opportunity for all to achieve that simultaneously? 🤔

such a system does not exist so its a moot point

[Swish]

China sucks but Trump is violating the US constitution. At this point, we’re becoming a shit hole like Brazil, so he’s hardly the best president

could Biden save the country?

[Blingy]

If Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Mike Rowe ran on a ticket I'd vote for them.

[White_knight]

China sucks but Trump is violating the US constitution. At this point, we’re becoming a shit hole like Brazil, so he’s hardly the best president

The media is just on an Anti-Trump campaign and people buy into it, it's even clear to see this in the media in my country.

Admitted the guy is a clown 90% of the time, but that 10% of the time he does provide leadership is 100% more then any democrat was ever going to provide. Like seriously could you imagine Hillary in power right now? she'd be funnelling funds to the Clinton Foundation left right and centre.

The whole degradation of the world status of America has been going on for 20+ years, that isn't Trump's fault.

Should be happy that clown is in power.

[douglas1999]

Trump cures erectile dysfunction and cancer forever, saving countless lives and marriages; Why didn't he do it SOONER??! Tonight on Maddow

[douglas1999]

In a cynical politicization of saving dogs from the back of garbage trucks that are about to crush the dogs, trump callously postures to bolster re-election bid. I'm Chris Hayes.

[Jauna]

remember when politics was about your parents talking about blowjobs in the whitehouse while you and your friend awkwardly play secret of mana while you both wanna play the girl but neither of you do and suddenly 30 years later you wanna be the cute anime girl as your kids look at you with disgust as they go back to their phones looking up politic memes as you look at them in your pink poofy pants wondering where all of this shit took a turn.

put down your fucking phones assholes, ill take the dress off and steel knuckle gauntlets and we can both accept we both went too far

[Baler]

could Biden save the country?

Anyone but Hillary right? :)
seriously though, you're lucky that your country doesn't obsess over the presidential process the way Americans do. You can walk up to almost anyone in america now-a-days and brush the topic of politics. They'll let it be known pretty quick which candidate they support. The circus grew 3 times larger in 2016 and never slowed down.

[zodium]

me, moron bourgie living my entire life immersed in the raw power of business, shaped from my first days on this earth in the command of capitalist power relations and directly privy to the unmasked attitudes of the wealthy: capitalism and its rulers aim to violently subject all life to the reproduction of capital, with no regard to any life, human or otherwise.

you, lumpenproletarian genius one medical crisis away from destitution: i love boot. its my fetish actually.

[Woke Locc]

could Biden save the country?

No and saving the country is bad. One Savior.

[Gwaihir]

No and saving the country is bad. One Savior.

Best post.

[Trexller]

why won't this fool announce a VP already so we can start tearing her apart and ripping her down

[hobart]

remember when politics was about your parents talking about blowjobs in the whitehouse

My parents talking about it... pfft. I was already a couple of years into my career and had bought my first house before Bill Clinton was ever elected President.

No wonder people here are so stupid. Most of you are of the generation that gets your world view from the internet.

[Patriam1066]

The media is just on an Anti-Trump campaign and people buy into it, it's even clear to see this in the media in my country.

Admitted the guy is a clown 90% of the time, but that 10% of the time he does provide leadership is 100% more then any democrat was ever going to provide. Like seriously could you imagine Hillary in power right now? she'd be funnelling funds to the Clinton Foundation left right and centre.

The whole degradation of the world status of America has been going on for 20+ years, that isn't Trump's fault.

Should be happy that clown is in power.

Border patrol was sent to Portland to apprehend protestors without cause. Not that Portland’s local government isn’t dog shit, but there is dog shit and there is illegal. Trump regularly breaks the law. Trump delenda est

[Patriam1066]

Joe Biden is a demented handsy weirdo, and yet he’ll probably clean up the mess made by trump by utilizing career civil servants and bureaucrats, just like Obama did following bush. SAD!

[Trexller]

Joe biden is an empty burned out dessicated husk of a human being. Make no mistake that his campaign hinges entirely on his pick for VP and nobody is going to cast a vote for Biden, they will be voting for his VP. whatever rainbow person that turns out to be.

[douglas1999]

Border patrol was sent to Portland to apprehend protestors without cause. Not that Portland’s local government isn’t dog shit, but there is dog shit and there is illegal. Trump regularly breaks the law. Trump delenda est

No border patrol was sent to portland to apprehend rioters. Literally nobody is arresting peaceful protesters, when they are actually being peaceful. This moronic conflation of the two types needs to die. Just today, yet another braindead moronic headline from cnn "Portland demonstrations declared "riot" after protesters set fire to police union headquarters". Haw haw, yeah cnn, why would you call something a riot just because people are setting shit on fire. Like, I honestly don't know what it would have to take for cnn to go "okayyy uhh yeah this is kinda fucked up now". I literally don't think they're capable of it.

[Baler]

I heard a rumor that Biden will pick a VP but drop out and that person picked will replace him as the democrat candidate.

[Trexller]

either that or the 25th amendment will be invoked and the VP will become president. but biden dropping out would lose alot of dem votes. nobody has any respect for the likes of susan rice or kamala harris, so they would need biden to carry them. you got rice behind every obama scandal and harris got her jobs on her back legs up

[Woke Locc]

harris got her jobs on her back legs up

Do you have proof? I would like to see it.

[Trexller]

i bet you would

[douglas1999]

me, moron bourgie living my entire life immersed in the raw power of business, shaped from my first days on this earth in the command of capitalist power relations and directly privy to the unmasked attitudes of the wealthy: capitalism and its rulers aim to violently subject all life to the reproduction of capital, with no regard to any life, human or otherwise.

you, lumpenproletarian genius one medical crisis away from destitution: i love boot. its my fetish actually.

Haha wtf does this even mean? I'm sorry you're so jealous of rich people :( Hating the rich and caring about the poor are not the same thing. If troll, good job again

[Woke Locc]

Haha wtf does this even mean? I'm sorry you're so jealous of rich people :( Hating the rich and caring about the poor are not the same thing. If troll, good job again

Hey man Bezos got 13b richer during the pandemic, he can afford to pay :rolleyes:

[White_knight]

Anyone but Hillary right? :)
seriously though, you're lucky that your country doesn't obsess over the presidential process the way Americans do. You can walk up to almost anyone in america now-a-days and brush the topic of politics. They'll let it be known pretty quick which candidate they support. The circus grew 3 times larger in 2016 and never slowed down.

I do admire the 'non-compulsory' voting system the USA employs. I live in a country where it's compulsory to vote or you face a fine, and that throws it's own spanners in the work. Youth voters are BAD voters, most of them vote on impulse or, these days what meme's they buy into.

We had a guy down here that got into power on the basis' that he was deemed the first politician that 'connected' with the youth - all he did was post some Youtube videos, made a Facebook account and that was the 'connection' needed for the youth to vote for him, and promised to deliver 'faster' internet that has ended up costing the nation 3x the quoted cost (he is long gone out of power and retired to his pension funded mansion of course).

I don't recall the stats but don't only 40% of eligible voters in the 'Merica vote? which means you have to rally people to vote vrs just having some random bozo's (Aussie slang for idiots) show up and tick a name on a ballot.

Hey man Bezos got 13b richer during the pandemic, he can afford to pay :rolleyes:

People are obsessed with Bezos out of jealousy.

That guy went from 0$ in his pocket to richest man in the world in 20 years, should be admiring that shit.

I've worked hard my whole life and I'm 34 now and have a net wealth of only 1.4mil so can't imagine how hard he worked and the risks he took to get to where he is.

#StopBeingJealousofBezos

[Woke Locc]

I do admire the 'non-compulsory' voting system the USA employs. I live in a country where it's compulsory to vote or you face a fine, and that throws it's own spanners in the work. Youth voters are BAD voters, most of them vote on impulse or, these days what meme's they buy into.

We had a guy down here that got into power on the basis' that he was deemed the first politician that 'connected' with the youth - all he did was post some Youtube videos, made a Facebook account and that was the 'connection' needed for the youth to vote for him, and promised to deliver 'faster' internet that has ended up costing the nation 3x the quoted cost (he is long gone out of power and retired to his pension funded mansion of course).

I don't recall the stats but don't only 40% of eligible voters in the 'Merica vote? which means you have to rally people to vote vrs just having some random bozo's (Aussie slang for idiots) show up and tick a name on a ballot.



People are obsessed with Bezos out of jealousy.

That guy went from 0$ in his pocket to richest man in the world in 20 years, should be admiring that shit.

I've worked hard my whole life and I'm 34 now and have a net wealth of only 1.4mil so can't imagine how hard he worked and the risks he took to get to where he is.

#StopBeingJealousofBezos

Dawg Bezos is worth $189 billion. Why shouldn't he pay taxes? :rolleyes:

[Bigsham]

I do admire the 'non-compulsory' voting system the USA employs. I live in a country where it's compulsory to vote or you face a fine, and that throws it's own spanners in the work. Youth voters are BAD voters, most of them vote on impulse or, these days what meme's they buy into.

We had a guy down here that got into power on the basis' that he was deemed the first politician that 'connected' with the youth - all he did was post some Youtube videos, made a Facebook account and that was the 'connection' needed for the youth to vote for him, and promised to deliver 'faster' internet that has ended up costing the nation 3x the quoted cost (he is long gone out of power and retired to his pension funded mansion of course).

I don't recall the stats but don't only 40% of eligible voters in the 'Merica vote? which means you have to rally people to vote vrs just having some random bozo's (Aussie slang for idiots) show up and tick a name on a ballot.



People are obsessed with Bezos out of jealousy.

That guy went from 0$ in his pocket to richest man in the world in 20 years, should be admiring that shit.

I've worked hard my whole life and I'm 34 now and have a net wealth of only 1.4mil so can't imagine how hard he worked and the risks he took to get to where he is.

#StopBeingJealousofBezos


Post pic of your crappy apartment again and your school lab where you took autocad tests?

You have nothing

[Bigsham]

Dawg Bezos is worth $189 billion. Why shouldn't he pay taxes? :rolleyes:

Rich people dont pay taxes, our system is too easy to pay nothing

only the poor pay taxes

[Woke Locc]

Rich people dont pay taxes

Why not? :rolleyes:

[White_knight]

Post pic of your crappy apartment again and your school lab where you took autocad tests?

You have nothing

???
You hatin' I lived 50m from one of Australia's best beaches and now make 2400$ a month passive income renting that place out?
???
You hating I have 2x Degree's?


Weird level of hate there man.

[White_knight]

Dawg Bezos is worth $189 billion. Why shouldn't he pay taxes? :rolleyes:

100% people should pay their taxes, but people are obsessed with this guy.

Most wealthy people do dodgy shit tax shit, it's fundamentally how they get wealthy in the first place.

The ATO (Tax Department in Australia) had to crack down on people make fake business' to buy cars in the business' name then running the business at a loss (because it was fake) and claiming the losses at tax time rofl.

It's just a matter of these dudes who have figured out how to manipulate the system to their advantage.

We just bought a new house and was advised by our broker that we should run our 'renovation costs thru our rental, i.e pretend we renovated our investment cash cow' to claim the costs so we don't get stung with the 8 grand of tax on the investment we pay yearly, and he said do it during the July period so you can claim it in both financial years (i.e 2x lots).

It's just how you play the game. Doing that saved us 16,000$ in taxes over 2 years. So do you hate the person who manages to tweak the system? or do you appreciate the game for what it is?

[Woke Locc]

100% people should pay their taxes, but people are obsessed with this guy.

Most wealthy people do dodgy shit tax shit, it's fundamentally how they get wealthy in the first place.

The ATO (Tax Department in Australia) had to crack down on people make fake business' to buy cars in the business' name then running the business at a loss (because it was fake) and claiming the losses at tax time rofl.

It's just a matter of these dudes who have figured out how to manipulate the system to their advantage.

We just bought a new house and was advised by our broker that we should run our 'renovation costs thru our rental, i.e pretend we renovated our investment cash cow' to claim the costs so we don't get stung with the 8 grand of tax on the investment we pay yearly, and he said do it during the July period so you can claim it in both financial years (i.e 2x lots).

It's just how you play the game. Doing that saved us 16,000$ in taxes over 2 years. So do you hate the person who manages to tweak the system? or do you appreciate the game for what it is?

Not the point I was trying to bait out, but interesting nonetheless.

:rolleyes:

Almost all of Bezos's net worth is tied up in Amazon stock, and such a tax bill could force him to sell some. He currently has $2.5 billion of cash and other liquid assets, according to the Bloomberg wealth index's net worth analysis.

[White_knight]

$2.5 billion of cash.

rofl what do you even do with that? haha

Buy the best EverQuest Character?

[Kich867]

$2.5 billion of cash.

rofl what do you even do with that? haha

Buy the best EverQuest Character?

You pay your taxes like normal people so that the country can be a better place for everyone.

[White_knight]

You pay your taxes like normal people so that the country can be a better place for everyone.

hate 2 break 2 you, Bezos paying his taxes aint gunna fix the problems in the USA, it's beyond that at this stage.

As an Engineer I was reading some report by some agency in the USA that indicated that approximately 50,000 bridges in the USA are heading towards their life cycle that were built during the great boom of the early 1900s to which there isn't enough $ to maintain them.

[Gwaihir]

You pay your taxes like normal people so that the country can be a better place for everyone.

385 million people in US. If they taxed Bezos for 100% of his portfolio (which would crash Amazon's stock and a huge number of other companies dependent on Amazon for distribution) that would be 490$/citizen; hardly enough to make the country a better place; it wouldnt even get the junkies out of tent city.

[Gwaihir]

On that note, Has Bezo's creation not improved the life Americans, as it stands? Have you not already extracted 500$ in vlue from the existence of Amazon in cost and time savings?

[White_knight]

Not to mention the consistent entry level employment Amazon supplies for what 300,000 Americans?

[Rader]

News flash for retards

Rich people are rich, because they know how to avoid paying taxes

Poor people are poor, because they don't know how to do sh-t including how to avoid paying taxes

Stupid people think how taxes are charged will change their life

[Kich867]

385 million people in US. If they taxed Bezos for 100% of his portfolio (which would crash Amazon's stock and a huge number of other companies dependent on Amazon for distribution) that would be 490$/citizen; hardly enough to make the country a better place; it wouldnt even get the junkies out of tent city.

Nah you're right, don't tax rich people because it's not worth it. Just take the money from people who need it.

[Kich867]

News flash for retards

Rich people are rich, because they know how to avoid paying taxes

Poor people are poor, because they don't know how to do sh-t including how to avoid paying taxes

Stupid people think how taxes are charged will change their life

This is like, the poorest person's view of why rich people are rich.

[Woke Locc]

This is like, the poorest person's view of why rich people are rich.

Can u Tax unrealized gains?

[Kich867]

Can u Tax unrealized gains?

No, but rich people aren't rich because they invest money, that's a fucking donkey's perspective.

[douglas1999]

Bezos pays a fucking ton of taxes, which help everyone. There are certain loopholes that marginally decrease the amount of taxation he pays, which sure, let's do away with those. But the idea that he doesn't pay taxes is moronically dumb. Of course amazon pays taxes, mostly because it's illegal not to. Again it boils down to this seething contempt for and envy of rich people writ large. Cut out all the shenanigans and he'll only be worth 49 trillion billion dollars instead of 50 trillion billion dollars. Complaining about wealth disparities on your amazing fucking phone and\or computer is the gayest god damn thing ever.

[White_knight]

Again it boils down to this seething contempt for and envy of rich people writ large.

DING!

Here's the typical logic base of someone who hates Bezos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhEDIg7RjMc

[Gwaihir]

Not to mention the consistent entry level employment Amazon supplies for what 300,000 Americans?

He also supplies the entry-level fulfillment center workers with at least 1 share of stock which has never split and is currently valued at around 2 grand and rising.

Granted most of those idiots immediately sell that share for US gift certificates so they can buy weed and jordans, but thats another matter

[Kich867]

Bezos pays a fucking ton of taxes, which help everyone. There are certain loopholes that marginally decrease the amount of taxation he pays, which sure, let's do away with those. But the idea that he doesn't pay taxes is moronically dumb. Of course amazon pays taxes, mostly because it's illegal not to. Again it boils down to this seething contempt for and envy of rich people writ large. Cut out all the shenanigans and he'll only be worth 49 trillion billion dollars instead of 50 trillion billion dollars. Complaining about wealth disparities on your amazing fucking phone and\or computer is the gayest god damn thing ever.

Did you just downplay someone's net worth dropping 1/4th of the deficit in the United States?

[Kich867]

He also supplies the entry-level fulfillment center workers with at least 1 share of stock which has never split and is currently valued at around 2 grand and rising.

Granted most of those idiots immediately sell that share for US gift certificates so they can buy weed and jordans, but thats another matter

Do you have a source on that or are you just trying to somehow blame poor people again?

[zodium]

Bezos pays a fucking ton of taxes, which help everyone. There are certain loopholes that marginally decrease the amount of taxation he pays, which sure, let's do away with those. But the idea that he doesn't pay taxes is moronically dumb. Of course amazon pays taxes, mostly because it's illegal not to. Again it boils down to this seething contempt for and envy of rich people writ large. Cut out all the shenanigans and he'll only be worth 49 trillion billion dollars instead of 50 trillion billion dollars. Complaining about wealth disparities on your amazing fucking phone and\or computer is the gayest god damn thing ever.

lmfao i love this child-like understanding of power.

[Vdaria]

LEAVE BEZOS ALONE. LEAVE HER ALONE!

[zodium]

my net worth is over One Million Dollars because i own my Business (no big deal). let me tell u how i have a lot in common with jeff bezos,

[White_knight]

Is it that you try to pay as least tax as possible as a business owner?

(Like anyone that owns a business does)

[Woke Locc]

No, but rich people aren't rich because they invest money, that's a fucking donkey's perspective.

Why? I do vote blue... :(

[Woke Locc]

Bezos pays a fucking ton of taxes, which help everyone. There are certain loopholes that marginally decrease the amount of taxation he pays, which sure, let's do away with those. But the idea that he doesn't pay taxes is moronically dumb. Of course amazon pays taxes, mostly because it's illegal not to.

Which mischievous miscreant created all these "loopholes" and why? The rascal should be pilloried!

[zodium]

Is it that you try to pay as least tax as possible as a business owner?

(Like anyone that owns a business does)

what if i told you some Business Owners (sorry, not u, even tho you are definitely in the very real Business Owner class, as you own a Business) can just say that their increase of money, isn't "profit," and actually isn't even in the country, so you can't tax it. and actually there isn't any money to tax. and all ppl with political power think thats good. now imagine if like 64% of all "economic growth" since the 1970s had been in this "sector" of the "economy." haha lol lmao.

[zodium]

liberalism should be called ruberalism or smth

[hobart]

Border patrol was sent to Portland to apprehend protestors without cause. Not that Portland’s local government isn’t dog shit, but there is dog shit and there is illegal. Trump regularly breaks the law. Trump delenda est

Joe Biden is a demented handsy weirdo, and yet he’ll probably clean up the mess made by trump by utilizing career civil servants and bureaucrats, just like Obama did following bush. SAD!

I'm hoping they'll make a dent in it for sure. Business as usual now, please.

That's if he's elected. I'm not convinced. There are a lot of stupid people.

[Baler]

What is Biden's Agenda?

[hobart]

What is Biden's Agenda?

He doesn't have a series of loans from a foreign entity he needs to repay with quid pro quo or a slew of ineptly run businesses he and a son-in-law need to bail out with tax dollars. So, I think his agenda is to govern. Well, to appoint people to govern.