gREEEEEEn server

[Nibblewitz]

Revile the classic experience!

[DMN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/ZQrgGmN.png

[Trexller]

it begins

[kauvian]

Whining ass bitches make a 36 hour spawn a /list camp, I hope it doesn't drop for the first 4 spawns just out of spite.

[Lune]

Nibblewitz - witty

[Jibartik]

Im rolling in my classic grave with all the list requests because competition got too hot lol

[Swish]

Seal Team seem quite upset

[Swish]

Whining ass bitches make a 36 hour spawn a /list camp, I hope it doesn't drop for the first 4 spawns just out of spite.

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[kaev]

Im rolling in my classic grave with all the list requests because competition got too hot lol

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Nibblewitz]

So seal team was okay with monopolizing camps for literal months, but cry to GMs when they lose raid targets?

Handle your shit like adults or enjoy List99.

[cd288]

Im rolling in my classic grave with all the list requests because competition got too hot lol

Based on what was going on it does not seem like this was any sort of competition. Seems like one guild was just making up who was next on the camp list and passing it off to guildies

[Jibartik]

Sounds like they were winning the competition to me.

[Jibartik]

A question I seriously think I personally know the answer to, would those of u that stuck to the list be any less happy with green99 if you didnt get a guise? or a stone?

For those of you that did, do you realize that you have chased something for 20 years and its over now a little?

What im saying is, if green came and went, without me experiencing something, that may be a good thing, because it always gives you that carrtot on a stick to chase.

If it took me 3 tries at green to get a mask, in 2031 whenever that is, Id be a lot more happy even then I bet.

But who knows maybe id be dead without ever getting one and then that'd be a big womp.

lol so whatever, but idk all raid guilds should be PVP thats my final stance. :o

[cd288]

A question I seriously think I personally know the answer to, would those of u that stuck to the list be any less happy with green99 if you didnt get a guise? or a stone?

For those of you that did, do you realize that you have chased something for 20 years and its over now a little?

What im saying is, if green came and went, without me experiencing something, that may be a good thing, because it always gives you that carrtot on a stick to chase.

If it took me 3 tries at green to get a mask, in 2031 whenever that is, Id be a lot more happy even then I bet.

But who knows maybe id be dead without ever getting one and then that'd be a big womp.

lol so whatever, but idk all raid guilds should be PVP thats my final stance. :o

A guild monopolizing a spell drop in order to cheese a raid while refusing to respond to tell about who is in line next (which is against the rules I believe) is not the same at all as a legacy item camp

[Jibartik]

You're right, it sounds like a guild using everquest mechanics to win the top slot against the raiding competition.

I dont get it, that sounds like exactly what a guild should do, if it can manage to do it! This is a game about player interaction, if you dont like it, bend the knee to them, ask for hand outs.

We live in a kingdom do we not? Of dragon and Orc? or is this but a play room for the wee ones?? *barbarian voice

[Jibartik]

Also legacy items are not about competition, so though I think we'd ahve been fine without lists, and probubly cherish our treasures more, there is nothing about those items that has anything to do with competition.. (OK well manastone could) but, obtaining those were like, things that players have wanted for 20 years, and it was pretty ok to give them a bone to get it if they wanted one.

But competition? Having lists? That's quite the opposite of the definition. So yeah, I just dont get it at all.

IMO holding down spawns should be a tactic, it requires dedication and teamwork and planning and a willingness to win.

AOE killing a zone or something game mechanics that are just broken, nerf that, but litearlly figuring out the spawn mechanics of a game designed to make players interact with each other over them?

Just seems wrong IMO add instancing, in the name of competition.

Do it in the name of wanting a easier game, but not in the name of competition.

[Videri]

Jib, the real competition will be seeing who can kill what in Plane of Sky. If only one guild has Summon Corpse, it's no contest.

[Scalem]

Sounds like they were winning the competition to me.

If by winning it you mean ensuring they have no competition then sure.

[Tethler]

AOE killing a zone or something game mechanics that are just broken, nerf that, but litearlly figuring out the spawn mechanics of a game designed to make players interact with each other over them?



"So hey, when you get your spell drop, I'd like to camp it next."

*crickets*

Cool interaction!


There is no player interaction or negotiation happening when 1 guild locks something down with the intention to denying access to other guilds. It is a strategy, yes, but don't try to act like if interested parties just interacted more, the problem would be resolved.

[douglas1999]

I respect the meritocracy argument when it comes to just mobilizing the fastest and racing and getting fte and killing a dragon. Passing a camp off to other guild members and ignoring everyone else is just gay and bad, and requires next to no elite elf skills

However they did give away a flayed turmoil skin belt!!!

[Arvan]

No instancing on blue but they instance spell summon corpse on green yeah that gets a 5 star reeeeeee

[douglas1999]

It's not really an instance. It would be an instance if 10 different dorks could all get the spell at the same time on the same day.

[Arvan]

Its a form of instance. If you show up with your warmbody you get the camp/item given enough time regardless of other players.

[Arvan]

I believe its called a welfare pixel

[DMN]

Its a form of instance. If you show up with your warmbody you get the camp/item given enough time regardless of other players.

If you don't know what instancing is, then shut your stupid fucking mouth.

Thanks, have a nice day!

[Arvan]

If you don't know what instancing is, then shut your stupid fucking mouth.

Thanks, have a nice day!

Hey rude random guy!

[Tethler]

I believe its called a welfare pixel

Welfare pixels are getting things without putting in effort/work. Though if you want to go by that definition, nearly every camp in EQ would be welfare pixels.

In this case you need to be present at the camp and put your time in, just like the people who have been camping it for weeks. The only difference is that those campers don't get to decide who gets the next drop anymore.

[Arvan]

Thats exactly what im saying tethler you get your own safe space away from other players so its like an instance minus the zone duplication .

Hard for that rude guy to comprehend i think

[Videri]

You're right, it sounds like a guild using everquest mechanics to win the top slot against the raiding competition.

A player-kept list is not an EverQuest mechanic. FTE or DPS race would be examples of EQ mechanics. Doing either of those things would earn us a suspension. That's why we petitioned. I feel like you aren't completely thinking this through.

[Bones]

it boils down to they weren't following the play nice policy by locking down a contested camp and not allowing non guildies on the list for a chance at the camp (imagine AC in OOT if one guild locked it down and didnt honor any list and just passed the camp to their guildies) and rogean changed the situation there

[Jibartik]

What I meant by that was the open world, non instanced npc spawning system that makes EQ a like, real world vs wow which is like a carnival.

I like that a guild can monopolize things I just feel like its the point of an open world game. I'm in the minority, of our minority :o

[Jibartik]

play nice policy

fiiiine this always is the trump card with my arguments for uber geekdom in eq. I always conceed when someone throws this word in my face, becuase I agree my argument is not about playing nice.

But I just *aghem* still would like to remind the hard core raiders that the word competition is a stretch when there is a pnp, and maybe in the end Im just secretly trying to roast those ui altering bastards :D

[Bones]

I am not disagreeing/agreeing with your opinion, just stating why rogean was able to to make a ruling on it and that hes not just changing things because he felt like it, it was technically a pnp violation. That and I'm sure enough people were bitching about it.

This did happen on blue with TMO trying to monopolize locket of escape for velious ToV binding, and to prevent other guilds from being able to bind their melee at ToV when the time came, and if their guild wasn't complete ass ran by clowns they probably would have been successful. I expect similar situation on green with locket.

[Domo]

The top guild of a server will always work harder and put more effort into their guild than the guilds below it.

And if there would be no Seal Team then there would be other people from diffrent guilds crying about The Federation that they playing to hard.

[ClephNote]

Whoever thought the endgame would be handing off uncontested rotations and standing in like clicking “I’m still here!” every 10 minutes for 36 hours?

It’s kinda sad how much help you guys need.

[Tethler]

The top guild of a server will always work harder and put more effort into their guild than the guilds below it.

And if there would be no Seal Team then there would be other people from diffrent guilds crying about The Federation that they playing to hard.

I kind of feel there is a difference between putting in effort and actively blocking content to prevent competition. Just my opinion though. I'm sure some would disagree.

[Domo]

I kind of feel there is a difference between putting in effort and actively blocking content to prevent competition. Just my opinion though. I'm sure some would disagree.

I know what you mean, but Seal Team wasnt at the Ishva camp for the past 10 months. They made the decision few weeks ago that the camp is important for them if they want to stay as #1 on the server. And they made the decision before The Federation. Ergo = Seal Team put more effort into their guild than the Federation did to theirs.

[Videri]

The top guild of a server will always work harder and put more effort into their guild than the guilds below it.

And if there would be no Seal Team then there would be other people from diffrent guilds crying about The Federation that they playing to hard.

It’s kinda sad how much help you guys need.

What would you have done if you weren't in <Seal Team> and you wanted to raid PoSky? Not a rhetorical question.

I'm still waiting to hear what the competitive, player-based, non-GM-involved solution would have been. How would you get Spell: Summon Corpse? Or without it, how would you get enough keys to get enough people to Island Whatever to actually kill the mobs? Or without raiding Plane of Sky, how would you be competitive in Kunark? WellI'mWaiting.gif

If none of you can offer a solution, then I guess you're all just trolling.

[Bones]

I know what you mean, but Seal Team wasnt at the Ishva camp for the past 10 months. They made the decision few weeks ago that the camp is important for them if they want to stay as #1 on the server. And they made the decision before The Federation. Ergo = Seal Team put more effort into their guild than the Federation did to theirs.
That's assuming the federation was ever planning to do something like monopolize that spawn. Every top guild always thinks they are the first to pioneer an idea just because they are the first guild to actually do it. Just because other guilds weren't willing to be scumbags doesn't mean they didn't think of it.

It's like on blue server really early in the timeline when there was these 2 necros locking down the frenzy camp in lguk. One would hold the camp all day, and when he was done his buddy would log in and take over the camp all night until the first guy woke up and logged back in. They would just trade off the camp every day and this went on for weeks as they kept corpsing their FBSS drops never leaving the camp (one of the main reasons why corpsing items at a camp so you didnt have to give it up eventually become prohibited). They refused to play nice and give other people a chance at the camp. Unfortunately there was no rules in place at the time to really prevent this from happening

If you think I hadnt thought of doing that with my buddy you are wrong. I just wasnt willing to be a completely asshole to everybody else on the server wanting a crack at the camp, and I eventually started to pass that camp to full groups that came down there if I had been sittin there for a while.

[Domo]

What would you have done if you weren't in <Seal Team> and you wanted to raid PoSky? Not a rhetorical question.

I'm still waiting to hear what the competitive, player-based, non-GM-involved solution would have been. How would you get Spell: Summon Corpse? Or without it, how would you get enough keys to get enough people to Island Whatever to actually kill the mobs? Or without raiding Plane of Sky, how would you be competitive in Kunark? WellI'mWaiting.gif

If none of you can offer a solution, then I guess you're all just trolling.

I can speak only for myself and my english isnt the best, but I am going to try my best.

I am an old EQ Veteran, Ive had all the nice pixels during Classic already, so I am pretty chill when it comes to loot.
There are for sure some pixels in game I really like to have on my toon, but I am not in hurry. I know whats ahead of me and I just try to enjoy the ride.
And if there would be some other guild ahead of mine then I wouldnt be bitter. I would still try my best and hope the officers of my guild would do the same, but if there is a guild ahead of mine because they put more effort in their guild then mine then gratz to them.

People like to call Seal Team "poop sockers" and "no lifes" etc., but imo Seal Team is just better organized then The Federation, which been proved on some raids already.
I am not saying the Federation should put more effort into their guild (unless they want to), but if they want more pixels then thats the sacrifice they have to do. And if they dont want to put more effort into their guild then they should accept that they are #2 or #3 and accept it that they get the pixels slower or later.

As I mention before I am convinced that if there would be no Seal Team around then this post would be now about the Federation that they have a 150+ big zerg and that they arnt leaving any pixels for the other guilds behind them.

IMO there is no solution needed. If you're unhappy about the situation right now then make your guild better or send a application to Seal Team, but dont call Mommy & Daddy to fix it for you.

[Bones]

People tend to look at it the wrong way. Its not really about who is "willing to put in more effort" although the top guild usually likes to paint themselves in that light. The raid scene on p99 has rarely worked that way. Its has often boiled down to who is willing to be the bigger scumbags to come out on top by monopolizing key spawns (shiny brass idol anybody?), rule lawyering their way to free uncontested raid kills, pulling shady shit like dropping trains when their competition wins FTE race, etc, etc and on and on. "Effort" rarely has anything to do with it.

[Bones]

People like to call Seal Team "poop sockers" and "no lifes" etc., but imo Seal Team is just better organized then The Federation,

A single skilled guild will always be more organized than a "federation" or an alliance of multiple guilds. In b4 the federation merges into 1 big guild and start dominating content and seal team is posting here in RnF about how their competition only wins because they "zerg everything with 3x the numbers". And the cycle of the p99 raid scene wheel keeps turning

[drackgon]

Man how many times have we seen on green each week 1 target is zerged down by the guild who got FTE with naked bodies binding outside at ZL. I've seen Inny,draco,vox,naggy all multiple times by all guilds on green do this. So when I hear anyone say oh the other side is a zerg team is only reason they got kill I just laugh and giggle. But will say this generally speaking the smaller raid force guild that runs together and practices together all the time, will be the one who wins. That's just how every MMO works.

[kaev]

Sounds like they were winning the competition to me.

Again, I do not think that words means what you think it means.

[cd288]

Also legacy items are not about competition, so though I think we'd ahve been fine without lists, and probubly cherish our treasures more, there is nothing about those items that has anything to do with competition.. (OK well manastone could) but, obtaining those were like, things that players have wanted for 20 years, and it was pretty ok to give them a bone to get it if they wanted one.

But competition? Having lists? That's quite the opposite of the definition. So yeah, I just dont get it at all.

IMO holding down spawns should be a tactic, it requires dedication and teamwork and planning and a willingness to win.

AOE killing a zone or something game mechanics that are just broken, nerf that, but litearlly figuring out the spawn mechanics of a game designed to make players interact with each other over them?

Just seems wrong IMO add instancing, in the name of competition.

Do it in the name of wanting a easier game, but not in the name of competition.

In no way is this instancing...it’s not even close to instancing and your argument makes no sense.

You’re picking a really odd hill to die on here

[cd288]

Its a form of instance. If you show up with your warmbody you get the camp/item given enough time regardless of other players.

No...it’s really not.

[cd288]

I can speak only for myself and my english isnt the best, but I am going to try my best.

I am an old EQ Veteran, Ive had all the nice pixels during Classic already, so I am pretty chill when it comes to loot.
There are for sure some pixels in game I really like to have on my toon, but I am not in hurry. I know whats ahead of me and I just try to enjoy the ride.
And if there would be some other guild ahead of mine then I wouldnt be bitter. I would still try my best and hope the officers of my guild would do the same, but if there is a guild ahead of mine because they put more effort in their guild then mine then gratz to them.

People like to call Seal Team "poop sockers" and "no lifes" etc., but imo Seal Team is just better organized then The Federation, which been proved on some raids already.
I am not saying the Federation should put more effort into their guild (unless they want to), but if they want more pixels then thats the sacrifice they have to do. And if they dont want to put more effort into their guild then they should accept that they are #2 or #3 and accept it that they get the pixels slower or later.

As I mention before I am convinced that if there would be no Seal Team around then this post would be now about the Federation that they have a 150+ big zerg and that they arnt leaving any pixels for the other guilds behind them.

IMO there is no solution needed. If you're unhappy about the situation right now then make your guild better or send a application to Seal Team, but dont call Mommy & Daddy to fix it for you.

I think you and some others are missing the point here. This post isn’t about complaining that a top guild is zerging raid targets etc. It’s about the fact that a top guild is violating the PnP in order to take advantage of a non-intended cheesy mechanic (honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it had been declared an exploit on live if it had become widely used) to ensure that they literally have no other competition during the raid. I’m all for guilds creating big zergs to ensure they stay at the top, that’s technically a form of competition because they’re bigger than the other raid force who is in the raid zone trying to compete. But basically gating everyone else out of being able to compete in the raid at all by not responding to tells to answer who is next on the camp rotation? That is really lame and not competition whatsoever.

[BlackBellamy]

What would you have done if you weren't in <Seal Team> and you wanted to raid PoSky? Not a rhetorical question.


If you need to do something you can't do yourself then you join or partner with an organization with the capabilities to do it. If you're unable to join that organization then you need to hire contractors or form your own organization. Failing all that, you need to examine the ROI for your goal now that additional costs have been revealed. What also would help is a postmortem where frank discussion would be needed as to what process led to the kind of risk analysis that allowed such unrealistic goals to proceed when the risk was foreseeable and mitigation measures were timeboxed.

https://imgur.com/k4ikOBb.jpg

Another option is to forget all self-reflection and use contacts on the regulatory board and wherever else your entity has made political contributions to in order to force harsh compliance and investigatory costs on your competition, or just use them outright to promulgate regulations and laws which favor your failed business model over the efficient one that is outperforming yours. Simultaneously, a campaign should be launched where your competition is described (accurately) as being "under investigation".

Lastly, if you can get Amber Heard to date the leader of the competing concern, you have it in the bag.

The above advice is 100% valid for any problem you have in your life. Demonic and insane girlfriend is there just for the spice and is optional.

[unleashedd]

Lastly, if you can get Amber Heard

they always say dont stick your dick in crazy... sorry, but easier said than done

[Domo]

It’s about the fact that a top guild is violating the PnP in order to take advantage of a non-intended cheesy mechanic

Like using a Interface which isnt allowed on Green?

[cd288]

they always say dont stick your dick in crazy... sorry, but easier said than done

Can confirm

[cd288]

Like using a Interface which isnt allowed on Green?

And I don't think that's acceptable either and anyone who is discovered using an unapproved UI to get an advantage should be disciplined. Not sure why you're bringing that up when it has nothing to do with this issue though.

[Phaezed-Reality]

https://i.imgur.com/c0eBlVh.jpg

[Bigsham]

I believe its called a welfare pixel

Democrat items

[Bardp1999]

You should be ashamed of yourself if you participate in /List camps of any kind, they are not worth the time investment

[Tethler]

You should be ashamed of yourself if you participate in /List camps of any kind, they are not worth the time investment

I kind of agree depending on the time it takes. Took 12 or 14 hrs or something for my ranger guise, but ill be clicking that bitch for the life of the character. Worth the 12 or w/e hours to me. 100+ hrs for a manastone that wont be usable in expansion content, though? yeahhhhhh

[7thGate]

What would you have done if you weren't in <Seal Team> and you wanted to raid PoSky? Not a rhetorical question.

I'm still waiting to hear what the competitive, player-based, non-GM-involved solution would have been. How would you get Spell: Summon Corpse? Or without it, how would you get enough keys to get enough people to Island Whatever to actually kill the mobs? Or without raiding Plane of Sky, how would you be competitive in Kunark? WellI'mWaiting.gif

If none of you can offer a solution, then I guess you're all just trolling.

I'm really curious as to how sky is going to work, because its really not designed to be a competitive zone at all. I don't play on green, but I'm super curious to see how it works out.

The more I think about it, the more I'm not sure this is actually going to be a real problem. Yes, you will get a head start this way, but there are 24 keys per island every 8 hours, and they're all FTE. Accumulate keys as you can get them and corpse as normal. Am I missing something here?

If you feel like being a complete sociopath with echos of irony from the necro spell lockdown, you could try to permanently camp Sornita Eltern to try to block anyone from going to sky and thus maintain an equal footing heading into Kunark. IIRC, attacking a vendor cancels attempts to buy from them, doesn't it? Bonus points if you managed to buy stones somehow before starting this.

[Bones]

If you feel like being a complete sociopath with echos of irony from the necro spell lockdown, you could try to permanently camp Sornita Eltern to try to block anyone from going to sky and thus maintain an equal footing heading into Kunark.

https://i.imgur.com/LqsrV65.gif

[Jibartik]

See in my opinion those are the most everquest solutions, and whoever can last longer wins. Now that's competition. mr beast style.

[Phaezed-Reality]

See in my opinion those are the most everquest solutions, and whoever can last longer wins. Now that's competition. mr beast style.

[Nirgon]

laughin so hard atm

[Rust1d?]

Just my 2 cents here but I get that it is classic, however there are still things that are NOT classic yet are still in the game. Full screen med book. Classic UI with zero customization are just a few.

While I am all for keeping things classic, there were things in classic that made no sense. A non-raid mob on a 36 hour timer is one of them. Someone tell me what person will or has the time to sit in front of a computer for a MINIMUM of 36 hours without somehow exploiting the mechanics of the AFK/List system?

[Swish]

If everyone hates the /list system then nobody will add themselves to it, right?

[Jibartik]

Just my 2 cents here but I get that it is classic, however there are still things that are NOT classic yet are still in the game. Full screen med book. Classic UI with zero customization are just a few.

While I am all for keeping things classic, there were things in classic that made no sense. A non-raid mob on a 36 hour timer is one of them. Someone tell me what person will or has the time to sit in front of a computer for a MINIMUM of 36 hours without somehow exploiting the mechanics of the AFK/List system?

there's plenty of time now

https://i.imgur.com/s1aNk6W.gif

[Tankwipe]

can someone explain the summon corpse "exploit" or mechanic or whatever to my dumb ass

[Albanwr]

can someone explain the summon corpse "exploit" or mechanic or whatever to my dumb ass

you get a necro and a cleric to have a key, the necro and cleric zooms to said island and summons the corpse from zone in island to whatever island without the need to farm keys from lower islands. They get rezzed and are able to raid islands that they dont have the keys for.

[Albanwr]

you will of course need more than that to clear the mobs, but that is the simplest terms

[Tankwipe]

ok ty al

[Bigsham]

i remember on live COH Worked until pop yet is nerfed day 1 of kunark on p99

so sad so not classic

[Nibblewitz]

Is <Seal Team> the only green guild that is practicing sky on blue?

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/deDysog.png

[Tankwipe]

i wish i was seal team but i like my friends :((((( ((

[Arvan]

You win the game by denying other people pixels not earning them yourself or at least thats what ive been told