Which race for a solo Necro?

[Entee]

Which race is recommended for a Necromancer who never plans to raid / do end game stuff, and who 99% of the time will just be solo leveling and farming random stuff both in and outside of dungeons?

[DMN]

I'd make an erudite and put max possible in strength.

[Entee]

I'd make an erudite and put max possible in strength.

Really? That sounds super opposite of the answer I was expecting haha. Do you mind explaining a bit why?

Is it simply because more Str = higher weight limit? If so, wouldn't the loss of Int / Mana be a bigger deal than holding some more weight?

Also, why Erudite instead of Gnome or Dark Elf? They have a higher starting Str?

[Baler]

Iksar
Iksar
Iksar

The only Race for Necro is IKSAR

I went erudite on green and put 25 points into STA and 5 into AGI, because lich turns life into mana.

Erudite, Dark Elf and Gnome are options Pre-Kunark. Post Kunark IKSAR IS KING
Erudite = paineel, highest INT, Neutral
Dark Elf = Reaper of dead, 2nd highest int, Evil
Gnome = Tinkering, see thru walls, 3rd highest int, good?

I really can't encourage anyone to put 25 points in STR when weight reduction bags are in the game. Some people feel it helps, I think they're not min/maxing.

[Entee]

Iksar
Iksar
Iksar

The only Race for Necro is IKSAR

I went erudite on green and put 25 points into STA and 5 into AGI, because lich turns life into mana.

Erudite, Dark Elf and Gnome are options Pre-Kunark. Post Kunark IKSAR IS KING
Erudite = paineel, highest INT, Neutral
Dark Elf = Reaper of dead, 2nd highest int, Evil
Gnome = Tinkering, see thru walls, 3rd highest int, good?

I really can't encourage anyone to put 25 points in STR when weight reduction bags are in the game. Some people feel it helps, I think they're not min/maxing.

If Iksar were an option now, I'd probably go Iksar. However, that's like what, 4-5 months away? By then, I'll probably already be level 40+ if I were to make a pre-kunark Necro now.

Not to mention, come day 1 of Kunark, there will probably be a million level 1 Iksar Necros running all over the place, and all the good Necro solo exp spots 1-50 will probably be perma camped for months while everyone is leveling their new characters, right?

Most importantly though, I don't want to have to wait months to start playing a Necro. I want to make one soon and start leveling it up while I can.

You mentioned you can't encourage anyone to go 25 Str because it's not min/maxing. With that said, what would you consider min/maxing for a pre-kunark Necro? Erudite 25 Sta 5 Agi?

If so, why 25 Sta and not 25 Int?
Isn't raw Int more mana than Sta converted to mana from Lich?

[Snortles Chortles]

i went ERU max STA build
imagine needing a crutch to play a class and waiting 6 months for it
:rolleyes:

[Dolalin]

Iksar is more powerful levelling 1-59, which is good because you're going to spend 25% more time there.

At 60 it doesn't matter, you will have regrowth at every single raid and racial regen is mostly irrelevant.

[Adron]

It is crazy easy to get to max int with reasonable caster gear. Necro, who can camp anything they want, even easier than normal tunnel questing for int gear. So stamina makes sense for what to do after int, thus a reasonable option to do at creation is 25 stamina.
that being said, if you're not min/maxing for raiding, then you're min/maxing for soloing for items/gold, and 25 str does actually make some sense. Even on top of weight reduction bags, that just multiplies the effect, yes? Unlike most farmers, your options for quick sale/conversion of gold to plat are more limited, so there's that.
It's kinda hard to go wrong with a necro anyway. I can tell you I wear some str items on my iksar necro because of how annoying it is to stop farming and go bank/sell.

[Christina.]

It doesn't matter to be honest. Whichever race you like to stare at the most cause that's what you'll have to be looking at every time you play.

[Castle2.0]

Love the class. Refuse to roll one until Kunark.

Iksar by a landslide.

[DMN]

Really? That sounds super opposite of the answer I was expecting haha. Do you mind explaining a bit why?

Is it simply because more Str = higher weight limit? If so, wouldn't the loss of Int / Mana be a bigger deal than holding some more weight?

Also, why Erudite instead of Gnome or Dark Elf? They have a higher starting Str?

All the current races but humans get the same str for necro.

Even when you subtract 5 for agility you will still have higher int+str than all the other choices, and on top of that you get an additional bonus to your magic save. Take a chick and win fashion quest. Avoid the dudes though. Most are ugly greaseball looking things.

[Snortles Chortles]

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[Jimjam]

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Great chef, but sadly halflings can't be necro...

Gnome is probably the best, but if you don't have the severe substance abuse and trust issues required to play one then I suggest instead erudite. For a farming build str and 5 agi just to help you get started. Even after getting WR bags the str will still help carry currency.

[GnomeCaptain]

Iskar are nasty. I'd never compromise appearance or roleplay potential for largely meaningless racial benefits.

Human or Gnome for me. Maybe Dark Elf.

[Philistine]

Iskar are nasty. I'd never compromise appearance or roleplay potential for largely meaningless racial benefits.

Human or Gnome for me. Maybe Dark Elf.

Personally I enjoy that Iksars are hated by everyone, so an Iksar Necro is the ultimate evil. I murder Antonicans at will, as vengeance for the hardships endured by my ancestors!

[DMN]

There. Are. No. Fucking. Iksar. On. Green.

[Philistine]

There. Are. No. Fucking. Iksar. On. Green.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

[Swish]

There. Are. No. Fucking. Iksar. On. Green.

Are you sure? Checked in cshome?

[Cawin]

Gnome. They have the best racial ability in the game hands down.

[Castle2.0]

Gnome. They have the best racial ability in the game hands down. Cuteness doesn't help with damage or keeping a mob feared. Sorry.

[Cawin]

OK, they have the top two racial abilities. Wall-o-vision brah.

[Vexenu]

It is crazy easy to get to max int with reasonable caster gear. Necro, who can camp anything they want, even easier than normal tunnel questing for int gear. So stamina makes sense for what to do after int, thus a reasonable option to do at creation is 25 stamina.
that being said, if you're not min/maxing for raiding, then you're min/maxing for soloing for items/gold, and 25 str does actually make some sense. Even on top of weight reduction bags, that just multiplies the effect, yes? Unlike most farmers, your options for quick sale/conversion of gold to plat are more limited, so there's that.
It's kinda hard to go wrong with a necro anyway. I can tell you I wear some str items on my iksar necro because of how annoying it is to stop farming and go bank/sell.

It's really not, especially when limited to Classic gear and when trying to maximize HP for a Necro specifically. Go ahead and actually look at the stats of "reasonable caster gear" in Classic, and hell, even Kunark. You won't be close to maxing out INT while also wearing HP gear in your rings, ears and neck slots (as you should be doing on a Necro). And if you go Iksar it's even more difficult with their low starting INT. Maxing both INT and HP on a Necro doesn't really become feasible until late Velious.

OP: Make an Erudite with 25 INT and 5 AGI. Gear for INT and HP. Enjoy having a massive mana and HP pool. 15 INT, 10 STR and 5 AGI would also be pretty reasonable.

[Sabin76]

It's really not, especially when limited to Classic gear and when trying to maximize HP for a Necro specifically. Go ahead and actually look at the stats of "reasonable caster gear" in Classic, and hell, even Kunark. You won't be close to maxing out INT while also wearing HP gear in your rings, ears and neck slots (as you should be doing on a Necro). And if you go Iksar it's even more difficult with their low starting INT. Maxing both INT and HP on a Necro doesn't really become feasible until late Velious.

OP: Make an Erudite with 25 INT and 5 AGI. Gear for INT and HP. Enjoy having a massive mana and HP pool. 15 INT, 10 STR and 5 AGI would also be pretty reasonable.

Wouldn't that depend on what they mean by "maxing INT"? Although Green doesn't have the incredibly harsh softcap at 200, there is still a softcap and if that's where people consider "maxing" a stat, then it is, actually, quite easy to get to 200 INT with cheapish classic gear (I'm at 210 INT on my lvl 39 DE Mage and haven't spent more than 800p on a single piece of gear).

Now, if they mean actual numerical max, then I agree. It's just not feasible in classic without a TON of grinding either plat, raids, or both... assuming it's possible at all.

[Tethler]

Dark elf for netted kelp fashion in Velious, or wait for Kunark and make Iksar.

Really though, most appearance points are moot when you are almost always in skeleton form.

[Swish]

Dark elf pre-Kunark. If you think you'll definitely not make an iksar one afterwards... go for it :)

[M.J.]

Gnome Head to Head:

Gnome VS Dark Elf

No hide, no awesome neon German sex brothel starting city. Can, swing through hallways and avoid pats with wall-vision, get FD anyways.

Gnome VS Erudite

Lose the High Int / Charisma competition, lose the "can walk up large stairs" competition. Do, have godly starting zone that isn't an ocean or Karana's run away, enjoy the wee privilege of navigating Akanon easily. Tie, scalp real estate.

I think the answer is clear:

Iksar.

[kjs86z]

Play something else until Kunark, have a set of gear ready to go for your level 1 lizard necro.

Don't worry about places being camped. Necros can basically level anywhere.

[Ivory]

Gnome!!! Because gnomes got 4 racial abilities.... 1 is listed, 3 is hidden.

1) Tinkering

2) Shortness!! You can fit through gates and into places others have trouble with. No key needed for hole. No key needed for getting past gate in Najena....and much more!!

3) Wall vision! Gnome peepers is best peepers. See everything, great for lulling and splitting in guk (for example).

4) Faction bonus ... gnomes have a boost to faction with just about everything! This means they can easily get non KOS (or even start out non-kos in a lot of places). Something like a dark elf necro or erudite has MUCH more trouble.

At first glance on the wiki... the racial bonus of gnomes don't seem like much, with just tinkering listed.... but the REAL racial bonuses of gnomes is actually quite amazins.

[tsuchang]

Rolled a Erudite on green to see how it goes. Sure is dark at night. Got to lvl 5 easy enough. I have a 49 iki necro on blue so I know a bit about how to kite, root/rot and fear. Kinda the same so far.

[Snortles Chortles]

was able to hit 180 INT on my ERU necro /w max pts stam pretty eZ
**prefer HP/resists combination or I’d be 200

[webphi]

Rolled a Erudite on green to see how it goes. Sure is dark at night. Got to lvl 5 easy enough. I have a 49 iki necro on blue so I know a bit about how to kite, root/rot and fear. Kinda the same so far.

You mean root few mobs close to each others, and start charming ? Why use vastly inferior and slow methods 😁

[Cen]

Before Iksar, gnome is the strongest Necro. You get tinkering and don't lose out on hide since necros all get the upgrade to hide. Also gnomes dump wisdom and charisma for other useful stats giving them best stat aggregate. Sadly Iksar render the gnomevantage useless

[DMN]

Before Iksar, gnome is the strongest Necro. You get tinkering and don't lose out on hide since necros all get the upgrade to hide. Also gnomes dump wisdom and charisma for other useful stats giving them best stat aggregate. Sadly Iksar render the gnomevantage useless

Uhh, charisma is actually useful for necros because their lull and screaming terror line is based off it. And what exactly are these "useful stats" gnomes get?

[Cen]

Even if that was true I wouldn't want CHA. I don't believe ST has a charisma component but eh, it's not enough.

[DMN]

Even if that was true I wouldn't want CHA. I don't believe ST has a charisma component but eh, it's not enough.

Mez and lulls are all based off charisma and screaming terror is a mez.

[Cen]

Mez and lulls are all based off charisma and screaming terror is a mez.

Undead lulls have charisma on critical resist mod slot 3, but as far as I have ever known screaming terror only uses slot 2 on standard MR resist only.

Also undead charms don't have a charisma modifier either, and same with animal charms etc
What I mean to say is a lot of these rules for this kind of spell uses that isn't the way to go a lot of the time you have to check every last individual spell. As far as I know Mez the level 4 enchanter spell has a different set of rules then ST just like Scarecrowfear is different then Fear

Honestly I wouldn't even care about evidence or testing, I'd still call all the other pluses for gnomes or Iksar :p

[DMN]

Undead lulls have charisma on critical resist mod slot 3, but as far as I have ever known screaming terror only uses slot 2 on standard MR resist only.

Also undead charms don't have a charisma modifier either, and same with animal charms etc
What I mean to say is a lot of these rules for this kind of spell uses that isn't the way to go a lot of the time you have to check every last individual spell. As far as I know Mez the level 4 enchanter spell has a different set of rules then ST just like Scarecrowfear is different then Fear

Honestly I wouldn't even care about evidence or testing, I'd still call all the other pluses for gnomes or Iksar :p

Where are you getting this "slot 2/3" from, mister check every spell?

[Snortles Chortles]

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