I wish Sol-B and Lower Guk were still ok to level in :(

[Ivory]

The new ZEM changes are mostly great.... but one big problem is these two amazing zones are now at the bottom of ZEMs!! Making them ghost towns!

I like ZEMs giving people reasons to go elsewhere....but these two places should still be decent hunting!

[Jibartik]

what the eff ru doing leveling? :o

[El-Hefe]

So what you’re telling me is there is room to XP in SolB and LGuk?

[Baler]

A problem created by the ZEM changes is that 40s level players stick it out in CT and PAW to the bitter end. CT and PAW already had a great zem before the change. People didn't spend much time in CT and Paw however due to a lack of people. So people went to guk/solb because there were people there to group with.

So the zem change didn't solve over crowding issues it just moved people to different zones.

[Ivory]

So the zem change didn't solve over crowding issues it just moved people to different zones.

Yea, Paw is superr crowded....

It's why the dungeons need to make sense with their ZEM. And be competitive... but right now guk and solb are HALF the exp of those other zones.... it's too harsh!!

what the eff ru doing leveling?

I gots me a warrior for choppin now!! :D I wanted to see if I could make one that could solo real good (so far so good!).

[drackgon]

Guk and Solb has better loot drops then CT/Paw by a long shot(Robe of isvha only thing truly worth from Paw, maybe the 1hd poision wp)
But ZEM works that if there is good loot, then less XP. Less Loot, more XP, which is to help balance. The issue in classic is just not enough 40+ zones to lvl in. Unless your willing to kill NPCs Ie guards, issue is generally guards are farmed by solo not groups)

[turbosilk]

All the better to justify soloing camping everything of value in the lguk. Classic experience.

[drackgon]

lol, turbo gets it:) Seriously BnB, and bedroom and even like exe/cav might not be amazing xp. But it groups there are fun, people generally have 2 try at least, and not afk grind.

[jerryR]

So the zem change didn't solve over crowding issues it just moved people to different zones.

Almost makes sense to rotate ZEM monthly or something, but that would be a headache for admins I'm certain

[drackgon]

Jerry I believe that was a lot of peoples suggestions. Was like setup a montly Zem changes to get people to move around and see zones. Think it would be awesome personally(heck nice to see people doing Paw/CT), but still not enough drive. But again still not very many 40+ zones. Guk/solb/Paw/CT/Kedge/Permafrost(Bear caves/Icegiants). Which is why so many complain for Teal. 5 zones for roughly 700 lvl 40-50s

Though the outside zone ZEM changes has been amazing. Karanas/Ro/Commons/Rathe are nice and packed like they should be.

[jerryR]

Jerry I believe that was a lot of peoples suggestions. Was like setup a montly Zem changes to get people to move around and see zones

Since green isn't a pvp server, it really isn't risk versus reward.. it is purely reward versus better reward. So depends what the goal is I guess. Some of the problems are just endemic to the nature of the game. Rotations would be more about quality of life to allow people who want shortest path (highest zem) to get a change of scenery while rotating where the crowds are for people more interested in just exploration and loot ? Sorry point being I think this is still a decent approach regardless of the population. People too focused on current population problems and devising a lot of more radical changes that time will probably take care of on it's own.

[cd288]

Yea, Paw is superr crowded....

It's why the dungeons need to make sense with their ZEM. And be competitive... but right now guk and solb are HALF the exp of those other zones.... it's too harsh!!



I gots me a warrior for choppin now!! :D I wanted to see if I could make one that could solo real good (so far so good!).

Not too harsh. As another commenter said, the loot in those zones is way better than Splitpaw for example. So you make a decision to go somewhere for better EXP but worse loot or somewhere for better loot potential but worse EXP. It's the primary reason ZEMs were created back in the day, to give people motivation to go to the dungeon with worse loot or that was more out of the way.

[kjs86z]

kedge is where the cool kids are at

[drackgon]

Kedge has super stupid good XP. And ofc lots of really nice Loot. Zem balance there is mainly due to challenge of a underwater dungeon. But tons of great drops from rather common mobs. Heck monk mask alone makes this dungeon worth it. Add in XP, its why I love when druids down there let me group with or leech:)

[Nirgon]

find a custom eq server

[Baler]

find a custom eq server

https://i.imgur.com/6rq7wFJ.gif

[BlackBellamy]

That's what they do on the boxing server, forget the name. Every once in a while they change the zems around.

[Bardp1999]

they call them Hot Zones on live - increased ZEM and some stupid quests for extra XP from an NPC in the PoK. Classic EQ sucks, bring on Kunark

[Ivory]

They don't need to shift ZEMs around....just raise those two classic zones up a bit to match other zones...

Right now you have
165ish ZEM (Permafrost / kedge, it makes sense. Permafrost is out in nowhere, and Kedge is a pain)
150 ZEM zones (the hot cookies, Runnyeye, splitpaw, cazic, the hole and so on)
125 ZEM (pretty good, crushbone, upper guk, sol a, blackburrow, and so on)
100 ZEM (a lot of places now, all of the outdoor general zones are here now)
and then......

Mistmoore = 87
Lower guk = 75
Nagafen's Lair = 75

Really, they are now the WORSE places to level in the game.... by a huge amount :|

They should be 100-125 zem to fit into the rest of the game. Then everything is fine (leave them a little under other zones to encourage more of those).

And for the "it's because of the loot"....whaaat? That isn't how this works. If you want loot, just finish getting to 50 and go camp something :P

[fastboy21]

The 45 50 game could use 1-2 more zones to let the pressure out...or cycle 1-2 more into the mix.

But, its classic EQ...they already did more than I would have by changing the ZEMs to give us some breathing room in the first place.

Kind of looking a gift horse in the mouth...way better now than it was.

[Bigsham]

guk and sol b needed anerf because thats where everyone went

its not about zem its about pull speed and mob availability

[cd288]

They don't need to shift ZEMs around....just raise those two classic zones up a bit to match other zones...

Right now you have
165ish ZEM (Permafrost / kedge, it makes sense. Permafrost is out in nowhere, and Kedge is a pain)
150 ZEM zones (the hot cookies, Runnyeye, splitpaw, cazic, the hole and so on)
125 ZEM (pretty good, crushbone, upper guk, sol a, blackburrow, and so on)
100 ZEM (a lot of places now, all of the outdoor general zones are here now)
and then......

Mistmoore = 87
Lower guk = 75
Nagafen's Lair = 75

Really, they are now the WORSE places to level in the game.... by a huge amount :|

They should be 100-125 zem to fit into the rest of the game. Then everything is fine (leave them a little under other zones to encourage more of those).

And for the "it's because of the loot"....whaaat? That isn't how this works. If you want loot, just finish getting to 50 and go camp something :P

Trying to find the words to describe your post. I guess "complainy" might work? "Inaccurate" with respect to your last statement also might be a good descriptor.

They don't need to be upped at all. They used to be up top and then the ZEMs were rotated to encourage people to go elsewhere...that's what was done in classic. Maybe they will be rotated back eventually. But to say that the zones need to be bumped back up so everything is equal just strikes me as such a modern MMO gamer "I don't want to have to make trade offs, I just want to be able to do whatever I want" type of mindset.

And yes, the loot IS in fact how that works because it does factor into ZEM decisions. Or at least it did in Classic. If a dungeon has better loot and so no one is going to the other dungeons, you rotate the ZEMs around to give people a reason to go to that other dungeon. Why do you think Splitpaw and Runnyeye have historically been empty on P99? They are challenging dungeons, often with lesser quality loot, and the old ZEMs didn't make taking on that challenge and sacrificing loot worth it.

And it most likely is about loot for you I'm guessing. If it's only about EXP, why don't you go to those dungeons at the higher end of the ZEM range now? You can level there and get the better EXP that you seem to want. Oh wait, right...you'd have to go get shitty loot in Splitpaw and you want to camp good loot in Guk while ALSO having a high ZEM.

[twaggoner2]

Finally somebody said it. This is a classic server you’re not suppose to get everything you want, if you want to play a game like that then go back to WoW.

[Canelek]

Sheesh. Folks love complaining about nonsense. Maybe just go enjoy the game as opposed to taxing the project team.

[Ivory]

Sheesh. Folks love complaining about nonsense. Maybe just go enjoy the game as opposed to taxing the project team.

Lol why are some people so interested in keeping two classic zones empty?? Are you working for the kobolds?!

It's soooo strange.

Right now those zones are ghost towns except for high levels solo camping loot. They are neat zones, fun to level in (and I'm leveling up a character for the first time in years)... it would be neat to return to those places and do some killing.

I like the ZEM changes overall (permafrost has been amazing getting to know that zone for once!).

But Guk and Sol B were just great zones too, it's a shame they are ghost towns and there is no reason for someone leveling to go there.

[Swish]

Finally somebody said it. This is a classic server you’re not suppose to get everything you want, if you want to play a game like that then go back to WoW.

This is true.

[cd288]

This is true.

Yeah I think we can move this thread to resolved now that OP got owned.

[Ivory]

Yeah I think we can move this thread to resolved now that OP got owned.

Except I won, yet you keep respawning.... even though you don't drop anything and I don't want to keep slaying you as I spit mad fire.

[Videri]

Except I won, yet you keep respawning.... even though you don't drop anything and I don't want to keep slaying you as I spit mad fire.

You have to clear that mob. It's a roamer. It'll show up everywhere and waste your time.

jk cd :p