Dear, anti-afk-check people, how's that AC list?

[Castle2.0]

:D

I predicted Manastone /list would blow up to 50+ if there were no AFK checks.

And these boots don't ever leave the game.

Sincerely,
Mannastradamus

[loramin]

Honestly, having been here awhile and having done /list, done player agreement rolls, done "waiting for my turn for a camp", etc. ... AFK checks are almost my least favorite thing in any system. They are not classic EverQuest ... and this is supposed to be a place that celebrates classic EverQuest!

The only good thing about the AFK checks are that they're part of a larger system that discourages monopolization. AFK checks may suck, but they beat the heck out of a few insane nerds hogging certain items to themselves (which did happen on Blue in the past, and undoubtedly would have occurred to legacy item camps without the /list system).

But, as I've said in many other threads, we don't have to just accept a terribly unclassic and not-EverQuest thing (clicking a box every fifteen minutes) to avoid the worse thing (five guys monopolizing a camp). There are third (and fourth, and fifth, and ...) options.

Each one requires custom programming work by the staff, so I understand them not wanting to try a million systems ... but ultimately I do hope they can find a way to make a "/list 2.0" someday.

[magnetaress]

it should be pretty easy for a computer to click gthe 'ok' buttons in fact 1 computer could handle like 10 afk checks by just routing commands around

what is really strange to me is why people invest the effort in botting at all, especially on servers where they aren't welcome when there are so many servers that allow massive levels of automation

yet they come to p99 and try to get away with unattended gameplay lol

idk..

PVP is the solution FFA no level limit, just leave it at that, let anyone kill anyone anywhere anytime anyway they want including exp deaths and trains

delete all blue servers

[magnetaress]

it's immoral to take an item from another player or hurt a mob another player wants

basically u should be a collective with a hive mentality, thats what "the real good guilds" like Ghxst and Seal Team Six are anyway

very uncreative gameplay peoples

[loramin]

it's immoral to take an item from another player or hurt a mob another player wants

I think looking at people playing EQ as a morality issue (when it's not something like RMT that threatens this place's very existence) is the wrong way to look at it.

EQ is a system. People in that system will do what they need to do get their dopamine (pixels). The staff can and should make that system work however they want: they're putting all the time and money in, so there is no "morality" involved. It's just a question of "what do the people who make this place want?", and as long as people are playing the game the staff wanted to make it's "good".

But they've made one thing crystal clear: "what they want" is classic EverQuest. I just believe a "/list 2.0" system could achieve something closer to their goal ... ie. closer to classic .

[magnetaress]

I think looking at people playing EQ as a morality issue (when it's not something like RMT that threatens this place's very existence) is the wrong way to look at it.

EQ is a system. People in that system will do what they need to do get their dopamine (pixels). The staff can and should make that system work however they want: they're putting all the time and money in, so there is no "morality" involved, just "what do the people who make this place want?"

But they've made one thing crystal clear: "what they want" is classic EverQuest. I just believe a "/list 2.0" system could achieve something closer to classic (as we'll never be able to get 100% back because of player knowledge and better internet connections and all that).

omg u actually convinced me you are 100% right https://i.imgur.com/YDSH8Ps.gif

[loramin]

:D

Well with that checked off my list, can we talk about your contributing to the wiki now?

[magnetaress]

I almost did, i actually made this text file

ulthork totals
SLT WT AC INT WIS STR STA CHA DEX HP MANA
Brc 1 6 -1 +1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brc 1 6 -1 +1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Hd .6 8 0 0 3 -3 0 0 0 0
Nck .5 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 30 -30
Glv 1.5 8 3 0 0 0 -3 0 0 0
Bts 2.5 8 0 -3 0 0 0 +3 0 0
Lgs 4 9 -3 0 0 0 +3 0 0 0
Arms 1.5 8 0 +3 0 0 0 -3 0 0
Chst 3.5 13 0 +3 0 0 -5 0 -35 +35
All 16.1 73 -5 +5 3 -3 -5 0 -5 +5



but i wasn't able to log in

[loramin]

but i wasn't able to log in


Try going to https://wiki.project1999.com

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/TFvCOlL.jpg

[turbosilk]

Honestly, having been here awhile and having done /list, done player agreement rolls, done "waiting for my turn for a camp", etc. ... AFK checks are almost my least favorite thing in any system. They are not classic EverQuest ... and this is supposed to be a place that celebrates classic EverQuest!

The only good thing about the AFK checks are that they're part of a larger system that discourages monopolization. AFK checks may suck, but they beat the heck out of a few insane nerds hogging certain items to themselves (which did happen on Blue in the past, and undoubtedly would have occurred to legacy item camps without the /list system).

But, as I've said in many other threads, we don't have to just accept a terribly unclassic and not-EverQuest thing (clicking a box every fifteen minutes) to avoid the worse thing (five guys monopolizing a camp). There are third (and fourth, and fifth, and ...) options.

Each one requires custom programming work by the staff, so I understand them not wanting to try a million systems ... but ultimately I do hope they can find a way to make a "/list 2.0" someday.

I agree let's celebrate the classic Everquest experience!

What are your recommendations for addressing the non classic experience of solo level 50s monopolizing classic experience group camps?

[loramin]

What are your recommendations for addressing the non classic experience of solo level 50s monopolizing classic experience group camps?

My recommendation would be to understand that re-creating classic EQ is a sisyphean task: the staff will never 100% succeed at rolling that boulder to the top of that hill.

The aim here is not to re-create 1999-2001 exactly, it's to re-create 1999-2001 as closely as possible in 2020.

As such, some things (like player distributions among popular camps ... and indeed the very proportions of levels: live was never as top-heavy as this place) are always going to be unclassic. I'd suggest we accept that, live with it, and advocate for changes that can realistically make things more classic :)

Something something, strength to accept the things we can't change, something something.

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/TFvCOlL.jpg

It's not a gif but it's hurtful wards, u were warned.

now do a bald ebony transgender hooker with a $5000 dolla weave, fungi, and 2 yaks, & fbss in the cage

Thankfully DBG provides a button that has a slow burn once it's activated. So we can avoid that instant shock.

[magnetaress]

My recommendation would be to understand that re-creating classic EQ is a sisyphean task: the staff will never 100% succeed at rolling that boulder to the top of that hill.

The aim here is not to re-create 1999-2001 exactly, it's to re-create 1999-2001 as closely as possible in 2020.

As such, some things (like player distributions among popular camps ... and indeed the very proportions of levels: live was never as top-heavy as this place) are always going to be unclassic. I'd suggest we accept that, live with it, and advocate for changes that can realistically make things more classic :)

Something something, strength to accept the things we can't change, something something.

all that said i would donate $10 to this project occasinally even tho i really dont play a lot here and mostly post

pixels are unimportant its nice to know p99 exists and when p99 dies a big part of me will die to - this is probably closer to how the devs feel but one day they will need to hit the beach or pass p99 on to their kids, that'll be interesting, i bet it will happen

or some new birth of some new game will come from all this

[turbosilk]

My recommendation would be to understand that re-creating classic EQ is a sisyphean task: the staff will never 100% succeed at rolling that boulder to the top of that hill.

The aim here is not to re-create 1999-2001 exactly, it's to re-create 1999-2001 as closely as possible in 2020.

As such, some things (like player distributions among popular camps ... and indeed the very proportions of levels: live was never as top-heavy as this place) are always going to be unclassic. I'd suggest we accept that, live with it, and advocate for changes that can realistically make things more classic :)

Something something, strength to accept the things we can't change, something something.

Good response. Do you have any recommendations for what we should be advocating for that can realistically make things more of the classic experience?

[aspomwell]

:D

Well with that checked off my list, can we talk about your contributing to the wiki now?

For the love of God, NO!

I can ignore it on the forums, there's no ignore function in the wiki...

[loramin]

Good response. Do you have any recommendations for what we should be advocating for that can realistically make things more of the classic experience?

I'm a big believer in the future of "automated GMing" on P99. /list could be only the first step, and I'd love to see further iterations of it. But at the same time, the staff only implemented /list for three mobs, and only on Green. My theory is that they only "dipped their toes in the water" because they're concerned that "the cure could be worse than the disease" (ie. they don't want to inadvertently make things less classic). Their problem isn't "what are some ideas to make things more classic?", it's "how do we not screw things up by trying to improve them?" Classic mechanics vs. classic environment is a difficult balancing act.

When we in the forum discuss ideas, I see it as a sort of "proving ground": a chance for flaws in ideas to be discovered (we all love to find flaws in each other's arguments ;)). So personally I see threads like this, where people suggest ideas, and other people tear them down, as part of a healthy cycle for the server. I imagine Rogean and Nilbog quietly watching, and seeing which ideas can't be torn apart. In other words, I imagine these discussions give them another way to weigh whether a potential change will make the server more or less classic.

But automated GMing is just one thing. Another example would be the recent clicky nerf. Now look: people have been begging for Soulfire to be Paladin-only for years, and R&N waited until recently to make it so, so one could argue all that forum pleading was for nothing. But I don't see it that way: I instead imagine they waited so long because they were hesitant to make "unclassic" (mechanically) changes ... but then finally made the change because the consistent forum feedback finally gave them the confidence to decide that "non-Paladins clicking Soulfires for CHes is not classic EQ".

So really I'd just recommend everyone suggest any ideas they can for trying to make the server the way we all remember it being back in 1999-2001, and when you hear an idea someone else has that you think would make things better, speak up. Haters will tear holes in your idea, but that's good (in a "survival of the fittest idea" way). If you can make the idea work even with criticism (and get others to buy into it) ... well I won't lie: it's extremely unlikely that Rogean or Nilbog will respond to your post and say "you're right, you've convinced me, I'll make _____ change!"

But even if they never say a word, I truly think simply having such conversations does help give the staff useful information that can help them decide what will truly make this place more classic.

[magnetaress]

For the love of God, NO!

I can ignore it on the forums, there's no ignore function in the wiki...

https://i.imgur.com/itGgRNH.gif

[turbosilk]

I'm a big believer in the future of "automated GMing" on P99. /list could be only the first step, and I'd love to see further iterations of it. But at the same time, the staff only implemented /list for three mobs, and only on Green. My theory is that they only "dipped their toes in the water" because they're concerned that "the cure could be worse than the disease" (ie. they don't want to inadvertently make things less classic). Their problem isn't "what are some ideas to make things more classic?", it's "how do we not screw things up by trying to improve them?" Classic mechanics vs. classic environment is a difficult balancing act.

When we in the forum discuss ideas, I see it as a sort of "proving ground": a chance for flaws in ideas to be discovered (we all love to find flaws in each other's arguments ;)). So personally I see threads like this, where people suggest ideas, and other people tear them down, as part of a healthy cycle for the server. I imagine Rogean and Nilbog quietly watching, and seeing which ideas can't be torn apart. In other words, I imagine these discussions give them another way to weigh whether a potential change will make the server more or less classic.

But automated GMing is just one thing. Another example would be the recent clicky nerf. Now look: people have been begging for Soulfire to be Paladin-only for years, and R&N waited until recently to make it so, so one could argue all that forum pleading was for nothing. But I don't see it that way: I instead imagine they waited so long because they were hesitant to make "unclassic" (mechanically) changes ... but then finally made the change because the consistent forum feedback finally gave them the confidence to decide that "non-Paladins clicking Soulfires for CHes is not classic EQ".

So really I'd just recommend everyone suggest any ideas they can for trying to make the server the way we all remember it being back in 1999-2001, and when you hear an idea someone else has that you think would make things better, speak up. Haters will tear holes in your idea, but that's good (in a "survival of the fittest idea" way). If you can make the idea work even with criticism (and get others to buy into it) ... well I won't lie: it's extremely unlikely that Rogean or Nilbog will respond to your post and say "you're right, you've convinced me, I'll make _____ change!"

But even if they never say a word, I truly think simply having such conversations does help give the staff useful information that can help them decide what will truly make this place more classic.

I think you just dodged offering up specific recommendations :)

[loramin]

Well, more automated GMing was specific :)

But yeah, overall I think the staff has done, and continues to do, excellent things making this place better/more classic/more fun. When I see things I think can be improved I am not shy about saying them, but ATM I think the staff is kicking ass, and automated GMing is the only area I see obvious improvement potential in.

P.S. It's not so much an idea I want to advocate for, as it is a dream, but I would love to somehow see a split between "competitors" and "casuals". I truly think that if people could choose which style they preferred they'd have more fun with "their kind" (eg. "rotation raiders" hate having to compete with "competitors", and "competition raiders" hate having mobs "given" to others). Teal sort of accidentally created that separation ... but how to separate the two groups and keep both happy (on purpose) is a hard problem I don't have a clear answer to :)

In classic this naturally happened on each server: you had a guild or three of "competitors", and they only sort of played on the same server as everyone else (they spent a ton of time in places like VP and Sleeper's that the rest of the server never saw). But here the ratios of competitors and casuals are much different, and that's why I think it would feel more classic if the two each got their own server with rules geared towards them ... but again, I have no practical suggestion for doing that well, so it's just a dream.

[Castle2.0]

Where are the replies? I see 2 pages listed, but I don't see any replies except Turbo and Apsomwell. Darn post filter Chrome extension magic!

We need more reactions on the AC list =)

[loramin]

Where are the replies? I see 2 pages listed, but I don't see any replies except Turbo and Apsomwell. Darn post filter Chrome extension magic!

We need more reactions on the AC list =)

I replied: I think AFK checks (on AC or otherwise) are a flawed and unclassic solution.

BUT, I 100% love the idea of having "automated GMing" on AC ... I just think it should work differently to solve the clear and obvious problems with "/list 1.0". As I've said elsewhere, the bulk of that problem could be solved by making it so everyone on the list has a random chance for the AC. Nothing in EQ (except faction and XP) is ever a guarantee for time put in: everything is about patience and luck, and that change would move things from "unclassic box clicking" to "classic (in the patience and luck sense) EQ".

[Snortles Chortles]

Need automated forum post suppression too IMO

[DMN]

Just buy SoW pots already, like anyone with half an freaking brain would do.

[magnetaress]

creating ur own echo chamber were u can self affirm how retarded u are, even easier in 2020, gj bill gates

[aspomwell]

Where are the replies? I see 2 pages listed, but I don't see any replies except Turbo and Apsomwell. Darn post filter Chrome extension magic!

We need more reactions on the AC list =)

And my reply was hardly contributory! Much like this one!

I'm one of them casuals that most of these decisions will never impact, so I don't really have a dog in the fight. Whatever makes life easier for the peeps that run this server is good enough for me. I'm just glad they give me a place to play!

[turbosilk]

Maybe a casual all raid mobs are open server weather for the classic experience and a 24/7 neckbeard raid and solo all camps with level 50s server.

[bluntfang]

retarded

do you really have to use that word?

[magnetaress]

do you really have to use that word?

stupid would be preferable?

that said you are policing my speech over an arbitrary perceived not even implied slight

I believe that the kindest things we can do for the mentally ill or challenged or handicapped or whatever are to give them mercy and compassion and alleviate, not pro-long their suffering. Try to ameliorate them. If that is what you are implying. I am not talking about those people.

Since you are intelligent enough to be upset at my language usage you are also intelligent enough to find the ignore feature since I won't reach for my thesaurus.

my intention isn't to 'get through to you' or reason with you, if i wanted to do that I would post from a clean account where I used the biggest of politically correctest words only and I would put serious thought into my feelings and efforts not just stream conciousnesses. That said if you want to gulag me go for it, do your best, sorry you don't like freedom and freeform thought

i'm not here to like change your opinion man

also this thread belongs in rnf not out in public where google can spider it

[magnetaress]

And my reply was hardly contributory! Much like this one!

I'm one of them casuals that most of these decisions will never impact, so I don't really have a dog in the fight. Whatever makes life easier for the peeps that run this server is good enough for me. I'm just glad they give me a place to play!

thats because you are automaticly upset by any kind of nonconformity

this means you are probably in need of church and electroshock therapy

[cd288]

do you really have to use that word?

Petition them in the petitions forum. Maybe they'll get banned or suspended

[loramin]

stupid would be preferable?

Actually yeah. Calling someone stupid isn't saying "you're the same as a person with a mental disability, and it's bad to be a person with a mental disability" ... because there are plenty of non-disabled stupid people :) Thus, "stupid" is preferable.

that said you are policing my speech over an arbitrary perceived not even implied slight

You can look at it like "the thought police are coming to take my words away!" ... or you can look at it like "some people have mental disabilities; do I really need to risk making one of those people's life worse, if they hear/read me using that word?"

[magnetaress]

I don't really think to make those distinctions because I don't think in exclusionary terms. So on the surface to someone with low linguistic and emotional intelligence and poor reading comprehension with an over active imagination and a racist baseline personality.. Yeah I could see how a low effort intellectually neglected plebe may possibly be really offended enough to want to censor me and wish me isolation and bodily harm.

[loramin]

I don't really think to make those distinctions because I don't think in exclusionary terms. So on the surface to someone with low linguistic and emotional intelligence and poor reading comprehension with an over active imagination and a racist baseline personality.. Yeah I could see how a low effort intellectually neglected plebe may possibly be really offended enough to want to censor me and wish me isolation and bodily harm.

Right, but again it's not about what distinctions you do or don't make: it's about the person hearing/reading the word.

You might not give a crap about the N-word, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt and offend others when you use it, so you avoid saying it not because of any "distinctions" of the word in your head, but for others' benefit.

You can absolutely choose not to do so, and risk offending or hurting a mentally disabled person. My question is, when our language has so many other words that also mean stupid, why pick that particular one, when it's the only one especially hurtful to people ... people who already have a challenging enough life as it is?

[magnetaress]

Right, but again it's not about what distinctions you do or don't make: it's about the person hearing/reading the word.

You might not give a crap about the N-word, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt and offend others when you use it, so you avoid saying it not because of any "distinctions" of the word in your head, but for others' benefit.

You can absolutely choose not to do so, and risk offending or hurting a mentally disabled person. My question is, when our language has so many other words that also mean stupid, why pick that particular one, when it's the only one especially hurtful to people ... people who already have a challenging enough life as it is?

On a basic level probably because I have personally heard the word a lot. A lot of people like to attack my intellect, and empathy. But, like, I just got bigger problems than obsessing over vocabulary on a regular basis.

You all have very valid points and I said in the past I would consider them in future communications.

Consider this a failure on my part and that, I think I, like possibly feel, like I understood.

But like, guys, let's just be honest. I am not super nice, kind, thoughtful, safe, or like emotionally consistent and disciplined.

It is going to take a considerable effort on my part to use kinder, gentler, more ladylike and enlightened, less divisive, and more harmonious vocabulary.

It's actually important to me. I have to be seriously honest with you all I have much more pressing and seriously very important life and death concerns to devote my limited and psychotic attention to.

So God bless. And know that I am a little sorry and that is why I am establishing a discourse with some pretty solid rational and excuses for future slip ups.

🤗

[loramin]

On a basic level probably because I have personally heard the word a lot. A lot of people like to attack my intellect, and empathy. But, like, I just got bigger problems than obsessing over vocabulary on a regular basis.

You all have very valid points and I said in the past I would consider them in future communications.

Consider this a failure on my part and that, I think I, like possibly feel, like I understood.

But like, guys, let's just be honest. I am not super nice, kind, thoughtful, safe, or like emotionally consistent and disciplined.

It is going to take a considerable effort on my part to use kinder, gentler, more ladylike and enlightened, less divisive, and more harmonious vocabulary.

It's actually important to me. I have to be seriously honest with you all I have much more pressing and seriously very important life and death concerns to devote my limited and psychotic attention to.

So God bless. And know that I am a little sorry and that is why I am establishing a discourse with some pretty solid rational and excuses for future slip ups.

🤗

:D

[Jimjam]

Retard is like the F* and N** words. You only get to use them if you are one.


*Fan
*Nerd

[magnetaress]

Retard is like the F* and N** words. You only get to use them if you are one.


*Fan
*Nerd

Then why did you just use them?

Morlock is my new word. Because they are so highly evolved.

[Jimjam]

Are those the troglodytes that rise up to eat the rich?

[magnetaress]

Are those the troglodytes that rise up to eat the rich?

I wouldn't dare describe the Eloi as rich. I suppose they are people, however. Probably.

[bluntfang]

I really don't think it's about offending people. It's about establishing that people who need accommodations or people who have disabilities are people, and using those words creates an overall sentiment that they are less than people. That they don't deserve the basic respect that every human deserves. It's dehumanizing. These people already have a hard time, they don't need a bunch of people thinking they're less than human, opening the door for discrimination.

words have power. Lift people up. Don't tear them down.

[red_demonman]

/list for AC camp is a terrible idea. No one wants to sit at position 3+ of any list and have to pay much attention for something that they are not likely going to have a shot at for hours. Just let them queue up and if they are there and alert when it's their turn on the player-honored list then all is good, otherwise they get removed and life goes on.

Also, just buy sow pots.

[cd288]

Actually yeah. Calling someone stupid isn't saying "you're the same as a person with a mental disability, and it's bad to be a person with a mental disability" ... because there are plenty of non-disabled stupid people :) Thus, "stupid" is preferable.



You can look at it like "the thought police are coming to take my words away!" ... or you can look at it like "some people have mental disabilities; do I really need to risk making one of those people's life worse, if they hear/read me using that word?"

I can't see their posts normally because I have them on ignore. And the posts you quoted reminded me why that is. That is the weirdest take I've ever seen and extremely odd to see someone dig their heels in over why they can call someone retarded instead of being like oh my bad...

[Snortles Chortles]

/em takes a big SiP from a 10-dose SoW potion

[bluntfang]

I can't see their posts normally because I have them on ignore. And the posts you quoted reminded me why that is. That is the weirdest take I've ever seen and extremely odd to see someone dig their heels in over why they can call someone retarded instead of being like oh my bad...

I really think the community moderators need to consider taking a stronger hand on behavior like this outside of the RnF forum.

[loramin]

/list for AC camp is a terrible idea. No one wants to sit at position 3+ of any list and have to pay much attention for something that they are not likely going to have a shot at for hours.

TLDR; We can't add more rings to the game, so we're just talking about the least worst way to share something lots of people want. Out of all possible systems, I think a "/list for a random chance for the mob" is the best/most in keeping with the spirit of EQ.

Here's the core thing: the staff isn't adding more Ancient Cyclops to the game. No matter what, if there are 3+ people who want the ring ATM, in any system you are going to have to "compete" with those people for the ring.

In a clickfest system you "compete" by racing to click faster than the other guy (who may or may not be using banned, but hard to catch "autofire" software). In PvP you fight over the AC. Neither of those options are very popular among players.

That leaves two options: make up something arbitrary and not EQ to "compete" with (eg. everyone starts playing /gems when the AC spawns, and the last person to lose gets the AC), or you have to have some sort of "waiting in line" approach. That could mean waiting in line forever at the mob, or "player agreement roll style", where you have to "wait in line" by continually showing up to each spawning of the mob, and hoping to win a random roll.

Traditionally the staff has been liked non-EQ games, at least for solving a similar "competition problems" among raiders (see "CotH races" and other "FTE races"). But with Green they tried instead to combine the two approaches. /list was a waiting list, but it also included a non-EQ "competition game" (whoever can't click a box every 15 minutes loses).

I think "/list 2.0" could do even better :) Either it could be what you suggest (ie. pure wait in line, essentially just an automated version of the current player system):

Just let them queue up and if they are there and alert when it's their turn on the player-honored list then all is good, otherwise they get removed and life goes on.

Or, it could be player agreement roll style (ie. you "/list" to wait for a random chance to kill the mob when it pops). I think either would be superior to "/list 1.0", but the problem with "pure list" is that it will likely lead to giant backlogs. With no AFK checks, everyone will park their toons at AC and let them sit their a week until their turn comes up (and since so many people want the item, and you just have to sit there for it, the line will quickly get that long, or longer).

I lean towards thinking the player agreement roll system ... a system so popular the player community agreed to it by consensus (ie. everyone agreed on it ... something which never happens here) ... is really the model they should follow for /list 2.0.

I can't see their posts normally because I have them on ignore. And the posts you quoted reminded me why that is. That is the weirdest take I've ever seen and extremely odd to see someone dig their heels in over why they can call someone retarded instead of being like oh my bad...

To be fair, they actually admitted fault and agreed to try and do better in a post that came after (which you also can't see).

[Snortles Chortles]

I bet you feel pretty silly right now.

[magnetaress]

I ignore myself a lot too to be fair.

[Videri]

Click here to add magnetaress to your ignore list. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=210090)

[Izmael]

Click here to add magnetaress to your ignore list. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=210090)

Thanks for the link. First time I use this feature on any internet forum!

[magnetaress]

lot of really angry people shaming and shunning me worse than i accidently shamed a class of people i don't even care enough about to devote brain cycles worrying about shaming

....

anyway thread is about 'contesting' the ac, definately should not be a list camp and wizards with FTE deserve the rings above all other classes, thats how it was in my day, this camp is special and CS is dumb to even bother with it, they should just dt the petitioniners in s ro, summon them to cs home first so they have to die and leave their loot in cshome, then let their corpses rot, and then allow them to petition again for another chance at looting their corpse so they can do it all over again

it's dumb, and u guys especially castle need to seek some serious help sorry this thread made u mad enough to create a hyperlink

[Snortles Chortles]

Click here to add magnetaress to your ignore list. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=210090)

[Videri]

lulz, you got a meme of someone who's feeling smug and didn't read?

[magnetaress]

lulz, you got a meme of someone who's feeling smug and didn't read?

i'm feeling like a zombie sailor why you replying to me if you are on ignore?

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/DQj5Lhj.png

[Videri]

https://i.imgur.com/DQj5Lhj.png

Theeeeeeere it is.

[magnetaress]

this was the culimination of years of recruitng, prepping on live tlps, gym workouts, keto diets, and poweraids. and twitch streaming 'contention' and breeding the hardest core gamers the planet has ever seen and then attempting to 'dominate' the 'hippest retro project on the internet' by a bunch of memelord millennials that can't even rp elfs

p99 is a museum, it should be a museum, it should be horrible

but what happened is the equivalent of a bunch of 1st year paleantology majors raiding the smythsonian

[Castle2.0]

Videri, you are my hero. Didn't even know that was possible. Wow. My forum QOL just improved 20% because 20% of the crap messages are from a few people.

Thank you!

[aaezil]

I'm a big believer in the future of "automated GMing" on P99. /list could be only the first step, and I'd love to see further iterations of it. But at the same time, the staff only implemented /list for three mobs, and only on Green. My theory is that they only "dipped their toes in the water" because they're concerned that "the cure could be worse than the disease" (ie. they don't want to inadvertently make things less classic). Their problem isn't "what are some ideas to make things more classic?", it's "how do we not screw things up by trying to improve them?" Classic mechanics vs. classic environment is a difficult balancing act.

When we in the forum discuss ideas, I see it as a sort of "proving ground": a chance for flaws in ideas to be discovered (we all love to find flaws in each other's arguments ;)). So personally I see threads like this, where people suggest ideas, and other people tear them down, as part of a healthy cycle for the server. I imagine Rogean and Nilbog quietly watching, and seeing which ideas can't be torn apart. In other words, I imagine these discussions give them another way to weigh whether a potential change will make the server more or less classic.

But automated GMing is just one thing. Another example would be the recent clicky nerf. Now look: people have been begging for Soulfire to be Paladin-only for years, and R&N waited until recently to make it so, so one could argue all that forum pleading was for nothing. But I don't see it that way: I instead imagine they waited so long because they were hesitant to make "unclassic" (mechanically) changes ... but then finally made the change because the consistent forum feedback finally gave them the confidence to decide that "non-Paladins clicking Soulfires for CHes is not classic EQ".

So really I'd just recommend everyone suggest any ideas they can for trying to make the server the way we all remember it being back in 1999-2001, and when you hear an idea someone else has that you think would make things better, speak up. Haters will tear holes in your idea, but that's good (in a "survival of the fittest idea" way). If you can make the idea work even with criticism (and get others to buy into it) ... well I won't lie: it's extremely unlikely that Rogean or Nilbog will respond to your post and say "you're right, you've convinced me, I'll make _____ change!"

But even if they never say a word, I truly think simply having such conversations does help give the staff useful information that can help them decide what will truly make this place more classic.

Most of the people who post are ex players and aside from maybe a few gms i dont believe the devs spend their free time reading pages and pages of forums riddled with mostly spam posters and trolls

[Videri]

Videri, you are my hero. Didn't even know that was possible. Wow. My forum QOL just improved 20% because 20% of the crap messages are from a few people.

Thank you!

Glad I could be of service. Now, back to your record-setting DPS!

I remember when some forumdweller had an "ignore NameOfForumEnemy" in his signature. Dastardly. :p

[aaezil]

That is to say of course if the forums were moderated then it maybe one day could be a place for actual meaningful discussions.

[loramin]

Most of the people who post are ex players and aside from maybe a few gms i dont believe the devs spend their free time reading pages and pages of forums riddled with mostly spam posters and trolls

Do I think Rogean and Nilbog have better things to do with their time then read every post every idiot (myself included) writes? Of course.

But we're a community, and ideas spread in a community. It seems to me if an idea is good enough, somehow R&N will hear about it, either through the few posts (if any) they do read, or through talking to others who read the relevant posts.

[magnetaress]

ya'll are a bunch of dumb robots posting about dumb shit anywayu so who cares

i dont think i even bothered posting this but like ya'll are the least classic and most crybaby bunch i ever met

[magnetaress]

also /list is a classic example of using a machine to think for u because u cant think for yourselves

none of you are thinking for yourselves or thinking of anyone else for that matter

that is a big part of the problem of why you are such unclassic crybaby robots

[rewinder47]

Click here to add magnetaress to your ignore list. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=210090)

This needs to be its own thread

[magnetaress]

^^^^ prime example of 'the r word is mean'

plugs ears

ignores the truth about pixel lust

*does something worse than use the r word*

[loramin]

^^^^ prime example of 'the r word is mean'

plugs ears

ignores the truth about pixel lust

*does something worse than use the r word*

Mag, I don't think all the ignores are just coming from your user of the "r-word". I very strongly suspect your larger posting history is in fact a far more significant factor.

[Snortles Chortles]

I bet you feel pretty silly right now.

[loramin]

I bet you feel pretty silly right now.

Trying out a new catchphrase or something Lulz?

[damus1]

Glad I got mine early on when list had 10 ppl max. I could sense the shitstorm brewing a mile away. I'm very surprised there hasn't been any furious neckbeard drama on RNF yet, I'm sure we'll see plenty in the days to come.

[Castle2.0]

How's that list going? Rumor has it there is some google doc keeping the list? Would love to see that ;)

[Snortles Chortles]

ExcelQuest

[Castle2.0]

Ke ke ke....

Mannastrodmus strikes again... 100+ list... RIP.

[Vdaria]

It’s not literally a 100+ person list you walnut, how many of those people are actually online at any time? How many times do 15+ people get purged at once? It’s effectively 5-15 people deep.

[Tuljin]

Mannastrodmus strikes again...

You make that 200k sale yet?

[Castle2.0]

It’s not literally a 100+ person list you walnut, how many of those people are actually online at any time? How many times do 15+ people get purged at once? It’s effectively 5-15 people deep. It is literally a 103-person list.

You make that 200k sale yet? Off topic. I've turned down a 60k, 100k, and 130k offer. So we're getting there. I think one sold recently for 150k. Not mine tho!

[Tuljin]

I've turned down a 60k, 100k, and 130k offer. So we're getting there. I think one sold recently for 150k. Not mine tho!

"You think" one sold "recently" for "150k?" Or is that more like...what actually happens when people say they bought a high-value item in the pathetic economy on Green where everyone invests in DKP instead of coin....50k +"100k" worth of items?

Tuljinstradamus putting in his two cents...a Mannastone will ~never~ sell for 200k raw coin on this server. Ever. Raw coin, not this "200k" but mostly item trade nonsense.

Everyone now is resorting to plat and trades for everything because, as Tuljinstradamus predicted back in December and Mannastradamus poo-pooed - everyone this time around invests in DKP, everybodys broke, and anybody with a pile of plat now will blow large sums on a couple key items in Kunark.

After the fat cats spend their plat piles while everyone else is stacking their DKP and camping VP keys for dragon loot they wont get because there are so many more mouths to feed than actual items that will drop, it will be item for item trades with some plat thrown in.

Mannastradamus dude, lmfao

[Castle2.0]

Oh ya the "people be broke (bc i am broke and everyone is like me) and invest only in DKP (bc i invest in DKP and everyone is like me) and since they invest in DKP they cannot possibly make plat (bc I cannot make plat when I invest in DKP and everyone is like me)."

Got it.

The fact that The Manastone has gone from 60 to 100 to 130 is telling. Sorry you didn't get one. Mine will sell for 200k raw coin, no worries. Trend is right. Trend follows facts: plat stacks and stacks. I think we calculated HGs @ 30k/day flowing into economy. Almost 1 million per month. 1 camp in 1 zone.

Feel free to follow-up on another thread. This one is about the ridiculous AC list - not your ridiculous "everyone plat broke, DKP rich, item broke" theory.

P.S. I got plat AND manastone(s) AND I got DKP-loots. Imagine that? Greed/envy/fear clouds your mind mmmmm make an accurate prediction you cannot mmmm.

[Izmael]

I got plat AND manastone(s) AND I got DKP-loots.

but do you have a 10/10 in your lap

[Snortles Chortles]

YeS

[Vdaria]

It is literally a 103-person list.


Wow, I just went from 128 to 79. In the span of 15 seconds. Wow, 49 people just got the ring in the span of 15 seconds.

[Jimjam]

Plat grows, manastones shrink ego plat/manastone can only go up?

[Tuljin]

Plat grows, manastones shrink ego plat/manastone can only go up?

Anyone who is gonna stack 200k plat already has a mannastone. That's all there is to it.

And like I've been saying since the fall....."200k" in Velious isn't 200k in....the first half of 2020. Also, the plat values will never hit Blue levels because of a lack of time.

What is "it's gonna go up?" Did Rubi BP go "up"? Anyone who turned down 35k for a Rubi BP in December/January for a "better offer" is a moron. Let's not forget Manna Robes will drop in Kunark, as well. And DKP, let's not forget, is "free."

Nobody knows shit dude. Mannastradamus my ass. The vast majority of people on this server have less than 10k in the bank, over 90%. That's an absolute fact. So, when I say "everyone is fucking broke".....I'm not wrong lol

[sajbert]

The fact that The Manastone has gone from 60 to 100 to 130 is telling. Sorry you didn't get one. Mine will sell for 200k raw coin, no worries. Trend is right. Trend follows facts: plat stacks and stacks. I think we calculated HGs @ 30k/day flowing into economy. Almost 1 million per month. 1 camp in 1 zone.

Yeah GL with that 200k sale. Looking at auction tracker you can see the same few sellers unable to sell their manastones and some in blind optimism asking 200k.

Manna robe is hitting the world soon and we have a whole continent where non porters have zero use for it. Only thing speaking for a price increase is the added platflow from Kunark but people will be busy saving up for fungi, fungistaff and whatnot.

[Castle2.0]

Stopped listening to Tuljin when he compared Manastone to Rubi BP, lol

[Tuljin]

Stopped listening to Tuljin when he compared Manastone to Rubi BP, lol

Well the LOL is the idiotic speculation that somehow a not-that-great item would be worth like.....50k? when it stopped dropping....just because it stopped dropping. My point is the speculation.

Everybody listing 200 and 250k in EC just to throw the auction tracker numbers. Anybody who can stack 200k isn't going to pay that much for a Mannastone. Anyone who has stacked 200k already has one, or more, that they bought for around "100k" be that coin or items or combination. Nobody gonna pay 200k coin dude.

What's really comical here is how you run your mouth on these forums as if nobody else knows what they're talking about and you just -cant help- but keep running your mouth despite whatever anybody else says.

You're gonna say "-stradamus" on this thread when all you did is say that a bunch of fat 40-year-olds with a spreadsheet playing a 20 year old elf sim can't "play nice." Uhhh....I want my $5 back for that bullshit reading

You come up with some convoluted way to recharge a mannastone that will "drive up the price" when nobody is gonna pay as much money as you want for it anyways. And if it's such a great "secret" that you've found after 20 years of people playing this game all fucking day....why on earth would you share it and make a forum post about it? What the fuck are you talking about man?

You are unbelieveable dude and it's quite comical actually

[Izmael]

The only manastones that count are on the Blue server.

Sorry!

[beh]

Yeah GL with that 200k sale. Looking at auction tracker you can see the same few sellers unable to sell their manastones and some in blind optimism asking 200k.

Manna robe is hitting the world soon and we have a whole continent where non porters have zero use for it. Only thing speaking for a price increase is the added platflow from Kunark but people will be busy saving up for fungi, fungistaff and whatnot.

Not falling on either side of this manastone price argument but I'd just like to state that a Manna Robe is not even comparable by a long-shot. To be honest it was the most disappointing item I ever waited so long to get back on blue kunark days. Sitting there trying to time server ticks and shit so you can sit between every other cast... forget it.

[Fammaden]

Not falling on either side of this manastone price argument but I'd just like to state that a Manna Robe is not even comparable by a long-shot. To be honest it was the most disappointing item I ever waited so long to get back on blue kunark days. Sitting there trying to time server ticks and shit so you can sit between every other cast... forget it.

Yeah, I'd agree with you there. Everyone seems to want them on wizards, but I mained wiz in era and got one off Trak during Velious while I had my epic and it ended up banked since it was lame as shit. Maybe I was missing something but I never seem to see anyone on blue spamming them or talking about them or saying how much they need one so I'd assume its not really that great compared to just a big mana pool, FT and buffs.

[Castle2.0]

Tuljin, I'll give you one more courtesy response, but even if it hurts so much to see someone so wrong (like when you watch someone step on a rake) I'll have to just let it go after this. Some things below I have already said


Rubi BP has obvious replacements (Ikky BP / Fungus.) Manastone does not. You can see Beh, Fammaden, and others responses on that. I camped one Rubi BP and sold it for 28k, knew it was highest I'd ever get. Only ever bought/sold when profit was obvious. Never pushed Rubi BP being some evergreen value on forums. It will only go down then just be a cute item to have around. Conclusion: Your comparison is bad
Manastone has unlimited charges - you don't recharge it you silly willikus. Yes, it was a secret - no one has claimed they knew it - everyone I shared with in-game said the same thing. It's a way to regen mana 3x faster - pretty useful, especially for porters.
Why would I share the secret? Because it's an unlimited resource. Anyone can Mannadance. Maybe max 8 due to line of site on the NPC... but you can recharge mana so fast, people will be in and out. It's like telling people there are batwings for sale in East Commonlands... "ZOMG! Why would you tell people that? Why not keep this great secret to yourself?!?!"


You crack me up Tuljin, but this response is all I can give. Your incorrigible. You refuse to accept numbers-backed-facts, and you push silly ideas ("DKP or plat, you can only have one", etc.)

[Tuljin]

Tuljin, I'll give you one more courtesy response, but even if it hurts so much to see someone so wrong (like when you watch someone step on a rake) I'll have to just let it go after this. Some things below I have already said

You crack me up Tuljin, but this response is all I can give. Your incorrigible. You refuse to accept numbers-backed-facts, and you push silly ideas ("DKP or plat, you can only have one", etc.)

Dude I'm not even trippin about how ridiculous you are, I know you're not a horrible asshole like a lot of people can be, but I have yet to see a "character" like you on the forums in many years on P99 which is why I have to chime in.

Im flying out of my house yesterday cause I have a lot of better shit to do - you recharge your HP/mana, you port and gate back to "recharge", when you're dealing with stupid arguments and difficult people you can be thrown off easily if you aren't careful and I realize everyone on P99 and online forums in general went to "elf law school"

Now dude, the thing is...pointing to price speculation of -any- item on Classic isn't a ~~~bad comparison~~~ because I'm not talking about the quality of the particular item at all...I'm talking about the plat speculation itself. Everyone tried to sit on Rubi and was saying it would sell for xyz amount and its like dude....no, it wont. And it didn't.

I never compared the POWERRRRR OF THE MANASTONE to a Rubi BP. Never did that once.

The point is not the item, the point is price speculation when really nobody knows absolute shit about what is going to happen on this box. Will items be /list in Kunark? Yes. Did we know that in the fall? No. Can we guess what items maaaaay be /list in Kunark? Yes. Do we know? Absolutely fucking not. Nobody knows shit dude.

And one thing I find particularly frustrating is the pot-calling-the-kettle-black shit. ~I'm~ incorrigible? Am I incorrigible, or am I the only person who isn't "afraid" to call you out on your bullshit?

I "refuse to accept numbers-backed-facts" and "push silly ideas" like the DKP/plat idea?

Dude...there is a numbers-based fact right here. 200k plat is ~~~a ton of fucking money~~~. People who stack that much plat....get it because they don't pay top dollar for shit. They hustle and lowball and screw people and are unbelievably cheap Scrooge McDuck type characters. Velious is due to be out in less than a year. Tons of awesome items are coming out. If you have 200k plat banked you are Scrooge McDuck. You're not gonna drop that much raw plat on a Mannastone. Ever.

DKP or Plat. Invest your time getting your raid attendance and doing dumb shit camping greens for DKP, or go farm plat. Time in a day is limited, even for people who spend their entire life on EQ. Not a "silly" idea at all.

Sure there are people who have DKP and plat. They are, in fact, statistically, numbers-based......~~~the vast minority of players on this server~~~

In how many months of manastone farming plus the period of time of teal and green running concurrently how many Manastones are on this box? Hundreds? Now, numbers-based-facts ------ what if I told you there are more mannastones than people with fucking huge piles of plat?????? You ever consider that??? And, of the people with huge piles of plat..........how many already have a Manastone? Or multiple???

You ever hear the conversations of people in your guild, or any guild on this server, any given one ------------- about how fucking broke everyone is????????? Its a pretty popular topic of discussion man.

Idk man, really you're the one who can't pull your head out of your ass. I called you out in the fall for being ridiculous for wanting 200k for a Mannastone and here we are, eight months later. Its just comical dude idk, I'm not even "mad" its just hilarious.

And here you are, again, acting like I don't know what I'm talking about - or anyone else for that matter. Not even gonna let it slide dude, sorry.

[cd288]

This is a great comment T. I’d caveat that could manastones get to 200k eventually? Sure. But I doubt that happens anytime before we are well into Velious. As you note, people are going to be using that pile of plat they have on Kunark and Velious items. If they then re-farm 200k and the server is so inflated that it’s not as much as it is today, then sure a manastone could go for that much. But 200k right now for an item that isn’t really that great? Nah

[Fammaden]

Yeah you guys have the right of it. The time when legacy items are going to be worth big money is when the server merges to blue. But the people I've met on green who are the biggest loudmouths about their MS/rubi investments tend to be more shortsighted and think they will sell during Kunark. They also don't usually have much existing investment in the blue server anyway or have a ton of plans on their post-green game if they even make it that long term. I'm sure there are more quiet and reserved plat millionaires out there who are just sitting on this stuff, and they don't spam the forums about it obviously.

But if you're OP and over half your forum/discord identity has been selling absurdly priced manastones, then you have to dig your heels in not turn around and admit that your price tag was always contrived bullshit.

[Waedawen]

P.S. I got plat AND manastone(s) AND I got DKP-loots. Imagine that? Greed/envy/fear clouds your mind mmmmm make an accurate prediction you cannot mmmm.

i honestly can not believe someone actually says shit like this. dude you're a total fucking goober. your entire schtick is "How much this one item will be worth" when actually when kunark and velious come out it's going to be worthless to anyone who isn't a drooling retard. Anyone who ISN'T a drooling retard understands that a manastone is totally fucking useless. So useless, in fact, there are people who actively avoided camping one and spent their time doing other stuff.

so really the reason why so many [SO FUCKING MANY] people make fun of you for being a total doofus is because the entire line falls down to "how much is some baboon going to pay for a (useless) mana stone 2 years later, also that same baboon needs to be willing to spend a crazy amount of money"

I don't think they're all wrong and you're secretly right. I think you've been wrong about every single stupid fucking ForumQuest you make. I think you're trying to impose this 'persona' of being 'smart' when in reality you're a total monkey.

You have absolutely no fucking clue what people are actually holding in their bags. There are very few people who are extremely wealthy (I'm one of them and you don't even know who I am) and then there are a vast majority of people who balk at spending more than 2k on one item. And all of this is BEFORE the difference between "item rich" versus "coin rich."

Stop the madness, please. You're not smart. You're not cool. You're not tough. You don't know better than anyone else who has actually seen this shit before. Just stop. Two years. I give you two years. Then you can come back and say "SEE GUYS I TOLD YOU?! 200k!!!!" And you've already used up about 9 months.

Enjoy the wait

[Castle2.0]

Hey what-a-weenie,

If that was my only shtick I wouldn't have the most impressive elf resume on Green. But to speak to your specific points and in light of my work experience as a professional elf I can only say the following because I got a port to catch and a plane to raid.


I can handle things, I'm smart! What's a matter with you?! I'm smart enough to find a way to beat EverQuest!
And I'm tough. I am the first person to solo PoD on Green. Can you get much tougher than that? No, no you cannot. Maybe you've run a 100km trail race. Maybe you've endured 10 years in a foreign, seemingly impenetrable culture mastering a difficult language whilst starting a few successful companies. So what?! Nothing is as tough as PoD solo. NOTHING!


https://i.imgflip.com/4anapx.jpg

And lastly, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. Mr. Anonymous moneybags. I don't wanna know you, or what you do. I don't wanna see you at tunnel, and I don't want you near my camps.

But no hard feelings.

[Waedawen]

OK dude