Most desired classes in raids?

[Miikey722]

Hi all,

Returning player here. I haven’t played since 2001 in Velious...

I remember when I played, I picked a Druid, only to find out that nobody wanted one in groups / raids.

I remember the most desired classes were Cleric and Enchanter. There was never enough of those to go around..

I also remember rogues being in demand since their dps was insane.

After installing the game last night, I made a warrior, but I think I’m regretting my decision. Warriors, while great tanks, will be hard to find raids with as raids only need one warrior tank. Out of 50 people. I think finding 5 man groups as a warrior will be easy though.

So what classes are really desired by guilds for raids besides cleric and enchanter? Someone in ooc told me monk, but there’s a million monks out there (very popular class) and raids only need one puller.

I think same for Bards too? Needed, but you only need one..

What are some classes that guilds go crazy over if they get a high level app?

[ldgo86]

beside cleric? More rogues always good

[ChooChoo Train]

Every class played competently is a large asset to any raid. That being said Tanks, Clerics, pullers, wizards are extremely desirable in ALL raids.

[kjs86z]

Play whatever you want....also you're mistaken about only needing 1 of any particular class.

[Baler]

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[Jimjam]

Raids are generally happy to have a good line up of warriors. Damage spikes happen, defensive runs out of time, tank switches fail so it is good to have spare.

Some fights, basically when there aren't much AoE and too many warriors, they even get to unleash very respectable DPS with berserk and precision.

Hell, on AoE fights sometimes the more fragile DPS will die early on but the warriors will get to keep chopping away for longer.

Just because your warrior might not end up being the guild's super star tank doesn't mean it is a wasted option. I say this as someone who has played several scrub warriors, and enjoyed all of them.

If you are dead against your warrior, rogue and cleric are always in demand too, as Baler says.

[ChooChoo Train]

Wizard > rogue

[rewinder47]

It seems to me that many raiding guilds will take anyone as long as they are competent.

If what you want are sweet loots, you would honestly be better off playing a less popular class. Paladins and rangers have almost no competition. To a lesser extent, shadowknights, rogues and wizards will be easy to gear too.

[Baler]

Don't come crying to us when your raid wipes because two dozen non cleric/rogues show up and fumble around the mob.
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Don't come crying to us when your raid doesn't have enough cleric CH chain or rogue dps and wipes.

Only need a few good tanks.
two maybe three shaman
one or two enchanters
one paladin to swap to rogue after buffing
one or two rangers if speed bump is needed else they swap to rogue
one necro is arguably worth being there for twitches
one druid for buffing then swap to rogue or spot heal
one or two bards, tank group songs or cleric mana songs
enough monks/sk for pulling, then sk should swap to rogue

This means,.. roll a cleric or rogue as they are in unlimited desire.
Even if most of the classes listed above don't show up, with one good tank, clerics and rogues. You can down targets.

so the thing about wizard. Classic & Kunark dragons.. you can nuke them down with enough wizards. Come Velious rogues out dps them.

[Miikey722]

Thanks for the responses everyone. Very insightful for helping me make my big decision.

I’m interested in making a rogue, but I do have a question.

On the Daybreak forums, rogues are generally considered to be the worst class in the game for classic EQ? Is this because the classic EQ per Daybreak is different from the project 1999 classic EQ? Balances changes?

[ajdes]

Thanks for the responses everyone. Very insightful for helping me make my big decision.

I’m interested in making a rogue, but I do have a question.

On the Daybreak forums, rogues are generally considered to be the worst class in the game for classic EQ? Is this because the classic EQ per Daybreak is different from the project 1999 classic EQ? Balances changes?

All melee classes are bad in classic. They get much better in kunark with better weapons, discs, weapon skills, longer fights, etc.

[ChooChoo Train]

Wizard > Rogue even in velious, do you think every rogue on the server is going to have ST/Doze/tunare daggers with stacked AoB? Wizards also help mobilize a raid, the only encounter I can see wanting rogue over wizard is maybe trak, bc they can just hide/sneak all the way to the lair? I think you are severely over estimating rogue DPS out of a handful select rogues on the server and Severely Underestimating wizards DPS due to them not showing up on melee parses.

[Baler]

ChooChoo Train
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 107

You're either trolling or have never played a rogue at a raid in velious.
Your miss information is dangerous to anyone who may come across this thread in the future.

Wizards have a mana pool, they cast their nukes and then have to sit meditating.
Rogues are constant dps with epic+offhand, they out dps wizards in velious easily without absurd high end raid weapons. First hand experience talking here.

Raid targets in velious have more health than classic and kunark. As I've already stated wizard in classic and kunark are nice for this reason. The lower life raid targets in classic and kunark can be nuked down by a group of wizards. But come velious, they take a serious back seat to rogues. But of course im not saying classic/kunark raid targets disappear, they're still around for wizards to nuke in velious. Velious raid targets rogues win the dps race. EVERY, TIME.

[Ennewi]

Don't come crying to us when your raid wipes because two dozen non cleric/rogues show up and fumble around the mob.
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Don't come crying to us when your raid doesn't have enough cleric CH chain or rogue dps and wipes.

Only need a few good tanks.
two maybe three shaman
one or two enchanters
one paladin to swap to rogue after buffing
one or two rangers if speed bump is needed else they swap to rogue
one necro is arguably worth being there for twitches
one druid for buffing then swap to rogue or spot heal
one or two bards, tank group songs or cleric mana songs
enough monks/sk for pulling, then sk should swap to rogue

This means,.. roll a cleric or rogue as they are in unlimited desire.
Even if most of the classes listed above don't show up, with one good tank, clerics and rogues. You can down targets.

so the thing about wizard. Classic & Kunark dragons.. you can nuke them down with enough wizards. Come Velious rogues out dps them.

You're not wrong, Walter...

[7thGate]

This depends. On targets where wizards can Bane nuke, they're often going to beat out Rogues unless the rogues are running top end ToV gear. Out of the two times I've killed Lord Vyemm, wizard came in top DPS and 2nd. I beat the two wizards on a recent Vindicator kill by under 5% when I got a bunch of lucky backstabs and hit top DPS for the kill. Bane nukes are no joke.

[turbosilk]

beside cleric? More rogues always good

Maybe on blue. On green you'd want more dps.

[ChooChoo Train]

Wizards oft die and/or don’t report their parses, without primals and TOV/tunare weapons wizards are gonna out DPS rogues even in velious. I think a lot of you guys come from blue when every rogue is geared to the gills and don’t realize how good wizards really are.

[turbosilk]

The gear doesn't exist in classic and is too rare in Kunark if you are looking to be top dps as a rogue.

[Fammaden]

ITT: lots of green caster-mains desperate to rewrite their future.

[Videri]

Thanks for the responses everyone. Very insightful for helping me make my big decision.

I’m interested in making a rogue, but I do have a question.

On the Daybreak forums, rogues are generally considered to be the worst class in the game for classic EQ? Is this because the classic EQ per Daybreak is different from the project 1999 classic EQ? Balances changes?

You might feel a little underpowered, but if you make it to 50 before Kunark, and you ding 51 when Kunark drops, you'll quickly become a DPS kingpin. I wouldn't worry about current power level. Everyone knows how this story ends.

[Tywulf]

I had kind of the same conundrum starting on Green. Said screw it, if I get in a raid guild great if not ok too. I did all that the first time through anyhow.

So I rolled a Necro. I'm travelling around, enjoying the sites, killing things I never did on Live for fear of screwing up some obscure faction for later on..

Just pick a class you like and run with it. The game is a lot more fun that way.

The Holy Trinity isn't the only way to get things done, even in Classic.

[magnetaress]

Wizards because they dont suck and dont need their hands held by clerics, druids, shamans, and bards, unlike rogues.

[turbosilk]

ITT: lots of green caster-mains desperate to rewrite their future.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand caster dps owns melee in this timeline and wants to justify his rogue/monk dps.

[turbosilk]

Mage and wiz destroy rogue raid target dps in Kunark as well.

[GnomeCaptain]

Wizard damage completely overwhelms Rogue. My first class on live was Wiz, second was Rogue.

Maybe later when a Rogue has his epic and is getting lucky high-damage double backstabs they can begin to compete with a Wiz.

Wiz damage simply owns Classic and Kunark.

Want to have a smooth raiding experience?
Bring lots of Wizards.

[Man0warr]

Well yeah while every raid target is 32k HP, Wizards are king. Wizards still suck at damage for actual exp grouping in this timeline though.

[turbosilk]

Well yeah while every raid target is 32k HP, Wizards are king. Wizards still suck at damage for actual exp grouping in this timeline though.

My manastone wizard says otherwise.

[Tethler]

My manastone wizard says otherwise.

Good luck using that to level in kunark or in an relevant raids once expansion content drops. It'll be great to replenish mana for your hate port bot though.

Wizards are great dps now, but with all of this "wiz is better than rogue" talk you're pushing, I think you're forgetting how easy rogue epic is to complete. Level 55 for double backstab and epics dropping in late kunark will solidly push rogues ahead of wizards in any type of sustained fight. Sure you can blow you load and drop a trash mob, and then med for 10 mins while the rogue is putting out dps the entire time.

[Ivory]

Since you are starting off fresh...I HIGHLY recommend rogue.

It's the best lower level untwinked class in the game because of pickpocket at level 7. It opens up ability to make hundreds of platinum at level 7, which lets you self-fund getting some decent weapons and armor (thereby blasting you past other classes abilities).

You simply go to cities and pickpocket shields (after you have maxed your pickpocket ability on some lvl 1 gnoll or something in the corner). You might die a little bit (so get some buffer exp).... but the money is very worth it!

Kaladim and freeport shields sell for about 5pp each (and people hunt those guards, so you can usually swing past the cities and pick up a lot of cash fast, since they will be respawned).

Then being able to sneak down to dungeons and get rotting loots let you keep going in terms of moneys and adventure (or let you get your body and get to groups easily).

Rogues are also a bow class with a high bow cap (only 3 classes get that, warrior, ranger, and rogue). Which means if you get a runed oak bow (costs about 100-150pp) , it opens up a LOT of possibility to making more platinum early on (you can bow-kite giants starting as soon as you want....but less painful if you wait till 18-20ish).

You can also bow-kite most things if you need to... especially handy when Kunark comes or if you trying to kill Hadden early or get ancient cyclops alone. As a bow-class you can do this VERY early (earlier level than any other class, such as at level 20 to go camp hadden and get a fishbone earring if you want... just bring a lot of arrows and some sow potions).

As you get higher level then that will drop off in effectiveness for general exping (for EXP, probably good till 40 if you are doing giants).

Wizards can't really do any of this stuff....they have to take a more traditional rout to level and be more careful (along with being super poor from buying all them spells). They also can't leapfrog levels as easily to take down giant targets that the game doesn't want you to be able to kill (like giants to farm money in your early 20's).

[turbosilk]

Good luck using that to level in kunark or in an relevant raids once expansion content drops. It'll be great to replenish mana for your hate port bot though.

Wizards are great dps now, but with all of this "wiz is better than rogue" talk you're pushing, I think you're forgetting how easy rogue epic is to complete. Level 55 for double backstab and epics dropping in late kunark will solidly push rogues ahead of wizards in any type of sustained fight. Sure you can blow you load and drop a trash mob, and then med for 10 mins while the rogue is putting out dps the entire time.

I'm not really concerned about group exp which is easy. I care about raid boss dps.

MS great in the hole and being a wiz it's easy to bind, port, gate to mana up as needed elsewhere just like happens on blue.

[Zeboim]

ITT: lots of green caster-mains desperate to rewrite their future.

Most people with half a brain that are concerned about this are playing casters now and will roll out their ubertwink melee later anyways.

[drackgon]

in order. Monk, cleric, bard