Incorrect Wiki Dates and fighting depression

[Yacoby44]

Hey guys, I have been a part of this community off and on over the years, so I already know what I am basically getting into by posting this, but usually the one or two decent people I hear from sometimes helps to ease the pain.

I unfortunately found out about P99 Green super late (April) and one of the things that pulled me in was the chance for me to loot a Guise of the Deceiver on my dream warrior.

I second guessed myself on if it would be worth it or not to join this late with the goal of looting a legacy item, but after reading the wiki for Green it specifically had May 2020 crossed out and June 2020 filled in for the Temple of Solusek Ro / Legacy item removal date.

I know many of you are going to say that these were just estimates and fair enough, but I used that post as the basis for starting on this game once again and now after dragging some friends and family along I really feel like a complete failure.

I am not trying to make this a sob story, but I know that at least one of the posts responding to this thread will most likely say "There is always next server." or Green 2.0, but unfortunately due to my health (I don't want to get into specifics and get trolled) There is a decent chance I may not be around when the next server comes out.

So basically, this post is not meant to cry, bitch and complain. I just really needed somewhere to vent. Because as sad as it may seem, having a maxed out warrior with a Guise was one of my bucket list dreams to make happen. Now that it is setting in that I most likely will not be able to accomplish that dream in the future, I have kind of fallen into a depression.

At this point, because my friend and sister are getting into the game, now I really feel guilty because I have lost almost all of my motivation to keep playing the game, at least for now. I am sure with time I will eventually get over it, but still I wanted to come here to talk about it because sometimes it makes me feel better.

So basically, I am trying to find things in the future (not super distant) that I can look forward to that might be around the same level of accomplishment as a Guise? Are there any fancy list items coming in Kunark that are comparable?

I really don't know how to feel about this. I am thankful that this free server is here for us to experience classic EQ on, but that date specifically being crossed out and getting, I am sure, a large number of people's hopes up that they still had a chance to loot a legacy item, just for that rug to be pulled out from under us really puts a bad taste in my mouth.

If I would of just found out about the server when most of you did, I would 100% have my goals accomplished. Sometimes in life though, you just get really unlucky I guess.

My poor sister who has been helping me along the way said "Fuck it, make two warriors!" It literally brought a tear to my eye the lengths she would go to see me happy.

So yeah, I am a sad boi. I need something to help numb the pain. Dabs and medication not doing the trick as usual.

I am gonna forget about this stupid mask and come back to loving the game again soon, right guys? I sure hope so.

[loramin]

So basically, this post is not meant to cry, bitch and complain. I just really needed somewhere to vent. Because as sad as it may seem, having a maxed out warrior with a Guise was one of my bucket list dreams to make happen. Now that it is setting in that I most likely will not be able to accomplish that dream in the future, I have kind of fallen into a depression.

I completely get where you're coming from. I was about to go for a manastone (back when it "only" required two days of not sleeping) on Teal, and decided "I can wait one more week" ... and then Teal surprise-merged, but the staff kept /list the same, making manastones into a special giveaway for players that aren't me (and aren't 99% of the server).

It sucks.

At the same time though, it's also important to take a step back. You missed out on a tiny, inconsequential virtual item (in the grand scheme of things). Your warrior can still get an item to shrink themselves, so all you're missing out on is looking like a dark elf, which I promise (I had a Guise on live) gets old really fast.

If you're depressed, I think that's coming from something else inside of you, something you should reflect on and make peace with ... It's not really about your missing out on the ability to look like a dark elf without rolling a dark elf.

[Dolalin]

There will be another (even better) Green 2.0 in two years.

Just concentrate on surviving Covid and you will get your chance :)

[Cen]

I wanted a guised ranger, I got to number 1, and passed out. Never got guise before it went away. Im deleting my ranger and making that name into an Iksar monk, and my new goal is to get my first epic ever, so I chose one of the easiest freaking epics, though it will still be nigh unattainable for someone like me. I can max out characters with ease and quickly, but i'm not good at getting into raids and groups ;D

To be honest, all of the legacy items suck. Read my guide to not giving a crap about legacy :D https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354516

[Yacoby44]

There will be another (even better) Green 2.0 in two years.

Just concentrate on surviving Covid and you will get your chance :)

If you could tell me I would 100% be alive in 2 years, I wouldn't even care. That not being a guarantee is mainly the reason why it hurts as much as it does. That and the wiki containing inaccurate information. (I don't have Covid-19 btw)

@Loramin I always can expect a thoughtful and classy post from this forum user. I really appreciate the kind words my man.

@Cen Read it the day you posted it. It did help, but alas I still crumble beneath the sadness, haha.

[mcoy]

Aren't guises a frequent reward from GM events? Not saying it's likely, but it's still possible for you to get one on your warrior.

-Mcoy

[loramin]

Aren't guises a frequent reward from GM events? Not saying it's likely, but it's still possible for you to get one on your warrior.

-Mcoy

C'mon Mcoy, don't give the man false hope: you and I both know they don't do GM events here ;)

(And when they do, they give out one-use illusion potions and such. Been playing here for over half a decade and I literally can't remember ever hearing about anyone winning a Guise ... and hell, if they did the forums would erupt in cries of "that guy RMTed the staff for it!")

It's lost, perhaps forever for OP ... but again I truly don't think it's worth being depressed over (or at least, not for long).

[Yacoby44]

Yeah, if there is no confirmation about GM events gifting items like Guise, I really don't want to get my hopes up. I'd rather just organically get over it I guess. I for one would love if they had contests of the sort with prizes like no drop legacy items. I totally could understand tradeable items causing a fuss, but I don't see how something like a cosmetic no drop item could hurt if the amount of happiness it brought outweighed the people who will complain about literally anything.

In fact, I think Guise being the one non-obtainable cosmetic item that everyone wants would be the perfect reward for a GM event held a few times a year. Just the thought that "It's possible." would do a lot to help with the sadness attached to missing out on a bucket list dream while also not completely devaluing the item and the time others invested to get it.

Once again, if I would of known that the expected release date for Temple of Solusek Ro / Legacy item removal was going to be May and not June, I would of no lifed on my warrior to get there in time. I know they were not set in stone and were purely estimates, its just the fact that they specifically crossed out May 2020 that makes me feel just a little mislead.

Oh well, it is what it is, as they say!

[ldgo86]

C'mon Mcoy, don't give the man false hope: you and I both know they don't do GM events here ;)

(And when they do, they give out one-use illusion potions and such. Been playing here for over half a decade and I literally can't remember ever hearing about anyone winning a Guise ... and hell, if they did the forums would erupt in cries of "that guy RMTed the staff for it!")

It's lost, perhaps forever for OP ... but again I truly don't think it's worth being depressed over (or at least, not for long). Good luck OP!

Pretty sure someone got one last GM event in WC. It was a Ranger who got it IIRC. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, there was some bamboozling going on at that event :p

Edit: on Blue

[loramin]

Pretty sure someone got one last GM event in WC. It was a Ranger who got it IIRC. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, there was some bamboozling going on at that event :p

Edit: on Blue

Well, I certainly can't claim to have heard about every GM event (and what everyone "won" in them), so I can totally believe that ... although again, just knowing this forum's crowd, if someone did win a guise and posted about it, I'd expect that to "make the news" so to speak (if only from jealous people griping) ;)

But regardless:


GM events are extremely rare here (understandable given that our GMs don't get paid to run them, like the Verant ones did)
even if someone was lucky enough to be on at the rare time/place of such a mythical P99 GM event, there's no guarantee at all that a Guise will be given out in it
even if one is, there will literally be hundreds of other players trying to get it


So I mean, there might be a one in a million chance of getting a Guise through a GM event, but practically speaking you had an extremely low chance of that happening on live, and then an even lower one here.

[Cen]

Pretty sure someone got one last GM event in WC. It was a Ranger who got it IIRC. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, there was some bamboozling going on at that event :p

Edit: on Blue

I mean the story was related to Sirken leaving but they came out and said it was nonsense.

[mcoy]

I knew I had seen one somewhere:

https://youtu.be/di3LQuP6NJY?list=PLXNKXbdPFrXvcYeavm7nGYjgf1ordhQT M&t=185

But it's from 2013 so yeah - not sure of any recent events that had one as a reward... Oh well.

There are other rare but obtainable items - could always try for a https://wiki.project1999.com/Pegasus_Feather_Cloak

-Mcoy

[Yacoby44]

Sirken from what I remember was a pretty nice guy. I think he helped me out with an issue at one point when I first got started.

It is a total long shot winning an item from a GM event, but if they held the events several times a year that would mean more chances and more chances means its possible.

Idk, I am in the very early stages of coping at the moment. Being a nerd who has loved this game his entire life I know that some of you may literally laugh out loud at the thought of some guy crying over pixels, but to some of us, it means a lot more than you can imagine.

Just sucks. Thats all.

[loramin]

Idk, I am in the very early stages of coping at the moment. Being a nerd who has loved this game his entire life I know that some of you may literally laugh out loud at the thought of some guy crying over pixels, but to some of us, it means a lot more than you can imagine.

Just sucks. Thats all.

Here's the thing about "crying over pixels": we all do it, whether we admit it in the forum or not.

EQ is a game that requires you to invest in it. Really, there's just no way to kill that same frog/skeleton/goblin/whatever over and over for hundreds of times unless you buy into the idea that "this world matters" and that your short-term efforts are building towards something of greater consequence.

IMHO all the jokes about these virtual items we lust after "just being pixels" are a reflection of that: we're all laughing at ourselves for wanting a digital 1 or 0 because we're all heavily invested in acquiring that 1/0. But once you recognize that ... once you realize that you created that feeling of investment, and that desire to achieve a goal ... then it frees you up to make a new goal, to get invested in a new way.

Maybe you will never get a Guise, and maybe I will never get a Manastone, but both those were just artificial goals we created for ourselves to have fun. If they stop serving that purpose, it's time to cast them aside and pick new ones that do.

[Cen]

I just want an epic. That would be epic :p

[Bigsham]

if your life goals and bucket lists involve digital items in an elf world you have much bigger problems causing your depression

[strongNpretty]

if your life goals and bucket lists involve digital items in an elf world you have much bigger problems causing your depression

Says a lot about you though.. You come to a mostly positive thread and start throwing shit into the fan. Have some class with your trolling scumbag.

[Gridley]

Well said strongNpretty, I wish we had a thumbs up feature, but this will have to suffice.

[strongNpretty]

Well said strongNpretty, I wish we had a thumbs up feature, but this will have to suffice.

Yeah sorry on behalf of Bigsham, He's a cunt. Carry on ya'll! Yacoby, keep yo'head up man, and just keep on keepin on with what makes you happy!

[Guesty07]

Let it go. Just let it go. Seriously, I say this well aware of the backlash that may erupt but......... this is just a computer game, there are many more important things in life.

[ciksixsx]

First, I hope you are here for a long time and defeat any health issues.

There are some other classy shrink items that are/will be available. My live char, a troll warrior, although born on launch day, never got a guise. I simply didn’t know they were going anywhere. They are not as common or easy to get though.

Amulet of necropotence - skeleton illusion. Laugh every time you proc. Amazing stuff.

Crown of deceit - not sure what era, I believe kunark. Wood elf illusion questable crown. Requires faction to frogs so somewhat rare due to faction grind. Can anyone confirm the era on this?

Again. I hope your health problems improve and you are well.

[Yacoby44]

Yeah sorry on behalf of Bigsham, He's a cunt. Carry on ya'll! Yacoby, keep yo'head up man, and just keep on keepin on with what makes you happy!

Thanks a lot man. Random strangers reaching out to console another human being in need really means a lot. I remember when my ex left me, I thought I would literally never get over her yet here I am today. Hopefully getting over Guise will be just a tad bit easier.

First, I hope you are here for a long time and defeat any health issues.

There are some other classy shrink items that are/will be available. My live char, a troll warrior, although born on launch day, never got a guise. I simply didn’t know they were going anywhere. They are not as common or easy to get though.

Amulet of necropotence - skeleton illusion. Laugh every time you proc. Amazing stuff.

Crown of deceit - not sure what era, I believe kunark. Wood elf illusion questable crown. Requires faction to frogs so somewhat rare due to faction grind. Can anyone confirm the era on this?

Again. I hope your health problems improve and you are well.

This message really meant a lot, more than you know. The odds are definitely stacked against me and barring any medical advances in the very near future, I feel like 2+ years is going to be a long shot.

You never know though, with all this trash RNG, maybe I am bound to get lucky at least once? ;)

[Canelek]

Once shrink pots are back in that will be a help. At the end of the day, those legacy items seemed to be too much of a pain to be worth it. I thought I wanted a guise, but I never even ended up getting on any list despite being here from beginning and having sufficient levels. It was a severe time investment and I heard plenty of horror stories a out folks missing a AFK check after 50+ hours.

There is so much fun to be had, and pixels to gather, but being good to yourself doesn’t always hash with EQ. Best of luck with your well-being. These are troubling times, but there is much to be hopeful for, and good days ahead.

[Morikaidin]

So, maybe a stupid question, but if you want to be a DE warrior so bad why not just roll a native DE warrior?

It won't be min/max. Faction will take a hit. It will be harder to get along than being an ogre with guise....

But isn't that challenge the real fun of the thing? You'll be more unique, one of very few.

And when you've got a corpse run to do, you'll show up as a DE and everyone will be like, "oh shit, I thought he was a barb/ogre/troll" or whatever the min/max fotm is at that point.

Then, if you really want bonus points to take it to the next level, go for the AoN.

BTW, keep your head up. Don't know what has got a grip on you, but there are medical advances every day. You know how that last guy felt when he was #1 on the /list and the patch fell? Well there is a reverse of that... like the guy who got the first polio vaccine.

Pulling for you.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Hey guys, I have been a part of this community off and on over the years, so I already know what I am basically getting into by posting this, but usually the one or two decent people I hear from sometimes helps to ease the pain.

I unfortunately found out about P99 Green super late (April) and one of the things that pulled me in was the chance for me to loot a Guise of the Deceiver on my dream warrior.

I second guessed myself on if it would be worth it or not to join this late with the goal of looting a legacy item, but after reading the wiki for Green it specifically had May 2020 crossed out and June 2020 filled in for the Temple of Solusek Ro / Legacy item removal date.

I know many of you are going to say that these were just estimates and fair enough, but I used that post as the basis for starting on this game once again and now after dragging some friends and family along I really feel like a complete failure.

I am not trying to make this a sob story, but I know that at least one of the posts responding to this thread will most likely say "There is always next server." or Green 2.0, but unfortunately due to my health (I don't want to get into specifics and get trolled) There is a decent chance I may not be around when the next server comes out.

So basically, this post is not meant to cry, bitch and complain. I just really needed somewhere to vent. Because as sad as it may seem, having a maxed out warrior with a Guise was one of my bucket list dreams to make happen. Now that it is setting in that I most likely will not be able to accomplish that dream in the future, I have kind of fallen into a depression.

At this point, because my friend and sister are getting into the game, now I really feel guilty because I have lost almost all of my motivation to keep playing the game, at least for now. I am sure with time I will eventually get over it, but still I wanted to come here to talk about it because sometimes it makes me feel better.

So basically, I am trying to find things in the future (not super distant) that I can look forward to that might be around the same level of accomplishment as a Guise? Are there any fancy list items coming in Kunark that are comparable?

I really don't know how to feel about this. I am thankful that this free server is here for us to experience classic EQ on, but that date specifically being crossed out and getting, I am sure, a large number of people's hopes up that they still had a chance to loot a legacy item, just for that rug to be pulled out from under us really puts a bad taste in my mouth.

If I would of just found out about the server when most of you did, I would 100% have my goals accomplished. Sometimes in life though, you just get really unlucky I guess.

My poor sister who has been helping me along the way said "Fuck it, make two warriors!" It literally brought a tear to my eye the lengths she would go to see me happy.

So yeah, I am a sad boi. I need something to help numb the pain. Dabs and medication not doing the trick as usual.

I am gonna forget about this stupid mask and come back to loving the game again soon, right guys? I sure hope so.

Seriously, who gives a flying F about legacy items? Or for that matter maxing out that fast on Green, woohoo lets grief noobs while level 50 while we wait for Kunark to release in six or nine or twelve months

[Vostok]

Seriously, who gives a flying F about legacy items? Or for that matter maxing out that fast on Green, woohoo lets grief noobs while level 50 while we wait for Kunark to release in six or nine or twelve months

obviously a lot of people do.
so much so they had to invent an entire system to try and automate those camps.

[Bigcountry23]

Aren't guises a frequent reward from GM events? Not saying it's likely, but it's still possible for you to get one on your warrior.

-Mcoy

When was the last time you saw a GM event? They didn't even bother with doing a GM event for this launch (which was historically one of the largest and most celebrated GM events in the early game).

[branamil]

There's a good chance you wouldn't have gotten it even with a June date. I guess it just goes to show you not to place your hopes on unsure things.

[Castle2.0]

Go Dark Elf...

or Iksar...

[Scoojitsu]

Hello Yaboby, I can understand your frustration about the change of dates and hopes of people for legacy items. Couple friends of mine got hit by the same thing. One was lvl 30 with his paladin, getting close.
What level is your warrior? It is probably not too late to roll a dark elf warrior. If that was your dream you should really do it. (unless your dream was about having a mask on a warrior.)
I'm a big fan of the more rare race/class combos. If played well this offsets most racial disadvantages you may have. Exception maybe if you plan to be the raid main tank. But who really has the time to commit to that?
And let's face it, the real deal is always being a dark elf. With the mask you're an ogre whenever you're dead, whenever you zone and every 20 minutes if you don't renew in time.
I'm not sure what your goal is. But if it's being a dark elf warrior I say go for it. It's about enjoying your time in the game.
You have friends and family playing with you? That's really great! So many people just play on their own.
Best of luck to you, Yacoby!

[Atychiphobia]

You can also roll another class that doesn't need legacy items in the same way, like Enchanter or other casters.

Good luck!

[Izmael]

Wait for Kunark and roll an Iksar something. You won't have to regret not having a Guise as Iksars can't have a Guise (other than through a GM event).

You won't have to regret not having Jboots as you will be able to quest the very same Jboots.

You won't have to regret not having a Rubi BP as it will become mule fashion and you will be able to purchase one easily.

You won't have to regret not having a Manastone as you will be able to purchase one, if you really want to.

Alternatively, roll a DE something now.

[mcoy]

When was the last time you saw a GM event? They didn't even bother with doing a GM event for this launch (which was historically one of the largest and most celebrated GM events in the early game).

The last one I can think of was the 10 year anniversary back in October - shortly before Green launched. Enough people attended that WC crashed and people were voicegrafting fish and skeletons and there was a huge conga line. I went to bed before it ended though so no idea what rewards or prizes there were.

-Mcoy

[mcoy]

Looks like one of the rewards was 4 guises:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Players:GM_Events#10_Year_Anniversary_2019

-Mcoy

[strongNpretty]

Let it go. Just let it go. Seriously, I say this well aware of the backlash that may erupt but......... this is just a computer game, there are many more important things in life.

Then why post this?
-Do you have any stories to relate his issues to?

-Do you have any advice, decent advice to give?

-Provide some examples of these more important things in life.. We are all on different journeys.. Maybe your mom and dad are important, maybe it's your kids, or your Sound FX Lightsaber from Hasbro.. But maybe he doesn't have parents, and doesn't have kids, and doesn't like star wars?

-Have you met the Original poster before? Do you know him and his situation in depth? No? That guy says he's staring at a due date on life, And I don't go around life second guessing what people who I don't know, say. It's not worth my energy. Do you Guesty.

Look- All i'm trying to say is- Stfu :) Kthanks

[strongNpretty]

Seriously, who gives a flying F about legacy items? Or for that matter maxing out that fast on Green, woohoo lets grief noobs while level 50 while we wait for Kunark to release in six or nine or twelve months

You input is extremely valuable. Thanks you whore.

[worm4real]

This is a net positive because now your warrior looks much cooler than he would have with the guise.

edit: Unless you were a gnome or something.

[Bigsham]

Let it go. Just let it go. Seriously, I say this well aware of the backlash that may erupt but......... this is just a computer game, there are many more important things in life.

not to this kid he is literally depressed over it

[Yacoby44]

While reading all your replies and getting some insight into the server and their reasons for inaccurate date estimations, rather I agree with it or not, I realize they have a purpose and I am sure do not solely exist to crush the hopes and dreams of the niche group of people who still have a love affair with this 21 year old game.

Its pretty human when I feel stressed to reach out to strangers since I was raised on the internet. I know anytime you post anything publicly you are going to have some small percentage of memeing going on, but usually someone has something insightful and possibly impactful to say.

At this point, after discussion with friends and family, I have decided I still love the game and the possibility of me not ever having a mask on my warrior is one I will have to deal with. I cannot let a cosmetic item control whether or not I get to enjoy the game Brad McQuaid intended us to, even though that is easier said than done in my personal case.

My only hope going forward is that the powers that be possibly consider doing seasonal GM events where at least a handful of people can at least get excited about the possibility of being in the right place at the right time and getting blessed with an EQ treasure. I kind of equate it to that Dumb and Dumber scene when Lloyd was told his chances were one in a million, but instead of getting discouraged he said "So you're saying there's a chance?" Lol, you would be surprised how much the way you perceive things mentally can effect your ability to cope with certain circumstances.

If it has been a long time since there has been a GM event, maybe there are reasons. After all, this is a free to play server so for there to be more GM interaction, they have to have at least some sort of motivation to want to reward us without breaking the server rules.

In my opinion, there has to possibly be some way for the players to make it more appealing or worth the time of the admins to want to log in and interact with the player base and give away prizes.

I have to remind myself that I cannot 100% blame the incorrect wiki date estimations for me not having a mask. I didn't hear about Green because I didn't visit the forums or google Everquest for a very long time and I ended up getting super unlucky because of that.

Thanks for the kind messages guys. It helps more than you know.

[Ivory]

having a maxed out warrior with a Guise was one of my bucket list dreams to make happen.

Oh ho!!

First off, I'm guessing you are an ogre / troll / barbarian... because you are trying to min/max your warrior to be super uber (most likely an ogre out of those to be supreme min/max).

But it isn't just a shrink problem (because, well, you could shrink yourself soon enough with potions and kunark bracer)....which means it is a character problem! You dream of being an ogre strong dark elf!

WELLLL ! Here's what you gotta do....

Reroll as a dark elf.

Why? Because you will have much more fun!!!! Especially if you twink yourself a little (boots of brawn, hero bracer, some other strength stuff and some potions).

How come more fun? Because you have a deep character flaw / drive built into your character!!! You have a passion, a deep overarching desire.... to be a dark elf warrior THAT IS OGRE STRONK!

Make that the focus of your play!! Really lean into it and surpass that goal of an ogre stronk warrior!

Yea, ogres got some really bananas starting stats.... and the no stun from front is neat (but not everything, at all).

Especially if you reach into potion usage (dark elf has a +15 advantage on agility....which means they can use +25 STR, +15 STA, -20 AGI potion... ogres would drop their agility under 70 using those, but dark elves could do it... or use a +15sta, +25 dex, -20 AGI potion if you want to proc more.... again, ogres don't have the option as easily).

You could get your strength and stamina pretty close to an ogres if you wanted.... along with making a lot more money selling and stuff.

Having a character that has a flaw or some deep desire is the most fun type to play... it gives you a motivation to try and overcome. Also dark elves get racial ability to hide (which is pretty handy).

Really, in this game, there is no reason you NEED to be at the very very very top (having 10 more strength means you might hit for 1 or 2 points more damage....). Stressing about 10 stat points here or there won't make or break any situation.... it's WAY more about the player and equipment and exploring other areas (like potions!). You could be max strong with kunark....and even an ogre can't be stronger than max strong.

[mgriff02]

OP, I very much understand your desire to have a warrior with a guise. My main goal at the release of the server was to have a Troll warrior with one, and thanks to my procrastinating I only managed it with about a week to spare. You have my condolences on this.

If I had missed my chance I think I would try to just focus on the opportunities I still had ahead of me. You still have the chance to experience classic EQ, as well as the Kunark and Velious launches. There's lots of fun to be had out there as well as additional removed items you'll have a chance at. Speaking for myself I'm gonna get an SK with a prenerf Circlet of Shadows and enjoy the hell out of it.

[BlackBellamy]

but usually someone has something insightful and possibly impactful to say.



Yes, totally and allow me.

Your priorities are out of whack. Your bucket list is a dream warrior with a guise and now you're depressed where you feel like a total failure and you're posting in a public forum known for venomous snakes like me who run amok until some genteel soul with a very homoerotic avatar calls them a whore? And you feel it's worth it to read pages of triggering garbage in the hopes of finding some insightful advice? I mean yeah congratulations you made it in this case but c'mon.

I would suggest to you that maybe as someone that is susceptible to depression you're not fit to make very specific yet trivial goals. For important life events, yeah I mean you have to. But for things that aren't life and death, I think your goals should be more broad, like "I'm going to trio with my friends and we'll level together and have some fun." Because that's an easy win. But when you fail to get that one specific thing you fixate on, that can be bad for you and it doesn't even mean anything for real. It's just some trivial shit but if you make it your quest and you fail you might find yourself not strong enough to deal. Take Scarface for example. Now here is a guy with a simple plan. "You get the money, you get the power, then when you get the power then you get the woman." He's not hung up on a specific dollar amount, he's not like and she's gotta be a hot Asian chick with big breasts and a guise. No, he's keeping it simple. Why? Because he's got a complicated life and he doesn't need distractions on the road to success. Remember Scarface failed because he stopped following his simple formula for success and made things real complicated with the Colombians. You can learn a lot from Scarface, when I explain it.

Now having changed your life and set you straight (You're welcome!) I would point out to you that we have a specific section for narcissistic depressives who cry in pixels ("The Rants") and are then given encouragement by the wise ("The Flames").

[Indecisive]

Hey OP, I understand where you're coming from. I can't comment on your health issues, but I hope you're with us for a long time and are able to overcome whatever's ailing you.

While nobody outside of a GM can give you a Guise at this point, that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other goals to set for yourself. Depending on how much time you want to put into the game, you could achieve something even better than a Guise - your Warrior class epic. It's one of the harder ones to acquire, and far more rare than a Dark Elf clicky mask. Who doesn't want a lightsaber? And you get two of them!

But more than anything, the real highlight of this game has never been the pixels, but the people you play with along the way. I know it stings right now, but if we got everything we want in this game, we wouldn't appreciate anything we have. So chin up, make some friends, kill some orcs, and enjoy the time you've got with the people who make you smile.

P.S., don't let the forum chucklefucks get you down. They're miserable and just want company.

[BlackBellamy]

Literally the opposite advice. See what I mean?

I tell you one of the only sensible things on this thread. Take it easy, set more achievable goals, don't set yourself up for failure if you're already stressed and prone to depression.

The very next guy after me tells you oh yeah just go get the warrior epic "It's one of the harder ones to acquire." Far more rare than the Guise! I bet you'll feel real great when you follow that advice and bottleneck on the Red Dragon Scales. Chin up!

Now do you see why this is a bad idea? Because sensible advice like mine is boring. Set smaller goals he says. Oh just play for fun he says. But then you get a post about twin lightsabers and now you have them in your mind, you start thinking yeah that could be my replacement goal, I could do that. That's exciting! Right? I bet right this very second you're reading this and considering that yeah, I have a chance at the epic, I could make it happen.

If you have an option for therapy, take it. You'll get a guy who wants you to achieve your goals, not people throwing out the things they would do. If you don't have that option, listen only to me.

[Timmytoga]

Literally the opposite advice. See what I mean?

I tell you one of the only sensible things on this thread. Take it easy, set more achievable goals, don't set yourself up for failure if you're already stressed and prone to depression.

The very next guy after me tells you oh yeah just go get the warrior epic "It's one of the harder ones to acquire." Far more rare than the Guise! I bet you'll feel real great when you follow that advice and bottleneck on the Red Dragon Scales. Chin up!

Now do you see why this is a bad idea? Because sensible advice like mine is boring. Set smaller goals he says. Oh just play for fun he says. But then you get a post about twin lightsabers and now you have them in your mind, you start thinking yeah that could be my replacement goal, I could do that. That's exciting! Right? I bet right this very second you're reading this and considering that yeah, I have a chance at the epic, I could make it happen.

If you have an option for therapy, take it. You'll get a guy who wants you to achieve your goals, not people throwing out the things they would do. If you don't have that option, listen only to me.

This is actually the correct advice.

[bluntfang]

Yes, totally and allow me.

Your priorities are out of whack. Your bucket list is a dream warrior with a guise and now you're depressed where you feel like a total failure and you're posting in a public forum known for venomous snakes like me who run amok until some genteel soul with a very homoerotic avatar calls them a whore? And you feel it's worth it to read pages of triggering garbage in the hopes of finding some insightful advice? I mean yeah congratulations you made it in this case but c'mon.

I would suggest to you that maybe as someone that is susceptible to depression you're not fit to make very specific yet trivial goals. For important life events, yeah I mean you have to. But for things that aren't life and death, I think your goals should be more broad, like "I'm going to trio with my friends and we'll level together and have some fun." Because that's an easy win. But when you fail to get that one specific thing you fixate on, that can be bad for you and it doesn't even mean anything for real. It's just some trivial shit but if you make it your quest and you fail you might find yourself not strong enough to deal. Take Scarface for example. Now here is a guy with a simple plan. "You get the money, you get the power, then when you get the power then you get the woman." He's not hung up on a specific dollar amount, he's not like and she's gotta be a hot Asian chick with big breasts and a guise. No, he's keeping it simple. Why? Because he's got a complicated life and he doesn't need distractions on the road to success. Remember Scarface failed because he stopped following his simple formula for success and made things real complicated with the Colombians. You can learn a lot from Scarface, when I explain it.

Now having changed your life and set you straight (You're welcome!) I would point out to you that we have a specific section for narcissistic depressives who cry in pixels ("The Rants") and are then given encouragement by the wise ("The Flames").

I think you bring up a really good point. Why are the GMs/forum mods allowing this behavior on the forums outside the RnF board?

The answer is obvious, though. they don't care about your health, mental or physical. They promote game design that supports unhealthy and potentially deadly behavior (See chinese and koreans dying at video game cafes). You know what they could do? Just don't ever include these items in the game. There's a reason the original GMs took them out/nerfed them and it's because that's not the game they wanted. They make changes that GMs would have otherwise made if people were exploiting (red wood wand) in the name of classic intention, yet let these broken items exist that honestly were probably just bugs that slipped passed QA.

[douglas1999]

I think you bring up a really good point. Why are the GMs/forum mods allowing this behavior on the forums outside the RnF board?

The answer is obvious, though. they don't care about your health, mental or physical. They promote game design that supports unhealthy and potentially deadly behavior (See chinese and koreans dying at video game cafes). You know what they could do? Just don't ever include these items in the game. There's a reason the original GMs took them out/nerfed them and it's because that's not the game they wanted. They make changes that GMs would have otherwise made if people were exploiting (red wood wand) in the name of classic intention, yet let these broken items exist that honestly were probably just bugs that slipped passed QA.

This is a bit drastic. It's not an indictment of the game design if people are potentially putting themselves in physical danger to play the game, it's an indictment of the people doing it. Encouraging somewhat of a healthy detachment from these things, which many people itt have been doing is a far saner and productive trajectory imo.

That being said I can totally sympathize with the op and obviously want them to be okay and get their head straight however they can if they're in a bad place.

The p99 devs precisely *do* care about players' mental health, that's the whole reason the list system was created. Allowing sealteam to cockblock the entire server until they stop dropping would be a lot worse for a lot of people's mental health. You might argue they only created it to decrease CSR tickets but how do you know?? I'm going to take them at their stated intention before I pretend to read their minds.

[bluntfang]

This is a bit drastic. It's not an indictment of the game design if people are potentially putting themselves in physical danger to play the game, it's an indictment of the people doing it.

So I'm just curious what your opinion is....those kids that died in video game cafes...the owner/management of those cafes weren't responsible at all?

[Bigsham]

While reading all your replies and getting some insight into the server and their reasons for inaccurate date estimations, rather I agree with it or not, I realize they have a purpose and I am sure do not solely exist to crush the hopes and dreams of the niche group of people who still have a love affair with this 21 year old game.

Its pretty human when I feel stressed to reach out to strangers since I was raised on the internet. I know anytime you post anything publicly you are going to have some small percentage of memeing going on, but usually someone has something insightful and possibly impactful to say.

At this point, after discussion with friends and family, I have decided I still love the game and the possibility of me not ever having a mask on my warrior is one I will have to deal with. I cannot let a cosmetic item control whether or not I get to enjoy the game Brad McQuaid intended us to, even though that is easier said than done in my personal case.

My only hope going forward is that the powers that be possibly consider doing seasonal GM events where at least a handful of people can at least get excited about the possibility of being in the right place at the right time and getting blessed with an EQ treasure. I kind of equate it to that Dumb and Dumber scene when Lloyd was told his chances were one in a million, but instead of getting discouraged he said "So you're saying there's a chance?" Lol, you would be surprised how much the way you perceive things mentally can effect your ability to cope with certain circumstances.

If it has been a long time since there has been a GM event, maybe there are reasons. After all, this is a free to play server so for there to be more GM interaction, they have to have at least some sort of motivation to want to reward us without breaking the server rules.

In my opinion, there has to possibly be some way for the players to make it more appealing or worth the time of the admins to want to log in and interact with the player base and give away prizes.

I have to remind myself that I cannot 100% blame the incorrect wiki date estimations for me not having a mask. I didn't hear about Green because I didn't visit the forums or google Everquest for a very long time and I ended up getting super unlucky because of that.

Thanks for the kind messages guys. It helps more than you know.

This is exactly why you need to completely quit all online gaming and social media and go get a life

[Man0warr]

So I'm just curious what your opinion is....those kids that died in video game cafes...the owner/management of those cafes weren't responsible at all?

Bad analogy. It would be more analogous to compare the P99 Devs/staff to the devs/CSR of the game those kids are playing in the cafes. The P99 staff can't interact with these people physically, and it's not their business to police their physical well being. The people playing are adults and/or hopefully kids with their parents consent. There are way worse things people can do to themselves in the privacy of their own home than camp a manastone for 48 hours in a row.

[douglas1999]

So I'm just curious what your opinion is....those kids that died in video game cafes...the owner/management of those cafes weren't responsible at all?

Not any more than RedBull is responsible for people who die in wingsuiting accidents, no.

[douglas1999]

I mean look at GDQ guys. You think people who can speedrun super metroid blindfolded didn't risk their mental and physical health to be able to do that? Is that Nintendo's fault? You have to take these things to their logical conclusions, it's easy to get emotionally hijacked when somebody is saying they are depressed from a game. And it's not easy to tactfully find a way to suggest it's not the game's fault, but it's still what you should do.

[Asher]

I started enjoying this game a lot more when I pretended that Manastone didnt exist.

[phr0stbyt3]

Not any more than RedBull is responsible for people who die in wingsuiting accidents, no.

Or car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths

...or gun manufacturers for gun deaths...

[Meiva]

I started enjoying this game a lot more when I pretended that Manastone didnt exist.

This is the truth lol.

But why remove legacy items in the first place? So silly to me. Nothing game breaking. Mask lets fat races move around in dungeons. BP has regen, but it aint a fungi. Manastone doesn't progress with us in to Kunark, and it gets nerfed to no longer work in Planes. Yes I know there some gating to classic zones shenanigans, but who cares.

The only legacy item I feel makes sence is Lustruous Russet. It was created as a Warrior set. The designers commented in the patch notes from 1999 that it was never intended to be wearable by ALL plate and mail classes. It is a set that is very highly tuned for some of those classes..

[Bigsham]

Why ? people play here to experience content they never got a chance to on live ( For the most part )

i play a vanilla wow server and most that come to play on the server never saw naxx

People want a manastone because they never had one on live, and its truly an amazing item.

[bluntfang]

Not any more than RedBull is responsible for people who die in wingsuiting accidents, no.

So very responsible? If red bull didn't pay their way, they wouldn't have died doing it.

Or car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths

...or gun manufacturers for gun deaths...

if car manufacturers made alcohol checks mandatory, I bet we'd see a drop in drunk driving deaths. If gun manufacturers stopped making guns, I bet no one would die from gun.

I also think there's a difference in *enabling* behavior and someone using a product against its intentions. Enabling players to wait 72+hours and be awake the whole time is bad. Devs can make a system that doesn't enable that.

[gnomishfirework]

You could just make a dark elf if thats what you want.

Cobalt bracer is better for warriors anyway. Guise is crap item. You lose your racial bonuses while using it. It wasn't worth camping in april. It was over 30 hours often for folks. You are better off, friend.

[Cen]

You could just make a dark elf if thats what you want.

Cobalt bracer is better for warriors anyway. Guise is crap item. You lose your racial bonuses while using it. It wasn't worth camping in april. It was over 30 hours often for folks. You are better off, friend.

You don't lose Frontal Stun Immunity or Regen, as those are Racial modifiers, but Slam is Visualrace mod, so it goes away when losing your big form... but Warriors have kick, so its good for warriors.

[Yacoby44]

To respond specifically to BlackBellamy and any of those who don't have my point of view.

While I appreciate your advice and attempt at getting my head in the right place, unfortunately for some people like myself games like EverQuest are one of my only sources of happiness and motivation in my life due to the situation I am in.

I brought up my physical health specifically for one reason and that was to clarify why I didn't just chalk this up as an unlucky experience and just hold out a couple of years for the next server. Unfortunately due to my disease, my chances at getting to see the launch of Green 2.0 are not very good. I didn't post this solely to cry and get sympathy tears believe it or not. In fact, even with my circumstances, I rarely get truly depressed lately. Call it what you like, but not getting a Guise before Legacy item removal is one of the rare occurrences that really knocked the wind out of me.



I had my warrior epic pre-Luclin on live. The whole reason I am depressed about the mask is because the item has been discontinued. Like I pointed out previously, a lot of this pixel obsession is in our head and is linked in large part to how we perceive it.

I understand getting an epic on this server is something not everyone is going to experience, but the fact that the item is "still obtainable" lets my brain stop obsessing over obtaining it. Precisely why I was not obsessed with a manastone, because I know that obtaining one is at the very least possible even after legacy item removal.

I know GM events are a long shot for anyone involved, but just knowing that there could be a possibility of GM events happening throughout the year, no matter how slim the chance, helps to allow my brain to focus on other things.

So at this point, the best I can do if I want to hold onto this dream of mine, while also not focusing on it so much that it takes away from my ability to enjoy the game with friends and family, is to campaign for GM events.

I still stand by the idea, being that this is a free to play project, maybe the reason why there has not been GM events recently is because the administration for any myriad of reasons lacks the desire or motivation to interact with and reward the players. Personally, rather than just give up and assume it may never happen, I would rather try to work with the powers that be to see what we have to do as players to increase GM interaction and special events by showing them that we are invested in the server and the community.

We don't know Project 1999's situation. We don't know how well donations are doing. For all we know there is a possibility that a lot of the infrastructure for this server may still come out of pocket. Regardless, I am doing my best to stay positive, move forward with the game as best I can while also not completely giving up on my basically lifelong EverQuest goals.



TL;DR: I am too sick to go "get a life". EverQuest is one of, if not my favorite game of all time. One of the only things I always wanted to do on this game was to have a Guise of the Deceiver on my warrior. It is the main reason I decided to come back and play the Classic era on Green. I understand and apologize if the thought of a grown man having obtaining a cosmetic item from a 21 year old game on his bucket list makes you cringe, but as they say, it is what it is.

[aaezil]

What im about to tell you may completely blow your mind...

Ready???


Dark elves can be warriors...

[Timmytoga]

TL;DR: I am too sick to go "get a life". EverQuest is one of, if not my favorite game of all time. One of the only things I always wanted to do on this game was to have a Guise of the Deceiver on my warrior. It is the main reason I decided to come back and play the Classic era on Green. I understand and apologize if the thought of a grown man having obtaining a cosmetic item from a 21 year old game on his bucket list makes you cringe, but as they say, it is what it is.

So what are you gonna do? You gonna continue to play on Green even though the guise was removed?