Video: Why Red Wood Wands Got Nerfed (#1 DPS Character Serverwide)

[Castle2.0]

https://streamable.com/ftle4

~25,000 dmg within the span of a few minutes

Just one reason. For raid targets, you'll need to talk to certain guilds that did that.

P.S. Red Wood Wands needed to be nerfed - I woulda nerfed them differently, but it's good for the server they won't be used to trivialize raid targets

[Ivory]

They coulda just gone with a casting time to make it useful, but not super bananas for high end content....

[Castle2.0]

They did what I call a "Zero Value" nerf. The item now has Zero (or near-zero) Value. It's equivalent to as retroactively removing all instances of the item from the game and it no longer dropping. The only difference is the optics - you get to keep your useless wands and take up invo space with them.

Disable use on raid targets, and give it a 1-2 second cast time. Another interesting option is making it lore. In either case, it wouldn't be a total loss for someone with wands. But as it stands - total loss.

At least I got video proof of being #1 DPS character serverwide... it was worth it =D

[deadlycupcakez]

how much were they recharging for?

[Castle2.0]

Cost ~5pp per wand to recharge.

The above kite would have cost ~100pp, not including plat made from loot.

[Fammaden]

At least I got video proof of being #1 DPS character serverwide... it was worth it =D

SamDeathwalker, is that you?

[Octopath]

This is where I hunted 40-50. During that span I made about 2k in abu kar box sales and I have another 8 boxes spread across lvl 1 alts. This is after recharge recoup.

[Castle2.0]

Don't mention that Octo. This was the super secret info you were gonna sell along with your wands :D

[Octopath]

It was a relatively secret spot as I never had issue with sharing the camp with another player. Knowing that spot was the difference in me actually using the wands to lvl up and just selling them out of frustration.

[Jibartik]

This is classic everquest good job guys!

Sad to see this powerful magic go, it's just like that movie Onward. Oh well, off to the mindless grind and unicorns eating trash we go. :o

[DisbeAsos]

SamDeathwalker, is that you?

Lol, I was talking about that guy a few weeks ago but couldn't remember the name. Hes the one that had 5 or 6 Wiz all hooked up to 1 keyboard and mouse right? So basically 5 nukes at the same time each cast...

[damus1]

I leveled my warrior to 50 on seafuries with a druid bound there doing the recharges elsewhere.

Goodbye sweet wands, you will not be soon forgotten </3

[sedrie.bellamie]

Just one reason. For raid targets, you'll need to talk to certain guilds that did that.




that reason; black lotus doesnt get raid mobs

[Relbaic]

that reason; black lotus doesnt get raid mobs

I dunno, we had a pretty good weekend. Something like 6/9?

[ChooChoo Train]

They did what I call a "Zero Value" nerf. The item now has Zero (or near-zero) Value. It's equivalent to as retroactively removing all instances of the item from the game and it no longer dropping. The only difference is the optics - you get to keep your useless wands and take up invo space with them.

Disable use on raid targets, and give it a 1-2 second cast time. Another interesting option is making it lore. In either case, it wouldn't be a total loss for someone with wands. But as it stands - total loss.

At least I got video proof of being #1 DPS character serverwide... it was worth it =D

https://wiki.project1999.com/Supernova
A wizard casting this on 25 mobs does 21,350dmg in 6.3seconds and over 100k dmg in 1minute.

[Castle2.0]

Looking to that video of a solo wizard pulling 25 of the same mob level (hp/resist etc) and doing that 100k in a minute ;)

There are ~25 guards, so you can totally give it a shot ;)

[ChooChoo Train]

Oh now we are talking solo on the same mob/level as your woodelves huh, well a bard easily can do 2,500 per tic solo or 25,000per minute.

[ChooChoo Train]

So you should be #1 solo clickie DPS on woodelf guards in Gfay :)
A wizard nuking a single mob with ice comet is over 10k damage per minute, 30k in 3 minutes.

[Bigsham]

Jesus christ this was amazing, i wonder who mannastone was on red?

A+ Music and strats, good for you bro

[Vizax_Xaziv]

They HAD to go. Even if we ignore the trivializing of raid mobs people were gonna use them to power level to 60 the night Kunark came out giving a...certain subset....of individuals an undeserved advantage.

Next step should be an experience rollback of all toons leveled using this EXPLOIT!

[Arvan]

Glad people are going to start playing everqueste again instead of just solo clicking redwands

[Castle2.0]

Theorycraft all ya want bro, I actually did it.

Oh now we are talking solo on the same mob/level as your woodelves huh, well a bard easily can do 2,500 per tic solo or 25,000per minute.
PS. your theoryquest aint even right.. You shoulda done your math, or if your British do your maths, that's okay too. Bard at 50 aint hitting 100/hp tic per mob PBAE. level 2 + level 18 song with best instrumets in classic is 70 dmg/tic and with 66% nerf to DoTs while moving thats ~45 dmg/tic, or half of you claim, which is (~11,250) still short of what I did ;)

Also, that is assuming the bard gets 0 resists and executes perfectly.

So you should be #1 solo clickie DPS on woodelf guards in Gfay
A wizard nuking a single mob with ice comet is over 10k damage per minute, 30k in 3 minutes. Bard does more and it's still short.

My 25,000 projection is a conservative estimate.

How much did I actually do in 2 minutes from start of first cast to last end of last cast?

The level 38-42 guards have ~3500 hp according to wiki. Killing 8 of them was ~28,000 actual damage. That's 14,000 per minute, or 233 DPS.

Looking forward to your videos of your bard and wizard for second/third place. As it stands, I'm 1st place solo DPS and got the video to prove it ;)

[Fammaden]

The only award you win is being the most cringe individual on the p99 forum. Which is a pretty big achievement to be fair.

[ChooChoo Train]

Theorycraft all ya want bro, I actually did it.


PS. your theoryquest aint even right.. You shoulda done your math, or if your British do your maths, that's okay too. Bard at 50 aint hitting 100/hp tic per mob PBAE. level 2 + level 18 song with best instrumets in classic is 70 dmg/tic and with 66% nerf to DoTs while moving thats ~45 dmg/tic, or half of you claim, which is (~11,250) still short of what I did ;)

Also, that is assuming the bard gets 0 resists and executes perfectly.

Bard does more and it's still short.

My 25,000 projection is a conservative estimate.

How much did I actually do in 2 minutes from start of first cast to last end of last cast?

The level 38-42 guards have ~3500 hp according to wiki. Killing 8 of them was ~28,000 actual damage. That's 14,000 per minute, or 233 DPS.

Looking forward to your videos of your bard and wizard for second/third place. As it stands, I'm 1st place solo DPS and got the video to prove it ;)

Pbaoes do full dmg and your forgetting about bards third dot at lvl 48. They very easily hit 100hp per tic. and congrats you can wand down woodelf guards that required zero skill. And your first nuke to last kill was over 2.5 mins lol

PS I’ve seen people wand more woodelves to death at once so they beat you too

[Lostfaction]

Woke up to a discord message from OP here attempting to rip off someone unaware of nerf and pricing adjustments. No respect.

[Castle2.0]

Question 1: When 1 of 25 guards resists your 48 DoT.. do you


A. Keep running ahead of him and retry on all 25 after 1-2 tics when it wears off the other guards?
B. Let him hit/bash/stun on you as you stay in range of the other 24 guards that will 1-2 round you, so you can hit them with next DoT?


Correct Answer: A

Question 2: How many times out of 10, are you going to land your 48 DoT on 25 of 25 mobs?

Correct Answer: 1-3 out of 10 if you're lucky

Question 3: How will that impact your DPS calculation?

Correct Answer: Worse than just twisting level 2 + level 18. You just don't use the 48 when swarming unless you plan to tank it - 1 mob ruins that pulse if you plan to use any other DoTs. Hence, the numbers I provided. The DoT nerf applies to PBAE DoTs - can you show otherwise? - and even if not, you'd only be 71dmg/tic if you win 500 out of 500 resist rolls. Good luck!

You're theorycrafts are ignorant and overly optimistic.

When you got video proof (bard, wiz, others, whatever), feel free to post it. I've also done more DPS (DPS you saw others do + 1, to be exact) - but this is the video proof I got.

/thread

P.S. My theoretical monk can theoretically solo a theoretical Nagafen, but alas, outside the scope of this thread

[Castle2.0]

The only award you win is being the most cringe individual on the p99 forum. Which is a pretty big achievement to be fair.Thanks for adding to my growing list of accolades. Appreciate your opinion and award.

Woke up to a discord message from OP here attempting to rip off someone unaware of nerf and pricing adjustments. No respect. You received a WTS/WTT Red Wood Wands or a Red Wood Wand offer from someone for an item you were selling? Man, what a smooth talker that guy must be! That's terrible.

Imagine doing the trade and waking up the following morning and your Red Wood Wand isn't worth what you thought it was?!

If I did that, I would be like a mini-Rogean. Will I get a red name on the forums now?

[Lostfaction]

You need to forum less and look at yourself in the mirror and wonder what you are doing with you zero value add to a server. But you’re loving this attention I guess. Congrats on discouraging players from the server I bet that’s what deva were hoping for

[Cen]

Bard at 49 will do around 90 damage per tick to each mob that can be effected, as long as you swap in your lute and horn properly. I actually have a video guide on my channel on how to swarm kite, and it just so happens to be when my bard was 49 on Blue, but I won't post the video, because honestly I just don't care. ;D

The moment you said there's a 66% damage reduction on the PBAOE's for moving targets is when I honestly know there's no need to step in very hard here ;p

[Castle2.0]

I remember it being nerfed -- maybe I've played too much EQemu and not enough live/P99.

You land your 48 snare-DoT on 25 of 25 mobs pretty regularly? Or you using some other songs? level 2 + 18 aint getting you to 90 dmg.

When you say 90dmg, you mean actual or potential? Link me to your YT, maybe get a free sub.

I'm genuinely curious.

[Cen]

Actually, watch this firiona one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1AsERU4RM

Around 6 minutes I start blabbing about the instrument modifier and how when you place the item into the slot you can still get full damage after it fires. This is a bard still at 43.

At level 43, a bard will be able to do 53 damage per tick (24+29)
At level 47, a bard will be doing 57 damage per tick (26+31)
At level 48, you add in a third song, and can do an additional 52 damage for a total of 109 damage per tick if you nail all instruments perfectly.

I'm not the best swarmer and when I used to do that I did the stupid drive by method for newbs. A good circler who's perfect can do a lot of damage.

I also learned that chant stacks can allow a bard to get up to 70 DPS at the end of the game, but I only stopped at level 56, no epic, and not that crazy long duration chant

[Castle2.0]

Great video. Love the lambent blue.

Since you're not using the level 48 song in that video... How do you answer the above questions?

How often do you get 25 of 25 hits on the 48 snare-DoT? If not, you got mobs at different run speeds and gotta wait til it wears off to use next DoT.

[Cen]

Great video. Love the lambent blue.

Since you're not using the level 48 song in that video... How do you answer the above questions?

How often do you get 25 of 25 hits on the 48 snare-DoT? If not, you got mobs at different run speeds and gotta wait til it wears off to use next DoT.

Well that's easy: its not a problem because it doesn't snare at all. Its a slow only. You might be thinking of the level 54 AOE snare which doesn't stack with the 48 spell, but that's just because of the slow component. 48 is just a big ass DoT with a AOE slow (not a snare)

It hits about the same as the others, which is like.. most of the time on things lower than you. The drolvargs actually have a very high MR.

[Castle2.0]

You're right, I did mix those 2 up. Very nice.

109 theoretical max DoT per tic per mob. I doubt in practice you'd hit that high due to resists. I remember level 2 being not too bad, but level 18 one seemed to resist a good amount. Don't even remember the 48 one.

But if you wanna make the video on Green, take the crown, and prove me wrong, it's up to you Cen.

P.S. For some theoretical fun with my theoretical buddy ChooChoo. At ~2,700 dmg/tic (109 across 25 mobs), you're looking at less than 2 wands (380 dmg x 4 mobs x 2 wands = ~3,000 dmg). Can I click 2 wands in 6 seconds? 2:17-2:23. Yes. /theoretical thread.

[Cen]

I play Cleric on green I dont know about some of the competition challenge discussion thing I just wanted to correct the damage per tic and that bards are not subject to the 66% rule for AOEs.

Basically, I think Bards are pretty OP when I mained one, their hardcoding has a lot of unique special abilities and also bards do way more DPS then people think on average, especially with single target chant stacking.

[BlackBellamy]

SamDeathwalker, is that you?

Sam doesn't play on servers that don't allow 12-boxing.

[Jimjam]

Sam doesn't play on servers that don't allow 12-boxing.

I think I just worked out why the red server always has a dozen people online!!

[Geomance22]

https://i.imgur.com/45mwk7c.png

The
Absolute
State

https://i.imgur.com/qqFL1Rh.png

[bradsamma]

Wow, that wand guy seems to like talking out of his ass about stuff he knows nothing about.

[charmcitysking]

song?

[HandOfFate]

This was one of the main tactics of a certain raiding guild. Now that they don't have clickies, they need to learn to actually play the game. Last pop day they got owned.

[Praslek]

Curse you, now I'm wasting time googling epic sax guy remixes

[Baler]

Proof that if we cry enough the guides will cry to the senior guides who will try to the gms who will cry to the admins.

is the system flawed?

[Castle2.0]

*bobs his head to epic sax music and remembers the good old days*

[Baler]

*bobs his head to epic sax music and remembers the good old days*

https://i.imgur.com/xKCnCku.gif