Repeatable Quest XP....

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Quest XP has been seriously OVERnerfed! The rewards for XP Quests are now WELL below what they were during Vanilla Classic Era!

Every alt I leveled during Vanilla Classic (TZ Server) followed the same route BoneChips ---> CB Belts ---> CB Pads ---> Gobby Ears. This was EASILY enough to push me into the level 22-24 Range without fail.

Doing so on Green right now would take MANY TIMES the number of belts for an equivalent amount of XP rewarded during Vanilla Classic!

[magnetaress]

ya same red wine is a bit overnerfed 2, should get someone to lvl 5 easy but, i can see why on my SK it doesn't move the bar as much.

my rogue on blue is getting excellent exp for gls at 16 and did so too for snake fangs and skins

tbh i think exp from these quests should be bumped up 20-25%

[Jimjam]

Yea, I did some research and my findings suggested the previous value for the kaladim bone chip quest was spot on.

I know the official line is “if you find evidence the current values are off please post it”, but tbh I think the lower reward is good for server health and I can’t be arsed to dig up my old research to try argue the nerf is unclassic.

[ldgo86]

Felwithe is much better than Kaladim for Bone chips :)

[Muggens]

Shucks, i was considering making a warrior to play with a druid buddy who is at lvl 24, guess I would have to lvl him up with pure grinding now?

[magnetaress]

Shucks, i was considering making a warrior to play with a druid buddy who is at lvl 24, guess I would have to lvl him up with pure grinding now?

you could probably hit 12 pretty quick with quests... but idk...

20 if you are really dedicated.

[Zephire]

Shucks, i was considering making a warrior to play with a druid buddy who is at lvl 24, guess I would have to lvl him up with pure grinding now?

I did belts on my War the other day. Turned in 36 belts and got 1/2 a level in 9.

Doesn't seem as though it's worth it to turn in and the sell price is going to drop drastically once the greater population gets wind

[aspomwell]

Shucks, i was considering making a warrior to play with a druid buddy who is at lvl 24, guess I would have to lvl him up with pure grinding now?

A 24 druid should be able to PL your warrior fairly quickly!

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Just did 24 CB Pads. Gave me just over two yellows as a lvl 13 Necromancer

[Zephire]

A 24 druid should be able to PL your warrior fairly quickly!

I would think so :)

[Blingy]

Same thing for lizard meat in Ogguk/Feerrott. I turned in 2 stacks at level 3 and got 1 bubble of xp. The plat is still pretty good for the level but it'll be time to head to greener pastures if it gets worse.

[Broor]

Qeynos still has it goin' on: Bone Chip turnins until 4, then gnoll fangs until you can solo wisps (11-12), then NK lightstone turnins until you can't stand all the plat you've made around 18-19 and have to go spend it-

[Gatorsmash]

Everybody in this thread is wrong. They have stated repeatedly the values are "classic". I'll come back tomorrow and post "wtf it's a free game" to complete the circle

[Broor]

Everybody in this thread is wrong. They have stated repeatedly the values are "classic". I'll come back tomorrow and post "wtf it's a free game" to complete the circle

I'm not wrong, Qeynos is still (and always has been) dope. Don't make such sweeping statements, you'll hurt druid's feelings

[magnetaress]

The difference between 32 and 64 cb belts is pretty minimal anyway.

[loramin]

Everybody in this thread is wrong. They have stated repeatedly the values are "classic". I'll come back tomorrow and post "wtf it's a free game" to complete the circle

So the orc scalp quest actually gave 0 XP (or close to that much) on live? I turned in a stack and didn't get a single %, and while I didn't do that quest in classic myself, that just seems wrong.

[magnetaress]

It gave pretty solid exp i got an sk from 16-21 on orc scalps on live, but i'll be damned if i can get some 'videographic' fraps evidence.

[Muggens]

A 24 druid should be able to PL your warrior fairly quickly!

Sounds good, ill put him to work! I forget i even have few characters myself he could use to PL me :p

[HomieGSB]

Qeynos still has it goin' on: Bone Chip turnins until 4, then gnoll fangs until you can solo wisps (11-12), then NK lightstone turnins until you can't stand all the plat you've made around 18-19 and have to go spend it-
You use Lashun or Wolten for bone chips in Qeynos?

[magnetaress]

lashun is terrible better to go to felwithe for sure lol

[Broor]

Wolten seemed like a bigger exp reward, and you get that sick bone box for free. Lashun heals you when you turnin though, so as a melee that was occasionally better-

[HomieGSB]

Of course Felwithe is better but he was talking Qeynos

[NPC]

If anything, xp quest rewards are set too high. Light stones should not take you past 9th level. I level lots of alts with those, exp should be almost non-existent by 9th level.

[bbsmitz]

If anything, xp quest rewards are set too high. Light stones should not take you past 9th level. I level lots of alts with those, exp should be almost non-existent by 9th level.

You can't solo wisps until 10-12. Why shouldn't the stones they drop give xp at that range.

[Guesty07]

You can't solo wisps until 10-12. Why shouldn't the stones they drop give xp at that range.


Agreed, that makes little to no sense.

[Kohedron]

I'm sorry did the free thing you get not satisfy your needs :(((((((((((

[loramin]

I'm sorry did the free thing you get not satisfy your needs :(((((((((((

This place prides itself on classic-ness, and Nilbog asks players to submit bugs of anything not classic (especially on Green). And they also ask for donations.

It'd be like if some company posted billboards offering free Coke, but please bring some canned food for the homeless ... and when you show up (with homeless food or without) you get given Diet Coke. The Diet Coke was free, and you shouldn't be a dick and throw it back in the company's face or anything ... but even so, it's still legitimate to respectfully talk about the fact that you just got given Diet Coke when you were promised Coke Classic.

https://i.imgur.com/7kaxqav.png

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Even more odd to say as I wasn't asking for any GM interventions. More or less just curious as to the experience of others (pun intended)

[Jimjam]

Well I got bored and found my old bug post that found the pre-green xp reward for bone chips in Kaladim was about right. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1985810&postcount=5)

It’s there as a starting point for anyone who would like to make a bug report that the new value is too low.

*Threadsurrect*

I searched for this thread after reading bone chips were giving too much xp and decided to test it.

Handed in 400 bone chips on a 24 human ranger, which gave 1/3rd of a level.

If the formula from the wiki for total xp at the end of a level is correct, level^3*classmultiplier*racemultiplier*helllevelmu ltiplier then we can subtract the xp needed to complete level 1- 23 from the xp needed to complete level 1- 24 to see how much xp was made (and divide by three as I only did a third of the level).

Xp to go from 23 to 24
(24^3*140*10*1)-(23^3*140*10*1)=19353600-1703318=2319800

I made a third of that so divide by three for total xp made from the 400 bone chips
2319800/3=773266

400 bone chips is 100 hand ins so divide by 100 for xp per 'quest'
773266/100=7732

So the quest on p1999 is giving around 7732 xp per 4 bone chips handed in.

According to the figures above a level 9 should get 1% xp from 4 bone chips handed in, meaning 7732*100 should be roughly equal to 9^3*1000*1

7732*100=773200 9^3*1000*1=729000

773200/729000=1.06

Only 6% off, I think that is close enough to 'roughly equal'. I say this testing shows that Kaladim bone chips are giving the correct amount of xp.

Comments/criticism of maths/method appreciated. tldr I worked out the xp gained from handing in hundreds of bone chips then compared a documented classic xp reward and found the xp per turn in for the pre green value and the live classic value were about the same.

[loramin]

Well I got bored and found my old bug post that found the pre-green xp reward for bone chips in Kaladim was about right. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1985810&postcount=5)

It’s there as a starting point for anyone who would like to make a bug report that the new value is too low.

tldr I worked out the xp gained from handing in hundreds of bone chips then compared a documented classic xp reward and found the xp per turn in for the pre green value and the live classic value were about the same.

https://i.imgur.com/1t4QgJ9.gif

[treefiddey]

Felwithe is much better than Kaladim for Bone chips :)

I don't think this is true.

I just turned in 20 bone chips in both places, as lvl 7 dwarf warrior.

In Kaladim I got almost a whole yellow.
In Felwithe, I got 0.5 yellows.

Also, you get a bit more cash in Kaladim.

PS: I dont think this affected by the funky rate near the edges of the bubbles. My bar went from 3.2 - 4.1 and 4.25 - 4.75.

[BarackObooma]

I don't think this is true.

I just turned in 20 bone chips in both places, as lvl 7 dwarf warrior.

In Kaladim I got almost a whole yellow.
In Felwithe, I got 0.5 yellows.

Also, you get a bit more cash in Kaladim.

PS: I dont think this affected by the funky rate near the edges of the bubbles. My bar went from 3.2 - 4.1 and 4.25 - 4.75.

Yes, Kaladim is much better. At least double the experience and more money from the armor/weapons to vendor (and the vendor is right across from the quest turn in guy).

I've leveled several toons from 1 to even level 15. I documented the turn ins here:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Bone_Chips_Kaladim

The below were ones I did so I can verify 100%.

Gnome Magician on Green 99
At level 7, it took 152 bone chips (7 stacks and 3 turn ins) to get to level 8.
At level 8, it took 200 bone chips (10 stacks) to get to level 9.
At level 9, it took 260 bone chips (13 stacks) to get to level 10.
At level 10, it took 344 bone chips (17 stacks and 1 turn in) to get to level 11.

High Elf Enchanter on Green 99
At level 2, I turned in 30 stacks of bone chips and got to level 9 with one yellow.
At level 10, I did 32 turn ins (128 bone chips) and got 2 yellow (40% exp).
At level 11, I turned in 4 stacks of bone chips and got one yellow (20% exp).
At level 13, I turned in 5 stacks of bone chips and got one yellow (20% exp).

Human Bard on Green99 (hybrid exp penalty)
At level 6, I turned in 164 Bone chips (8 stacks & 1 turn in) to get to level 7.
At level 7, I turned in 228 Bone chips (11 stacks & 2 turn ins) to get to level 8.

[bbsmitz]

Yes, Kaladim is much better. At least double the experience and more money from the armor/weapons to vendor (and the vendor is right across from the quest turn in guy).

I've leveled several toons from 1 to even level 15. I documented the turn ins here:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Bone_Chips_Kaladim

The below were ones I did so I can verify 100%.

Gnome Magician on Green 99
At level 7, it took 152 bone chips (7 stacks and 3 turn ins) to get to level 8.
At level 8, it took 200 bone chips (10 stacks) to get to level 9.
At level 9, it took 260 bone chips (13 stacks) to get to level 10.
At level 10, it took 344 bone chips (17 stacks and 1 turn in) to get to level 11.

High Elf Enchanter on Green 99
At level 2, I turned in 30 stacks of bone chips and got to level 9 with one yellow.
At level 10, I did 32 turn ins (128 bone chips) and got 2 yellow (40% exp).
At level 11, I turned in 4 stacks of bone chips and got one yellow (20% exp).
At level 13, I turned in 5 stacks of bone chips and got one yellow (20% exp).

Human Bard on Green99 (hybrid exp penalty)
At level 6, I turned in 164 Bone chips (8 stacks & 1 turn in) to get to level 7.
At level 7, I turned in 228 Bone chips (11 stacks & 2 turn ins) to get to level 8.

Do you remember when you did these? Were they after or pre-nerf?

[treefiddey]

Do you remember when you did these? Were they after or pre-nerf?

He said: At level 7, it took 152 bone chips (7 stacks and 3 turn ins) to get to level 8.

That basically equates to .72 yellow per turn-in, which is very similar to what I got this afternoon at lvl 7, as a dwarf warrior with xp bonus (~0.8).

[Bigsham]

Sitting here wondering if you farmed the chips yourself or bought them or who would be sick enough to sit there and turn all that crap in

jesus i bet this kid has nothing in the bank

[treefiddey]

Along these same lines...

For 4 CB belts, I got a bit over a yellow, which would be equivalent to about 1.5 stacks of bonechips.

7.5 pp of bone chips or 8pp worth of CB belts. The CB belts give better cash rewards, which would *just* make up the difference in price.

Market pricing seems to be working.

[BarackObooma]

This was within the last month. When was this "nerf"?

I bought bone chips in East Commons for 4pp a stack until someone would wtb for 5pp and I'd match it. It cost WAYYYYYY less than belts, shoulderpads, orc scalps and goblin ears for the same amount of experience. Anyone that pays 15pp each for goblin ears is an idiot. You get more experience from 4 bone chips.

[BarackObooma]

Also anyone that is paying 5pp for lightstones is insane. A greater lightstone costs 15pp or less. You turn it in and get good experience (until about 15 or 16) and a 9-10pp item back so it costs you 5pp. You turn in a lightstone, get wayyyyy less experience and get a 9s item back so it ends up costing the same as a greater lightstone! So 12-16, turn in your greater lightstones, sell your lightstones and either buy more greater lightstones or save the money.

[BarackObooma]

Along these same lines...

For 4 CB belts, I got a bit over a yellow, which would be equivalent to about 1.5 stacks of bonechips.

7.5 pp of bone chips or 8pp worth of CB belts. The CB belts give better cash rewards, which would *just* make up the difference in price.

Market pricing seems to be working.

Going to have to disagree on this.

At level 11 for a gnome magician it took 80 belts (160pp avg) to get to 12.
At level 11 for a gnome magician it takes about 20 stacks of bone chips (80pp avg).

You are paying twice as much using belts or pads. 80 belt turn in rewards do not equal more than 100 bone chip turn in rewards. They both vendor about the same.

[treefiddey]

Your sample size is larger, so you're probably right.