Bin Laden's dead

[Sizzle]

http://www.cnn.com/

He's dead. discuss.

[Sizzle]

Err opps, Osama Bin Laden fixed

[Shiftin]

http://www.cnn.com/

He's dead. discuss.

U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A !

[Ihealyou]

in b4 what'd he drop

[xshayla701]

too many gd fb statuses about this nig

[Trax]

in b4 what'd he drop

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/pgfx/item_639.png

Cloth Cap

Slot: HEAD
AC: 2
WT: 0.2 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL except DWF HFL GNM
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)


He wasn't itemized yet, this was just the placeholder loot.

[Motrin]

im pretty sure TR got the kill

[Trax]

im pretty sure TR got the kill

World first kill! I wonder if they got an achievement.

[Rejuvenation]

He's a rarer spawn than Bilge...Devs: Was he bugged?

[Kalifa]

white power

[Sizzle]

World first kill! I wonder if they got an achievement.

Pretty sure he isn't casting his AoE. Possible that he was petted down as well.

[Spud]

about god damn time!

[Blancah]

[Sun May 01 21:58:30 2011] Rogean BROADCASTS, 'And the reward for funniest tell response goes to Iran for asking, "What did he drop?"'

[jyaku]

i wanna see his head on a pike in front of the whitehouse

[Doors]

ShowEQ for the win baby. All hail the Bush administration!

[Doors]

Later bitch.

[Ennoia]

On a scale of Anne Frank to Osama Bin Laden, how good was my hiding spot?

[quellren]

I'm *not* a conspiracy theorist by any means, but does it seem a bit odd to anyone else that at the low point of Obama's presidency, when his popularity is waning, right before the re-election campaigns start in earnest he somehow produces a birth certificate AND Obama's head in 24 hours?

[Ihealyou]

Doesn't it also seem odd that there's only one letter difference between Obama and Osama, and his middle name is Hussein, just like Saddam Hussein? $10 says they're all the same person.

[Kimmie]

AND Obama's head in 24 hours?

A+ typo

[quellren]

A+ typo

Dammit... Freudian Slip. =(

[Turtles]

Smoked that bitch and his family, too.

Get some, Al Qaeda. Fucking faggots.

[xshayla701]

idgaf

[quellren]

LoL@ the tag: dropped a runed cowl

Although, wouldn't it more likely be a fine silk turban, or a some dusty bloodstained gloves?

[Nightblade]

I sense a Toby Keith song in the making.

Title it "Osama We Got'im"

[Harm]

By now you probably know that Osama bin Laden is dead.

The reason I bring this up here is that I first heard about the 9-11 attacks by reading a post on my EQ guild's web forums (while at work and not working very hard). In the days that followed those forums and my server forums were a major support system for me, even though I didn't know any of my guildies in person. My guild was even about 60% Canadian, yet they organized in-game candlelight vigils for us Americans in the guild and on the server. Its one of those events I'll probably never forget, and for me Everquest is closely associated with the healing process.

So I just want to say thanks to everyone that I knew back in the day who were the support system for many of us, even if none of us knew that that's what it was at the time, and to all the international community that contributed to the overthrow of the terrorists and now the death of its leader.

[Constellations]

idgaf

qft

[wehrmacht]

R.I.P. Bin Laden

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6254/binladen11250391quertem.jpg

[Doors]

Terrible. I found you instantly after opening my pvp skill.

[wehrmacht]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6254/binladen11250391quertem.jpg

[Shannacore]

Vid of Obamas Speech (http://fbihop.tumblr.com/post/5124238112)


In case anyone missed it~

[Slave]

Pretty amazing what you can do when you look in the right country.

[Anger]

Who is Bin Laden? Was he Angry?

[Loly Taa]

Pretty amazing what you can do when you look in the right zone.

fixed

[Nightblade]

Despite the claim that he was reportedly killed today after the operation's success, I'm betting he was killed back sometime around Monday. General Petraeus was in Pakistan Monday for a 'meeting with top national security council-members'. Surely a complete coincidence that Obama ordered the operation a week ago, and the general of the Afghanistan operation happened to be there.

We waited to announce it in order to confirm via DNA.

[purist]

bin laden didna blow up dah prahjecks

[Ennoia]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6254/binladen11250391quertem.jpg

Only if PvP stand for Planes vs People

[Greyhands]

Cant hide forever bitch sooner or later we are going to find your ass

[Slathar]

I wonder if they'll ever try war criminals such as Henry Kissinger for crimes against humanity for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Cambodians, Laotians, and Vietnamese.

[purist]

I wonder if they'll ever try war criminals such as Henry Kissinger for crimes against humanity for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Cambodians, Laotians, and Vietnamese.

Kissinger brought 1000 9/11's to SE Asia. Obama consults him on foreign policy.

[blammo]

Kissinger brought 1000 9/11's to SE Asia. Obama consults him on foreign policy.

Truth.

[deathgirl]

the gm's will tell you he was bugged but keepin the guilds at each other's throats was bringing in good revenue :rolleyes:

[Tinino]

If they really got him, they should stop to show the pic of him dead because =>
http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1304325148480.png (note safe)

[Tinino]

If they really got him, they should stop to show the pic of him dead because =>
http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1304325148480.png (note safe)

right link http://www.arretsurimages.net/media/breve/s110/id10986/original.36818.plein.jpg

[NenshouStar]

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k538/Devin_Sherrard/EQ000154.jpg?t=1304330158

[mitic]

WTC = 3000 civilian casualties = osama = mass murder

irak = 100000 civilian casualties = usa = ?

[jmorgan08]

To whom do I send my $1.05?

[epicentre]

Any chance to put this in another section, such as rant and flames?

[Toony]

Any chance to put this in another section, such as rant and flames?

News of Bin Ladens death got you down?

[Ashimar]

News of Bin Ladens death got you down?

No. It's just the fact that technically everyone won't shut up about it, as if we don't know by now.

[Extunarian]

No. It's just the fact that technically everyone won't shut up about it, as if we don't know by now.

what's the word 'technically' doing in this sentence?

[Zinramm]

what's the word 'technically' doing in this sentence?

Well, technically it is in the sentence.. :D

[Daldolma]

WTC = 3000 civilian casualties = osama = mass murder

irak = 100000 civilian casualties = usa = ?

1) There's no 'K' in Iraq.

2) The vast, vast majority of those "100,000 civilian casualties" were not caused by US or Coalition forces, but by other Iraqis. Also: the word you're looking for is fatalities, not casualties. Casualty refers to both deaths and injuries; fatality refers to deaths.

3) Go suck a fat dick if you feel the need to defend a mass murderer.

[Ashimar]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

[Anger]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

This concept was around LONG before people knew what an America was :p

[Alarti0001]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

hammurabi's code ....look it up

[Ennoia]

3) Go suck a fat dick if you feel the need to defend a mass murderer.

If our troops aren't pulled back home immediately, you're doing the same fucking thing.

[Rogean]

Are you kidding me? Osama's dead lets pack up and go home? Osama was one person out of MANY that planned the terrorist attacks by Al Queda, in fact he was probably only a public face and may have had little to do with the planning at all.

[Sigleaf]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

Really??

Why don't you go live in a "less" stupid country like Liberia where you have no rights, freedom, or soapbox to bitch because those liberties are stripped from you.

Where are you to judge motives for this killing? This was a man who ordered the execution of thousands in his lifetime, not just American lives. To believe that the celebration is merely over a man's death is to be ignorant... This man was the paramount of evil on this planet and he is now gone.... Imagine if you were a family member of someone who died on 9-11....

You really need to rethink what it's like to be "American". Some of the youth of today are so spoiled, and are so naive to what the world is like outside of your perfect little walls. The world is nasty, some people are evil, learn to understand that.

[Taryth]

Are you kidding me? Osama's dead lets pack up and go home? Osama was one person out of MANY that planned the terrorist attacks by Al Queda, in fact he was probably only a public face and may have had little to do with the planning at all.

False. It was a one man operation from the beginning. Obviously.

[Holdar]

I don't believe it yet, I want screen shots!!

[Daldolma]

If our troops aren't pulled back home immediately, you're doing the same fucking thing.

LOL -- right. Because we had ~150,000 troops in Afghanistan and Iraq to ensure Osama's death (in Pakistan). Now that mission's accomplished, guess we might as well pack up and leave.

We're in the process of assuming control and ensuring the stability of a region stockpiled with the most valuable, dwindling resource on Earth. Turning Osama into a bloody, lifeless corpse was bonus points, not game over.

And enough with the guilt trip over collateral f*cking damage. US forces are responsible for the deaths of significantly more combatants than civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan. If the US wanted to murder civilians, they'd all be dead.

[Splooie]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

I think you probably just see a bunch of people happy about something and have to, by default, go the other way with it. The interwebs is full of these "if you're for it, I'm against it" people today.

[Taryth]

Obviously the new hip thing to do is act extremely compassionate, philanthropic, and to be a humanist! Oh, the ROMANCE!!!
Grow some balls, this isn't an ideal world.

If you're so upset about it, what would you have done? Put him in a some sort of jail (Guantanamo most likely, or a less public affair) where he'd either be tortured, or isolated for the entirety of his remaining life. I'm quite certain I'd rather be dead than in a live Osama's position.


Punishment is never fair, just, or humane. But it is necessary. The only thing you can really speak out against in the context of punishment, would be torture. Just kill the sap quickly and be done with it. And that's about as anti-corporal punishment as I get.

[stormlord]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.Might I invite you to be the first in line to make justice with Al Qaeda without killing them.

You: Where's Al Qaeda?
Me: They're over there - *points*. See that man cutting that other guys head off? The one doing the cutting is a member of Al Qaeda. See the other ones around him with assault rifles? Them too.
You: Oh boy! Nows my chance to make peace without shedding blood.
Me: Good luck.

[Rhambuk]

back on topic.

I have never been a very patriotic person, nor do I consider myself to be one now. Thinking back to that day I am pretty disappointed with the way I reacted when I first heard the news and over the course of 10 years I have strongly been against the war.

Turning on the news last night when I arrived at work and listening to President Obama's speech I felt good, not because we had just killed a man who had wronged us but that everyone who had lost someone or something in the attack may feel some relief after 10 years.

Today I feel more American than I ever have in my life, I am still not a very patriotic person nor do I support the war. I feel a certain sense of connection with every person I meet, that we share a common emotion a sense of righteous accomplishment.

The last few years in this country have been difficult for many people. The economy going down with the price of everything going up a lot of people have been down in a slump, and though it doesn't seem great to rally around the death of a man but finally there is something to bring us together and make us remember what it means to be an American.

That's what I'm happy about,

After school special off, rant on

[casdegere]

I think killing what he stands for is much more potent then the man and that will never be done completely but it sure took a hit in Osama's death along with the message that the world is not big enough to evade justice forever.

[Swish]

From an onlooker's point of view (in England) I smell a dirty great rat. Bin Laden was rumoured to have kidney problems and had died in 2002, any video footage you see of him after that time contains poor lookalikes (hard to find someone with those facial features) or just tape recordings...as that was obviously easier to hoax.

The US government have clearly had his body in their possession for years and frozen it to preserve it. What better time than now to wheel it out (assuming they do) just as the elections are around the corner.

I'm not saying everyone's wrong, but just take a minute to look at the bigger picture. Afghanistan is getting old, perhaps the US wants to upscale involvement in Libya? Tasty tasty oil reserves, Gaddafi has been poopsocking too long apparently.

[stormlord]

I think killing what he stands for is much more potent then the man and that will never be done completely but it sure took a hit in Osama's death along with the message that the world is not big enough to evade justice forever.Not enough fox holes and even if there were we can smoke em out.

[Splooie]

Clearly!

[Klyre]

From an onlooker's point of view (in England) I smell a dirty great rat. Bin Laden was rumoured to have kidney problems and had died in 2002, any video footage you see of him after that time contains poor lookalikes (hard to find someone with those facial features) or just tape recordings...as that was obviously easier to hoax.

The US government have clearly had his body in their possession for years and frozen it to preserve it. What better time than now to wheel it out (assuming they do) just as the elections are around the corner.

I'm not saying everyone's wrong, but just take a minute to look at the bigger picture. Afghanistan is getting old, perhaps the US wants to upscale involvement in Libya? Tasty tasty oil reserves, Gaddafi has been poopsocking too long apparently.

Wiki leaks or it didn't happen.

[Extunarian]

The US government have clearly had his body in their possession for years and frozen it to preserve it. What better time than now to wheel it out (assuming they do) just as the elections are around the corner.


LOL...


Hey Barack, I know I left the economy in kind of a mess, so to make it up to you I left the frozen corpse of Osama Bin Laden in the White House freezer for you to bust out whenever you feel it would be politically expedient. Seeya later!

[Rogean]

Lol ya right.. Like George W. Bush wouldn't run straight to the press and be like "GUESS WHAT DAD?! WE GOT HIM!" Just like Saddam.

[Ennoia]

Where are you to judge motives for this killing?

Killing is killing. End of story. Now torture...there's some fucking justice!

[strosz]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

Ashimar, don't listen to the ones criticizing your view. I was gladly surprised to see someone speaking the truth as one of the first comments. Murder is pointless, and capital punishment is but an embarrassing remnant of medieval times. I'd often like to think that we have evolved, not only technically, but also as humans since those times, something which I'm not very convinced of.

[Splooie]

Ashimar, don't listen to the ones criticizing your view. I was gladly surprised to see someone speaking the truth as one of the first comments. Murder is pointless, and capital punishment is but an embarrassing remnant of medieval times. I'd often like to think that we have evolved, not only technically, but also as humans since those times, something which I'm not very convinced of.

How would you have brought justice to bin Laden? Harsh language? You're misrepresenting this anyway. It wasn't an execution. It was an arrest. He resisted, and his ass got shot.

[gnomishfirework]

You people are all idiots.

[jval2529]

I can't believe it, I wonder if they got any good drops. But seriously, I think the US was trying too hard and by the time they accomplished what they set out to do they lost much more than it was worth. Hopefully I'm wrong, but really, was it worth 10 years of war to kill ONE person?

[Murphy]

the US definitely doesn't want to murder a future labor resource.

[blammo]

The U.S. would never do something that hurts people for the personal gain of a few rich elites, right?

Oh hi there United Fruit.

[Klyre]

You people are all idiots.

Fish swim in water......um whats your point?

[redghosthunter]

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k538/Devin_Sherrard/EQ000154.jpg?t=1304330158

Osama, was buried at sea....

So we can say for sure that this is not he :) Better run some multi lateral independent DNA testing on that corpse ... Wait, no one can cause there aint a body anymore...Can anyone say for sure that they really got Osama? We are just supposed to take the governments word right? Cause we know that politicians only speak the truth. Some assassin's jump out of a helicopter at night, kill some folks. Bag a guy, and dump him in the ocean? Did i get it right?

[guineapig]

Liar? I assume you mean lair.

Actually, I hear he was living in a three story mansion.

And to answer your question, no it wasn't.

[redghosthunter]

IDK, maybe ya better ask the Native Americans....

[Koota]

Hopefully you're trolling. Because the 10 year war wasn't about -just- killing this guy.

[Shannacore]

Hopefully you're trolling. Because the 10 year war wasn't about -just- killing this guy.

[epicentre]

News of Bin Ladens death got you down?

This ain't server chat. It's RL.

And, even if I think Bin Laden is "evil", I am aware this is my highly biased point of view, and it's not objective at all.

So, this has nothing to do in "Server Chat" IMHO.

[Extunarian]

hahahaha that joke about what he drops is so original and i hadn't seen anyone make it yet how do you come up with this stuff

[Knuckle]

It was done because it had to be done, people cheering and shouting on facebook and acting like idiots about it are the ones that annoy me. Shows a complete and utter ignorance and lack of evolution, were all one human race, sometimes people bring down justice on themselves by trying to destroy this.

Whatever America's motives this man was causing ruin on the world, and now hes dead.

[notahipster]

ashimar is right...

[Messianic]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

There really wasn't another option. I sympathize with your idealism, but not your application.

Do we ignore him? Try to befriend him?

But I do understand the sentiment behind what you're saying, and im encouraged by the number of people in my facebook feed who express feelings of sadness that killing had to take place, but relief that this man no longer walks the earth. That's essentially how I feel.

Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't have had a problem shooting the man myself if he was an immediate threat, but I certainly wouldn't enjoy it or be happy that I killed someone.

[Zxar]

Artist's rendition

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[Teeroyoyort]

They probably have his corpse at some random fort for every American soldier to get a free kick out of -D

[Wudan]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

so true :(

[Raavak]

Today I feel more American than I ever have in my life...

Not long after I first heard what happened the end of the book/movie 1984 came to mind...

Winston: "I love Big Brother!"

[casdegere]

Ashimar, don't listen to the ones criticizing your view. I was gladly surprised to see someone speaking the truth as one of the first comments. Murder is pointless, and capital punishment is but an embarrassing remnant of medieval times. I'd often like to think that we have evolved, not only technically, but also as humans since those times, something which I'm not very convinced of.

It is always easier to believe that killing isn't necessary when its someone else's children dying. DO I think killing in general is a good thing? Absolutely not. DO I think that killing Bin Laden will prevent innocent deaths? Absolutely. Sure it will not stop terrorism but the world is changing. Technology is allowing more and more people to learn the truth. Both about the bad that Americans do and also the radical Muslims as well.

As long as there are Muslims that believe the Western society is preventing their own from being the chosen ones in their gods eyes there will be terrorism and innocent lives lost. As long as there is an American Government completely self concerned and spurned on by greed there will be people, countries that hate us. I believe you should expect to reap what you sow. Bin Laden, Saddam, Ghaddafi, Bush, Obama, all of these men have looked people in the face and lied to them. Manipulated, killed and tortured people either by direct or indirect means. It pains me that our society takes one step forward then two steps back. Declaring war on countries that do not declare war against us. Nato is nothing more then a mockery of greedy countries now.

[Wudan]

has anyone thought about the fact he might not be the one who is responsible for 9/11? It always amuses me how people consume mainstream media without thinking or questioning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U

Bill Cooper was marked as the most dangerous radio host in the U.S. by Clintons WH memo. He also predicted (june01) what will happen. Listen and think about it.

[Not Angered]

No one is right in this situation. All you people calling him evil and saying he should be exterminated. Who is the villain in the thousands of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan then? More deaths there than the entire WTC. Maybe you say Bin Laden for attacking the US or maybe all the companies and people that benefited from military actions in the middle east. I say they all suck for using people as pawns and making money while fooling all of us.

[Raavak]

Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

"America" should be replaced with "mankind". Whether you like it or not, war is a part of the human condition. "Peace" is outcome of "a war".

[Rushmore]

The Dollar is crashing. The Presidents Rating where shit literally. They found the bad guy. WTF-ever. Did anyone see a picture? They reported they immediately buried the body in the ocean. WTF?

DONT BELIEVE LIES.

[Ihealyou]

The Dollar is crashing. The Presidents Rating where shit literally. They found the bad guy. WTF-ever. Did anyone see a picture? They reported they immediately buried the body in the ocean. WTF?

DONT BELIEVE LIES.

If they lied about killing Bin Laden, don't you think he would release a video of him going "lol you didn't kill me idiots"? Why would the US lie about something that could be disproven so easily, and which would completely destroy our reputation? Also, the dollar isn't crashing, the president's approval ratings weren't shit, and they buried him in the ocean so that terrorists couldn't use his grave site as a shrine.

[quellren]

The Dollar is crashing. The Presidents Rating where shit literally. They found the bad guy. WTF-ever. Did anyone see a picture? They reported they immediately buried the body in the ocean. WTF?

DONT BELIEVE LIES.

The President addressing addressing the nation during Primetime hours is a pretty bold step considering if it wasn't actually Bin Laden they killed, all he has to do is appear on Al Jazeera and say 'Nuh-uh Bitches' and we all look *really* stupid.

So I'm gonna bet that every precaution has been taken to make sure that the above doesn't happen. I'm not saying that it went down exactly like CNN says it did, but really, does it really matter if he died of Cancer in 03, or acute lead poisoning yesterday?
It's still a pretty crippling blow to Al Qaeda's operations.

[Wudan]

If they lied about killing Bin Laden, don't you think he would release a video of him going "lol you didn't kill me idiots"? Why would the US lie about something that could be disproven so easily, and which would completely destroy our reputation? Also, the dollar isn't crashing, the president's approval ratings weren't shit, and they buried him in the ocean so that terrorists couldn't use his grave site as a shrine.

dude can you be any more naive? What if he had beed all these years? You know he was on dialisis? Do you know even Madlein Albright said they had him on ice and will use him when politicaly needed?

[Rushmore]

I don't give a shit believe what you want...

[Rushmore]

They are just preparing our minds so that they can kill more innocent people in American and claim that terrorist did it or the tea party or some radical.

Read between the lines.

[Kalifa]

They are just preparing our minds so that they can kill more innocent people in American and claim that terrorist did it or the tea party or some radical.

Read between the lines.

holy shit you're retarded

[Eldaran]

itthhh a conthhhpirathhyyy

[quellren]

They are just preparing our minds so that they can kill more innocent people in American and claim that terrorist did it or the tea party or some radical.

Read between the lines.

You claim conspiracy but then envision a plan that erases the most publicly supported reason to stay in Afghanistan?
If he was really dead, but the US has further interests in the Middle East, why not 86' him and then keep it quiet so we can occupy indefinitely? With no Osama to hunt down, American support of operations in A'stan will wane quickly.

He's dead, man. Let it go.

[Kasilis]

back on topic.

I have never been a very patriotic person, nor do I consider myself to be one now. Thinking back to that day I am pretty disappointed with the way I reacted when I first heard the news and over the course of 10 years I have strongly been against the war.

Turning on the news last night when I arrived at work and listening to President Obama's speech I felt good, not because we had just killed a man who had wronged us but that everyone who had lost someone or something in the attack may feel some relief after 10 years.

Today I feel more American than I ever have in my life, I am still not a very patriotic person nor do I support the war. I feel a certain sense of connection with every person I meet, that we share a common emotion a sense of righteous accomplishment.

The last few years in this country have been difficult for many people. The economy going down with the price of everything going up a lot of people have been down in a slump, and though it doesn't seem great to rally around the death of a man but finally there is something to bring us together and make us remember what it means to be an American.

That's what I'm happy about,

After school special off, rant on

and this is exactly the problem about it. You know how community ("gemeinschaft" sozio.) is being generated? By excluding others.
Now because of the horrible economic situation people in the US started to search for the enemies inside their own society. The american unity was shattered. Of course there were always minorities blamed for a lot of things in the past, but I've the feeling that it is the first time in the history of the United States that leading class is not only severly critized, but also questioned, and with them the system itself. In this time where the economy lays on the ground. When workers in Winconsins go on the streets to fight for their rights. When being anticapitalistic in any way isn't a curse word anymore. The death of defenitly true terrorists unites the American Nation again and distracts the public from the injustice problems inside their own society. You need an enemy to fight against to keep the people in line. I don't say that the goverment invented everything. I'am not one of those hoax idiots. But they are smart enough to use those things to make their politics.
This will ruin your country if you don't wake up early enough. There will not be any economy you'll benefit from if you keep cutting education to a minimum and running this ultra neoliberal line. 99% of the population won't even participate in it.
And yes he probably deserved death. But dancing in joy about it makes you look like savages in the eyes of the rest of the world. I can understand the people in NY, because I can imagen it has been traumatizing for them. But there is no excuse for this idiotic patriotism.

Forgive me if my grammar or spelling isn't correct and insulted you in any ways, but as you might have noticed I'am not from the states.

Nothing more to say but

flame on..

[purist]

OBL's loot

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8807/oblloot.jpg

[Kasilis]

add some "Tears of the Martyr" (effect: islamic fascism +50) and the loottable is complete.

[Rushmore]

You claim conspiracy but then envision a plan that erases the most publicly supported reason to stay in Afghanistan?
If he was really dead, but the US has further interests in the Middle East, why not 86' him and then keep it quiet so we can occupy indefinitely? With no Osama to hunt down, American support of operations in A'stan will wane quickly.

He's dead, man. Let it go.

Wrong again bro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNqIrDKnNE8&feature=player_embedded

The Bankers own the world along with the drug trade. We are protecting drugs.

Mami was built how do you know?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html

You gotta read in between the lines my friends.

[Spud]

If they lied about killing Bin Laden, don't you think he would release a video of him going "lol you didn't kill me idiots"? Why would the US lie about something that could be disproven so easily, and which would completely destroy our reputation? Also, the dollar isn't crashing, the president's approval ratings weren't shit, and they buried him in the ocean so that terrorists couldn't use his grave site as a shrine.

Thank you for using logic. These conspiracy theorist make my head hurt.


No. It's just the fact that technically everyone won't shut up about it, as if we don't know by now
Humans... thinking justice is done by killing another human being. That's why this stupid country we call America will always be at war.

Way to be a Debbie Downer. We have been looking for this scum bag for 10 years and he is partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent lives, largest manhunt in human history over?

HEAD SHOT.

JUSTICE IS SERVED. USA RULES.

9/11 was one of the worst days in American history, this brings come closure to that. It's big news. I'm not in favor of capitol punishment but this guy really deserves it, not to mention he was ACTIVELY plotting to kill more Americans. BTW Did you call America stupid?

WELL YOU CAN JUST ....

http://www.itusozluk.com/img.php/fb6fff4200578cf7110c7db70cc1377626755/they%20took%20our%20jobs

GET OUT...

[Kasilis]

WELL YOU CAN JUST ....

http://www.itusozluk.com/img.php/fb6fff4200578cf7110c7db70cc1377626755/they%20took%20our%20jobs

GET OUT...

Redneck?

[Spud]

Redneck?

The last park was a joke, ashimar you can stay if you want

http://rhunekincaid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/905_trashtalkin-3.jpg
its a free country!

[Japan]

obama didna blao up bin laden

panetta knockt down a body double

it waz u *****

[Humerox]

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[quellren]

Wrong again bro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNqIrDKnNE8&feature=player_embedded

The Bankers own the world along with the drug trade. We are protecting drugs.

Mami was built how do you know?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html

You gotta read in between the lines my friends.

Riiiggghhhhttt. Ok then, If we don't give two shits about Bin Laden,and we're there for opium, explain to me why the US would publicly declare him dead, eliminating the only reason to continue operations under even the thinnest guise of legitimacy?

You're so busy 'reading between the lines' that you're missing the actual story.



Bro.

[Hasbinbad]

A lot of you might think poorly of me and my opinions on the military..

However, in this instance, if everything reported has been true, I believe that the proper ratio of intelligence vs firepower was achieved.

If only every military operation could be conducted in such a manner. Intelligence is gathered (through whatever means necessary, including torture; i just wish we would call a duck a duck); a decision is made; and action is taken by the fewest, highly trained people necessary to accomplish the goal.

This land war shit and extended operations is what I don't like honestly. If every operation the US military conducted was a surgical strike to cut off the heads of opposing organizations with a minimum amount of person to person fighting, I believe I could get behind it.

Not that my opinion matters.

[Japan]

adding one more to my shitty hasbinbad posts that i did not read tally

[Rushmore]

Riiiggghhhhttt. Ok then, If we don't give two shits about Bin Laden,and we're there for opium, explain to me why the US would publicly declare him dead, eliminating the only reason to continue operations under even the thinnest guise of legitimacy?

You're so busy 'reading between the lines' that you're missing the actual story.



Bro.

I told you why we declared him dead. Whether true or not. It was done with purpose and reason. The only reason to be there? Well they will always come up with reasons. I believe that our Govt. Is run by people who use the American Military to benefit there interests. We don't stand for anything in the world anymore but a bully. And the world is starting to see this. But its not because of people like you because you really believe that we stand up for freedom etc. Its because of the people behind the curtain lie to us and manipulate so that they can achieve there agenda under the banner of save the world or fight terrorism. I get the story. I've read it before.

[Morlaeth]

WTC = 3000 civilian casualties = osama = mass murder

irak = 100000 civilian casualties = usa = ?

He killed many more than his victims in the WTC attack.

[blammo]

He killed many more than his victims in the WTC attack.

Okay so let us say he kill 10 times more than those who were killed in the WTC attack. That still is a fraction in comparison to the amount of death, misery, and subjugation the United States has caused in the past 10 years. But hey keep drinking the kool-aid. We're there for humanitarian purposes!

[Haul]

The Dollar is crashing. The Presidents Rating where shit literally. They found the bad guy. WTF-ever. Did anyone see a picture? They reported they immediately buried the body in the ocean. WTF?

DONT BELIEVE LIES.

Your retarded bro.

[Haul]

I told you why we declared him dead. Whether true or not. It was done with purpose and reason. The only reason to be there? Well they will always come up with reasons. I believe that our Govt. Is run by people who use the American Military to benefit there interests. We don't stand for anything in the world anymore but a bully. And the world is starting to see this. But its not because of people like you because you really believe that we stand up for freedom etc. Its because of the people behind the curtain lie to us and manipulate so that they can achieve there agenda under the banner of save the world or fight terrorism. I get the story. I've read it before.

Retard.

[Weezard]

You know what's funny? People on message boards who think they matter and actually know anything. Clue yourselves in. You're just a cog in the machine. You don't matter. You'll never matter. Period. Get over yourselves. You think prophesying about whatever conspiracy theory you believe to be true (and may be true) on an internet message board will ever have any impact on this world? You're just a pawn, and that's being generous. Come down to Earth and realize that anything you think or say will have zero impact on this world. Maybe you'll be right about everything you think you know, but at the end of the day nobody will care.

Get up tomorrow and dedicate every original thought you've ever had about the US vs Osama Bin Laden towards something that could actually be beneficial to yourself or this world. Because guess what, Biff? Until you do that, there's not one person here who could give a shit about what you have to say. Thanks.

[wehrmacht]

Anyone spot a pattern here?

“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.” -Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001

Lavon Affair - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where military forces were killed that was never investigated by the Congress."[7]

[U]Who ran security at all three airports involved in the alleged 9/11 hijackings?

ANSWER: ICTS International Huntleigh USA, which is owned by Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon.Both men are Israeli Jews.

ICTS International ran security at Dulles, Logan, and Newark airports on the morning of 9/11. Notably, ICTS was also in charge of airport security when alleged “shoe bomber” Richard Reid boarded his plane in December of 2001.

Who had the contract to run security at the WTC?

ANSWER: Kroll Associates, which is owned by…Jules Kroll, Jewish

Kroll was run by…Jerome Hauer, Jewish

[U]Who quickly shipped all the WTC scrap metal overseas?

ANSWER: Alan D. Ratner’s Metals Management and the SIMS group. Ratner sold over 50,000 tons of steel — evidence from the crime scene — to a Chinese company at $120 per ton, when Ratner had obtained them for $70 per ton. Ratner is Jewish

Who wrote the patently fraudulent 9/11 Commission Report?

Philip Zelikow (Jewish US-Israeli dual citizen)

Notable 9/11 figures

Michael Chertoff - dual citizen of US and Israel, Director of Homeland Security. Co-author of patriot act

Benjamin Chertoff, the first cousin of Michael Chertoff, wrote the 9/11 hit piece in Popular Mechanics debunking “9/11 conspiracy theories.”

Zionist Stephen Cauffman - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.

Richard Perle - also known as the “prince of darkness,” was the Chairman of Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board at the time of 9/11. In the 1970s, Perle was expelled from Sen. Henry Jackson’s office after the NSA caught him passing classified documents to Israel.

Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary and a member of the Defense Policy Board in the Pentagon at the time of 9/11.

Douglas Feith, Headed reconstruction in Iraq. Effectively in command, with Wolfowitz, of War Department on 9-11; Undersecretary of War for Policy. Fired from National Security Council in 1976 due to suspicion of passing classified documents to Israel. “Dual Citizen” of US-Israel.

Created the “Office of Special Plans” shortly after 9/11 which was where all of the fake intelligence accusing Iraq of developing WMD’s and having ties to Al Qaida came from.

Ari Fleischer, White House spokesman for Bush on 9-11; Harlined Iraq WMD lies to the press; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; connected to the extremist group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics

Origin of US intelligence videos on Al Qaeda?

Intel Center - fake “Al Qaida” Pearlman videos are conveniently always obtained first by a U.S gov’t contractor called Intel Center. This company is owned and run by Ben Venzke, a Jew. IntelCenter is an offshoot of of IDEFENSE, which was staffed by senior PSYOP officer, Jim Melnick(Jewish), who worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld for a time. Intel Center is probably getting these “Jihad” videos straight from Mossad HQ in Herzliya, Israel.

Site Intel Group - The director and founder of SITE Intel group is Rita Katz. Her father was a Jewish businessman in Iraq and was sentenced to hanging after being caught SPYING FOR ISRAEL in the 1967 war. After her father was hung, Rita and her mother fled to Israel where she served in the Israeli army, which is compulsory, and went to university in Tel Aviv!

Who was related to one of the “alleged” 9/11 hijackers?

Ziad Jarrah’s cousin, Ali Al Jarrah, was recently discovered by Lebanese authorities of being a Mossad Spy for 25 years.

[purist]

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[Tiggles]

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/b3OCq_SElFU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thank you for that.

[wehrmacht]

Is the video from the 1st or 10th time he was killed

[mitic]

WTC = 3000 civilian casualties = osama = mass murder

irak = 100000 civilian casualties = usa = ?

1) There's no 'K' in Iraq.

2) The vast, vast majority of those "100,000 civilian casualties" were not caused by US or Coalition forces, but by other Iraqis. Also: the word you're looking for is fatalities, not casualties. Casualty refers to both deaths and injuries; fatality refers to deaths.

3) Go suck a fat dick if you feel the need to defend a mass murderer.

looks like ive hit a nerve eh? just keep on slant drilling... oh wait, there is no need for that anymore since iraQ is occupied now

[Gwence]

Celebrating someones death to the extent that has happened here is just another method of how people like to devolve themselves from what a civilization should be progressing towards.

It really makes us no better than al queda. A terrorist is dead, cool. Time to move on.

[JayDee]

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lolololol

[Daldolma]

Celebrating someones death to the extent that has happened here is just another method of how people like to devolve themselves from what a civilization should be progressing towards.

It really makes us no better than al queda. A terrorist is dead, cool. Time to move on.

If civilization means not being able to laugh, cheer, and otherwise be merry when a mass-murderer is put down like the pig he was, then I don't want any part of it. The only regret is that we didn't dress his corpse up like Ronald McDonald and hang him from a male strip club for a couple nights. I guess letting him watch his son get smoked and dumping his body in the ocean was a decent enough alternative, though.

[Taryth]

Celebrating someones death to the extent that has happened here is just another method of how people like to devolve themselves from what a civilization should be progressing towards.

It really makes us no better than al queda. A terrorist is dead, cool. Time to move on.

Someone already beat you to it, bro.


So what do you suggest we do when a national "enemy" is killed? Sit somberly around a fire and have a moment of silence for him? What, exactly, is so wrong about celebrating, indeed, cheering on the death of someone who intentionally contributed to the deaths of thousands of completely non-combatant civilians? Cheering for a malicious bastard's death makes us no better than those who will actively seek to take lives. Haha. That's REALLY funny.

Now you'll come back with "the US killed X citizenry . . .!"

I don't have a response for that. I'm not defending the military or the United States in general. I know we're a fucked up people, but so is every other significantly sized body of people, granted the power to execute (again, not a defense, just an observation.)


And BTW, "to the extent that has happened here?" What, are people holding parades through the streets? Public bbqs and parties specifically for the purpose of celebrating Osama's death? What celebrating have you seen? All I've seen, are people expressing their approval of his death on the Internet. What a huge celebration.

[Chanur]

Anyone spot a pattern here?

“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.” -Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001

Lavon Affair - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where military forces were killed that was never investigated by the Congress."[7]

[U]Who ran security at all three airports involved in the alleged 9/11 hijackings?

ANSWER: ICTS International Huntleigh USA, which is owned by Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon.Both men are Israeli Jews.

ICTS International ran security at Dulles, Logan, and Newark airports on the morning of 9/11. Notably, ICTS was also in charge of airport security when alleged “shoe bomber” Richard Reid boarded his plane in December of 2001.

Who had the contract to run security at the WTC?

ANSWER: Kroll Associates, which is owned by…Jules Kroll, Jewish

Kroll was run by…Jerome Hauer, Jewish

[U]Who quickly shipped all the WTC scrap metal overseas?

ANSWER: Alan D. Ratner’s Metals Management and the SIMS group. Ratner sold over 50,000 tons of steel — evidence from the crime scene — to a Chinese company at $120 per ton, when Ratner had obtained them for $70 per ton. Ratner is Jewish

Who wrote the patently fraudulent 9/11 Commission Report?

Philip Zelikow (Jewish US-Israeli dual citizen)

Notable 9/11 figures

Michael Chertoff - dual citizen of US and Israel, Director of Homeland Security. Co-author of patriot act

Benjamin Chertoff, the first cousin of Michael Chertoff, wrote the 9/11 hit piece in Popular Mechanics debunking “9/11 conspiracy theories.”

Zionist Stephen Cauffman - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.

Richard Perle - also known as the “prince of darkness,” was the Chairman of Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board at the time of 9/11. In the 1970s, Perle was expelled from Sen. Henry Jackson’s office after the NSA caught him passing classified documents to Israel.

Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary and a member of the Defense Policy Board in the Pentagon at the time of 9/11.

Douglas Feith, Headed reconstruction in Iraq. Effectively in command, with Wolfowitz, of War Department on 9-11; Undersecretary of War for Policy. Fired from National Security Council in 1976 due to suspicion of passing classified documents to Israel. “Dual Citizen” of US-Israel.

Created the “Office of Special Plans” shortly after 9/11 which was where all of the fake intelligence accusing Iraq of developing WMD’s and having ties to Al Qaida came from.

Ari Fleischer, White House spokesman for Bush on 9-11; Harlined Iraq WMD lies to the press; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; connected to the extremist group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics

Origin of US intelligence videos on Al Qaeda?

Intel Center - fake “Al Qaida” Pearlman videos are conveniently always obtained first by a U.S gov’t contractor called Intel Center. This company is owned and run by Ben Venzke, a Jew. IntelCenter is an offshoot of of IDEFENSE, which was staffed by senior PSYOP officer, Jim Melnick(Jewish), who worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld for a time. Intel Center is probably getting these “Jihad” videos straight from Mossad HQ in Herzliya, Israel.

Site Intel Group - The director and founder of SITE Intel group is Rita Katz. Her father was a Jewish businessman in Iraq and was sentenced to hanging after being caught SPYING FOR ISRAEL in the 1967 war. After her father was hung, Rita and her mother fled to Israel where she served in the Israeli army, which is compulsory, and went to university in Tel Aviv!

Who was related to one of the “alleged” 9/11 hijackers?

Ziad Jarrah’s cousin, Ali Al Jarrah, was recently discovered by Lebanese authorities of being a Mossad Spy for 25 years.

Maybe Coheed and Cambria will write a song about it.

[Daldolma]

Lulz -- that guy kept talking about black people being genetically inferior to whites, too. The real question is, if whites are superior to blacks based on his "genetic research", then aren't Asians superior to whites? And if Jews are capable of dominating the world order, are they genetically superior-est? Also: how has this idiot not been banned yet?

[Taryth]

Hmm, seems people were going batshit nuts in the streets. I take back a good portion of my words and eat them. I don't watch the news on tv, and don't check the Internet for it often . . .I meant it when I said we're a fucked up people, and I don't need to see any more of the bullshit than I already do.

But at least people weren't going into the streets cheering around here, lol. That's a little weird, it's not a holiday :o

[jilena]

Lulz -- that guy kept talking about black people being genetically inferior to whites, too. The real question is, if whites are superior to blacks based on his "genetic research", then aren't Asians superior to whites? And if Jews are capable of dominating the world order, are they genetically superior-est? Also: how has this idiot not been banned yet?


Everyone knows that the Jews are the master race. I mean seriously.

[Gwence]

If civilization means not being able to laugh, cheer, and otherwise be merry when a mass-murderer is put down like the pig he was, then I don't want any part of it. The only regret is that we didn't dress his corpse up like Ronald McDonald and hang him from a male strip club for a couple nights. I guess letting him watch his son get smoked and dumping his body in the ocean was a decent enough alternative, though.

Do you have a celebration every time a death row inmate gets executed? Maybe we should go back to having public hangings and firing squads, fucking idiot.

You're the poster child for uneducated idiots in this country. Unless you're some high ranking government official or a person in some position to have all the facts you're entire perspective is based off what little amount of information is available in popular news media. There's no way to know if bin laden was even the mastermind behind it all. They had people willing to sacrifice their lives by flying airplanes into buildings what's to say another random persom wasnt willing to sacrifice his life by becoming the face of "terrorism" in the middle east. The dude has been dead since the incident happened, unless you consider existing in caves somewhere in mountains not being able to get within 100 miles of anything remotely resembling civilization, living.

Am I saying bin laden isnt a bad person and shouldnt be held accountable? No, I am not saying that at all. Cheering for death is just adolescent at best, and people should be better than that. Have a moment of silence for the victims, be glad the guy cant terrorize anyone anymore, gain some closure etc. But act like a civilized person.

[Turtles]

Lol okay. You should really stop talking.

#1 - I'm not uneducated; I'm an Ivy League grad currently working on a law degree.

#2 - Haha ok -- so you're pulling the "media information" card? Look, if you want to be a fucking retard and espouse conspiracy theories and claim Osama wasn't responsible for 9/11, fine. I'm going to keep on not being a fucking retard, though.

#3 - You really shouldn't question someone else's education when you're so fucking clueless. Caves and mountains? Not within 100 miles of civilization? The guy was living in a mansion in one of the most affluent areas in Pakistan -- he was 30 miles away from their capital and within 100 yards of their top military academy.

Long story short, you're both arrogant and ignorant, and you should stop telling other people how to feel about the death of a mass murderer. If you want to sit in silence, nod, stroke your beard, and resume listening to Dashboard Confessional, go ahead. I'm going to cheer and laugh and be merry in knowing that a mass murderer got what he deserved. If you want to reserve your excitement for something more important, like dinging, you go ahead.

[Spud]

You know what's funny? People on message boards who think they matter and actually know anything. Clue yourselves in. You're just a cog in the machine. You don't matter. You'll never matter. Period. Get over yourselves. You think prophesying about whatever conspiracy theory you believe to be true (and may be true) on an internet message board will ever have any impact on this world? You're just a pawn, and that's being generous. Come down to Earth and realize that anything you think or say will have zero impact on this world. Maybe you'll be right about everything you think you know, but at the end of the day nobody will care.


I like to think Obama reads my posts in his Situation Room and considers them before making decisions

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[Falisaty]

Okay so let us say he kill 10 times more than those who were killed in the WTC attack. That still is a fraction in comparison to the amount of death, misery, and subjugation the United States has caused in the past 10 years.

if that is the case that we do it to benefit us then y are we shelling out all this money we do not have to REBUILD Said country's.... we have shelled out billions to rebuild Iraq and Afghan infrastructure that we blew apart. WHERE SIR is the aid coming from Al-quita for the attacks they committed on dozens of countries...

we justify what we do by providing support afterwords... they kill to kill and laugh about it, and broadcast the deaths of innocents on TV (ie beheadings on the internet).

and for all of yall calling America unjust and insensitive and we are a bully what would yall call us if we just pull out right now and told the rest of the world deal with it when ever anything else came about as far as global unrest... then we would be insensitive and unjust also because we didn't care about anyone but ourselves. hell we wouldn't be bankrupt anymore because a shit ton of money is spent each year on foreign aid like 1.6 billion sent to help Pakistan hide his ass. Money is better spent paying our dept to china then to send it to countries whining about how unjust and insensitive we are.

rant off flame on... and yes i know i cannot spell or do not use grammar in forums this is not an English class

[Gwence]

Lol okay. You should really stop talking.

#1 - I'm not uneducated; I'm an Ivy League grad currently working on a law degree.



Ivy League is synonymous with naive it would seem, at least in your case. Keep believing everything someone else tells you without question. I'm sure you'll make one hell of an assistant council one day.

[Slathar]

Lol okay. You should really stop talking.

#1 - I'm not uneducated; I'm an Ivy League grad currently working on a law degree.



Attending an Ivy League school has nothing to do with intelligence, but more to do with class and racial status. Your credentials aren't impressive and you sound like a pompous idiot.

Good luck with that law degree. The job market is great for naive 1L internships. Have fun chasing ambulances.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Small aside on the topic here, but:

According to most news outlets, OBL was shot while resisting capture, unarmed. A few things:


* Pretty sure rules of engagement have something to say about things like this, but that's a secondary concern to...

**This man was a most wanted terrorist, a HVT and possibly the most knowing member of the al qaeda terrorist movement. Why wasn't he interrogated?

[Slathar]

Small aside on the topic here, but:

According to most news outlets, OBL was shot while resisting capture, unarmed. A few things:


* Pretty sure rules of engagement have something to say about things like this, but that's a secondary concern to...

**This man was a most wanted terrorist, a HVT and possibly the most knowing member of the al qaeda terrorist movement. Why wasn't he interrogated?

Because you're dealing with the United States who doesn't care about following international protocols or laws? The U.S.A. isn't accountable to the rest of the world. It also has one of the worst human-rights records in existence.

NATO has every reason to bomb Washington D.C. in order to stop a sovereign nation (the United States) from attacking other sovereign nations (Laos, Cambodia, the Balkans, Central America (Contras), Iraq, Panama) the list goes on and on.

This won't happen, because the U.S.A. is the centre of democracy and freedom, though. Right?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Because you're dealing with the United States who doesn't care about following international protocols or laws? The U.S.A. isn't accountable to the rest of the world. It also has one of the worst human-rights records in existence.

NATO has every reason to bomb Washington D.C. in order to stop a sovereign nation (the United States) from attacking other sovereign nations (Laos, Cambodia, the Balkans, Central America (Contras), Iraq, Panama) the list goes on and on.

This won't happen, because the U.S.A. is the centre of democracy and freedom, though. Right?

I'm speaking from self-interest. Assuming motives are to prevent further attacks, and assuming that we went after this guy because he claimed responsibility for the previous attack, it would make sense to interrogate.

[Harrison]

Because you're dealing with the United States who doesn't care about following international protocols or laws? The U.S.A. isn't accountable to the rest of the world. It also has one of the worst human-rights records in existence.

NATO has every reason to bomb Washington D.C. in order to stop a sovereign nation (the United States) from attacking other sovereign nations (Laos, Cambodia, the Balkans, Central America (Contras), Iraq, Panama) the list goes on and on.

This won't happen, because the U.S.A. is the centre of democracy and freedom, though. Right?

Lol I love this kid

[Ennoia]

Because you're dealing with the United States who doesn't care about following international protocols or laws? The U.S.A. isn't accountable to the rest of the world. It also has one of the worst human-rights records in existence.

NATO has every reason to bomb Washington D.C. in order to stop a sovereign nation (the United States) from attacking other sovereign nations (Laos, Cambodia, the Balkans, Central America (Contras), Iraq, Panama) the list goes on and on.

This won't happen, because the U.S.A. is the centre of democracy and freedom, though. Right?

Did someone say Contra????!!!!

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I've heard multiple stories on what happend, the one making the most sense is that there was a firefight, during which Bin Laden was actively firing on US troops, using a woman as a human shield, and had to be taken out.

In regards to being buried at sea, in Islam is it only acceptable to being buried at sea if there is a high risk of the grave being desecrated if they were to be interred on land. In this case, being buried on the moon under 2 miles of concrete wouldn't have kept his grave safe.

It's still pretty fishy (heh) though. When we got Saddam, there were all kinds of pictures and whatever else. Is there some FCC thing we're all missing where a dead body can't be shown on TV?

[Smedy]

It's a hoax, bin ladin totally chillin on the gold coast fuckin pornstars and high fiving now being "dead"

foilhat moar

[Bruno]

I didn't celebrate because whether he's dead or not, we're still going to be in Iraq and Afghan for a very long time. When we are out of there, then I will start sippin' kool-aid.

[Turtles]

Attending an Ivy League school has nothing to do with intelligence, but more to do with class and racial status. Your credentials aren't impressive and you sound like a pompous idiot.

Good luck with that law degree. The job market is great for naive 1L internships. Have fun chasing ambulances.

Lol, someone's jelly. Let me break it down to you like a child.

Firstly, the contention had nothing to do with intelligence. Rather, it was about education. But let me guess: an Ivy League school has nothing to do with education, either -- am I right? I know man, I know. You went to community college because the man wanted to keep you down. But books are just books, anyway. Ivy League doesn't mean anything. Besides, you can totally quad-kite. I get it dude. One day you're breaking out of that McDonald's. Just you wait, world. But in the mean time, do me a favor. Don't forget the ketchup.

And since you're so concerned with intelligence, let's move on to that.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf

SAT scores are highly correlated with both IQ scores and general intelligence. Average SAT score among those admitted to Ivy League schools, undergrad: ~1450/1600. Average SAT score: 1016. And to address your adorable concerns about class-based advantages, the average SAT score for the highest income bracket -- households with annual income of over $200,000 -- was 1142. Meaning even your upper-class college applicants are ~ 300 points short of Ivy League averages. So yes: you need to be smart (read: very, very smart) to be accepted to an Ivy League university. This was obvious to everyone who, you know, reads -- but hey: literacy has got nothing to do with intelligence, either.

To recap: you took a thread that had nothing to do with intelligence and still managed to make yourself look like a dumbass. Keep going, pal. This is going to turn out really well for you. I can feel it.

[Extunarian]

ITT: young ivy league law student activates /defensive

[Slathar]

Lol, someone's jelly. Let me break it down to you like a child.

Firstly, the contention had nothing to do with intelligence. Rather, it was about education. But let me guess: an Ivy League school has nothing to do with education, either -- am I right? I know man, I know. You went to community college because the man wanted to keep you down. But books are just books, anyway. Ivy League doesn't mean anything. Besides, you can totally quad-kite. I get it dude. One day you're breaking out of that McDonald's. Just you wait, world. But in the mean time, do me a favor. Don't forget the ketchup.

And since you're so concerned with intelligence, let's move on to that.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf

SAT scores are highly correlated with both IQ scores and general intelligence. Average SAT score among those admitted to Ivy League schools, undergrad: ~1450/1600. Average SAT score: 1016. And to address your adorable concerns about class-based advantages, the average SAT score for the highest income bracket -- households with annual income of over $200,000 -- was 1142. Meaning even your upper-class college applicants are ~ 300 points short of Ivy League averages. So yes: you need to be smart (read: very, very smart) to be accepted to an Ivy League university. This was obvious to everyone who, you know, reads -- but hey: literacy has got nothing to do with intelligence, either.

To recap: you took a thread that had nothing to do with intelligence and still managed to make yourself look like a dumbass. Keep going, pal. This is going to turn out really well for you. I can feel it.

tl;dr

[Turtles]

Didn't think so.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Ivy League is a sham, you're paying for the selectiveness and prestige that is tagged on your degree upon graduation... Which makes it kind of funny since many of the top 20 schools in academia are not Ivy League schools. It's just kinda odd that you talk-up these schools with such conviction but somehow become completely oblivious to the $27 billion endowments that Harvard obtains to continue it's selective process or the "1450/1600" that it is requiring.

[Turtles]

Ivy League is a sham, you're paying for the selectiveness and prestige that is tagged on your degree upon graduation... Which makes it kind of funny since many of the top 20 schools in academia are not Ivy League schools. It's just kinda odd that you talk-up these schools with such conviction but somehow become completely oblivious to the $27 billion endowments that Harvard obtains to continue it's selective process or the "1450/1600" that it is requiring.

You're going to have to be a little more detailed in your argument. What's your point? That Ivy League degrees are mostly about the prestige? Yes -- that is correct. Which leads to greater starting salary and long-term income. In addition to the fact that the Ivy League schools provide the best undergraduate educations in the United States. Education also leads to greater starting salaries and long-term income. So it's two-fold.

And distinguishing between the top schools in the country and Ivy League schools is meaningless. They're all the same. Ivy League is shorthand. All 8 of the Ivy League schools are currently rated in the top 15 by US News. The other 8 (two schools are tied @ #15), in descending order, are: Stanford, Caltech, MIT, Duke, University of Chicago, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and Washington University in St. Louis.

The selectivity, cost, and prestige of attending any of those schools is comparable to that of the Ivy Leagues, with some of the non-Ivies surpassing certain Ivies in all of the above: selectivity, cost, and prestige. It's not like you're paying a premium for Ivy League. You're paying a premium for the best of the best, whether or not it is Ivy League.

If you want to talk about the best public option, it's Berkeley. Which is also extremely expensive for non-California residents.

[wehrmacht]

Lulz -- that guy kept talking about black people being genetically inferior to whites, too. The real question is, if whites are superior to blacks based on his "genetic research", then aren't Asians superior to whites? And if Jews are capable of dominating the world order, are they genetically superior-est?

Dominating the world has nothing to do with intelligence. It's all about collectivism, which is why you see white Americans constantly sinking in status while other ethnic groups practicing severe racial nepotism are becoming your managers and you, their slaves.

Anytime you turn on the TV, all you see is constant spam about how diversity is good. They have all these groups talking about what's in the best collective interests for Africans, Mexicans, Jews, Native Americans, etc. Guess what's missing out of this equation? White people.

They have told you that you can't be racist unless you're white and you're not allowed to look out for your own collective, self interest because that would be racist as well. Meanwhile, every other group on earth goes about business as usual doing the exact opposite.

Multiculturalism and political correctness are used as a weapon to destroy the ruling class of people that built the country. They prey on what most people consider good qualities such as empathy and use it against you as a guilt trip in order to conquer you. They conveniently leave out the part about one man's multiculturalism being another man's genocide.

This is all basic, divide and conquer strategy.

[Daldolma]

Dominating the world has nothing to do with intelligence. It's all about collectivism, which is why you see white Americans constantly sinking in status while other ethnic groups practicing severe racial nepotism are becoming your managers and you, their slaves.

Anytime you turn on the TV, all you see is constant spam about how diversity is good. They have all these groups talking about what's in the best collective interests for Africans, Mexicans, Jews, Native Americans, etc. Guess what's missing out of this equation? White people.

They have told you that you can't be racist unless you're white and you're not allowed to look out for your own collective, self interest because that would be racist as well. Meanwhile, every other group on earth goes about business as usual doing the exact opposite.

Multiculturalism and political correctness are used as a weapon to destroy the ruling class of people that built the country. They prey on what most people consider good qualities such as empathy and use it against you as a guilt trip in order to conquer you. They conveniently leave out the part about one man's multiculturalism being another man's genocide.

This is all basic, divide and conquer strategy.

You're seeing a whole team of psychologists, aren't you?

[Japan]

lol @ libarts ivy leaguer conflating starting salary with intelligence and success.

come back when you've done anything but ride the coattails of your above-average high school performance and have proven you can do intellectual heavy lifting a real field. Until then, thank your lucky fucking stars we live in a society with a exaggerated enough division of labor that it manages to support an entire class of empty suits stuffed with cash and degrees with words like "jewish studies" on them.

[Ozudin]

Lol, someone's jelly. Let me break it down to you like a child.

Firstly, the contention had nothing to do with intelligence. Rather, it was about education. But let me guess: an Ivy League school has nothing to do with education, either -- am I right? I know man, I know. You went to community college because the man wanted to keep you down. But books are just books, anyway. Ivy League doesn't mean anything. Besides, you can totally quad-kite. I get it dude. One day you're breaking out of that McDonald's. Just you wait, world. But in the mean time, do me a favor. Don't forget the ketchup.

And since you're so concerned with intelligence, let's move on to that.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf

SAT scores are highly correlated with both IQ scores and general intelligence. Average SAT score among those admitted to Ivy League schools, undergrad: ~1450/1600. Average SAT score: 1016. And to address your adorable concerns about class-based advantages, the average SAT score for the highest income bracket -- households with annual income of over $200,000 -- was 1142. Meaning even your upper-class college applicants are ~ 300 points short of Ivy League averages. So yes: you need to be smart (read: very, very smart) to be accepted to an Ivy League university. This was obvious to everyone who, you know, reads -- but hey: literacy has got nothing to do with intelligence, either.

To recap: you took a thread that had nothing to do with intelligence and still managed to make yourself look like a dumbass. Keep going, pal. This is going to turn out really well for you. I can feel it.

I don't have a college degree, and never will more than likely. I'm still smart enough to tell your a fucking prick though. I don't care if you end up making ten times more than I do, you are still obviously failing at life.

[Extunarian]

Alternatively:

lol @ libarts ivy leaguer thinking he's going to prove anything to anyone in the rants and flames section of a niche video game message board


Some things they just can't teach you in school.

[Japan]

we could change the world, man

[Turtles]

lol @ libarts ivy leaguer conflating starting salary with intelligence and success.

come back when you've done anything but ride the coattails of your above-average high school performance and have proven you can do intellectual heavy lifting a real field. Until then, thank your lucky fucking stars we live in a society with a exaggerated enough division of labor that it manages to support an entire class of empty suits stuffed with cash and degrees with words like "jewish studies" on them.

Er, there was no conflation. If you're going to talk about intellectual heavy-lifting, at least do some intellectual push-ups to warm yourself up. You know, simple stuff. Like reading the posts you're responding to. If you did that, you'd have realized that any discussion regarding starting salary had nothing to do with intelligence, and the nebulous concept of "success" was never discussed at all. Have no fear: I'll help.

Point A: Ivy League has nothing to do with intelligence.
Counter-point: Ivy League requirement: average SAT scores >/= 1450. SAT score shows very high correlation to IQ tests, general intelligence tests.

Point B: Ivy League is a sham; it's all about prestige, selectivity.
Counter-point: Partially correct. Prestige = higher starting salary, higher long-term income. But it's also about education. Better, higher education = higher starting salary, higher long-term income.

Do not conflate the points.

[Cyrano]

What is "racial status"?

[Turtles]

What is "racial status"?

Michael Jackson took that one to the grave.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Er, there was no conflation. If you're going to talk about intellectual heavy-lifting, at least do some intellectual push-ups to warm yourself up. You know, simple stuff. Like reading the posts you're responding to. If you did that, you'd have realized that any discussion regarding starting salary had nothing to do with intelligence, and the nebulous concept of "success" was never discussed at all. Have no fear: I'll help.

Point A: Ivy League has nothing to do with intelligence.
Counter-point: Ivy League requirement: average SAT scores >/= 1450. SAT score shows very high correlation to IQ tests, general intelligence tests.

Point B: Ivy League is a sham; it's all about prestige, selectivity.
Counter-point: Partially correct. Prestige = higher starting salary, higher long-term income. But it's also about education. Better, higher education = higher starting salary, higher long-term income.

Do not conflate the points.

I would consider you someone who was intelligent at one point in his life, but seeing as you're majoring in law the extent of your intellect will be wasted bailing out some Fortune 500 when they get caught cooking the books. Regardless of what your SAT score was, or what prestigious school you've managed to squirm your way into, when all is said in done you're miring everything you learned to exploit money out of written law.

Congrats bro at your sub-standard ethical integrity, which is fairly apparent by your narcissistic need to boast your school's Alma mater as some intellectual triumph

[Turtles]

I would consider you someone who was intelligent at one point in his life, but seeing as you're majoring in law the extent of your intellect will be wasted bailing out some Fortune 500 when they get caught cooking the books. Regardless of what your SAT score was, or what prestigious school you've managed to squirm your way into, when all is said in done you're miring everything you learned to exploit money out of written law.

Congrats bro at your sub-standard ethical integrity, which is fairly apparent by your narcissistic need to boast your school's Alma mater as some intellectual triumph

Haha, I'm not boasting. Someone refused to accept happiness over Osama's death, claiming that anyone happy about it must be -- and I quote -- "uneducated". All I said was that I graduated from an Ivy League university and am currently attending law school. Clearly, I am educated. It's not debatable, it's not boastful, it's not arrogant. It's just a fact. A couple people still went ape-shit over it, though. I'm playing defense, not puffing my chest. If you don't think it's worth it, good for you -- don't attend. I'm not sending out pamphlets. All I'm doing is pointing out that some/all of the criticisms thus far have been flatly untrue.

As to the morality of being a lawyer, whatever. If you don't want to be one, don't be one. But if you ever get wrongfully arrested or sued, I suggest you hire one.

[purist]

SAT score shows very high correlation to parental income.

Fixed

[Spud]

I dunno, most of the kids who seemed smart in my highschool did well on the SATs, and the kids who seemed like morons did poorly. I dont see what parental income had to do with it since my highscool was public. I feel like i have average intelligence and i did average on it. I took an SAT class and studied a bit and raised my score by 60 points, still got a pretty average score.

As for the Ivy league thing, the smartest person I know went to Harvard. Are we arguing that in general people who go to Ivy league AREN'T smarter than those who don't? Then i'm siding with Mr. Turtles here.

just my anecdotal 2 cents

[JayDee]

I graduated 2.4 GPA from Compton Community College

[JayDee]

Was at the top of my class every semester

[Turtles]

I dunno, most of the kids who seemed smart in my highschool did well on the SATs, and the kids who seemed like morons did poorly. I dont see what parental income had to do with it since my highscool was public. I feel like i have average intelligence and i did average on it. I took an SAT class and studied a bit and raised my score by 60 points, still got a pretty average score.

As for the Ivy league thing, the smartest person I know went to Harvard. Are we arguing that in general people who go to Ivy league AREN'T smarter than those who don't? Then i'm siding with Mr. Turtles here.

just my anecdotal 2 cents

That's really all I'm saying. And I wasn't even saying that, to begin. Someone claimed that all celebratory emotion directed at Osama's death is based on being uneducated. My point was only that I'm both educated and happy that he's dead. That's it. At some point in the thread, it apparently became necessary to be educated to have a legitimate opinion on the subject. So I was providing my qualification.

At that point, someone felt the need to tell me that attending an Ivy League college has, and I quote, "nothing to do with intelligence" -- which, of course, is false. Cue anger.

[sero]

I dont see what parental income had to do with it

The correlation between parental income and SAT score is much more formidable than that between IQ test score and SAT score.

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/sat.shtml#income

[Japan]

As to the morality of being a lawyer, whatever. If you don't want to be one, don't be one. But if you ever get wrongfully arrested or sued, I suggest you hire one.

Sure thing pal I'll call you up if I ever need a judge bribed out of a no-victim drug charge. Since I casually decided I just "don't want to be" a member of the most disgraceful bottomfeeding shitheeled part of our broken justice system when I was planning my life, I guess I have no choice but to be grateful there are evil cunts like you out there to take Ivy League opportunity and transmute it into another piece of the State.

[Turtles]

The correlation between parental income and SAT score is much more formidable than that between IQ test score and SAT score.

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/sat.shtml#income

It's actually not. The correlation between SAT score and the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery is 0.86. The correlation between SAT score and Raven's Advanced Progressive Matrices is 0.72. The correlation between SAT score and Mill Hill Vocabulary Scales is 0.68 for combined SAT score, 0.71 for Verbal SAT score.

In the link you posted, the correlation between parental income and SAT score is projected between 0.25 and 0.40.

[Harrison]

Sure thing pal I'll call you up if I ever need a judge bribed out of a no-victim drug charge. Since I casually decided I just "don't want to be" a member of the most disgraceful bottomfeeding shitheeled part of our broken justice system when I was planning my life, I guess I have no choice but to be grateful there are evil cunts like you out there to take Ivy League opportunity and transmute it into another piece of the State.

Lol addicts, umadbro?

[Turtles]

Sure thing pal I'll call you up if I ever need a judge bribed out of a no-victim drug charge. Since I casually decided I just "don't want to be" a member of the most disgraceful bottomfeeding shitheeled part of our broken justice system when I was planning my life, I guess I have no choice but to be grateful there are evil cunts like you out there to take Ivy League opportunity and transmute it into another piece of the State.

Jesus. Bitter much? If you hate everyone with a law degree, you've got a pretty long list.

And if you've got a problem with the State, move. I hear the laws in Angola are pretty lax.

[Japan]

I dunno, most of the kids who seemed smart in my highschool did well on the SATs, and the kids who seemed like morons did poorly. I dont see what parental income had to do with it since my highscool was public. I feel like i have average intelligence and i did average on it. I took an SAT class and studied a bit and raised my score by 60 points, still got a pretty average score.

As for the Ivy league thing, the smartest person I know went to Harvard. Are we arguing that in general people who go to Ivy league AREN'T smarter than those who don't? Then i'm siding with Mr. Turtles here.

just my anecdotal 2 cents

it's so cute when people don't realize they're white noise

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Turtle's main argument:


Someone says only uneducated people celebrate publicly over the death of Osama Bin Laden
Turtle proceeds to drop his college SAT scores and ivy league education in a fit of subtle narcissism
Turtle attempts to belittle the other posters by showing how he'll soon be some super cool corporate lawyer chillin' on yachts, tradin' stocks
Turtle is somehow rich/smart/successful enough to go ivy league and pass with a 2.8 GPA, but dumb enough to boast about his merits on an emulator message board

[Turtles]

Mmm... not quite.

You have no idea what my SAT score was. I never said.

I never said I'd be a corporate lawyer, or even a lawyer at all.

And you have no idea how rich I am, nor what my GPA was as an undergraduate. Again, I never said.

For a boastful narcissist, I'm awfully reticent with details. People see "Ivy League" and go nuts. If I said University of Alabama, would you be having this reaction? Functionally speaking, it wouldn't have made any difference.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Mmm... not quite.

You have no idea what my SAT score was. I never said.

I never said I'd be a corporate lawyer, or even a lawyer at all.

And you have no idea how rich I am, nor what my GPA was as an undergraduate. Again, I never said.

For a boastful narcissist, I'm awfully reticent with details. People see "Ivy League" and go nuts. If I said University of Alabama, would you be having this reaction? Functionally speaking, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Come at me bro

[Splooie]

somebody hipster-woodelf this guy asap

[Falisaty]

I graduated 2.4 GPA from Compton Community College Was at the top of my class every semester

your rents must be proud

[Gwence]

Haha, I'm not boasting. Someone refused to accept happiness over Osama's death, claiming that anyone happy about it must be -- and I quote -- "uneducated". All I said was that I graduated from an Ivy League university and am currently attending law school. Clearly, I am educated. It's not debatable, it's not boastful, it's not arrogant. It's just a fact. A couple people still went ape-shit over it, though. I'm playing defense, not puffing my chest. If you don't think it's worth it, good for you -- don't attend. I'm not sending out pamphlets. All I'm doing is pointing out that some/all of the criticisms thus far have been flatly untrue.


Show me where I refused to "accept happiness" (phrase doesnt even make sense) I said it's stupid to cheer like you just won the lottery because someone is dead. The uneducated remark was in reference to the people that just accept whatever is told to them from TV etc without thinking critically about it and understanding their is 2 sides to every story.

It's clear your reading comprehension skills are non existent, but fear not, I do believe that most law schools teach that in the 3rd year. I do feel a little bad that your Ivy League school failed you so terribly.

[Turtles]

Show me where I refused to "accept happiness" (phrase doesnt even make sense) I said it's stupid to cheer like you just won the lottery because someone is dead. The uneducated remark was in reference to the people that just accept whatever is told to them from TV etc without thinking critically about it and understanding their is 2 sides to every story.

It's clear your reading comprehension skills are non existent, but fear not, I do believe that most law schools teach that in the 3rd year. I do feel a little bad that your Ivy League school failed you so terribly.

Lulz. Learn English.

And no, there aren't two sides to every story. Take your 9/11 conspiracy theory horseshit elsewhere.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

And no, there aren't two sides to every story. Take your 9/11 conspiracy theory horseshit elsewhere.

That is history 101, and you should've learned that in your core electives... It is even more troubling how you don't believe there are "two sides to every story" yet you're in law school which any attorney worth his salt will try and push his clients story as fact, even against what the prosecutor and evidence says in contrary.

To further explain the two sides...

In America the revolutionary war was considered "freedom fighting" in England it's written down as lawlessness which is paramount to terrorism, which would be a perfect example of having two sides to the same story.

In otherwords, drop your Ivy League education and go back to highschool because you missed some key points here and there.

[Tombom]

Wow guys

[Haul]

Wow guys

lmao

[Gwence]

Lulz. Learn English.

And no, there aren't two sides to every story. Take your 9/11 conspiracy theory horseshit elsewhere.

jeez I graduated from arizona state, and I feel sorry for you


IVYYY LEAGUEEE YEAAAAAAA

[wehrmacht]

And no, there aren't two sides to every story. Take your 9/11 conspiracy theory horseshit elsewhere.

How exactly would you know anything about 9/11? Your only knowledge of the event is a video of a plane flying into a building. Everything else you claim about 9/11 is based around your assumption that it's not possible for a government intelligence agency or TV network to lie to you.

No matter what story you believe, the majority of people walking the earth are unable to back up their claim due to the limited data on the subject available to them. You are choosing between two conspiracy theories. Those are the facts.

Some of the only objective data available on the subject are things like the amount of time it took building 7 to collapse.

NIST originally claimed the building took 40% longer than free fall speed to collapse. Physics teacher David Chandler measured the actual speed being within 1% of free fall speed.

His youtube video showing the free fall measurements: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_8783&v=rVCDpL4Ax7I&feature=iv

So yea, there aren't two sides to every story, otherwise objective reality would back up both sides of the story but it doesn't.

[naez]

wehrmacht i've found it isn't even worth the energy to educate the sheep, they enjoy being fleeced up the pin to the slaughter

[wehrmacht]

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/236/showdees.jpg

[Turtles]

That is history 101, and you should've learned that in your core electives... It is even more troubling how you don't believe there are "two sides to every story" yet you're in law school which any attorney worth his salt will try and push his clients story as fact, even against what the prosecutor and evidence says in contrary.

To further explain the two sides...

In America the revolutionary war was considered "freedom fighting" in England it's written down as lawlessness which is paramount to terrorism, which would be a perfect example of having two sides to the same story.

In otherwords, drop your Ivy League education and go back to highschool because you missed some key points here and there.

Jesus Christ, are you kidding me? The Revolutionary War? Dude, I'm playing chess and you're playing Connect-4. You haven't even graduated to checkers yet. I understand that you're a smart enough guy, but I'm not some idiot hipster you ran into at IHOP -- step your game up. Do you think that's some profound point you just made? The comparison between "terrorists" and "freedom fighters" is made every fucking day. And guess what? It's not two sides to a story. It's two interpretations of the same story.

American colonists: We dumped some motherfucking tea in the motherfucking harbor.
British: They dumped some motherfucking tea in the motherfucking harbor.

Same story. The difference was how that act was interpreted. There is no dispute over the fact that the tea was dumped.

Similarly,

Al Qaeda: We flew some motherfucking planes into some motherfucking buildings.
US: Al Qaeda flew some motherfucking planes into some motherfucking buildings.

Same story.

And you obviously don't know dick about being a lawyer. Pushing your client's argument as fact, when the opposition has overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is the #1 way to put your client in jail, or lose a case. The easiest thing in the world is to prove someone is lying or their story is false. You weren't in 7/11 at 9:28 PM on the night of July 2nd, 2010? Oh, that's funny -- here's security footage of you, in 7/11. And here's security footage of your car, with your license plate, parked outside. At that point, nothing anyone else says matters. You've lost, because the assumption is that if you're lying, there's a reason. You're also no longer trustworthy in the eyes of the Court.

What you do is poke holes in the evidence and try to raise reasonable doubt over whether or not the evidence proves anything with 100% certainty. If your client says he didn't have 8 pounds of cocaine on him, and two cops say he did, your client is fucked. If you try to argue he didn't, your client is even more fucked. The best you can do is question how they can be 100% certain it was actually his (ie: was it in the trunk? Under a car seat? Could've been stashed by someone else), or attack the search procedures, ie: was he illegally searched?

You're welcome.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Jesus Christ, are you kidding me? The Revolutionary War? Dude, I'm playing chess and you're playing Connect-4. You haven't even graduated to checkers yet. I understand that you're a smart enough guy, but I'm not some idiot hipster you ran into at IHOP -- step your game up. Do you think that's some profound point you just made? The comparison between "terrorists" and "freedom fighters" is made every fucking day. And guess what? It's not two sides to a story. It's two interpretations of the same story.

American colonists: We dumped some motherfucking tea in the motherfucking harbor.
British: They dumped some motherfucking tea in the motherfucking harbor.

Same story. The difference was how that act was interpreted. There is no dispute over the fact that the tea was dumped.

Similarly,

Al Qaeda: We flew some motherfucking planes into some motherfucking buildings.
US: Al Qaeda flew some motherfucking planes into some motherfucking buildings.

Same story.

And you obviously don't know dick about being a lawyer. Pushing your client's argument as fact, when the opposition has overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is the #1 way to put your client in jail, or lose a case. The easiest thing in the world is to prove someone is lying or their story is false. You weren't in 7/11 at 9:28 PM on the night of July 2nd, 2010? Oh, that's funny -- here's security footage of you, in 7/11. And here's security footage of your car, with your license plate, parked outside. At that point, nothing anyone else says matters. You've lost, because the assumption is that if you're lying, there's a reason. You're also no longer trustworthy in the eyes of the Court.

What you do is poke holes in the evidence and try to raise reasonable doubt over whether or not the evidence proves anything with 100% certainty. If your client says he didn't have 8 pounds of cocaine on him, and two cops say he did, your client is fucked. If you try to argue he didn't, your client is even more fucked. The best you can do is question how they can be 100% certain it was actually his (ie: was it in the trunk? Under a car seat? Could've been stashed by someone else), or attack the search procedures, ie: was he illegally searched?

You're welcome.

Holy semantics Batman!


Let's say "different interpretation" instead of "two sides". let's say "poking holes in evidence" instead of "blurring the truth"

You're coming at me with paragraphs twisting words to suit your argument, we all know lawyers, police officers, judges and prosecutors are lying, extorting pieces of shit, we also know there will always be two sides of every story because it's a moniker for interpretation and anytime you deal with a dispute there will always be several different "views" depending on whom you ask.

You're just raging, and for the sake of arguing.... semantics

[Japan]

damn turtle abacab's wrecking you, even without a million dollar education in arguing bullshit. Where's that godly intellect that earned you a spot in the ivory tower?

[Bloodshot]

Turtles you prove a good point, but Abacab has you got you there.

Basically, ask yourself;

Is there two sides to every story

or

One side with two interpretations.

If you had to even answer that question, you fail. Interpretations are representations of a story, thus naturally creating 1, 2, 3 sides etc. They're one in the same.

If you really want to get that philisophical and test the nature of my allegation, go ahead. Its completley subjective at this point and near impossible to argue.

[Bloodshot]

Just realized that was completely pointless, my bad.

Go ahead and continue on with the intellectual ridicule.

[wehrmacht]

He skipped my post and went for the soft target, abacab.

I don't even know why you're bringing up the legal system. This argument is objective vs subjective reality.

[Gwence]

And guess what? It's not two sides to a story. It's two interpretations of the same story.



You're welcome.

Sorry I'm failing to see any difference between those two phrases. A person's interpretation is their "side" or perspective. Nice try with the word manipulation though, maybe your career as a lawyer has some small measure of potential.

[Turtles]

Sorry I'm failing to see any difference between those two phrases. A person's interpretation is their "side" or perspective. Nice try with the word manipulation though, maybe your career as a lawyer has some small measure of potential.

You don't see a difference? That's not surprising. You're an idiot.

The "perspectives" of 9/11, on both the US and Al Qaeda sides, involve Al Qaeda flying planes into buildings with the intent to kill civilians. As many as possible. Both sides agree that Al Qaeda was responsible for the events of 9/11. There's no debate from either "side" over what happened. The only difference of opinion is over the context of the attacks -- not the attacks themselves.

There's no "side" that DOESN'T make Osama a mass murderer.

[wehrmacht]

Both sides agree that Al Qaeda was responsible for the events of 9/11. There's no debate from either "side" over what happened.

Sorry but that's completely false. Bin Laden denied being responsible September 16, 2001:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US

[Extunarian]

Sorry but that's completely false. Bin Laden denied being responsible September 16, 2001:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US

You have to be trolling. He initially denied it but then took credit. I remember he finally admitted to it right before the Bush/Kerry election because it gave Bush an opening to hammer the 9/11 drum even harder for the last few weeks.

[Turtles]

He skipped my post and went for the soft target, abacab.

I don't even know why you're bringing up the legal system. This argument is objective vs subjective reality.

He posted first -- you've got to wait your turn.

And no, my opinion isn't based on disbelief over the concept of the media or the government lying to me. The government lies all the time. My opinion is based on a historical understanding of fact reporting and conspiracy theories. For a conspiracy theory to be effective, there have to be a very limited number of perpetrators. The more people "in on it", the more unlikely the conspiracy -- and the more likely it is for the conspiracy to be uncovered.

Outside of every major news network and every major political figure -- both Democrat and Republican -- here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards and Technology, Popular Mechanics magazine, the 9/11 Commission Report, Noam Chomsky, MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar, Bill Moyers, and most of the Civil Engineering department at BYU. That's what I uncovered in, oh, 5 minutes. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds more.

For there to be a conspiracy theory, all of these people would have to be in on it. There is not one legitimate, mainstream organization that a) is in a position to know, and b) has come out and supported the legitimacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories. You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.

[Theldios]

You have to be trolling. He initially denied it but then took credit. I remember he finally admitted to it right before the Bush/Kerry election because it gave Bush an opening to hammer the 9/11 drum even harder for the last few weeks.

Yes he did admit to it

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.
source
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html

[Gwence]

The "perspectives" of 9/11, on both the US and Al Qaeda sides, involve Al Qaeda flying planes into buildings with the intent to kill civilians. As many as possible. Both sides agree that Al Qaeda was responsible for the events of 9/11. There's no debate from either "side" over what happened. The only difference of opinion is over the context of the attacks -- not the attacks themselves.

the 2 phrases are still the same thing lol

I doubt the act of killing people in large amounts was the motivation behind the 9/11 attacks. I'd wager it was more along the lines of taking a chunk out of our economic trade security and government (one plane was headed for the pentagon). They aren't stupid, anyone can kill people. I'd bet their planning was based on how best they could cripple the country as a whole with what they had. I'm sure taking out as many people as possible was factored in, but if that was their only objective they probably would've been more successful flying planes into sold out sporting events or concerts etc.

Notice Im not speaking in absolutes, I very well could be wrong. Unlike you I can accept that I do not have all the facts and therefore can't speak in anything but opinion. Continue to be as naive as you possibly can, I wont stop you!

[Extunarian]

tons of text

You must have a pretty light course load...

[Turtles]

the 2 phrases are still the same thing lol

No, they're not -- lol.

Alright, this is going to be my last response to you. Abacab and Wehrmacht can at least respond. I have to slow things down word by word to even get you to follow. Here we go, buckle your helmet on and read slowly:

Context. Is. Irrelevant. To. The. Matter. Of. Whether. Or. Not. Bin. Laden. Is. Responsible. For. Murdering. Thousands. Of. Innocent. People. On. September. Eleventh. 2001.

Whether the Al Qaeda side of the story involves us raping their land, Muhammad thinking we're kind of gay, or Osama just being in a shitty mood that day, everyone -- read: the US government and Al Qaeda -- has agreed that:

a) Al Qaeda, with bin Laden as its leader, perpetrated the attacks of 9/11.
b) Thousands of innocent people died in the attacks.

Thus: Osama is a mass murderer.

Just sit tight for a couple minutes. Let it swirl around. Stop chasing shiny objects. Shit will settle soon.

[Turtles]

Sorry but that's completely false. Bin Laden denied being responsible September 16, 2001:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US

Eh, people have beaten me to it, but I'll respond anyway.

It's not completely false. It's completely true. See the links posted by others.

[wehrmacht]

here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards

Perhaps you missed my earlier post. Just about every single person you cited as so called "evidence" is an arab hating, neocon Zionist who would love nothing more than for the US to invade every muslim country on earth for them. These are all war mongering propagandists and you claim they're actually credible.

- Stephen Cauffman, Jewish Neocon Zionist - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.


Popular Mechanics magazine

Benjamin Chertoff - Jewish Neocon Zionist, the first cousin of Michael Chertoff, wrote the 9/11 hit piece in Popular Mechanics debunking “9/11 conspiracy theories.”

Michael Chertoff - Jewish Neocon Zionist, dual citizen of US and Israel, Director of Homeland Security. Co-author of patriot act


the 9/11 Commission Report

Philip Zelikow (Jewish US-Israeli dual citizen) - wrote blatantly false 9/11 commission report


Noam Chomsky

After being cornered on this issue for the 1000th time, eventually Noam Chomsky said "it doesn't even matter if 9/11 was a staged event", it's on video tape, you can look it up yourself. Also, why are you naming only Jewish people like they would actually be unbiased and credible on this issue?


MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar

And guess what, here's an MIT engineer Jeff King saying the exact opposite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCLHL5iToJ8


You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.

It already has leaked out. For some reason you seem to think something can only be true if every neocon Zionist on earth tells you it's a fact.

[moklianne]

About 6 or 8 months ago, I saw an interview where a top CIA official was asked directly when the last credible evidence was found concerning Bin Laden's whereabouts. He said flat out, its been almost 2 years since they had a location or any real leads. He said the trail just went cold.

Here's my speculation (take it for that):

I personally feel that he was killed a few of years ago, but in order to purpetrate continuing wars in the middle east, they didn't say a thing. Remember, George W was in office. Since then, we have increased our forces in Afganistan.

Now, as a campaign promise, Obama said he would start pulling troops out of the middle east. He let the lie go on just long enough to get the troop buildups where he wanted them. Now he wants to start slowly pulling them out over the next few years. What better way to start this off than to show the world that we are winning the war on terror. What's a better symbol of that than killing Osama?

Besides the fact that he can use this during the upcoming campaign. I don't understand why people say Obama or George W is responsible for finding and killing him. I wonder if people actually realize how government works...the joint cheifs come in and say, "hey, we think we found osama bin laden, this is the plan we recommend." or "hey we need these resources, actions to find osama, do you approve or disapprove?"

Its the people on the ground, and those going up the military ranks that make the real difference.

[Turtles]

Haha Jesus man -- are you seriously that anti-Semitic? You really think they've got a massive conspiracy for global domination running? Do you even know any Jews? Most Jews I know are left-leaning hippies that would rather legalize marijuana than visit Israel. I honestly can't even take the argument seriously. You point to a dozen Jews and say "boom, conspiracy." You can do that with anything, anywhere, with any ethnicity.

[moklianne]

He posted first -- you've got to wait your turn.

And no, my opinion isn't based on disbelief over the concept of the media or the government lying to me. The government lies all the time. My opinion is based on a historical understanding of fact reporting and conspiracy theories. For a conspiracy theory to be effective, there have to be a very limited number of perpetrators. The more people "in on it", the more unlikely the conspiracy -- and the more likely it is for the conspiracy to be uncovered.

Outside of every major news network and every major political figure -- both Democrat and Republican -- here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards and Technology, Popular Mechanics magazine, the 9/11 Commission Report, Noam Chomsky, MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar, Bill Moyers, and most of the Civil Engineering department at BYU. That's what I uncovered in, oh, 5 minutes. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds more.

For there to be a conspiracy theory, all of these people would have to be in on it. There is not one legitimate, mainstream organization that a) is in a position to know, and b) has come out and supported the legitimacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories. You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.

Coast to Coast AM aired probably the best debate I have ever heard on the subject:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/08/21

[Lazortag]

<Giegue> I just had tandoori chicken and nachos
<wehrmacht> I'm raping noobs in the bin laden thread

Wehrmacht, you are completely full of shit. You found one or two jews (not even zionists) who works with a particular organizatino so you assumed that the entire organization must no longer be credible. Seriously, you think that popular mechanics has no credibility because a few people who might be biased work with them? What I find more hilarious than anything is the circular logic in your post; for example:


- Stephen Cauffman, Jewish Neocon Zionist - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.

Let me get this straight. One of the premises of your argument is that tower 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition. There is a source which claims the opposite. So to prove that this source is not credible, you are using the fact that one of the people associated with it believes that tower 7 was not brought down by a controlled demolition.

[Lazortag]

Edit: Sorry, the first part is supposed to say:

[Giegue] I just had tandoori chicken and nachos
[Wehrmacht] I'm raping noobs in the bin laden thread

This was from the #p99 IRC channel where wehrmacht was bragging about this thread, and I was bragging about my lunch, but the forums don't register "<" ">" tags very well.

[Gwence]

No, they're not -- lol.

Alright, this is going to be my last response to you. Abacab and Wehrmacht can at least respond. I have to slow things down word by word to even get you to follow. Here we go, buckle your helmet on and read slowly:

Context. Is. Irrelevant. To. The. Matter. Of. Whether. Or. Not. Bin. Laden. Is. Responsible. For. Murdering. Thousands. Of. Innocent. People. On. September. Eleventh. 2001.

Whether the Al Qaeda side of the story involves us raping their land, Muhammad thinking we're kind of gay, or Osama just being in a shitty mood that day, everyone -- read: the US government and Al Qaeda -- has agreed that:

a) Al Qaeda, with bin Laden as its leader, perpetrated the attacks of 9/11.
b) Thousands of innocent people died in the attacks.

Thus: Osama is a mass murderer.

Just sit tight for a couple minutes. Let it swirl around. Stop chasing shiny objects. Shit will settle soon.

Context is everything, you just arent intelligent enough to realize it. I'll preface this by saying once again I am glad bin laden is dead. This is only a devil's advocate response to your ignorance. Since you lack the ability to imagine the existent of a different perspective other than your own I'll try to stencil this out for you.

In the matter of killing "innocent" people on 9/11 can you honestly say that the people responsible for the act considered the victims innocent? You're fishing for a word that starts with i but it's not innocent, I would have gone with infidel. Spiritually racist could be another way to put it, the unholy folk need to die etc... about as far from innocent as you can get. From their side anyway.

Osama a mass murderer.. Yea he sure is --- in the eyes of Americans. Once again you contradict yourself and I dont think you even realize it. Do you really think people in al queda think of bin laden as a murderer if indeed he was there leader? I would think he would be praised as a hero from their side. Ensured glorious entry into the gates of heaven etc etc.

Im really starting to question your ivy league education, hard to believe a college graduate can be this dense, but I probably shouldnt be surprised. Your reading skills are known to be sub-par, and now your ability to argue a point is like wow..what? kind of deal... and you want to be what again?? a lawyer?

yikes.

[Gwence]

I'll supplement my last post by saying context makes no difference when talking about factual information that no one can question, like for instance Newton's 2nd law of motion or things of that nature. But when speaking about political viewpoints and philosophies and in this case speculation of motives and whatever else this thread has conjured up, context is probably the most important thing there is.

Also I dont think you went to college at all, let alone an ivy league school.

[Turtles]

Context is everything, you just arent intelligent enough to realize it. I'll preface this by saying once again I am glad bin laden is dead. This is only a devil's advocate response to your ignorance. Since you lack the ability to imagine the existent of a different perspective other than your own I'll try to stencil this out for you.

In the matter of killing "innocent" people on 9/11 can you honestly say that the people responsible for the act considered the victims innocent? You're fishing for a word that starts with i but it's not innocent, I would have gone with infidel. Spiritually racist could be another way to put it, the unholy folk need to die etc... about as far from innocent as you can get. From their side anyway.

Osama a mass murderer.. Yea he sure is --- in the eyes of Americans. Once again you contradict yourself and I dont think you even realize it. Do you really think people in al queda think of bin laden as a murderer if indeed he was there leader? I would think he would be praised as a hero from their side. Ensured glorious entry into the gates of heaven etc etc.

Im really starting to question your ivy league education, hard to believe a college graduate can be this dense, but I probably shouldnt be surprised. Your reading skills are known to be sub-par, and now your ability to argue a point is like wow..what? kind of deal... and you want to be what again?? a lawyer?

yikes.

LOL. Whatever you say, chief. You're right. The term "innocent" is totally subjective. Those that believe non-combatants with no history of violence are "innocent" have their side. And those that believe non-Islams are infidels who must die have theirs. There's really no saying who's right or wrong. It's all about which side you're on. (Hint: I'm not entirely convinced you're catching on, so here's a heads up -- this is sarcasm.)

Also, for the love of God, if you're going to insult someone else: learn the difference between "there", "their", and "they're". It's shameful. I pointed it out earlier in the thread, and you're still making the same f*cking mistake. It's also "Al Qaeda", not "al queda". And until I corrected you, you thought bin Laden was living in caves and not within 100 miles of civilization since 9/11. This two days after it was confirmed that he was killed in Abbottabad. It's astonishing that anyone with a computer could be so ignorant.

[Turtles]

Wehrmacht, you are completely full of shit. You found one or two jews (not even zionists) who works with a particular organizatino so you assumed that the entire organization must no longer be credible. Seriously, you think that popular mechanics has no credibility because a few people who might be biased work with them?

That's the crux of every conspiracy theory. In the words of an MIT Engineering Professor, it's the reverse scientific method. You start with a conclusion, and work your way back -- picking out what facts fit your argument and ignoring all others. In the case of Wehrmacht, it goes like this: The Jews were responsible for 9/11.

All of government: Pro-Zionist
9/11 Commission Report: Jews involved
Popular Mechanics: Jews involved
NIST: Jews involved

You can do it with anything. I blame it on marijuana. This was the only way for the neocon marijuan-ists to divert attention from the drug war.

George W. Bush: acknowledged using marijuana
Barack Obama: acknowledged using marijuana
Osama bin Laden: high strength marijuana plants found yards from his home (seriously)
Media: liberal, pro-legalization hippies
9/11 Commission: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana
NIST: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana
Popular Mechanics: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana

See? It's the fucking wacky weed. It's reefer madness, bro.

[Pico]

I'll supplement my last post by saying context makes no difference when talking about factual information that no one can question, like for instance Newton's 2nd law of motion or things of that nature.

actually context does matter for newton's 2nd law

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Also, for the love of God, if you're going to insult someone else: learn the difference between "there", "their", and "they're". It's shameful. I pointed it out earlier in the thread, and you're still making the same f*cking mistake.

You're losing bro, you can't attack the argument so you're resorting to ad hominem and playing the role of grammar nazi... Man, to think all that money spent at Ivy League but you still couldn't cut it on the debate team.

[Turtles]

You're losing bro, you can't attack the argument so you're resorting to ad hominem and playing the role of grammar nazi... Man, to think all that money spent at Ivy League but you still couldn't cut it on the debate team.

Haha, no -- I've already won that argument. The guy has resorted to arguing that there's no saying who's an "innocent civilian" and that it's all a matter of context. International law disagrees. There's no context to be heard. The people in the WTCs were innocent civilians. They were non-combatants. It was murder.

But you're clearly butt-hurt enough to keep jumping in to bait me. Sorry man. My Ivy League education clearly intimidates you since you feel the need to keep mentioning it. If it makes you feel better, pretend I'm a butt-ugly 90-pound hipster with an 8th grade education, a fundamental inability to rap, and a dozen memes to resort to when I've run out of intellect. That way we can start on a level playing field.

[Turtles]

And guess what, here's an MIT engineer Jeff King saying the exact opposite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCLHL5iToJ8



By the way, I just re-read and felt the need to comment on this. Jeff King is not an "MIT engineer". He's a family physician that graduated from MIT 35+ years ago. Thomas Eagar graduated with an S.B. and a Sc.D from MIT. He's served as a professor and department head at MIT for decades. He's worked on the National Research Council and done research for the US Congress and US Department of Energy. He's taught a dozen graduate and professional level engineering courses. He's one of the most accomplished engineers in the world.

It's not point and counterpoint. It's like quoting J. Scott Armstrong (from Wharton) on a business proposal, then countering by quoting a guy that graduated from Wharton in the '70s and has been working as a police officer ever since.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Haha, no -- I've already won that argument. The guy has resorted to arguing that there's no saying who's an "innocent civilian" and that it's all a matter of context. International law disagrees. There's no context to be heard. The people in the WTCs were innocent civilians. They were non-combatants. It was murder.

But you're clearly butt-hurt enough to keep jumping in to bait me. Sorry man. My Ivy League education clearly intimidates you since you feel the need to keep mentioning it. If it makes you feel better, pretend I'm a butt-ugly 90-pound hipster with an 8th grade education, a fundamental inability to rap, and a dozen memes to resort to when I've run out of intellect. That way we can start on a level playing field.

Nah I'm baiting you because you try to hard, you attempt to be clever and intellectually juggernaut your way through this thread in some vain attempt to showcase your knowledge. It's like you expect people to applaud you for using proper grammar and sophomoric rhetoric? It's almost a joke as everyone on this forum watches you and Wehrmacht write these 500 page essays over and over but no one reads them because they're the same pseudo-intellectual tripe that we've read from you for over 10 pages now.

With minimal effort on my end, I've managed to make you pound F5 to vociferously defend yourself over and over from several people attacking you, so why would I feel intimidated when I'm the one controlling this debate? It's pretty obvious that you can't help responding because your sheer narcissism can't handle criticism and you'll fight tooth and nail til this thread is locked defending your talking points, can't have your ego bruised now can we?

So before you give me some paragraph long retort over why I'm wrong and you are right, take time to reflect and formulate your words carefully and precisely, god forbid you make another boastful claim with zero substance.

[purist]

It's not two sides to a story. It's two interpretations of the same story.

Another rich kid with an inflated sense of entitlement inversely proportional to his intelligence. Might want reconsider the smug gloating over your SAT scores, 'cause even an aspie in a community college knows that the above quote is patently retarded.

[Turtles]

Nah I'm baiting you because you try to hard, you attempt to be clever and intellectually juggernaut your way through this thread in some vain attempt to showcase your knowledge. It's like you expect people to applaud you for using proper grammar and sophomoric rhetoric? It's almost a joke as everyone on this forum watches you and Wehrmacht write these 500 page essays over and over but no one reads them because they're the same pseudo-intellectual tripe that we've read from you for over 10 pages now.

With minimal effort on my end, I've managed to make you pound F5 to vociferously defend yourself over and over from several people attacking you, so why would I feel intimidated when I'm the one controlling this debate? It's pretty obvious that you can't help responding because your sheer narcissism can't handle criticism and you'll fight tooth and nail til this thread is locked defending your talking points, can't have your ego bruised now can we?

So before you give me some paragraph long retort over why I'm wrong and you are right, take time to reflect and formulate your words carefully and precisely, god forbid you make another boastful claim with zero substance.

You give yourself way too much credit. I responded to you because you addressed me. Is that not the point of a message board? I have hardly posted here in the past, and I'll likely not post much in the future. I have strep throat and I have nothing better to do. In the meantime, this fills my time with lively banter and saves me from watching Full House reruns. Don't worry about my ego -- it's doing fine. The only thing that has actually made me angry thus far is the fact that people feel the need to defend Osama bin Laden. I don't mind being called an idiot or being told I'm wrong. There is ample documentation to the contrary.

And everything I say is substantive. That's why I say it. It's why I've provided facts, links, and research whereas you've made comments like "Ivy League is a sham". I know, I know. "Trolled". That's cool. If I didn't want to google it and link it, I wouldn't. You're not baiting me into doing anything I mind doing.

[purist]

The guy has resorted to arguing that there's no saying who's an "innocent civilian" and that it's all a matter of context. International law disagrees. There's no context to be heard. The people in the WTCs were innocent civilians. They were non-combatants. It was murder.

Actually, a CIA office was situated in the World Trade Center. That's what we would refer to as "command and control infrastructure" and therefore a legitimate military target for us to drop a two-ton bomb on, if it belonged to one of America's enemies. The 1,000s of innocent civilians killed in the process of taking it out? That's another thing we like to call "collateral damage." The U.S. should stop using its civilians as "human shields."

Sucks when the standards the U.S. Defense Department applies to the rest of the world is applied to us by Islamic terrorists, doesn't it?

[Turtles]

1 - Not rich.

2 - Still haven't mentioned my SAT scores, let alone smugly gloated over them.

3 - The aspie might want to be more careful in his judgments. Having two people claim different events is two sides of a story. It's a disagreement over the event in question. Having two people agree on what happened (planes meet towers) and who was responsible (Al Qaeda) = one story. The only difference is each side's view of the context, which is largely irrelevant.

[purist]

It's not two sides to a story. It's two interpretations of the same story.

Translation: "I'm going to take a popular idiom, duplicate it and substitute one word with its identical synonym, then sit back as if I have managed to prove some kind of point. "

The only thing you're proving is that taking $100,000+ in student oans for an undergrad in History at Cornell doesn't make you intelligent. And arguing on an Everquest emulator server after getting your fifth rejection-of-transfer letter from Harvard won't console your ego, 'cause you're getting put in your place by a bunch of state school grads.

[Turtles]

Haha, your attempts to get under my skin would be far more effective if you didn't take so many shots in the dark. First I'm rich, now I'm $100,000 in debt? Neither. History? Not my style. And Cornell is wrong, as is Harvard. You have to pick your spots. Your trolling is sloppy, sport.

[Harrison]

9/11 conspiracies and the morons that believe them make me fucking cry for the future of my country. Don't breed.

[Gwence]

Haha, no -- I've already won that argument. The guy has resorted to arguing that there's no saying who's an "innocent civilian" and that it's all a matter of context. International law disagrees. There's no context to be heard. The people in the WTCs were innocent civilians. They were non-combatants. It was murder.

But you're clearly butt-hurt enough to keep jumping in to bait me. Sorry man. My Ivy League education clearly intimidates you since you feel the need to keep mentioning it. If it makes you feel better, pretend I'm a butt-ugly 90-pound hipster with an 8th grade education, a fundamental inability to rap, and a dozen memes to resort to when I've run out of intellect. That way we can start on a level playing field.

You might think they were innocent, I certainly do think they were innocent, but there are plenty of people on this planet that do not feel that way. I honestly can't understand how you can argue this. All you're doing is being egotistical and arrogant, you think your opinion is the only one that exists.

I suggest you do some traveling and take in how people around the world feel about Americans. Values you or I have been raised with are not the same thing other people consider when the question becomes morality. If you cant understand that, then you have serious problems.

[Gwence]

actually context does matter for newton's 2nd law

ok Im curious, how so?

[Pico]

ok Im curious, how so?

1. if mass is not constant within the given system
2. if you're dealing with high enough velocities where modifications due to special relativity must be accounted for

[Falisaty]

i have figured it out Wehrmacht = Glenn Beck Fox news very on anti-semite

[wehrmacht]

I personally feel that he was killed a few of years ago, but in order to purpetrate continuing wars in the middle east, they didn't say a thing.

He let the lie go on just long enough to get the troop buildups where he wanted them.

No, not even close. It's common sense that they want a muslim boogey man hiding in the closet so they can constantly hype national security threats and start more wars. The ONLY reason they would admit he was dead is to stage a new fake terror attack and blame it's occurrence on retaliation for killing Bin Laden. It will probably be a mushroom cloud or biological attack in a big city like Chicago.

Haha Jesus man -- are you seriously that anti-Semitic? You really think they've got a massive conspiracy for global domination running?

Wow, who would have seen that coming? The good old crying "anti-semite" tantrum. Sorry but that doesn't work anymore. Everyone knows Israel are a bunch murderers and rank #2 most hated country on earth in every poll right behind North Korea.

I noticed you tried to pretend like Israel's long history of staging false flag terror attacks against the US doesn't exist. It's the exact same thing every time they do it, blow up some Americans or Brits with bombs then try to blame it on Arabs in order to get us to fight their wars for them. Keep pretending like the following events never happened:

“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.” -Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001

Lavon Affair - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."[7]

In the case of Wehrmacht, it goes like this: The Jews were responsible for 9/11.


Actually it goes like this. Israel has a long precedent of staging terror attacks, killing US citizens, and trying to blame it on Arabs in an attempt to try and get us to fight their wars. Keep pretending like the above incidents don't exist.

[Slathar]

9/11 conspiracies and the morons that believe them make me fucking cry for the future of my country. Don't breed.

How is combat medic training going?

[Lazortag]

Wehrmacht, you weren't just talking about zionists though. If you were then you certainly did not make that clear when you were listing people you did not find credible:

Philip Zelikow (Jewish US-Israeli dual citizen) - wrote blatantly false 9/11 commission report

After being cornered on this issue for the 1000th time, eventually Noam Chomsky said "it doesn't even matter if 9/11 was a staged event", it's on video tape, you can look it up yourself. Also, why are you naming only Jewish people like they would actually be unbiased and credible on this issue?

Noam Chomsky is jewish, but he is not a zionist and he doesn't support the Israeli state's policies. I have no idea why you would act as if the reprehensible actions of the government of a majority jewish state represent all jews in the world, unless you had a problem with jews in general. From the language in your posts it's like you're not even trying to repel people's suspicions of you being anti-semitic, since you use the words "jew" and "zionist" interchangeably.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."[7]

Read the whole article.



King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

Not that I'm a supporter of Israel or anything, but it's massively unfair to blame Israel for this, when the Israeli state didn't even exist yet.

[eisenfaust]

http://youtu.be/7_E4N5YIycI

[Turtles]

No, not even close. It's common sense that they want a muslim boogey man hiding in the closet so they can constantly hype national security threats and start more wars. The ONLY reason they would admit he was dead is to stage a new fake terror attack and blame it's occurrence on retaliation for killing Bin Laden. It will probably be a mushroom cloud or biological attack in a big city like Chicago.



Wow, who would have seen that coming? The good old crying "anti-semite" tantrum. Sorry but that doesn't work anymore. Everyone knows Israel are a bunch murderers and rank #2 most hated country on earth in every poll right behind North Korea.

I noticed you tried to pretend like Israel's long history of staging false flag terror attacks against the US doesn't exist. It's the exact same thing every time they do it, blow up some Americans or Brits with bombs then try to blame it on Arabs in order to get us to fight their wars for them. Keep pretending like the following events never happened:

“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.” -Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001

Lavon Affair - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."[7]



Actually it goes like this. Israel has a long precedent of staging terror attacks, killing US citizens, and trying to blame it on Arabs in an attempt to try and get us to fight their wars. Keep pretending like the above incidents don't exist.

Lulz dude. You're a racist and an anti-semite. Your "long precedent" consists of 3 events, all of which are interpreted by you (or wherever you copy-pasted this from). One occurred before the state of Israel even existed. One was officially ruled an accident, with NSA recordings showing that Israeli pilots believed they hit an Egyptian vessel. As you stated, it involved three torpedo boats and two helicopters. It was not subtle. It was a completely transparent operation. There was not and could not be any question over who committed the attack. The lone legitimate and documented example of your "precedent" occurred 55 years ago, failed, and resulted in the forced resignation of their Minister of Defense. It was an extraordinary event, not a precedent. In 1763, the British intentionally provided Native Americans with small pox infested blankets. The US does not monitor all bedding imported from the UK for virus strains.

The irony is that you're arguing all these points for a team that doesn't support you. I'm caucasian. I do not have a single relative that could be described as anything other than a white American or white European. It's not white vs. black vs. Jew vs. Mexican. It's you vs everyone. And you've lost. A black man is the most powerful man in the world. Israel is a nuclear power with better defense capabilities and offensive weaponry than anyone outside of the US, UK, and Russia. You can't text message without using technology created in Israel, turn on the TV without seeing a black or Jewish actor, or drive a car without abiding by laws set forth by Jewish, black, and hispanic politicians. You're a slave to the minorities you pit yourself against. And that's what's so great about this country. A hateful hillbilly stuck idealizing a Nazi regime that got its ass handed to it is forced to live as an ant under the heel of everyone and everything he hates.

Sorry, breh. You lose.

[Pico]

why the fuck would you even reply to wehrmacht are you retarded

[purist]

why the fuck would you even reply to wehrmacht are you retarded

Yes, yes he is.

[Turtles]

why the fuck would you even reply to wehrmacht are you retarded

Do people not? Sorry. Like I said earlier, I don't post here often -- I've just had strep throat. Aside from a couple obvious ones (GMs, Abacab, Tralina) I don't have a feel for who the posters are.

[wehrmacht]

One was officially ruled an accident, with NSA recordings showing that Israeli pilots believed they hit an Egyptian vessel.


You're obviously a little kid and know nothing about history and probably never even heard of this event before I told you about it. Everyone who investigated the incident plus all the survivors said it was not an accident:

- In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

- It was “one of the classic all-American cover-ups,” said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins."

- “Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own?” Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.

BBC even made a documentary on it with boatloads of specialists confirming it wasn't an accident: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311#


Your "long precedent" consists of 3 events


Yes, even one false flag terrorist attack against the US would get any other country blown off the face of the earth long ago so it obviously makes you wonder how they are allowed to get away with it over and over and over.



The irony is that you're arguing all these points for a team that doesn't support you.

And almost 1/4th of colonists living in America supported Britain during the war for independence. You're one of the useless retards.


It's not white vs. black vs. Jew vs. Mexican.

I'm not some Charles Manson, Helter Skelter weirdo. The only people I have a problem with are the ones who destroy the country I live in or constantly launch false flag terrorist attacks against it (ie: Israel). Even your little group of nancy boys that call themselves "progressives" are publishing the truth of how things work now:

The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724

[QUOTE=Turtles;283710]
A black man is the most powerful man in the world.


Wrong. He reads off a teleprompter and that's about it. No real power except ceremonial.

[Turtles]

I'm not some Charles Manson, Helter Skelter weirdo.

Wrong. He reads off a teleprompter and that's about it. No real power except ceremonial.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bro.

Obama is the single most powerful man in the world. Fact.

And you're a racist that goes through the minimal step of dubbing minorities "enemies of the state" in order to lambast them. You're a dime a dozen -- the only saving grace is that most of your kind can't figure out a computer.

Oh, and consider this: what makes America your country? The fact that you were born here? So were plenty of blacks, Jews, and hispanics. "Your" country elected -- by popular vote -- a black man to its highest office. "Your" country is a staunch supporter of Israel, and is responsible for giving Israel prohibitive nuclear power. "Your" country currently has 120 Black, Asian, Jewish, Hispanic, or Native American congressmen. "Your" country isn't "your" country at all. "Your" country disagrees with the vast majority of your views, and has voted to that effect. You are a small and impotent minority. That must be very frustrating.

[purist]

Turtles posts another lengthy, emotional response to wehrmacht. This kid must be obese as hell.

[wehrmacht]

Obama is the single most powerful man in the world. Fact.

Not even close to objective fact. Everything in your statement also assumes he has free reign and isn't a puppet ruler.



Oh, and consider this: what makes America your country? The fact that you were born here? So were plenty of blacks, Jews, and hispanics.

I never said that America is a "whites only country". Way to go at making shit up though. Since you want to go down that path, it actually was designed that way in reality. I don't expect you to actually know anything about history since you're like a 20 year old child that thinks they're smart, but pre-1965 immigration policy prohibited most people from moving here that weren't from western Europe. It was effectively a mostly white only immigration policy.

In 1965, the bill referred to as "The Death of America" bill was passed that allowed open immigration from all countries which will cause European derived people from being a majority in the country by the year 2050. I'm sure you're just giddy in excitement about how great and multicultural that is, but you have to ask yourself, why would the people who created a country pass a law in order to make themselves a minority in their own land? You don't see countries like Japan doing things like that, they do the exact opposite. Japan passes laws to prevent other ethnic groups from moving in and keep their country over 99% homogeneous. Since you're a fucking moron liberal, you will obviously completely ignore how every other country on earth operates and not even think about calling Japan "racist".

Also, take a wild guess what group was at the forefront of lobbying to pass the 1965 immigration law referred to as "The Death of America" bill?

"This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences."

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/ABERNET3.PDF



And you're a racist that goes through the minimal step of dubbing minorities "enemies of the state" in order to lambast them.

It's 2011, your 1980's tactic of strolling out of a San Francisco gay bar and crying racism at everyone doesn't work anymore to win an argument addressing real topics. People just laugh at you and call you a stupid liberal now.

[Slathar]

Oh, and consider this: what makes America your country? The fact that you were born here? So were plenty of blacks, Jews, and hispanics. "Your" country elected -- by popular vote -- a black man to its highest office. "Your" country is a staunch supporter of Israel, and is responsible for giving Israel prohibitive nuclear power. "Your" country currently has 120 Black, Asian, Jewish, Hispanic, or Native American congressmen.



i like wut u did there.
fatty.

[Turtles]

Turtles posts another lengthy, emotional response to wehrmacht. This kid must be obese as hell.

Lol, another swing and a miss. Remember what we talked about last time? For effective trolling, you need to not take shots in the dark. So far you've tried rich, poor, history-major, Cornell-grad, Harvard-reject, and fat -- and you still haven't gotten a hit. Are you going to keep trying? I can save you time: deaf, crippled, short, ugly, virgin, homo. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sure there are a couple more out there, as well. Feel free to throw 'em out.

More importantly: how much of an inferiority complex must you have? I mention Ivy League and you spend 15 pages riding my dick trying to find a RL insult that will piss me off. Sorry, man. You're shooting blanks. It's cool, though. It seems you spend a lot of time on these forums. And I mean a LOT. Have you missed a day? This clearly means a lot to you. I'm sorry for invading your one sphere of relevance. I'm sorry if I've pointed out that your every post is a take on the same formula. Mostly, I'm sorry that this forum provides you enough joy to re-appear daily.