Pacify - FTE?

[Artaenc]

Anyone know if Pacify counts as FTE on a named spawn?

[loramin]

If you mean whether it triggers an official server FTE on a raid mob ... I haven't the slightest clue.

But if you mean in an "I'm racing some random person to be the first to engage some random NPC" ...

EDIT:

Actually the Play Nice Policies (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349) even say:

get aggro/First to Encounter (FTE)

Unless you screw up, Pacify won't give you agro, so I guess the answer is: it depends on whether you fail or not ;)

[Cen]

This sure gets asked a lot.

If you dont aggro it its not yours.

[mcoy]

I sure hope not because as a cleric I rely on using pacify to get past so many things - I'd hate to think I was "taking" FTE on stuff I was just trying to walk past...

-Mcoy

[gundumbwing]

I sure hope not because as a cleric I rely on using pacify to get past so many things - I'd hate to think I was "taking" FTE on stuff I was just trying to walk past...

-Mcoy

You've been mistyping your name a lot in your sig.

Just sayin.

[Cen]

Somebody asked this question a few times about harmony before, which makes me think what the hell people are doing.. afraid to actually fight the mob to engage it, but casting dummy spells to pretend its theirs so they can call a raid force? ;p

[Artaenc]

If you mean whether it triggers an official server FTE on a raid mob ... I haven't the slightest clue.

But if you mean in an "I'm racing some random person to be the first to engage some random NPC" ...

EDIT:

Actually the Play Nice Policies (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349) even say:



Unless you screw up, Pacify won't give you agro, so I guess the answer is: it depends on whether you fail or not ;)Ahh ya, I didn't fail. But mez definitely counts as aggro though right?

[BlackBellamy]

Are you Pacifying it with the intent to kill it? Like is that part of your normal killflow? Then you've engaged it as far as I'm concerned. I would just use common sense.

[loramin]

Ahh ya, I didn't fail. But mez definitely counts as aggro though right?

There's two things to consider, the "letter of the law", and the practice. Here on P99, practice > letter, and I suspect that's very relevant in cases like that.

The written rules ie. the Play Nice Policies are extremely vague. Even the collection of camp rulings I've compiled in the wiki only cover a tiny fraction of possible cases ... and the staff aren't even truly bound by them.

Really, they're not even bound by the PnP. Don't believe me? Get in a fight with a GM over something in the PnP: no matter how certain you are that, based on the document, you're in the right ... you will still be suspended/banned anyways ;)

So my point is, we can theorycraft in the forum all we want, but the real question here is "in a situation where Bob and I are both racing for a hill giant/seafury cyclops/whatever, when I cast mez on the mob (first) and then Bob hits it and starts killing it, will the GM suspend Bob?"

I just don't see it: Bob had no way of knowing you mezzed the mob, unless it was moving and suddenly stopped. In that way it's a bit like root, except with root, even if Bob didn't notice it stopping initially, he certainly would when he tried to pull the mob back and it didn't follow. But with Mez, the mob would act identically (from Bob's perspective) as if you'd never landed anything.

What I would see happening in a case like that is the GM telling both people to chill, and maybe telling you to use a different spell besides mez to pull. I don't think Bob would be in trouble, unless there was more to the story ... but until this actually happens and a GM rules, there's truly no way to know for sure.

[DisbeAsos]

Yes, a failed Pacify, which causes the mob to agro you, is indeed FTE. Boss mobs will even give you the engaged message with it.

[aaezil]

Does it make the named spawn aggro on to you? Then the answer is yes.

[Man0warr]

The reason it could be disallowed is it has no line of sight check.

[strongNpretty]

The reason it could be disallowed is it has no line of sight check.

Oh what?! Yeah man, then that doesn't count as FTE.. Quit tryin to bend stupid little rules on P99 you turds.. Engage your targets like an adult. Quit making P99 this game of stupid little rules and exploits.

[zillabunny]

I think the situation this guy is asking is pretty clear and honestly anyone who would go against it would be a real dick bag...

In an out door zone Bing Bong the Destroyer spawns with his two autistic weeb guards, a druid sees bing bong up on track and runs over to him...

The hero of this story is a level 39 druid and bingbong is level 34 and his 2 guards are level 33...

It should be very easy for our druid hero to harmony the 3 of the mobs and then fight htem one at a time...

he harmonies and then proceeds to start clearing bing bongs guards...

a level 48 dick bard who's been swarm kiting the entire zone has just finsihed his zone disruption and also sees bing-bong on track.

He runs over and sees our druid harmony bing bong and his second guard and then proceeds to start fighitng the second guard in hopes of fighting bing bong solo.

dick bard runs by tags bing bong and kites him away before our friendly druid even knows what happened.

druid puts in a petition that he was clearing the camp and dick bard stole bing bong...

[loramin]

I think the situation this guy is asking is pretty clear and honestly anyone who would go against it would be a real dick bag...

In an out door zone Bing Bong the Destroyer spawns with his two autistic weeb guards, a druid sees bing bong up on track and runs over to him...

The hero of this story is a level 39 druid and bingbong is level 34 and his 2 guards are level 33...

It should be very easy for our druid hero to harmony the 3 of the mobs and then fight htem one at a time...

he harmonies and then proceeds to start clearing bing bongs guards...

a level 48 dick bard who's been swarm kiting the entire zone has just finsihed his zone disruption and also sees bing-bong on track.

He runs over and sees our druid harmony bing bong and his second guard and then proceeds to start fighitng the second guard in hopes of fighting bing bong solo.

dick bard runs by tags bing bong and kites him away before our friendly druid even knows what happened.

druid puts in a petition that he was clearing the camp and dick bard stole bing bong...

What's funny about this is that zillabunny and I reached completely opposite conclusions ... and yet I suspect we're both right.

If you're talking about Mezzing/Harmonying as a way to race someone, it's a bad idea ... but if you see someone holding down mobs using those spells, then of course it's a bad idea to try and steal them.

Again, theory crafting "does X count for Y" can only go so far: the details "on the ground" (as well as how the GM who shows up perceives those details) ... and of course the golden rule of "don't be a dick" ... is often far more important than what exactly the PnP says.