Is this faction goal possible?

[Castle2.0]

Background: I killed 2,000+ bards on on my mage on Blue, but am still KoS in Mistmoore. Never received the "cannot get any better" message.

There are 2 primary factions in MM: Agents of Mistmoore and Mayong Mistmoore. Agents faction cannot be raised by any means. MM faction can be raised.

According to the faction page (see: http://wiki.project1999.com/Faction), max-KoS is -2000. max-dubious is -699. It's accurate -- tested it on other factions. Should only be ~1300 kills (assuming only 1 faction point per kill) to go from max-KoS to dubious.

Goal: Become non-KoS in MM with a toon on Green.

Question: Does anyone have any info on how multiple factions interact? Averaged?

Irony: Bards get the best faction-improving spell/song. Might take a bard to accomplish.

[Wallicker]

There might be another faction they are on that cannot be raised/lowered that just isn’t listed. Kinda like some of the Kael giants it’s impossible to become non kos to.

[Wallicker]

I can run over to Mistmoore later and faction song buff on green, I’ve slaughtered bards to the faction cannot get any worse point

[gnatch]

The base faction dump from live from https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2974164&postcount=3 shows:
285 - Mayong Mistmoore
-2000 51 Human
-2000 52 Barbarian
-2000 53 Erudite
-2000 54 Wood Elf
-2000 55 High Elf
-2000 56 Dark Elf
-2000 57 Half Elf
-2000 58 Dwarf
-2000 59 Troll
-2000 60 Ogre
-2000 61 Halfling
-2000 62 Gnome
-1000 178 Iksar
-2000 180 Vah Shir
-2000 661 Guktan
-2000 1106 Drakkin


Not sure what the p99 values are but having a huge base faction adjustment might mean you're really starting out at -4000 if you're max kos (can't get any worse) faction.

[Wallicker]

Seems bard with iksar illusion mask + song would be an instant +1600 boost on top of grinding I’d figure that would get you there

[Castle2.0]

I can run over to Mistmoore later and faction song buff on green, I’ve slaughtered bards to the faction cannot get any worse point I think negative hits are -10 to -30 and positive +1, for the vast majority of faction hits.

It's pretty easy to get max KoS to bards. But getting Dubious or better in MM would take ~10-30x longer. Might give it a go at some point in Vanilla -- it's still many moons before we see Kunark.

[branamil]

an NPC can only be on one faction. But you can lose several by killing it. All the NPCs in mistmoore are on AgentsOfMistmoore which cannot be raised.

[Castle2.0]

an NPC can only be on one faction. But you can lose several by killing it. All the NPCs in mistmoore are on AgentsOfMistmoore which cannot be raised.
(1) how do you know? and
(2) how do you know?

[magnetaress]

(1) how do you know? and
(2) how do you know?

(2) so sayeth the internet
(1) go kill npcs

[magnetaress]

Good luck on illusion and some form of alliance spell. Maybe, skele, or elemental + an alliance. Regular invis and Invis Vs Undead work real good in there though, also harmony, so it is kind of pointless.

[branamil]

(1) how do you know? and
(2) how do you know?

1. Because its obvious
2. Find an NPC in the game that you can raise in two different factions
3. You can't. If you do I'll give u 100k in game.

[Castle2.0]

Regular invis and Invis Vs Undead work real good in there though, also harmony, so it is kind of pointless. Why invis and IVU? Unless you are going to kill something? No one trying to max their faction with MM is doing it to sneak pasts mobs... to go kill mobs... to ruin their MM faction they spent time building up.

The point is to be "one with the wall" in MM.

[Videri]

an NPC can only be on one faction. But you can lose several by killing it. All the NPCs in mistmoore are on AgentsOfMistmoore which cannot be raised.

This is correct.

If it were possible to become non-KOS in Mistmoore, people on Red would have done it for easy kills. Being non-KOS in Mistmoore would be a huge advantage and quite unbalanced.

Every mob is on a single faction. How do we know? When we raise or lower Faction A, it doesn't give us a different standing with Faction B. Factions do not interact and are not averaged.

I'm not sure this can be proven except by talking to devs, but I'm not sure why anyone would think this is not the case. You have your answer: you can't become non-KOS in Mistmoore.

[Videri]

Seems bard with iksar illusion mask + song would be an instant +1600 boost on top of grinding I’d figure that would get you there

If it can be done, this is how.

[Erati]

human druid in wolf form is non KOS to MM for whatever reason

[magnetaress]

human druid in wolf form is non KOS to MM for whatever reason

^^

reg invis is fun for pvp there, get a circlet of shadows, some potions of unlife, gg

to answer ur question I would invis around on my half elf druid all the time just to camp a few things here and there without killing 200 mobs back when I was like 52