So What Happened to AG?

[Dithien]

Dissension in the ranks? Aftermath betrayal? I see some people left to join <Guild>.

Anyone have the details?

[rezzie]

Doesn't Tempest have a no RnF police? 500 DKP minus.

[rezzie]

policy* fucking autocorrect.

[zszudy]

No betrayal, merger just didn't work out how some people wished it to. Some left, Some stayed.

[Dithien]

It’s all good. I wasn’t using my DKP anyway.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don't got <guild>

[kaizersoze]

Second Aftermath should be the new guild name :)

[Artaenc]

could always Come back to Asgard and have a *casual* guild again.

[bktroost]

I could dish all the juicy secrets... but alas, i am a ghost and they would all be vicious lies.

[Argh]

Stuff

[Dithien]

I could dish all the juicy secrets... but alas, i am a ghost and they would all be vicious lies.

This is RnF. Facts are superfluous.

[Phaezed-Reality]

a no RnF police? .

/puke

[Pretzelle]

sad nerds with inflated egos, mostly.

[branamil]

They should have never let aftermath in. They were the most whiny, backstabbing, insufferable, and RMT-ing assholes ever. They should study their teamspeak conversations in a level 4 Wuhan biolab. Just try to imagine an obese 40 year old screeching that the pwecious dwagon got away.

[Brocode]

They should have never let aftermath in. They were the most whiny, backstabbing, insufferable, and RMT-ing assholes ever. They should study their teamspeak conversations in a level 4 Wuhan biolab. Just try to imagine an obese 40 year old screeching that the pwecious dwagon got away.

Glad you enjoyed being AM. Although there is no more AM, enjoy once again.

[kaizersoze]

They should have never let aftermath in. They were the most whiny, backstabbing, insufferable, and RMT-ing assholes ever. They should study their teamspeak conversations in a level 4 Wuhan biolab. Just try to imagine an obese 40 year old screeching that the pwecious dwagon got away.

Most of them weren't as awful as you make out. Some of them were kind of elitist and dickish, but I feel like I could count the ones who were incessantly downers and bothered me on one hand. We had some good cycles, we had some bad cycles, and if they want to split into a smaller guild to be their old "strike force" so be it. Even with very geared characters the handful that Ive heard of leaving will be limited in content anyway so, shrug.

[Hideousclaw]

It wasn’t the best of times, it wasn’t the worst of times

[Lhord99]

Lotta cool dudes joined up in AM for a while. A few had some personalities that didn't mesh well, or w/e, but that's to be expected. At the end of the day, many of us are still buds. Wish em luck!

[Bardp1999]

Better question is who the fuck cares about AG

[bktroost]

Better question is who the fuck cares about AG

I care about them. They have all my hearts.

[Secrets]

They moved to TAKP.

[kaizersoze]

I care about them. They have all my hearts.

and my bow!

[Comoc1]

I’m still in AM.

[Cochonou]

Anyone else finding it strange that it happens right when staff promotion happens?

[Fammaden]

Anyone else finding it strange that it happens right when staff promotion happens?

Riot, please respond, how will the server dominant alpha guild handle these suspicions of staff collusion?

[bktroost]

They moved to TAKP.

That's old news. Im sure there's some spicy new thing that happened with the AG that remained here.

[Pretzelle]

Riot, please respond, how will the server dominant alpha guild handle these suspicions of staff collusion?

They couldn't compete before, I doubt Riot will have anything to worry about now. At least AG will be free of most of their cancer :o

[Hideousclaw]

That's old news. Im sure there's some spicy new thing that happened with the AG that remained here.

It wasn’t the best of times, it wasn’t the worst of times

[aaezil]

They should have never let aftermath in. They were the most whiny, backstabbing, insufferable, and RMT-ing assholes ever. They should study their teamspeak conversations in a level 4 Wuhan biolab. Just try to imagine an obese 40 year old screeching that the pwecious dwagon got away.

100% accurate

[Fragged]

They joined Riot.

[kjs86z]

got coronavirus'd

[Lewkeng]

lol.

[Allishia]

Ya I'm kinda nosey about this too, hoping someone will give me the scoop :p

Miss lot of my old friends n guildys /nod

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Second Aftermath should be the new guild name :)

<After Aftermath>

[Ripqozko]

I miss the old alli

[Lewkeng]

/nod

[Keerarae]

Ya I'm kinda nosey about this too, hoping someone will give me the scoop :p

Miss lot of my old friends n guildys /nod

/nod

Miss you Allishia!!!
<3

[reznor_]

/nod Alli

[deezy]

/nod

[matticas]

Ya I'm kinda nosey about this too, hoping someone will give me the scoop :p

Miss lot of my old friends n guildys /nod

/nod - miss you.

Not much to say. Tried making AG-AM merger work, it didn't, so we left. Many on both sides had kind things to say on the way out, but of course some people are frustrated.

I'm grateful for my time in AG and have really only good things to say about that crew.

[k9quaint]

Sorry you don't got <guild>

Sorry you don't got <guild> either! :D

[khaybrother86]

No clue about Guild drama, but it does seem very shitty to try and capitalize off of known agreements between other guilds. I've a feeling this weekends golem rotation is only the start.

[Dithien]

Gratz on Terror, <RenamedGuild>

[Darkboar]

Gratz on Terror, <RenamedGuild>

you sir are a troublemaker :)

[pogs4ever]

Gratz on Terror, <RenamedGuild>

[Truheart]

guilds rise and fall on p99, but AG remains...

[Arkanjil]

Gratz on Terror, <RenamedGuild>

Thanks Dithien!

[MaCtastic]

The real victims: a civil raid scene and functional player agreements.

[Pretzelle]

The real victims: a civil raid scene and functional player agreements.

This.

Everyone is thrilled to have you back, RenamedCancer :o

[Daloon]

The real victims: a civil raid scene and functional player agreements.
Link the agreement

[Nuggie]

Nemce, what you been up to the last couple years? Old raiding allies need to know.

[Littul Jonn]

When competition is necessary the level of play rises to meet the standard. Competition is healthy for guilds, doesn’t sound like <Renamed Guild> trained or pulled any other hyjinx. Hope you guys enjoy the challenge instead of rotated pixels.

[khaybrother86]

What a crock. Competitive poopsocking maybe. Which is more a test of which force has more people with less shit to do IRL. That's not healthy competition, it's a sad reality of people too addicted.

These people knew of a good faith agreement between guilds. One which kept a bit of competition but tried to negate the need for people to heavily camp. Taking advantage of this is simply a middle finger to the rest of the server.

My opinion is subject to change, but that's how it seems this far. Time will tell.

[icedwards]

Did Aftermath get tired of wiping to Vaelastrasz multiple times a week?

[rezzie]

So far we've done nothing but exist and kill two old world mobs with two groups of friends.

That's been met with a petition to have us renamed, plus an insane amount of anger and mud slinging:

Well we all know that Killing golems isnt there goal. Gaining traction to try and snipe people is there goal.


Its not about golem loot at this point its about the fact they are doing this just to say "fuck you" to us having agreements and there current goal is to derail that.


In fact I know I would prefer this out come as the action they have taken is that of spoiled children.


Yup, more than likely those who didn't want to play nicely with the whole server. So they are throwing a greed tantrum


The real victims: a civil raid scene and functional player agreements.


Perhaps take a step back for some self-reflection and look at how ridiculous and petty the reaction has been, because the comments levied so far have been anything but civil. People just love drama.

[khaybrother86]

So you're pretending to not know about agreements being made or just claiming to not be apart of them? Playing the wounded animal doesn't suite you Rez. You've been around too long for people to think you have thin skin and no knowledge of what goes on

[pogs4ever]

i mean there was a weekly competitive night and a weekly casual night, dont see why you guys want to compete on casual night. it is what it is though, have fun socking/competing.

[Dogma]

Aftermath spontaneously drops out of an arrangement whenever it best suits them?

Never heard of such a thing!

[tyrant49333]

Hopefully Guild comes with a vengeance. P99 blue has become a 1 guild server with welfare rotations. That's not nearly as fun as it used to be with 2 guilds going at it.

[khaybrother86]

LoL. Are you all just a bunch of sadists and masochists that need more hobbies??

[Hubble]

Renamed Aftermath gets off on poopsocking and griefing, that's their whole purpose. Bitches be basic edge lord bullies.

[Halox]

Is the remission for the server over?

[Loke]

i mean there was a weekly competitive night and a weekly casual night, dont see why you guys want to compete on casual night. it is what it is though, have fun socking/competing.

I have no idea what the details of this agreement are, but I'd be curious what your definitions of competitive and casual are. <RenamedGuild> probably has a smaller roster than Kittens or TSS, doesn't raid 24/7, and doesn't compete for every mob. Sounds pretty casual to me.

[aaezil]

That moment you've been shunned by every other guild on the server so you have to splinter off to a small group of rejects and snipe targets off a rotated night. Sad.

[Loke]

That moment you've been shunned by every other guild on the server so you have to splinter off to a small group of rejects and snipe targets off a rotated night. Sad.

That moment you pretend your guild with like a 500 person roster has actually shunned anyone to feel morally superior on elf forums.

[aaezil]

That moment you pretend your guild with like a 500 person roster has actually shunned anyone to feel morally superior on elf forums.

^ even sadder

Sorry you’re like this really i feel for u

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don't have golems or Warder loot

[Pretzelle]

What happens when guild652 doesn't get anything competitive and burns out again? try to merge with Dawn Believers after everyone fucks off to WoW/Green/next-big-game?

[Ripqozko]

Dawn believers is a great guild. Don’t guild shame in 2020.

[rezzie]

You aren't very nice people. In fact you're actually rather mean spirited.

Just let people play with friends and have fun. Why do you have to be so nasty?

[Hubble]

because sniping mobs during made agreements deserves it.

[Ripqozko]

Competed* sorry you like welfare pixels . If only you went out and voted for Bernie you could get welfare while you got welfare. Consider voting

[Pretzelle]

Could have waited literally one day to compete for golems, decides to be dicks and snipe the one that Kittens and TSS had planned to compete between themselves for.

Sounds like typical AM bullshit.

[Daloon]

So you're pretending to not know about agreements being made or just claiming to not be apart of them? Playing the wounded animal doesn't suite you Rez. You've been around too long for people to think you have thin skin and no knowledge of what goes on

I thought the agreement was for AG/Riot not to go after certain golems so rest of server can compete.. How did <guild> violate?

[Hubble]

oh right, I forgot, people must be available to "compete" at all times otherwise it's welfare pixels. Edge lord bully confirmed.

[Pretzelle]

I thought the agreement was for AG/Riot not to go after certain golems so rest of server can compete.. How did <guild> violate?

Do you believe concessions no longer count when you leave a guild? That's a pretty dangerous line of thinking (and counter to GM enforced precedent)

[Loke]

Do you believe concessions no longer count when you leave a guild? That's a pretty dangerous line of thinking (and counter to GM enforced precedent)

I think any reasonable person would agree player made agreements between guilds no longer apply to players once they leave the guilds involved in those agreements. Are you seriously suggesting player made agreements between guilds should bind players to those agreements in perpetuity, even if they are no longer members of those guilds? That would literally lead to complete stagnation on the server as no new guild would be able to recruit players that had ever been a member of guilds in previous agreements.

Literally crazy talk.

[Fammaden]

Do you believe concessions no longer count when you leave a guild? That's a pretty dangerous line of thinking (and counter to GM enforced precedent)

What? By this logic if an AG member leaves for Riot then they can't go after a mob that week if AG had conceeded the spawn to Riot. The agreements are between guilds, individual members leaving the guilds aren't subject to the agreement anymore. That's why people have had unguilded farm teams and shit.

[reznor_]

https://i.imgur.com/6ruALyz.jpg

[Dogma]

AM scumbags being AM scumbags.

[Arkanjil]

AM scumbags being AM scumbags.

What's AM?

[xdrcfrx]

the cycle of behavior:

1: disrupt an otherwise healthy environment;
2: When met with objection over (1), act as if you're the one who's been victimized;
3: Use that fabricated sense of victimization to justify increasingly selfish and
belligerent behavior;
4: Make bad faith complaints to authority figures when (3) results in retaliation;
5: Congrats, you've now successfully poisoned what was previously a nicer
environment.

This is middle-school level manipulative behavior exhibited by 13 year-olds and, apparently, a bunch of fully grown supposed adults adults who are so pixel addicted that they can't bear the thought that someone might not "earn" a stupid necklace that makes you a pixelated skeleton.

Go back to BBQ'ing already. fuck sake.

[Dogma]

Glad you guys were able to burn all that worthless AM DKP by merging with AG.

Now that it's all gone it was time to move on, ey?

[Thomacles]

How nice it was to actually play the game, instead of having 150+ people poopsock their afternoon away because 12 people wanted to be dicks, all the while knowing very well what was going on ahead of time and being dicks anyway.

It's still douchbaggery on a primordial scale. And then for them to play so innocent and victimized......

[tyrant49333]

Sorry you didn't get welfare pixels

[Sethius Marlowe]

what the fuck does any of this have to do with the corona virus?

[Grumph]

Ok here's the inside scoop on what happened.

There are two mainy sides to this story.

Both sides felt like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4requDuqM)

(probably?)

And THEN

They all (most) of them (or some at least) tried to hug it all out.

...but the drinks had already been spilt.

A story as old as time really. I mean have none of you read your Shakespeare?

[Naonak]

/nod - miss you.

Not much to say. Tried making AG-AM merger work, it didn't, so we left. Many on both sides had kind things to say on the way out, but of course some people are frustrated.

I'm grateful for my time in AG and have really only good things to say about that crew.

From what I heard and seen.

I guess we both use 2 very different vocabularies. :p

[Vallaen]

The raid scene has never been healthy

[Vallaen]

Do you believe concessions no longer count when you leave a guild? That's a pretty dangerous line of thinking (and counter to GM enforced precedent)

Remember when Riot had to concede zlandicar but logged on alts they had in anonymous and tried to kill her? Then Anonymous went and joined Riot after it was all over? weird

[icedwards]

What's AM?

They go by <Corpse Run> now. By the looks of their logs they parse like shit and can't stop wiping in BWL a month into the content.

https://i.imgur.com/t6nQuWb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

You might have heard of them.

Gonna go out on a limb and assume Riot doesn't need to worry about these mouthbreathers moving in on their pixels.

[Dogma]

The raid scene has never been healthyCuz P99 staffers cycle out over the years but AM bullshit persists and keeps redefining what is allowable to these new staffers.

Same old AM shield being "well they didn't punish blahblah in the past so I can't punish blahblahblab now without absolutely concrete proof of violations 1-10 otherwise I'll be showing bias.

Not bashing staff. Just saying you guys shouldn't take past tolerances as proofs of allowances now. Bias only allows extensions of this grey zone.

[Arkanjil]

They go by <Corpse Run> now. By the looks of their logs they parse like shit and can't stop wiping in BWL a month into the content.

https://i.imgur.com/t6nQuWb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

You might have heard of them.

Gonna go out on a limb and assume Riot doesn't need to worry about these mouthbreathers moving in on their pixels.

You sound salty. Live your best life!

[aaezil]

"Recently there has been discussion amongst guild leaders with the goal of allowing smaller, casual guilds to experience the content monopolised by the big guilds. Aftermath would love to take part in this initiative in support of the smaller independent guilds to see content, practice strategies, and win the loot from the game's top bosses.

With the rooting of the dragons, addition of linked guard aggro, and 100% summon mechanics, NToV encounters have changed dramatically. Aftermath has always had a reputation for being a zerg, but in the zone line pull era smaller guilds always had a chance to contest and win content through skillful play and determination. This current era has given mega-zergs such an advantage that smaller guilds effectively have no chance at beating them.

In recognition of this, and with the upcoming launch of P99 Green and "other endeavors", we think now is a great time to open up a lot of content for everyone to share in a less cut-throat environment, whilst allowing people to maintain their identities and play with friends without being forced into the top guilds.

We would like to exclude Earthquakes from this agreement. During Earthquakes every guild seems to get a fair share of mobs that they desire as it is and feel it is not needed here.

As such, Aftermath is willing to leave all of the inner ring of NToV up and uncontested on alternating weeks. The inner ring of NToV consists of:

Aaryonar
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lady Mirenilla
Lord Feshlak
Lord Koi`Doken
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Vulak`Aerr


No time limits, no limits on the number of attempts, no restrictions. Every other spawn of these dragons will result in a fair shot for any other guilds who wish to give it a go - whether that's solo or united as part of an alliance - provided our friends in Riot will adhere to this too.

All of these mobs are extremely fun encounters and include some the best rewards in the game. It will give all guilds who cannot field 100+ raid forces all hours of the day a chance to enjoy these encounters with friends, or learn and optimise strategies to attempt to compete on the alternate weeks.

We think this is extremely beneficial to the quality of life on this server, with many new adventures coming from the staff here at P99 or other forms of entertainment. If Riot agrees to this we will announce when it begins in the raid section and move ahead from there."

[Loke]

I too remember when AM offered to leave inner ring NToV dragons up for the rest of the server. Shame that AM died and Riot didn't honor that offer. Not sure how that makes AM the bad guy here.

Sure makes makes PoF golems seem take table scraps, doesn't it?

[Dogma]

I too remember when AM offered to leave inner ring NToV dragons up for the rest of the server. Shame that AM died and Riot didn't honor that offer. Not sure how that makes AM the bad guy here.

Sure makes makes PoF golems seem take table scraps, doesn't it?You mean when AM tried to get Riot to give up dragons that AM couldn't compete for anyways?

Just so AM could change guild names a few hours later and go try for them against the casual guilds?

Glad Riot never took that bait. AG should have been that smart.

[Loke]

You should contact your doctor if your AM hate boner persists for longer than 4 months after they cease to exist.

[saftbudet]

People in renamedguild = server scum.

[Capi]

Can you guys just shut the fuck up and let me play video games?

[Arkanjil]

People in renamedguild = server scum.

The drama on the server these days are of care bear levels. You should thank us for putting some spice back in.

[Hideousclaw]

To answer the original question of this thread (it’s subject line) apparently we shed some weight and led us to a pretty damn solid cycle so far. Couple more mobs to go but it’s been a really fun cycle! That Benny Hill Gozz calamity yesterday was one of the funnest moments in recent history on P99 for me!

[Pretzelle]

The drama on the server these days are of care bear levels. You should thank us for putting some spice back in.

Yes, because drama is what everyone was looking for in their 25 year old elf-sim.

You nerds should have just gone to red for your circle jerk.

[Pretzelle]

To answer the original question of this thread (it’s subject line) apparently we shed some weight and led us to a pretty damn solid cycle so far. Couple more mobs to go but it’s been a really fun cycle! That Benny Hill Gozz calamity yesterday was one of the funnest moments in recent history on P99 for me!

Keep on keepin' on, AG. You guys shed a lot of dead weight as evidenced by the cycle you're having.

[Arkanjil]

Yes, because drama is what everyone was looking for in their 25 year old elf-sim.

You nerds should have just gone to red for your circle jerk.

This might surprise you, but the reason you and countless others even come to this RNF forum is to read drama. So yes, all of us elf nerds love the drama. It keeps the game interesting.

The fights became trivial and boring long ago.

[kaizersoze]

Renamed Guild said they wanted to retire with friends and that seems like what they're doin. Chillin in ToV watching other guilds kill stuff. 10/10 relaxing.

[Pretzelle]

Renamed Guild said they wanted to retire with friends and that seems like what they're doin. Chillin in ToV watching other guilds kill stuff. 10/10 relaxing.

What funny is they left AG and AG's already been more successful without them. Grats AG on bangin' out that Jorlleag!

[aaezil]

Rejects flailing with no kills again how long till they get tired of losing and uninstall

[bradsamma]

This reminds me of when AM killed the statue without even attempting to kill AOW and just let it rot.

It isn't that they are competing, it's that they're doing it in the biggest douchebag fashion ever. Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should.

AG is so much better off without that dead toxic weight and it looks like they're doing pretty darn well without them too!

[Grumph]

The more I hear about this story, the more it reminds me of the Dukes of Hazard:

Just the good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm
Beats all you never saw
Been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born

Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow

[Cheezus]

lol couldnt compete against riot so they join AG, then get mad and leave to compete against the guild that took them in, classy

[CancerMage]

this isnt even good drama, the autists have made blue so sterile and implemented strict elf honor code bullshit that you guys are straight fucking boring.

[kaizersoze]

lol couldnt compete against riot so they join AG, then get mad and leave to compete against the guild that took them in, classy

It was a bold strategy to leave a larger guild and become a "strike force" once more in the current meta, but I applaud their courage. Without fear of death they charged right into Vulak's lair and died with dignity and honor, all like, 15 of them.

[Pretzelle]

It was a bold strategy to leave a larger guild and become a "strike force" once more in the current meta, but I applaud their courage. Without fear of death they charged right into Vulak's lair and died with dignity and honor, all like, 15 of them.

It was a beautiful thing watching those guards come back in and kill Detoxx. Poor guy should stick to WoW.

[xdrcfrx]

this isnt even good drama, the autists have made blue so sterile and implemented strict elf honor code bullshit that you guys are straight fucking boring.

Right. Between the relatively well-adjusted people willing to agree on sharing content on the one hand, and on the other the folks who are going " REEEEEEEE WELFARE PIXELS," it's the former who are the autists. Of course.

[Dogma]

CancerMage. Created Feb 2020. Obvious troll account... Might as well make your next account called ForumFuckery.

They can't even be bothered to pretend being clever anymore.

Says our server is boring and needs chaos so they're providing a civil service. Why would we need police if there weren't criminals?

Just rename guild to <Quarantine> so you sweaty nerds can properly personify basement isolation and being destined to die alone. It should feel familiar I think.

[Thomacles]

Right. Between the relatively well-adjusted people willing to agree on sharing content on the one hand, and on the other the folks who are going " REEEEEEEE WELFARE PIXELS," it's the former who are the autists. Of course.

This ^^.

That was 12 people ruining it for over 150. (approx if each guild had 75 players.) 150 people agreeing to a civilized understanding. And now we are all back to poopsocking instead of out playing the game, or doing RL things.

All under the guise of spicing things up. Its sickening to read the thread progression, they started out claiming all innocence, then it was just banding together as friends, then spicing things up, then "injecting drama on a care bear server".

12 vs 150. Who are the real asshats here?

[rezzie]

Nobody with us is looking to spice it up nor inject drama in game. The drama is purely from forum trolls looking to provoke a reaction and white knights are always willing to oblige.

This is RnF, where people are just looking to spin a narrative which suits them and jump on the bandwagon of, "Woo, we have someone to hate again! Let's sling all this pent up rage we've been bottling up at our latest target!"

You're either an idiot or have been living under a rock if you think poopsocking disappeared. What you've had is one guild monopolising content for the better part of a year and others happily living off scraps thrown out by the top dogs to avoid other guilds ganging up and forcing a rule change which threatens the status quo.

AG hated Riot and both guilds were guilty of extreme pettiness, inconsistency and contradictions. It's surprising how quickly the mindset within AG raid leaders has gone from "Fuck Riot" to best buddies in the space of a few days.

Good luck to Riot. Good luck to AG. Just play the game and have fun. So much bitterness over nothing.

[Dogma]

Nobody with us is looking to spice it up nor inject drama in game.The drama on the server these days are of care bear levels. You should thank us for putting some spice back in.

[rezzie]

in game

[Dogma]

You should try taking a shower and get clean. Saturated with bullshit for so long that you can't even smell it on you anymore.

[rezzie]

You should try taking a shower and get clean. Saturated with bullshit for so long that you can't even smell it on you anymore.


Before I get into my post, I'd like to preface by saying that I'm a member of Tempest who is a bit of an idealist. I have my own unrealistic hopes for this server that are the primary reason I choose Tempest as my home. Tempest is the only weapon that I can wield to achieve this dream. The following are all my opinions only. Feel free to agree.

Tempest was founded with ambitious and perhaps arrogant goals: We're going to be the better players.

It was founded by and continues to be led by wolves. Veteran raiders who share similar goals as mine, but are very much better suited to dealing with the current raid scene. The end game is a vicious place and requires a particularly savage and objective adherence to beliefs to wade through. This makes them targets. This makes them difficult to deal with sometimes. And if you have even half an understanding of what they're doing, it makes them very respectable.

I say better and not best because we are fallible. We do make mistakes. We own up to our mistakes outright. We concede mobs when we've botched the pull. Our most criticized moments are often us seeking a change in the competition. If change isn't sought from a mistake, then it wasn't a mistake. We will always and immediately seek that change within. It is always disappointing when we expect others to do the same.

In a relatively closed and isolated community like P99, far too much toxicity and hatred exists in the end game content. Tempest holds ourselves to far higher standards than many other raiding guilds because we've realized long ago that adherence to the rules would make us unique. It would force us to become better players to overcome many inherent disadvantages that we place upon ourselves in order to achieve similar accomplishments as other guilds who would cheat, lie and manipulate not only the server staff but their companions in this community of ours.

This has made Tempest a target from day one. You see it in RNF threads. You see it just standing in ToV. We are a target because we are better. We are succeeding greatly at extreme disadvantages and players in other guilds can't stand it.

I don't take offense to their pathetic RNF posts and attempts to goad our players. It's a sign that we've bothered them. It's proof that they feel threatened, embarrassed and probably jealous of what Tempest has done and continues to do. The rhetoric remains inane chatter that shows the abysmal creativity and stooping moral standards of our competition.

They will continue to lurk in our guilds on "secret" alts. They will continue to log in on stolen guild character accounts to read guild chat. They will continue to eaves drop in our VOIP. They will continue to post screenshots from our Member perspective like it's some kind of holy grail for them.

And we will continue being better.

Really the worst part of it is that so few people seem to understand the server situation.

The community continues to swell numbers of toxic players. There exists an absolutely disgusting amount of players who have been outright banned from the game but are allowed to continue spitting vitriol on the forums with no other goal other than to disrupt and damage this community. That's what they want from this community, and that's what they're getting. It remains largely unchecked in game as well.

The only way forward is to become a better player. This server will only exist in a playable state if individual members come to this realization and seek to make it a better place. That's what Tempest is trying to do with the end game raid scene, and we are facing incredible opposition. These players who relish in the disorder they can sow and profit from never seem to miss a chance to take a stab at Tempests efforts in this regard.

Yes, we restrict our members from speaking in RNF because it really has no reason to exist. You should notice that it is the only place our competition feels safe enough to talk. It's the only place they tell their jokes and comfort eachother with rhetoric.

Here's the fun thing they don't even realize though: Tempest isn't engaging in these tit-for-tat squabbles. RNF continues to be a cesspool of community delinquents and players who are banned from the game. Some of these cancers we've been ridden of, others I hope the server staff will soon recognize for what they are and properly address.

So here's my invitation to the rest of the playerbase in helping acknowledge these people for what they are. Join us in our effort to make this server what it should be.

This server is too small and isolated to be pricks to eachother. The server has too much potential for us to hold long term grudges. It's time for people to grow up and be accountable. Be respectable.

We're all adults here. I'm proud to be part of the guild that doesn't hide that fact.

[rezzie]

More preface: these are still only my opinions. This is not Tempest rhetoric. This is my own personal vision. If you're mistaking my words here for the voice of Tempest, you would be mistaken. Tempest is the home of my dreams and ally to my values.

I am a member of Tempest but I should define that I am not blindly loyal to Tempest. Tempest is absolutely the most fair and abiding guild on the server. It is the only guild that puts the server rules above its own well-being. This is how all guilds should function. This is how all guilds should be MADE to function. The rules exist to create fairness and balance. They exist to prevent abuses that have somehow been allowed to permeate every-single-week. A guild should not shirk from these rules for short-term gains. Competition is welcomed but no guild should ever have to cheat and lie to get nearly meaningless pixels. I'm very proud that Tempest exists fully above board in this regard. We do not ask ourselves "Did anyone see us breaking a rule?" We just ask "DID WE BREAK A RULE?" and that is the absolute decider of whether a mob is conceded. "What can we do better next time?" is always the next question. Ask any member whether these statements are true, I dare you. If this ever changes in Tempest, it will not be home to me any longer but I am confident that in those terms, my stay in Tempest is cemented.

I have never had a truly bad experience with the staff here. I've been in similar shoes before and even when I would disagree with their decision, I can understand how they might have arrived there. It is not an easy job. It takes a special dedication and caring for this server to do what they do week in and week out. I have a respect for them that I can't fully express in words.

I like to think I was a pretty average member of this community. I like to think that most people who play this server are typically quiet, good-natured members. They keep their heads down and play the game casually and try to not cause trouble. I bet most don't frequent the forums, only coming there for trading access and server chat threads, not drama. That's a pretty nice way to live.

That is normal. That is what things should be like.

I realized recently that I've been a silent observer here for far too long. That the direction of the server is no longer being coordinated solely by the staff, but rather by the misanthropic players among us who would rather revel in the smoldering chaos that they can create. So I can no longer be silent.

I'm glad that the cancers of this server are so outspoken. It makes them easy to identify. I've given a couple days for some of the things I've said to circulate and sink in... and many of those I speak of couldn't help themselves and did run rampant with some of my statements. I understand that some of them are very concerned by what my words might do for their own efforts here. Others simply don't understand what I'm doing yet or who I even am. Perhaps if they could actually log in they'd know. They'll have to wait to be told instead.

I refuse to let attacks on this community continue unmitigated and unchecked. We should be speaking out against their actions. It is not acceptable for us to allow them to determine what is normal for this community. It is self-defeating as they will cause irreversible and catastrophic damage before they are addressed in any meaningful fashion if we let them continue like this. This server will never be the same and it will likely never recover.

The stirrings my previous post caused were better than I expected. It's interesting that they cling to the same few stories about Tempest like children to their security blankets. They ran out of ammo so fast they started telling stories about how THEY screw up with implication it's Tempest's fault. Guess they forgot to put the spin on those ones. It is even through these reactions that I do not hold a grudge against them. I wish for them to see that a change is needed. I wish that they would make that decision themselves.

I once called many of them friend and it is not with anger or political ploy that I make these posts. I am deeply concerned for the continuation of this Project and I believe the only path it has without change is a lesser course than even today. I believe if that if the venom and hatred that exist on these forums and in-game between fellow enthusiasts of this EverQuest Project continues unabated, there will be devastating changes in the climate that I fear would not be survivable for most. It is not fair to the staff and players who have invested so much into this server.

This is a call to action. I am not asking the community to join us in Tempest (though you're welcome to). I am asking the many to speak out against the few. Form your own opinions from what evidence you can access and know that EVERYTHING posted in RNF is a weapon aimed against this server.

I said before that this community is too isolated for us to exist here full of hatred. I'm not calling out guilds. I'm not naming individuals. I am addressing behavior. I am drawing attention to how we, as adults playing a 20 year old elf simulator, treat eachother and the game that we collectively appreciate. I genuinely believe that this is an issue that resides beyond guild boundaries and loyalties. I'm speaking to individuals who want this server to stop being so infected. There is enough filth in the real world, let this be our escape from that.

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Originally Posted by Dogma View Post
So here's my invitation to the rest of the playerbase in helping acknowledge these people for what they are. Join us in our effort to make this server what it should be.
I'd like to extend this invitation to the indifferent server staff whose fervor are the real catalyst for making this server tick. I would specifically ask the staff and the playerbase to objectively examine the actions of individuals. Do not define what is acceptable today by what was tolerated yesterday. That is the slipperiest slope of all. Ask yourself what the absolute should be. Set your own standard and compare the actions to that. That's all you have to do. It should be easy and quite revealing.

Watch what Tempest does. See who we are for yourself instead of being told by others what we are.

And try to remember: Finding answers is not the same thing as solving problems. We need to solve the problem.

It's a game. Chill out, enjoy it.

[Dogma]

A good post. I think you'll find me difficult to troll. Go digging though.

I don't say anything I'm not proud of.

[matticas]

Does nobody know what a snipe is? If you're going to be angry children about this, at least get your terms right.

[rezzie]

This server is too small and isolated to be pricks to eachother. The server has too much potential for us to hold long term grudges.

Very sensible words.

Since we formed we've killed two old world mobs with two groups of friends. That netted us a tirade of abuse and some extremely distasteful and lewd remarks sent to some of our members.

We've also done a successful ring war which peaked at 38 people. During the entire war we had people from Riot and AG both openly wishing we'd fail and ready to gloat if we lost.

We also had a flurry drake deliberately trained on our raid, killing enough of our players to negate any realistic attempt at Vulak. Really disappointing to see Carnosaur do that, presumably at the direction of AG raid leads.

Take a step back and stop looking at everything with your rose tinted glasses. Just because you dislike a small faction of players doesn't mean that everything against them is justified.

[Dogma]

Nope. That's what AG did and I was happy to let them give it a try.

You're probably the most two-faced person I've ever known. Trying to quote me to me is pretty pathetic. You're not going to fool anyone.

You and yours will backstab and fuck over anyone and everyone for pixels or less.

I'm glad you quoted that post in particular though. You might know it as English but understanding the words seems to still elude. Thanks for bringing it back up.

[Hideousclaw]

presumably at the direction of AG raid leads.

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[CancerMage]

A good post. I think you'll find me difficult to troll. Go digging though.

I don't say anything I'm not proud of.

no offense but i doubt it, you seem like the exact kind of toxicity blue player we don't want on green. Take a hike with that blue shit for real. God the levels of unfun you bring to your guild must suck so bad. There is a way to be a serious raiding guild without having a 12 ft stick shoved up your ass. My god. Please never come to green, and keep your friends there as well.

/swipes left

[Hideousclaw]

God the levels of unfun you bring to your guild must suck so bad.

Babycomeback.gif @ Dogma

[Dogma]

no offense then some stuff trying to be offensive but no one cares what a random troll account has to say anywaysKeep talking though. You're gonna anyways, coward

[reznor_]

We’re all having a lot of fun in Guild. Isn’t that why we play p99 in the first place?

[Loke]

Oh man, I didnt realize Dogma was the person who made that ridiculous post about Tempest. That has to be one of the most delusional, naive, and embarrassing posts I've read on these forums. Seriously guy, step away from the keyboard and seek help.

On the plus side, it totally inspired the name of the alt guild I keep characters that I share with buddies in other guilds. PST for invites to <Led by Wolves>, all are welcome!

[Awweshux]

Non officer plebian AG guild member here. Way i see it is it was like a step family coming together. We kiddies were kinda suspicious at first, but had no choice but to go with it. So we did the best we could to live together. It was a challenge - blending cultures always is. One family was more intense and the other was pretty chill. Both had a lot of knowledge and shared it. The chill fam were like, "take it down a notch bro." The intense fam was like "all ya'll get yer shit together and let's go dammit." The blended fam had some good times and some bad times. And then. Just as the kids were getting to really know each other and bond, the parents decided to fuck it and get divorced. One parent pretty much just up and left. The new fam split. The kids who were left were surprised, felt sorta rejected, sorry and surprised to see the other kids up and leave. Felt bad, man. Some shit was said; some shit was not said; some nice things were said by the nicest ppl. Some ppl more understanding in general than others. In the end, the chill family just moved on. The kids looked at each other and said, "whew. thaaat was weird." And the fam rocks on.

[Arkanjil]

Non officer plebian AG guild member here. Way i see it is it was like a step family coming together. We kiddies were kinda suspicious at first, but had no choice but to go with it. So we did the best we could to live together. It was a challenge - blending cultures always is. One family was more intense and the other was pretty chill. Both had a lot of knowledge and shared it. The chill fam were like, "take it down a notch bro." The intense fam was like "all ya'll get yer shit together and let's go dammit." The blended fam had some good times and some bad times. And then. Just as the kids were getting to really know each other and bond, the parents decided to fuck it and get divorced. One parent pretty much just up and left. The new fam split. The kids who were left were surprised, felt sorta rejected, sorry and surprised to see the other kids up and leave. Felt bad, man. Some shit was said; some shit was not said; some nice things were said by the nicest ppl. Some ppl more understanding in general than others. In the end, the chill family just moved on. The kids looked at each other and said, "whew. thaaat was weird." And the fam rocks on.

Outside the RNF drama, I actually enjoyed hanging out with AG folks when I was around playing. Lavittz and I got along. At the end of the day, a lot of us all get along just fine. Some people take this stuff way too seriously and grow hatred out of nothing. I'm sure we've all been guilded with one another at some point in this server's history.

We're just a bunch of elf loving nerds playing a great game together, with some salt thrown in.

[Goodest]

WNN reporting from RNF. Seems like <Guild> I mean <RenamedGuild> is forcing the server back into a competition again they didn't want to poop sock and clear to targets beforehand two months ago. The main question to ask, they have less members of a "strike force" that got zero pixals during the this last cycle but report they " get all the pixals in two months again" cyverr. Care to comment DMX?

[Arkanjil]

WNN reporting from RNF. Seems like <Guild> I mean <RenamedGuild> is forcing the server back into a competition again they didn't want to poop sock and clear to targets beforehand two months ago. The main question to ask, they have less members of a "strike force" that got zero pixals during the this last cycle but report they " get all the pixals in two months again" cyverr. Care to comment DMX?

I would like to comment that you probably have aids. Maybe even coronavirus as well. Thanks and that'll be all.

[reznor_]

WNN reporting from RNF. Seems like <Guild> I mean <RenamedGuild> is forcing the server back into a competition again they didn't want to poop sock and clear to targets beforehand two months ago. The main question to ask, they have less members of a "strike force" that got zero pixals during the this last cycle but report they " get all the pixals in two months again" cyverr. Care to comment DMX?

Renamed only because someone was a salty lil bitch. It was a good name.

I dunno, I had more fun getting zero pixels this cycle than I have in a while. Seems you latch onto the comments of one person pretty hard.

[Arkanjil]

Renamed only because someone was a salty lil bitch. It was a good name.

I dunno, I had more fun getting zero pixels this cycle than I have in a while. Seems you latch onto the comments of one person pretty hard.

Hey now...we got an AoN and Ring 10 + goodies.

[reznor_]

oops, meant "zero pixels"

[Ripqozko]

None of these EBT pixels yall get now will ever get you warder loot, sorry.

[Lhord99]

Idk man, after like 10 days (?) I miss a few of the AM buds that were in AG for a spell. New personalities are fun! Will say that raid voice has been a little more laid back (probably get a few eye-rolls on that one), but I like it that way, and so do my quieter AG constituents. We got a lovely Cleric back in guild, who had previously left, which made me happy (also more eye rolls prob).

Still keeping in contact with the guild652 buds that I made from their AG tenure, however short it was. Was cool being in a guild with DMX - I've always enjoyed the server celebs, and he's a hoot (and great player). Lavittz, Miggy, Valick, Huf, DMX, Playbook, even Detoxx for a hiccup - all under one roof - is prob a server highlight for me.

I'll def miss the de-pantsing during mob encounters; that got me every time. Hope you guys have fun, wherever you wind up (and whatever you wind up being called... one gripe is the name, bbz. Gotta get that changed, asap!).

[reznor_]

We got a lovely Cleric back in guild, who had previously left


hard eye roll at that one. I won't re-open my argument with that, though : )

FWIW I enjoy a lot of my AG folks. That hasn't changed. The formation of Guild just brought the insects of RnF out of the woodwork to talk a lot of shit about things they really don't know anything about. The game's still fun -- I look forward to the future in the collection of raid guilds here.

[radda]

it came down to 1 small group of people from AM to join with AG.
it seemed that they had lost their core and that merge seemed reasonable.

they did not count on all the warm bodies an there was no pay to the ones tracking and RTE'ing.

why would the ones who are knowledgeable and have a drive to succeed stay?
it's the same as being burnt out, there was no replacment.

should have never joined and instead band by your brothers and sisters agaisnt a wall of opposition in waiting for the right time to rise.

[Brocode]

Is this RNF or Political propaganda to be elected next President Guild?

YOU EVIL, NO YOU, YOU, NO YOU, I AM THE GOOD MAN, NO YOU NOT! HERE I HAVE TAPED VIDEO OF YOUR WORDS......

is this election year?

[Hideousclaw]

is this election year?

Yes

[kaizersoze]

it came down to 1 small group of people from AM to join with AG.
it seemed that they had lost their core and that merge seemed reasonable.

they did not count on all the warm bodies an there was no pay to the ones tracking and RTE'ing.

why would the ones who are knowledgeable and have a drive to succeed stay?
it's the same as being burnt out, there was no replacment.

should have never joined and instead band by your brothers and sisters agaisnt a wall of opposition in waiting for the right time to rise.

lol what are you talking about. I for one definitely got my DKP for tracking cothing and RTE'ing whenever I took those roles. But if people didnt want to step in after people wanted to take a break, thats another issue entirely. Something that did for sure cost us a shot at one KT because it spawned like a minute later on one of them.

A few bad cycles where people didnt want to step up because the loot conveyor belt wasnt a thing anymore and they want to go splinter off instead or they didnt want to stay in the agreements we made as a guild for QOL of raiders (and giving some of the non neckbeards a shot at some mobs that arent even that great like some fear golems.)

I didnt have a problem w most of the AM merger dudes, like I said earlier, and the ones who left are definitely some of the guys who stepped up a lot which sucks for us. Just a few who were really fucking whiny when everything wasn't going our way.