Guise camp: go to bed

[chaos1990]

please go to bed

I have checked this camp every 6-8 hours for two weeks and it's never been less than 5 people usually averaging 7-9.

https://i.imgur.com/RcUssOI.jpg

[Octopath]

Being a dark elf isn’t easy

[Sibelia1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh_vIlp-300

[Tethler]

It's only gonna get worse as it gets closer to removal. Just bite the bullet and git er done.

[branamil]

Imagine spending 80 hours to collect a mystical trickster mask in server #06266929 that will be deleted soon

[Swish]

Roll a dark elf, enjoy the ultravision, worry less about cosmetic item.

[Kohedron]

the best part is, they are going to bed

who knew making a not classic /list would result in cheating from the terrible community

[edmazur]

How long is the typical end-to-end wait for the guise camp at this point anyway? More than 24 hours?

[Erati]

How long is the typical end-to-end wait for the guise camp at this point anyway? More than 24 hours?

did this over the weekend ( probably worse time tbh ) and several winners had put in around 24-30 hours in total at the camp.

That is however seemingly the 'high end', my mask was acquired within 20 hour which is similar to what I have observed in the past.

Expect 12-24 hour to get a Guise.

[Swish]

the best part is, they are going to bed

who knew making a not classic /list would result in cheating from the terrible community

Without a list a guild would have it on lockdown. /list is fair.

[shuklak]

Imagine spending 80 hours to collect a mystical trickster mask in server #06266929 that will be deleted soon

When you truly look at eq addicted players whether p99, red, or the official eq tlps, its truly fucked up how far gone a lot of these people are. It's might be impossible to appreciate when you're in the frame, but it's possible to take a step back.

At least when you recover from heroin you get a redemption story...

[axisofebola]

When you truly look at eq addicted players whether p99, red, or the official eq tlps, its truly fucked up how far gone a lot of these people are. It's might be impossible to appreciate when you're in the frame, but it's possible to take a step back.

At least when you recover from heroin you get a redemption story...

What is the general redemption arc of a forumquester?

[magnetaress]

It's 2020 ya'll can discord or Hotmail account eachother hand off times, no need to wait around at the camp until you are ready to do the hand offs.

Anyway, I rolled a dark elf, put my points in CHA, do not need a mask to pretend to be a dark elf, I am a happy dark elf. Never a half elf, or non-elf.

[turbosilk]

I camped it a couple of weeks ago and during the 14 hours it took me to go from 6 to getting my guise there were 2 times we were down to 3 people and we OOC'd to get more people to come list.

[Tethler]

How long is the typical end-to-end wait for the guise camp at this point anyway? More than 24 hours?

Did it 2 weeks ago. 14.5 hrs total starting at #5.

[Kohedron]

Without a list a guild would have it on lockdown. /list is fair.
Ah, I didn't realize Green is supposed to be balanced around what isn't classic but fair, ty for clarification

[Tethler]

Ah, I didn't realize Green is supposed to be balanced around what isn't classic but fair, ty for clarification

It's balanced around whatever the devs decide to balance it around.

[DMN]

Ah, I didn't realize Green is supposed to be balanced around what isn't classic but fair, ty for clarification

Ah, I didn't realize Green is supposed to be balanced around what isn't classic but fair, ty for clarification

The problem is that (almost)nobody back in the day knew that things like guise and manastone would stop dropping. It entirely changes the calculus of player interaction. They just don't have the amount of staff to constantly litigate the invariable disputes/shitshows that would be the invariable result.

I agree with the fact they had to do something, though disagree with the implementation, since it opens another can of non-classic worms. if they do seek a fair system they will have to make all the list members get a random chance at the item when it drops-- not a system where because I and and my 4 friends have screen share I'm guaranteed to get the drop and anyone who doesn't do the same is fucked.

[Rick Sanchez]

Keep in mind your trying to compete with people who are full time stay at home son’s who literally do nothing for 12+ hours a day but play this emulator.

[Bigsham]

Without a list a guild would have it on lockdown. /list is fair.

Only if you play on stupid blue servers

on red servers guild hogging resets frequently : )

i stil have no idea how people can play blue servers

[Zeboim]

The only thing Guise needs is a level 25 limit to loot.

[DMN]

The only thing Guise needs is a level 25 limit to loot.

More like 40. Even then it wouldn't stop assholes from camping it and deleting the guise when it drops.

[Bigsham]

you think people are going to wait on a 10+ hour list to delete the item /boggle

[Thomacles]

Only if you play on stupid blue servers

on red servers guild hogging resets frequently : )

i stil have no idea how people can play blue servers

All the 7 people on Red are in a guild?

[PabloEdvardo]

I got 2 guises, both starting at 5 or 6, both took 17 hours. Maybe git gud?

[strongNpretty]

I got 2 guises, both starting at 5 or 6, both took 17 hours. Maybe git gud?

I'm sorry, "git gud"? At what?

Sitting?
Staying Awake?
Sucking Down Stimulants?
Spelling?
Being unhealthy?
"Git Gud" by having luckier drops?
By having less of a life?

I mean please, give us some pointers Gud Sir. Thank you.

[DMN]

you think people are going to wait on a 10+ hour list to delete the item /boggle

He was saying that guise didn't need a list, just a level restriction to loot, dumb fuck.

[Madae]

I agree guise shouldn't have a list, just a level to loot restriction. 35 was what was on the wiki when deciding who could enter the list, but I'm not sure if that's implemented at all.

[edmazur]

Is there not actually a level 35 /list requirement for the guise camp? I'd read that on the wiki too and had assumed it to be true.

I'm a super casual ranger and am only at level 25...my goal has been to get to 35 in time to try to get a guise.

[Madae]

And this may be controversial, but I don't see a reason to remove it per classic item deletion rules either. Rubicite and Manastone sure, since the loot table is altered with Rubicite to Ravenscale, and Manastone just being a ridiculous item that never should have existed anyway, but guise is just a neat luxury item that is really only used for ultravision, imo. The reputation benefit isn't a big deal since there are plenty of ways to raise faction, most people ignore it in specific cases anyway, and it's not like it matters if you can enter Neriak or not.

[KansasComrade]

I'm sorry, "git gud"? At what?

Sitting?
Staying Awake?
Sucking Down Stimulants?
Spelling?
Being unhealthy?
"Git Gud" by having luckier drops?
By having less of a life?

I mean please, give us some pointers Gud Sir. Thank you.

Yes, those certainly couldn't hurt.

[Madae]

I thought the idea of the list was a good idea when I first started here, but after experiencing it, I would much rather waste my time in a group getting something done and lose every single roll than have to sit in one spot doing pretty much nothing for 10 hours typing every 9 minutes to keep me in the list just so I can get the item... and 10 hours is generous, Manastone and Rubicite are not worth the amount of time it takes to get one.

[Tethler]

I thought the idea of the list was a good idea when I first started here, but after experiencing it, I would much rather waste my time in a group getting something done and lose every single roll than have to sit in one spot doing pretty much nothing for 10 hours typing every 9 minutes to keep me in the list just so I can get the item... and 10 hours is generous, Manastone and Rubicite are not worth the amount of time it takes to get one.

Some asshat would lock down the camp and sell loot rights before letting you in the group.

[Madae]

Some asshat would lock down the camp and sell loot rights before letting you in the group.

I have no problem with that. I could spend my time somewhere else getting exp and making money to buy what I want instead of being forced to sit down and wait in a 10+ hour list doing nothing useful.

You really didn't see a lot of people locking down this camp specifically to sell loot rights on the TLP servers, but maybe that mentality would be different on P99, though. I suppose the big difference here is that you aren't allowed to box. Most TLP farmers were boxing to camp better items.

At any rate, list is really punishing to casual players. Maybe no one gives a shit about them, maybe most everyone on P99 are "hardcore", but there will still be a lot of people who will never get these items because of varying reasons.

[a_gnome_collector]

Got this on my rogue when teal was a thing. Took 2 hrs.

[reznor_]

Got this on my rogue when teal was a thing. Took 2 hrs.

I hope you aren't a DE rogue. That is the only thing I have ever been salty about a list camp about, watching a DE rogue loot one (props to him for maximum troll, though).

Guise took me 4 hours total, over...2 or 3 sessions? I figured green+teal would merge again relatively quickly and so frontloaded my playtime to get a guise on my monk.

[Tethler]

I hope you aren't a DE rogue. That is the only thing I have ever been salty about a list camp about, watching a DE rogue loot one (props to him for maximum troll, though).

Guise took me 4 hours total, over...2 or 3 sessions? I figured green+teal would merge again relatively quickly and so frontloaded my playtime to get a guise on my monk.

If you loot one as a DE, does it change your face? I've been curious about that.

[reznor_]

If you loot one as a DE, does it change your face? I've been curious about that.

Good question, I don't know. I stopped paying attention when he looted it and left because I was salty.

[reznor_]

(I didn't leave, he did!) Punctuation matters.

[douglas1999]

Guise list is definitely punishing to casuals I agree, because unlike manastone and rubi BP it's no drop so you can never get one later on no matter how much plat you save. However, guise is also arguably the easiest of the list camps, and if you do it in your mid 30's-early 40s you at least make a bit of XP for your trouble and also can maybe win a TBB. I'd say I'm somewhere between casual and neckbeard; I did get myself a rubi BP but I absolutely refuse to camp a manastone. Guise was the first one I did because of the aformentioned no-drop status.

[edmazur]

I'm finally high enough level to /list for Guise. I don't know if this is a representative experience, but...

It's currently been about 20 hours since the last Guise dropped. The current #1 has been at the camp for around 38 hours. I myself joined about 10 hours ago and have moved from position 11 to position 9 in that time. Hopefully just bad luck!

[Wed Apr 01 10:01:49 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 11.
[Wed Apr 01 10:29:51 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 11.
[Wed Apr 01 10:47:10 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 10.
[Wed Apr 01 15:58:41 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 10.
[Wed Apr 01 16:35:02 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 9.
[Wed Apr 01 19:36:32 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 9.

[edmazur]

Well that was kind of funny. A few minutes after my post, a Guise dropped! Drought over. Position 8 now.

[drdrakes]

#1 @ Rubi BP was there ~38 hours this week.

[douglas1999]

If you only notice the times it takes forever to drop, its easy to forget about those other times like 9 guises drop in a day, or 4 rubi bps, or whatever. RNG gonna RNG but I still think the /list system is the best possible antidote to the sociopathic neckbearding that would be happening without it.

[douglas1999]

I've camped gynok in befallen sooo many times. Like 8 times on green alone cause its an easy camp to farm while you're mostly afk at work or whatever. Sometimes it's taken like 17 hours, other times only a couple hours, and once I literally had a 2nd gynok spawn directly after the guy before me got his.

[drdrakes]

If you only notice the times it takes forever to drop, its easy to forget about those other times like 9 guises drop in a day, or 4 rubi bps, or whatever. RNG gonna RNG but I still think the /list system is the best possible antidote to the sociopathic neckbearding that would be happening without it.

Should never take 20 hours for a guise to drop though.

[Secrets]

How the hell are you guys staying awake for more than 35 hours on a /list?

I feel like we're breaking some world records for people staying awake here.

[Buellen]

Probably account sharing or crack/speed addicts <shrugs>

[edmazur]

Well, that was quite a ride. I added myself to the list sort of on a whim, but learned the hard way that the longer you go, the tighter the grip gets. After a certain point, you no longer consider turning back because you've already sunk so much cost in that you'd have to repay if you started over. I don't know how I'm still functioning after a 30 hour camp, but it was a fun group of people over the hours. I'm also now kind of questioning what I'm doing with my life, but I guess at least I got a DE mask...

Good luck to anyone else that tries - I hope you don't have multiple ~10 hour droughts like we did (bold annotations added by me):

[Wed Apr 01 10:01:49 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 11.
[Wed Apr 01 10:47:10 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 10. [DROP/AFK]
[Wed Apr 01 13:31:31 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Cekko! [DIRK]
[Wed Apr 01 13:32:16 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 10.
[Wed Apr 01 16:35:02 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 9. [DROP/AFK]
[Wed Apr 01 19:40:19 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Bejita! [GUISE]
[Wed Apr 01 19:40:54 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 8.
[Wed Apr 01 21:30:07 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 7. [DROP/AFK]
[Wed Apr 01 23:27:53 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Fearless! [GUISE]
[Wed Apr 01 23:27:57 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 6.
[Thu Apr 02 00:10:21 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 5. [DROP/AFK]
[Thu Apr 02 01:51:20 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Khelbin! [GUISE]
[Thu Apr 02 01:51:22 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 4.
[Thu Apr 02 02:03:42 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 3. [DROP/AFK]
[Thu Apr 02 04:13:42 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Khelbin! [GUISE]
[Thu Apr 02 04:13:43 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 2.
[Thu Apr 02 05:38:58 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Tarli! [DIRK]
[Thu Apr 02 08:58:02 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Tarli! [DIRK]
[Thu Apr 02 11:19:59 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Khelbin! [DIRK]
[Thu Apr 02 12:44:53 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Cekko! [DIRK]
[Thu Apr 02 14:09:56 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Cekko! [GUISE]
[Thu Apr 02 14:09:59 2020] You are already on a list. You are position 1.
[Thu Apr 02 16:03:13 2020] a ghoul assassin has been slain by Basen! [GUISE]
[Thu Apr 02 16:03:13 2020] *** Your List Item has dropped! You have exclusive permission to loot the corpse, and you have been removed from the list. ***
[Thu Apr 02 16:03:19 2020] --You have looted a Guise of the Deceiver.--

The final scene:

https://i.imgur.com/i7ak3LC.png

[Relbaic]

Had a guildie go from #10 on Manastone to looting in about 28 hours, then one didnt drop for 30 hours after. RNG is RNG.

[Gustoo]

Never seemed that rare on red.

[kaizersoze]

Remove all legacy items 2020

[solleks]

https://i.imgur.com/xr8CG7y.png

[JDFriend99]

All the 7 people on Red are in a guild?

Right omfg. Been saying that for years. Same 5-7 boxers totaling 35 max.

Enough red comments. No one wants to pvp swords and magic. They would be playing one of the umpteen games out with smashing boxes and sniping if they did.

You all stay on red and enjoy your silence.