Are GMs actually adressing /petitions?

[Feracitus]

Is there a more effective way of adressing gms about a player training me in my camp trying to steal it?
Player Zetaz has killed me twice on sisters camp in OOT already, trying to steal the camp from me.

My character name is Manakim Devorare. If any GMs see this, i can give all the details.

[Pretzelle]

get a video recording and petition it on the forums.

[galach]

I get around to all of them when I am on & the player that petitioned is on. For stuff like training, the staff either needs to see it themselves or have video proof. It's best to have video proof if a staff member isn't on to help you out right away.

[Feracitus]

I get around to all of them when I am on & the player that petitioned is on. For stuff like training, the staff either needs to see it themselves or have video proof. It's best to have video proof if a staff member isn't on to help you out right away.

well i dont have any recording, but cant you check logs or something? i've literally been here all day and this bozo stroll up and claim a camp that isnt his, and then use it as an excuse to train the red con on me twice.

[BurtMacklinFBI]

Sounds like you need obs

[Feracitus]

Well guess that's a thing right. Gonna stream to twitch and archive from now on.

[zillabunny]

I'm still not sure why you need the video evidence?

Just query 2 users zone in times

Check who killed the last 5 mobs from the time of petition

Implement the play nice policy from there?

[Pretzelle]

I'm still not sure why you need the video evidence?

Just query 2 users zone in times

Check who killed the last 5 mobs from the time of petition

Implement the play nice policy from there?

It's on you to provide evidence. They can only see so much from the logs (most of the story but not all the moving parts).

[Videri]

It's on you to provide evidence. They can only see so much from the logs (most of the story but not all the moving parts).

Quoted for truth.

I had thought it was common knowledge that video evidence was necessary to warrant disciplinary action for training, but...I used to play on Red99, which explains why I know that. :p

Well guess that's a thing right. Gonna stream to twitch and archive from now on.

I think you're making the right move by recording stuff, in case you experience such behavior again. Good luck.

[Feracitus]

get a video recording and petition it on the forums.


What would be the apropriate forum to petition with a video? is there a specific one, or just post it here?

[galach]

What would be the apropriate forum to petition with a video? is there a specific one, or just post it here?

petition/exploit. Include any information as well. It's best to have a short clip or have annotations in the video of what we need to watch. I can't watch through a 30 or 50 minute video without knowing where the issues are.

[Madbad]

I mean like, if its funny post it here too

[Castle2.0]

https://obsproject.com/ --> video --> Petition Forum https://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

[Hazek]

I'm still not sure why you need the video evidence?

Just query 2 users zone in times

Check who killed the last 5 mobs from the time of petition

Implement the play nice policy from there?

Because everything takes time and they're already overworked.

Make it faster and easier for them with video and screenshots.

[Natewest1987]

I mean like, if its funny post it here too

LOL

He means if it’s funny or embarrassing, please.

[Natewest1987]

FYI they do follow up, as others have mentioned, but depending on their availability this may likely be well after the problem has resolved.

Word of advice - don’t wait around. Submit your petition if you feel you need to, but often you’ll find it’s better to just let karma take its course than to sit around contending with some idiot who could give a shit less whether they’re banned or not. Finding something else to do for a little while is more to your own benefit than theirs. Anyone who is willfully breaking rules like they is just gonna continue to shit all over your day and drag you down with them.

[Feracitus]

FYI they do follow up, as others have mentioned, but depending on their availability this may likely be well after the problem has resolved.

Word of advice - don’t wait around. Submit your petition if you feel you need to, but often you’ll find it’s better to just let karma take its course than to sit around contending with some idiot who could give a shit less whether they’re banned or not. Finding something else to do for a little while is more to your own benefit than theirs. Anyone who is willfully breaking rules like they is just gonna continue to shit all over your day and drag you down with them.


I'm afraid my personality wont entertain this course of action =P Fight to the death.

[Crashking]

petition/exploit. Include any information as well. It's best to have a short clip or have annotations in the video of what we need to watch. I can't watch through a 30 or 50 minute video without knowing where the issues are.

So information from actual log files with consistent time stamping isn't enough because people could fake them - (Consider that permaban thing for such attempts).

Now its become we have to be video experts and provide timed play by play because a long recording of constant bad behavior 30+ minutes is too much.

I mean damn to sit there and make any sort of petition with any attempt at real evidence is rather time consuming which could be better spent having fun on our characters. I fully support reporting people breaking the rules because its the only way we can try to correct their behavior or have them removed from the server.

I can speak from practical experience, because I have submitted things in many forms and doing video work is just added work. There is fact of getting a recording, then if its raw data, compressing it so that it doesn't take 2 days to upload, and now you want the players to spoon feed exact time clips and play by play. I mean by no means am I going to edit a video to provide play by play commentary such that it will then be claimed to be faked. Game logs provide consistent time stamping of all the mob / player / and text; this information should be good enough to get a picture of what's going on in general.

[Hazek]

So information from actual log files with consistent time stamping isn't enough because people could fake them - (Consider that permaban thing for such attempts).

Now its become we have to be video experts and provide timed play by play because a long recording of constant bad behavior 30+ minutes is too much.

I mean damn to sit there and make any sort of petition with any attempt at real evidence is rather time consuming which could be better spent having fun on our characters. I fully support reporting people breaking the rules because its the only way we can try to correct their behavior or have them removed from the server.

I can speak from practical experience, because I have submitted things in many forms and doing video work is just added work. There is fact of getting a recording, then if its raw data, compressing it so that it doesn't take 2 days to upload, and now you want the players to spoon feed exact time clips and play by play. I mean by no means am I going to edit a video to provide play by play commentary such that it will then be claimed to be faked. Game logs provide consistent time stamping of all the mob / player / and text; this information should be good enough to get a picture of what's going on in general.

Text can be edited so logs are useless.

Record smaller clips from the original video and you dont even need to compress it if you use OBS. Then upload to youtube.

Staff don't have time to sit there through 30 minute videos. And if you can't be bothered to record smaller clips for your petition then why should they do it.

[cd288]

I'm still not sure why you need the video evidence?

Just query 2 users zone in times

Check who killed the last 5 mobs from the time of petition

Implement the play nice policy from there?

Because that doesn't really tell you anything. Technically, they could've agreed to some sort of rotation or split. Or the person who was originally claiming the camp was AFK and therefore lost the camp and is now claiming the new person is KSing. Etc. etc.

You can't tell the whole situation from the info you listed, and so it would be totally unfair to met out discipline based on assumptions you drew from totally incomplete info.

[galach]

So information from actual log files with consistent time stamping isn't enough because people could fake them - (Consider that permaban thing for such attempts).

Now its become we have to be video experts and provide timed play by play because a long recording of constant bad behavior 30+ minutes is too much.

I mean damn to sit there and make any sort of petition with any attempt at real evidence is rather time consuming which could be better spent having fun on our characters. I fully support reporting people breaking the rules because its the only way we can try to correct their behavior or have them removed from the server.

I can speak from practical experience, because I have submitted things in many forms and doing video work is just added work. There is fact of getting a recording, then if its raw data, compressing it so that it doesn't take 2 days to upload, and now you want the players to spoon feed exact time clips and play by play. I mean by no means am I going to edit a video to provide play by play commentary such that it will then be claimed to be faked. Game logs provide consistent time stamping of all the mob / player / and text; this information should be good enough to get a picture of what's going on in general.

Logs show one side. You can just wipe yourself & petition say you were trained by so-and-so. The logs would show that you stopped killing, but it wouldn't prove you were trained or if you just died due to bad luck. Just like any evidence, video evidence trumps all.

You can have OBS always recording in a buffer and just hit a keystroke to save the last 5 or 10 minutes. I'd suggest having this going just in case. It's not 2002 where FRAPS took up your entire hard drive in 15 minutes & took 95% of your CPU and GPU to run.

It literally takes one key stroke to save the last 5,10, 15 minutes (whatever you want) and 1 click to upload it to streamable. You can just say this happens at XX:XX. Not that hard. I can't be available 24/7 to deal with issues & like I said I need to see it first hand or have video evidence as proof.

[derpcake2]

It's on you to provide evidence. They can only see so much from the logs (most of the story but not all the moving parts).

Pretty sure logs contain this info:

- who agroed what
- what attacked who
- who cast what in between of these happenings

Anyway.

[derpcake2]

Logs show one side. You can just wipe yourself & petition say you were trained by so-and-so.

Don't server logs include who agroed a mob?

I'd understand if it was a "facilitate our job" thing, just wondering since previous actions by staff have me suspecting that server logs do allow tracing these things.

[cd288]

Pretty sure logs contain this info:

- who agroed what
- what attacked who
- who cast what in between of these happenings

Anyway.

Okay, but those three things literally prove nothing in the context of a kill/camp stealing accusation. They also, by themselves, do not prove anything about an intentional training accusation.

For example, if it's a training accusation, you might see that someone aggroed something and it also attacked another player. But you have no idea of knowing if that was an intentional train unless you are there to see it, have video evidence of it, or have the accused player admitting in chat that it was intentional. All you have is someone claiming it was an intentional train, but accidental trains happen all the time and aren't against the rules. You can't look at that log and then just believe the person claiming it was intentional, because then you've unfairly punished someone for something they did totally by accident.

For another example, if it's a kill/camp stealing accusation, those logs also tell you nothing. You could have logs that show Player A killed a mob 12 minutes ago and then 12 minutes later Player B killed the same mob. That tells you nothing about whether any stealing/griefing went on. Player A could've been AFK (therefore losing the camp), they could have run off to do something while waiting for a respawn (therefore losing the camp), plus countless other types of scenarios that those logs alone wouldn't be able to tell you. You need to have video evidence, have the CSR member witness it in person, or have the accused person admit in chat that they were doing something wrong and screenshot/log it.

It's been this way going all the way back to 1999.

[Crashking]

Logs show one side. You can just wipe yourself & petition say you were trained by so-and-so. The logs would show that you stopped killing, but it wouldn't prove you were trained or if you just died due to bad luck. Just like any evidence, video evidence trumps all.

You can have OBS always recording in a buffer and just hit a keystroke to save the last 5 or 10 minutes. I'd suggest having this going just in case. It's not 2002 where FRAPS took up your entire hard drive in 15 minutes & took 95% of your CPU and GPU to run.

It literally takes one key stroke to save the last 5,10, 15 minutes (whatever you want) and 1 click to upload it to streamable. You can just say this happens at XX:XX. Not that hard. I can't be available 24/7 to deal with issues & like I said I need to see it first hand or have video evidence as proof.


I can agree that a logfile is telling a story in general from one side as it comes from the person doing the recording and there are distance limits and such to what it records.


I can also tell you that video recording is just as bad, because it only shows what is on the screen in the view aspect of the player recording it. I can speak from experience here in saying First Person doesn't really provide a great view of what is going on and to stop and trying to adjust camera while trying to stay alive isn't always possible.


The logging data captured by having game logs running can provide a far clearer picture and can be verified there by the server side data. I understand its a lot of work to deal with a petition and confirm a claim but sadly that's the job. I have some idea here to make things less stressful but since I can't get an audience with Rogean / Nilbog on issue of past, I don't see how I can present thing that should be discussed to make improvements.


I can't speak of the capability of OBS software there as I have yet to toy with it, but sure if you have and it does the buffering and such great. However, as was stated prior a short 5 or 10 min recording might not show a whole picture. Also, I stand by my statement of not getting a good idea of the situation because often we are fighting for our lives instead of trying to record proof of bad deeds.


I've stated this a number of times.. I'm more than willing to give a full days break down from my game log or even the entire things since i started playing to show that it isn't faked. and the excerpt portions pasted into a petition are indeed true and accurate.


Okay, but those three things literally prove nothing in the context of a kill/camp stealing accusation. They also, by themselves, do not prove anything about an intentional training accusation.

For example, if it's a training accusation, you might see that someone aggroed something and it also attacked another player. But you have no idea of knowing if that was an intentional train unless you are there to see it, have video evidence of it, or have the accused player admitting in chat that it was intentional. All you have is someone claiming it was an intentional train, but accidental trains happen all the time and aren't against the rules. You can't look at that log and then just believe the person claiming it was intentional, because then you've unfairly punished someone for something they did totally by accident.

For another example, if it's a kill/camp stealing accusation, those logs also tell you nothing. You could have logs that show Player A killed a mob 12 minutes ago and then 12 minutes later Player B killed the same mob. That tells you nothing about whether any stealing/griefing went on. Player A could've been AFK (therefore losing the camp), they could have run off to do something while waiting for a respawn (therefore losing the camp), plus countless other types of scenarios that those logs alone wouldn't be able to tell you. You need to have video evidence, have the CSR member witness it in person, or have the accused person admit in chat that they were doing something wrong and screenshot/log it.

It's been this way going all the way back to 1999.


While your example might provide case light to some examples. I can certainly provide you with specific counter examples that do indeed show what went on. As I have put forth exact petitions to the GMs with full game logging. As I stated before the idea of someone faking a log .. should be a completely ban-able offense if a player is caught. As with most things 2 sides to a story so yes, I'd recommend to any one else to have logging running so you can show the GM's your exact side. The comparison of both sets of logs by GM can easily show if one party has doctored something and in addition comparison to the actual server logs. I've never seen the server side stuff, but i suspect it is similar to the client side logging and has specific time stamping embedded into it.


Though the years playing here, I have been forced to learn how to be "EQ lawyer" such that I can defend myself verse any ones claims against me. The vagueness of the PnP in many areas may leave room for GM decisions, but at the same time, it allows a good amount of conflict to exist which brings forth the need to have a GM come step in. The largest problem I see is many don't know or haven't read the PnP or lack the full understanding of what is written there. In addition that can be compounded with those that have read / understand the PnP but don't care because they seem to think there is no punishment for breaking them, because the amount and burden of proof involved to report these violations falls on the victim of their actions. I can state fully that the amount of time I have put forth to submit petitions with full evidence has taken a number of hours, as I comb back though the client side logging to pull out relevant information, and provide my commentary of what was going on at that stage. The times at which I had video recording, it just compounded the time spent as I described previously. You have to use the tools you have at hand, until you can find & learn how to use better tools.


I found something new here the other day that is a number of month old and yet it weakens things allowing more people to become victims of those that don't follow the PnP.

[Bigsham]

didnt read that huge post, if you dont have evidence whats galach supposed to do?

answer: Nothing no proof

he probably has 1200 petitions from babies to deal with everytime he logs in.

[Crashking]

didnt read that huge post, if you dont have evidence whats galach supposed to do?

answer: Nothing no proof

he probably has 1200 petitions from babies to deal with everytime he logs in.




why make such a dumb post if you aren't going to read the content of the discussion?



I don't doubt there are many petitions out there. That wasn't being disputed.

[waltjig]

Fact is these guides don’t get paid so be nice and wait patiently, or go get fucked ✌️

[Menden]

I can agree that a logfile is telling a story in general from one side as it comes from the person doing the recording and there are distance limits and such to what it records.


I can also tell you that video recording is just as bad, because it only shows what is on the screen in the view aspect of the player recording it. I can speak from experience here in saying First Person doesn't really provide a great view of what is going on and to stop and trying to adjust camera while trying to stay alive isn't always possible.


The logging data captured by having game logs running can provide a far clearer picture and can be verified there by the server side data. I understand its a lot of work to deal with a petition and confirm a claim but sadly that's the job. I have some idea here to make things less stressful but since I can't get an audience with Rogean / Nilbog on issue of past, I don't see how I can present thing that should be discussed to make improvements.


I can't speak of the capability of OBS software there as I have yet to toy with it, but sure if you have and it does the buffering and such great. However, as was stated prior a short 5 or 10 min recording might not show a whole picture. Also, I stand by my statement of not getting a good idea of the situation because often we are fighting for our lives instead of trying to record proof of bad deeds.


I've stated this a number of times.. I'm more than willing to give a full days break down from my game log or even the entire things since i started playing to show that it isn't faked. and the excerpt portions pasted into a petition are indeed true and accurate.





While your example might provide case light to some examples. I can certainly provide you with specific counter examples that do indeed show what went on. As I have put forth exact petitions to the GMs with full game logging. As I stated before the idea of someone faking a log .. should be a completely ban-able offense if a player is caught. As with most things 2 sides to a story so yes, I'd recommend to any one else to have logging running so you can show the GM's your exact side. The comparison of both sets of logs by GM can easily show if one party has doctored something and in addition comparison to the actual server logs. I've never seen the server side stuff, but i suspect it is similar to the client side logging and has specific time stamping embedded into it.


Though the years playing here, I have been forced to learn how to be "EQ lawyer" such that I can defend myself verse any ones claims against me. The vagueness of the PnP in many areas may leave room for GM decisions, but at the same time, it allows a good amount of conflict to exist which brings forth the need to have a GM come step in. The largest problem I see is many don't know or haven't read the PnP or lack the full understanding of what is written there. In addition that can be compounded with those that have read / understand the PnP but don't care because they seem to think there is no punishment for breaking them, because the amount and burden of proof involved to report these violations falls on the victim of their actions. I can state fully that the amount of time I have put forth to submit petitions with full evidence has taken a number of hours, as I comb back though the client side logging to pull out relevant information, and provide my commentary of what was going on at that stage. The times at which I had video recording, it just compounded the time spent as I described previously. You have to use the tools you have at hand, until you can find & learn how to use better tools.


I found something new here the other day that is a number of month old and yet it weakens things allowing more people to become victims of those that don't follow the PnP.

Not a job

didnt read that huge post, if you dont have evidence whats galach supposed to do?

answer: Nothing no proof

he probably has 1200 petitions from babies to deal with everytime he logs in.

Pretty much on the 1200 petitions part, galach works his ass off.


Here's the thing guys, we do this on a volunteer basis. The player base can help a little in submitting their case with as much detail as possible, but don't give us a novel. If you can't do that, it's probably not that important to you. If you paid a monthly fee and this was a paid gig for us, sure maybe you would be entitled to better service and faster petitions resolutions but we do what we can. Server side logs only show so much.

Guides only have access to a small portion of the logs and when they need more data they usually turn to me which takes up my time and other tasks get left behind such as verifying drop logs which I'm incredibly far behind on.

If you find yourself having issues with players again and again, this may not be the game for you. With all my time on blue I may have had to petition once or twice. That's it.

[Dolalin]

What would be cool is a live replay log from the zone servers that could be loaded up and replayed to a client to get a full picture of what happened and who did what. One for the eqemu team maybe.

[cd288]

I can agree that a logfile is telling a story in general from one side as it comes from the person doing the recording and there are distance limits and such to what it records.


I can also tell you that video recording is just as bad, because it only shows what is on the screen in the view aspect of the player recording it. I can speak from experience here in saying First Person doesn't really provide a great view of what is going on and to stop and trying to adjust camera while trying to stay alive isn't always possible.


The logging data captured by having game logs running can provide a far clearer picture and can be verified there by the server side data. I understand its a lot of work to deal with a petition and confirm a claim but sadly that's the job. I have some idea here to make things less stressful but since I can't get an audience with Rogean / Nilbog on issue of past, I don't see how I can present thing that should be discussed to make improvements.


I can't speak of the capability of OBS software there as I have yet to toy with it, but sure if you have and it does the buffering and such great. However, as was stated prior a short 5 or 10 min recording might not show a whole picture. Also, I stand by my statement of not getting a good idea of the situation because often we are fighting for our lives instead of trying to record proof of bad deeds.


I've stated this a number of times.. I'm more than willing to give a full days break down from my game log or even the entire things since i started playing to show that it isn't faked. and the excerpt portions pasted into a petition are indeed true and accurate.





While your example might provide case light to some examples. I can certainly provide you with specific counter examples that do indeed show what went on. As I have put forth exact petitions to the GMs with full game logging. As I stated before the idea of someone faking a log .. should be a completely ban-able offense if a player is caught. As with most things 2 sides to a story so yes, I'd recommend to any one else to have logging running so you can show the GM's your exact side. The comparison of both sets of logs by GM can easily show if one party has doctored something and in addition comparison to the actual server logs. I've never seen the server side stuff, but i suspect it is similar to the client side logging and has specific time stamping embedded into it.


Though the years playing here, I have been forced to learn how to be "EQ lawyer" such that I can defend myself verse any ones claims against me. The vagueness of the PnP in many areas may leave room for GM decisions, but at the same time, it allows a good amount of conflict to exist which brings forth the need to have a GM come step in. The largest problem I see is many don't know or haven't read the PnP or lack the full understanding of what is written there. In addition that can be compounded with those that have read / understand the PnP but don't care because they seem to think there is no punishment for breaking them, because the amount and burden of proof involved to report these violations falls on the victim of their actions. I can state fully that the amount of time I have put forth to submit petitions with full evidence has taken a number of hours, as I comb back though the client side logging to pull out relevant information, and provide my commentary of what was going on at that stage. The times at which I had video recording, it just compounded the time spent as I described previously. You have to use the tools you have at hand, until you can find & learn how to use better tools.


I found something new here the other day that is a number of month old and yet it weakens things allowing more people to become victims of those that don't follow the PnP.


You wrote a ton of text that didn't really contradict anything I said. Logs can help to provide supporting evidence, but they are not enough to prove anything. Because again they don't show the full context of the situation. They show that someone engaged a mob, etc. etc.; they don't confirm that it was a kill steal (unless they engage while you were engaging as well, but even then it's not 100% direct evidence), they don't confirm that a train was intentional, etc. I was CSR back on live and can tell you logs don't paint a full enough picture unless you're talking about chat logs where they're admitting to doing the rule breaking or combat logs from some sort of list/rotation system (i.e. list at a camp or a raid rotation) where it's clearly established who should be killing what.

As a separate matter, it's kind of funny that you're arguing that volunteer guides and GMs on a free emulated server should dedicate tons of time comparing player logs to server logs just to figure out whether someone stole your random like level 30 mob while you were XPing, instead of you just doing a tiny bit of work on your end and recording it.

[Crashking]

As a separate matter, it's kind of funny that you're arguing that volunteer guides and GMs on a free emulated server should dedicate tons of time comparing player logs to server logs just to figure out whether someone stole your random like level 30 mob while you were XPing, instead of you just doing a tiny bit of work on your end and recording it.


You all are missing the big picture. First Cd288 you are making assumptions about what i am submitting petition on which is your first mistake. Second I am well aware that those working on this project as CSR are volunteer / unpaid position - they are putting forth their free time as a way to ensure the project runs (hopefully smoothly).


I am aware of the back log and it why my petitions sit. I have had some sit for 2 years to only then be closed saying doh.. sorry we aren't going to prosecute because um yeah this shits 2 years old, no telling if person X even plays. There are thing that can be done to cut down on the amount of petitions and have them move toward more of the type that strictly require staff intervention - corpse retrieval, item reimbursement from failed quest, mob under world or glitched, ect. that is the reasoning for posting.


The amount / burden of proof on the victim here in regards to case of KS or spawn stealing ect. is huge. Again pointing out that recording isn't always going to show stuff even if you happened to have it running and if you don't but happened to have game logging running - the game logs do show a set of evidence, it up the the GMs to review it. Saying it can be faked and not accepting what is there is just a line of crap because again it can be compared to server. The other person can try to present any evidence they have, that just the way trials and judgments work. Sure I get that not every place in the world has the same ideas and workings but the general concept flies. The Project has it rules, either they are to be followed by everyone equally or else screw them and just let the server become anarchy of red rules where might plays the ruling role.


If it not clear enough here I'll spell it out ... I'm not arguing against the submission of video recordings as an accepted method of proof, but I am arguing for the acceptance of client side gaming logs to be used as acceptable proof which can be reviewed by the GMs and compared against another players log and/or server side data. I'm trying to push for the enforcement of the rules such that those that are breaking them can get time off in an effort to curb their behavior. However, if that doesn't work then I'm all in favor of having them permanently removed.


As for Menden the word job is to imply task, gig, role - not PAID POSITION for time inputted.

[Sacer]

I will use that topic to get something off my chest, it made me so mad at the time.

I am in TT trying to get a seb key for an alt, I had to kill several named to finally get a froglok hunter to spawn, we were 3 in zone no other druid, I finally get one to pop, snare it and bring it to the TT tunnel where my alt was camped.

The mob has been engaged for 3 minutes at this point when I get to the tunnel I root the mob start doting and a druid mysteriously appear from nowhere, cast 2 nuke on it and let his lowbie friend loot the mob in front of me.

I was so shocked I didn't even try to outdps him, I thought it was an honest mistake and he would let me loot it or at least apologies, but nonono he nuked a mob that was a 70% hp, snared and rooted in an area where no mob path, and argued that he was in his right.

I got a froglok hunter 10min later so no big deal right? Well no I was and I am still pissed to this day, more than a year after, that someone could act like that without impunity. I did petition but I doubt anything happened.

The only thing you can do is name and shame, and hopefully people believe you. And for those people saying you need video evidence then the GMs will act, I raided enough on p99 to know that's rarely the case. But the vaste majority are good people and the server tend to police itself, it always catch up to you soon or later when you have a bad rep with such a small community.

[Bigsham]

Please condense posts into a few sentences or we cant read them.

[Smellybuttface]

Please condense posts into a few sentences or we cant read them.

I hope you mean you “won’t” read them. There is no “we.” If you actually “can’t” read a paragraph or two then there are much bigger problems at play.

[gnomishfirework]

Yes they eventually take care of business and its great when they do. Thanks staff!