P99 Forums- the worst (past or present) source of play information for classic/EMU EQ

[Gatorsmash]

Title.

The amount of fucking paint eating dipshits on this forum is staggering. Since P99's launch this forum has consistently gone down hill, I thought the first few years rivaled the retards we had on the old SK forums....(name escapes me, was folded into the shaman forums)

Example: from a cleric creation thread "Really 25 CHA is a great choice at roll (for a cleric) by Tuljin". The idiot has been here chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint giving out nuggets of gold like this beauty.

One of the dumbest things I've read on this forum in a long line of stupid shit. If you are one of these fucking idiots with links/referring your character(s) on blue or green, emu servers that spent 10 years (or launched) with some of the most game breaking, exploitable bugs in the history of EQ- exploitable bugs in game so long I left for almost 5 years after launch and they were still in ffs your account should be banned

[Nirgon]

The forum crew is mostly frustrated casuals or career terribads.

Don't let them get to you too much.

They are all part of the EQ experience and the stories you will tell later. We are blessed up to still have a classic MMO community in this sad world of forgettable drivel (basically MTX shops) they keep churning out.

[Mblake81]

They are all part of the EQ experience and the stories you will tell later. We are blessed up to still have a classic MMO community in this sad world of forgettable drivel (basically MTX shops) they keep churning out.

^
Yep.

Probably get much worse when streaming becomes standard on console devices. Microsoft will go hand over fist to drag the PC down with it as history suggests.

OP in here bitching about forum posts but at least those retards can use a keyboard.. although it probably was posted from the Iphone qwerty while they were taking their morning shit.

*sigh*.. defending what is left of this crumbling hill of scraps and I am one of the dumbest that can be found. All of the intelligent tech guys went full retard though and worship at the church of progress.

[solleks]

This thread had too many words for me, but paint is delicious

[DMN]

Title.

The amount of fucking paint eating dipshits on this forum is staggering. Since P99's launch this forum has consistently gone down hill, I thought the first few years rivaled the retards we had on the old SK forums....(name escapes me, was folded into the shaman forums)

Example: from a cleric creation thread "Really 25 CHA is a great choice at roll (for a cleric) by Tuljin". The idiot has been here chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint giving out nuggets of gold like this beauty.

One of the dumbest things I've read on this forum in a long line of stupid shit. If you are one of these fucking idiots with links/referring your character(s) on blue or green, emu servers that spent 10 years (or launched) with some of the most game breaking, exploitable bugs in the history of EQ- exploitable bugs in game so long I left for almost 5 years after launch and they were still in ffs your account should be banned


25 cha is great for any cleric who doesn't plan to be in a CH chain all of their play time(and even then, divine intervention is a raid thing). sorry you fail so badly at 21 year old elf sims.

[Frug]

The forum crew is mostly frustrated casuals or career terribads.

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[OuterChimp]

I give this R and F an 8 out of Rant and a 7 out of Flame.

Not bad OP, could be better, but not bad.

[BlackBellamy]

Title.

The amount of fucking paint eating dipshits on this forum is staggering. Since P99's launch this forum has consistently gone down hill, I thought the first few years rivaled the retards we had on the old SK forums....(name escapes me, was folded into the shaman forums)

Example: from a cleric creation thread "Really 25 CHA is a great choice at roll (for a cleric) by Tuljin". The idiot has been here chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint giving out nuggets of gold like this beauty.

One of the dumbest things I've read on this forum in a long line of stupid shit. If you are one of these fucking idiots with links/referring your character(s) on blue or green, emu servers that spent 10 years (or launched) with some of the most game breaking, exploitable bugs in the history of EQ- exploitable bugs in game so long I left for almost 5 years after launch and they were still in ffs your account should be banned

human inny 25cha 5wis any other choice you are a fucking idiot

just a brain dead piece of dog shit

a detestable fellow

[indiscriminate_hater]

Thanks OP you belong here

[Wonkie]

why is cha bad you didn't tell us latexlicker

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/QCZRGWv.jpg

[Thugnuts]

i alwyas max cha on my trolls and ogres that way people like them more

i mean its not even hard to understand

[Horza]

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Compared to Nirgon, we're all just casuals.

[Polycaster]

RnF would be a much kinder and gentler place if people had just put more points into cha on their character.

Seriously though, when cha effected lull it could be a solid choice. I had a HE paladin that I maxed cha on and it was great. No one really notices if you have an extra 50hp or hit for 0.005% more dmg but they notice if you get a 3 pull rather than a single pull.

[TomisFeline]

I give this R and F an 8 out of Rant and a 7 out of Flame.

Not bad OP, could be better, but not bad.

[cornisthebest]

imagine making your int caster a non human and also not putting points into strength.... smh my head to be honest

[Cecily]

Cha most important stat IRL and there's no good reason why it shouldn't be the same in EQ.

[solleks]

Is CHA the opposite of autism? Asking for a friend

[Tenderizer]

The forum crew is mostly frustrated casuals or career terribads.


curious, which do you fall under?

[Gatorsmash]

25 cha is great for any cleric who doesn't plan to be in a CH chain all of their play time(and even then, divine intervention is a raid thing). sorry you fail so badly at 21 year old elf sims.

human inny 25cha 5wis any other choice you are a fucking idiot

just a brain dead piece of dog shit

a detestable fellow

Thanks OP you belong here

why is cha bad you didn't tell us latexlicker

RnF would be a much kinder and gentler place if people had just put more points into cha on their character.

Seriously though, when cha effected lull it could be a solid choice. I had a HE paladin that I maxed cha on and it was great. No one really notices if you have an extra 50hp or hit for 0.005% more dmg but they notice if you get a 3 pull rather than a single pull.

Its 23% of your possible maximun starting mana pool for a cleric (25 points) ..............for an unknown percentage bonus of problably 2-5% toward your one spell line for a function you will be doing the least amount of time playing your healing class, pulling.

One is easily gained through items rotting on the fucking ground at lvl 1 (Charisma,and I can think of 2 that get you to +20 off the top of my head ) and the other (Wisdom) doesnt have an item in game to replace that lost 25 points of Wisdom till the end raiding zones of Velious- you fucking retards.

[Smellybuttface]

Its 23% of your possible maximun starting mana pool for a cleric (25 points) ..............for an unknown percentage bonus of problably 2-5% toward your one spell line for a function you will be doing the least amount of time playing your healing class, pulling.

One is easily gained through items rotting on the fucking ground at lvl 1 (Charisma,and I can think of 2 that get you to +20 off the top of my head ) and the other (Wisdom) doesnt have an item in game to replace that lost 25 points of Wisdom till the end raiding zones of Velious- you fucking retards.

I'm inclined to agree, though there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding the effect of CHA on Lull/Pacify line.

One old thread I found the following info:

"Charisma effects:

1. Lull resists (determines whether you aggro the mob or not)

Is the effect resisted?
If the effect is resisted, will the NPC get angry and tell its friends that it's time for a BardSnack(tm), or will it ignore what just happened?
Charisma is the sole determinant in the second check. It doesn't affect (resists)."

This implies that your level will matter more on whether a Lull is initially resisted, and a Charisma check is applied to see whether that will become a critical resist (mob aggroes). I've been looking through a lot of sources, but can't definitively say whether that is accurate or not. Anecdotally, I can say my Dwarf Cleric with a hellishly low CHA gets crit-resisted very often on Lull. This isn't much an issue in the higher levels with full groups - usually a Monk or Bard pulling, or having an Enchanter handy. Duo/Trio its more problematic.

As we know, Divine intervention is the vast majority of the time used on the Tank, and of course it checks THEIR charisma, not the cleric's.

[zillabunny]

A cleorc should put their starting points into wisdom wtf is this thread

[Tuljin]

I've been banging this drum for a long time and I'll keep banging it and people will continue to poo-poo it ----------- ~wisdom isn't a great stat~

It's funny I even include a caveat in a very well articulated class discussion forum post, and not only do I get "poo-pooed", this asshole brings it to RnF. He then accuses me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I plainly have a better command of the English language than 90% of the people who post here, and certainly a better command than him. You are -really- mad dude lol

I will say, and I will keep banging this fucking drum, and many excellent players will wholeheartedly agree with me and do to this day, point into wis is of little consequence to a priest in PvE and ~especially on this box when everybody ~~~rAiDs~~~ with 100 people~

Its 23% of your possible maximun starting mana pool for a cleric (25 points) ..............for an unknown percentage bonus of problably 2-5% toward your one spell line for a function you will be doing the least amount of time playing your healing class, pulling.

So just like all the other self-proclaimed MMO geniuses on P99 you perform basic arithmetic as the main basis of your argument and subsequently present it as if its theoretical mathematics. You then present this incredibly weak argument and claim that "the glove fits!"

And hold on....are we actually arguing the importance and effectiveness of ~every single cha point~ when it comes to crit resists? Didn't we already figure this out? What the fuck are you talking about man? What the fuck is going on here?

23% of your -starting- points. How about when you quickly hit 200 points from all the wis gear you have on? Then how about when you go over the softcap and the amount of points per mana plummets? Did you factor those into your theoretical equation? Did you account for the 23% of your -starting- mana that's what, 3 mana at level 1, when at this point 3 months into the server anybody rolling a cleric is going to get Moonstone Rings and some cheap JC wrists and get damn near 100 mana immediately? What the fuck are you talking about?

How about factoring this into your bullshit arithmetic that you try to pass off as "eureka!" or "a-ha!" you fucking idiot - - how about sitting to catch med ticks diligently? You realize how much catching a med tick is worth vs. just standing between casts? Do you know how many raw mana points that is over time? How about catching med ticks with clarity? How many ticks does it take to catch the amount of mana you lost from that 25 wis from your mana pool under softcap? How about over softcap? Did you factor these into your equation? Can you do this math on your cell phone? Or with an abacus? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Also, how many ~cLeRiCs~ or any players in general are disciplined to sit to catch every single med tick between casts as much as possible? ~hEaLiNg~ takes SO much effort that theres no POSSIBLE way people can be bothered to sit the fuck down immediately after their cast. No, that's waaaaay to much work.

Here's another thing to factor into your 23% arithmetic you moron - how about the fact that every single second you spend playing EQ at full mana is wasted time you could be getting more mana? And how about how many bad players at this game sit around with waaaay to much mana in their bar? You ---never--- want to be full mana unless you are getting ready for a gnarly pull or obviously just camping a couple mobs. If your bar is full, you cast SOMETHING - cast a nuke, cast another buff, SOMETHING - and then get more mana. So do you know how to calculate this into your theoretical math Mr. Tyson?

One of the dumbest things I've read on this forum in a long line of stupid shit. If you are one of these fucking idiots with links/referring your character(s) on blue or green, emu servers that spent 10 years (or launched) with some of the most game breaking, exploitable bugs in the history of EQ- exploitable bugs in game so long I left for almost 5 years after launch and they were still in ffs your account should be banned

What's also interesting to me is how of all the -actual- stupid shit written on these forums as well as all the -actual- horrible players and tryhard coattail riders on this box I am flamed on RnF for writing something that is commonly agreed upon by many EQ players in an intelligent manner on a class discussion forum. I don't "make this shit up" dude.

P99 does have a lot of bugs. One of those bugs? Way too many mana per point over softcap. Even still, stat points over softcap are wasted points. This is common knowledge. The nature of cleric gear is such that, especially if you ~~~rAiD~~~ as most clerics do, you will easily get over softcap because cleric gear has tons of wisdom. Then you know what happens? You hit hardcap and your roll points are completely wasted. This knowledge is so incredibly basic, especially those who supposedly "know EQ," as you apparently do, you fucking idiot

The min/max Charisma debate is very interesting. It's easy to get wisdom gear but Human has low starting wisdom and people are concerned about a low Mana pool. Considering how most people gear their clerics (entirely +Wis) it makes a lot of sense to dump all your points into Cha.

Here's another issue. You dump all your points into Charisma. Every single time you get a crit resist for the life of your toon you got hosed on your stat roll. Every single time.

Here's the other issue --- all these people who want Cha to "atone" and "calm" and "navigate dungeons naked for corpse runs" ---- first of all barely anybody who rolls a cleric does these things, and second of all the cleric that does all these things needs sooooome wisdom because they are wearing HP AC Resist gear and not +Wis gear.

Also, the cleric in HP AC Resist gear isn't dying as much as the +Wis cleric, therefore he won't be doing these "naked corpse runs" that are just a production of people's imagination and never actually happen.

I also addressed every single point anybody else made, including how most players don't even calm or pull on cleric, and also how if you dump all your CHA at roll you get hosed on your roll every time you crit resist. But you just cherry pick and take it to RnF like the fucking moron you are. I can't even believe you are accusing me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I even play devil's advocate. You are such an incredible fucking asshole.

A human with +5 wis could still realistically hit 200 wisdom pre- kunark, pre planes, and with no dragon loot.

if you started with +25 wis you could probably swap 2-3 wis peices with mana pieces, like platinum tiara. And at the end you'd prolly end up with around 100 more mana at 50.

Classic time period clerics will generally be more hit point focused anyway so they can abuse manastone/CH. Even without stones raiding eventually will start breaking down to mana regen methods and not raw stating wisdom. (mod rod, twitching, meditation + clarity + flowing etc.) Humans in particular will eventually be able to use call of bone from a clicky, too, in manastone restricted places for a couple months.

human inny 25cha 5wis any other choice you are a fucking idiot

just a brain dead piece of dog shit

a detestable fellow

25 cha is great for any cleric who doesn't plan to be in a CH chain all of their play time(and even then, divine intervention is a raid thing). sorry you fail so badly at 21 year old elf sims.

It's really funny because on this box when you're one of 10 plus clerics on a ~rAiD~ you actually don't need a mana pool. Even MORE comical is the fact that the ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ mostly have a manastone. So what the fuck do you need a mana pool for? If you know you are getting a Manastone and going to be a ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeR~~~ why don't you go dwarf and point out STA? Why do many ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ actually min/max a Dwarf with a full STA roll? As discussed on this server for years? Again, "I don't make this shit up."

What actually happens is that most players put all their points into Wis on PvE because they don't aspire to do a god damn thing besides collect DKP and sit in a CH chain. In fact the vast majority of players on P99 have absolutely no idea what most classes can do, mostly because they've never had the fortune of playing with and learning from good players. They just level up in full groups and then get that DKP while others do the heavy lifting. When I play I actually go kill hard shit and get drops. I do it duo with Shaman and do all the calming. I'll go with an Enc buddy and he will calm and watch his pet while I pull. When I play I'm out killing shit deep in dungeons. I don't politick and I don't sit around collecting DKP.

So, how is it that I made it to max 50 without being in a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and soloing many of my levels, including the majority of my 40s? How did I do that putting points into CHA? Which by the way I did 15wis 15cha, which I mention in my post. Is soloing and pulling as a cleric not more ~hArDcOrE~ than sitting on your ass FM in a full 6 man group or sitting around in a CH chain? Is pulling nameds that hit for 160 underwater on a Cleric not ~hArDcOrE~? Is going and doing hard cash camps duo with a Shaman and doing all the calming not ~hArDcOrE~? What the fuck is going on here?

Why do people want me to play with them and enjoy playing with me when I made such a stupid choice with my roll? Am I letting everybody die? Am I not pulling and CCing and stunning and moving everything along...as a cleric? Am I a fucking asshole and not actually a nice guy and enjoyable to play with? Maybe -you- are the paint chip eating idiot dude.

Considering how most people gear their clerics (entirely +Wis) it makes a lot of sense to dump all your points into Cha.

I did 15 and 15 because I knew what I would be doing with my toon.

Is putting 25 points into Cha on an Inny human a "bad" choice? It's really fucking not. You know why? Not only because it makes a lot of sense if you pull your head out of your ass and realize that Wis is overrated and easy to get, it's also because it doesn't fucking matter. You can put all your points in STA and get max lvl. You could put it all into DEX and as long as you meet the ****sole criterion**** of playing EQ all fucking day long you can get into a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and get dragon loot. What the fuck does it matter?

The amount of fucking paint eating dipshits on this forum is staggering. Since P99's launch this forum has consistently gone down hill, I thought the first few years rivaled the retards we had on the old SK forums....(name escapes me, was folded into the shaman forums)

So let me get this straight - - - you're going to take an intelligently argued discussion from Class Discussion threads and take it directly to RnF. You're going to cherry pick it in an attempt to make me look stupid. You are -then- going to get called on your opinion that many great EQ players would disagree with, in fact making -you- look stupid. You are -then- going to perform very basic arithmetic, form a very weak argument, and then "day bow bow" starts playing in your stupid fucking idiot head. You are -then- going to link to your RnF post in the class discussion thread. THEN you're gonna come around acting like rolling +Wis on a class/race combo people roll *specifically* to min/max a charming, pulling cleric is some of no-brainer "nugget of gold" and you're some kind of fucking genius and smarter than everybody else? And then you're gonna flame me on RnF about it? And be ~~~~reeeeeeally~~~~ fucking "mad" about it? This is in fact what you did, yes?

And I'm assuming you expect me to sit here and fucking "take it?"

You are a fucking neanderthal. Go fuck right off you asshole

[magnetaress]

I like mspaint.

[magnetaress]

Also cha is basically the only Stat that matters.

[Waedawen]

clerics have multiple items they can get that are basically class exclusive that add +7, 8, 9, whatever wisdom per slot. using your base points on wisdom is retarded.

also, when you're doing 2-3 man groups (like the actual good players do instead of sitting around in a 100 person raid like a fucking drooling retard) very often you gotta use every tool in the box.

[Waedawen]

Also cha is basically the only Stat that matters.

i didn't even see this reply, but yes. charisma, hp, and armor are the only fucking stats that matter.

[Polycaster]

Its 23% of your possible maximun starting mana pool for a cleric (25 points) ..............for an unknown percentage bonus of problably 2-5% toward your one spell line for a function you will be doing the least amount of time playing your healing class, pulling.

One is easily gained through items rotting on the fucking ground at lvl 1 (Charisma,and I can think of 2 that get you to +20 off the top of my head ) and the other (Wisdom) doesnt have an item in game to replace that lost 25 points of Wisdom till the end raiding zones of Velious- you fucking retards.


My gimp druid alt has 200 wis with several slots empty. Get gud at ECquest. Naked cha is an important stat when lulling down to your corpse and those of your group. The True Powergamer puts all points into cha, for every class. To do otherwise is sub-optimal and try-hard.

[Bhairava]

It's funny I even include a caveat in a very well articulated class discussion forum post, and not only do I get "poo-pooed", this asshole brings it to RnF. He then accuses me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I plainly have a better command of the English language than 90% of the people who post here, and certainly a better command than him. You are -really- mad dude lol

I will say, and I will keep banging this fucking drum, and many excellent players will wholeheartedly agree with me and do to this day, point into wis is of little consequence to a priest in PvE and ~especially on this box when everybody ~~~rAiDs~~~ with 100 people~



So just like all the other self-proclaimed MMO geniuses on P99 you perform basic arithmetic as the main basis of your argument and subsequently present it as if its theoretical mathematics. You then present this incredibly weak argument and claim that "the glove fits!"

And hold on....are we actually arguing the importance and effectiveness of ~every single cha point~ when it comes to crit resists? Didn't we already figure this out? What the fuck are you talking about man? What the fuck is going on here?

23% of your -starting- points. How about when you quickly hit 200 points from all the wis gear you have on? Then how about when you go over the softcap and the amount of points per mana plummets? Did you factor those into your theoretical equation? Did you account for the 23% of your -starting- mana that's what, 3 mana at level 1, when at this point 3 months into the server anybody rolling a cleric is going to get Moonstone Rings and some cheap JC wrists and get damn near 100 mana immediately? What the fuck are you talking about?

How about factoring this into your bullshit arithmetic that you try to pass off as "eureka!" or "a-ha!" you fucking idiot - - how about sitting to catch med ticks diligently? You realize how much catching a med tick is worth vs. just standing between casts? Do you know how many raw mana points that is over time? How about catching med ticks with clarity? How many ticks does it take to catch the amount of mana you lost from that 25 wis from your mana pool under softcap? How about over softcap? Did you factor these into your equation? Can you do this math on your cell phone? Or with an abacus? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Also, how many ~cLeRiCs~ or any players in general are disciplined to sit to catch every single med tick between casts as much as possible? ~hEaLiNg~ takes SO much effort that theres no POSSIBLE way people can be bothered to sit the fuck down immediately after their cast. No, that's waaaaay to much work.

Here's another thing to factor into your 23% arithmetic you moron - how about the fact that every single second you spend playing EQ at full mana is wasted time you could be getting more mana? And how about how many bad players at this game sit around with waaaay to much mana in their bar? You ---never--- want to be full mana unless you are getting ready for a gnarly pull or obviously just camping a couple mobs. If your bar is full, you cast SOMETHING - cast a nuke, cast another buff, SOMETHING - and then get more mana. So do you know how to calculate this into your theoretical math Mr. Tyson?



What's also interesting to me is how of all the -actual- stupid shit written on these forums as well as all the -actual- horrible players and tryhard coattail riders on this box I am flamed on RnF for writing something that is commonly agreed upon by many EQ players in an intelligent manner on a class discussion forum. I don't "make this shit up" dude.

P99 does have a lot of bugs. One of those bugs? Way too many mana per point over softcap. Even still, stat points over softcap are wasted points. This is common knowledge. The nature of cleric gear is such that, especially if you ~~~rAiD~~~ as most clerics do, you will easily get over softcap because cleric gear has tons of wisdom. Then you know what happens? You hit hardcap and your roll points are completely wasted. This knowledge is so incredibly basic, especially those who supposedly "know EQ," as you apparently do, you fucking idiot



I also addressed every single point anybody else made, including how most players don't even calm or pull on cleric, and also how if you dump all your CHA at roll you get hosed on your roll every time you crit resist. But you just cherry pick and take it to RnF like the fucking moron you are. I can't even believe you are accusing me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I even play devil's advocate. You are such an incredible fucking asshole.







It's really funny because on this box when you're one of 10 plus clerics on a ~rAiD~ you actually don't need a mana pool. Even MORE comical is the fact that the ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ mostly have a manastone. So what the fuck do you need a mana pool for? If you know you are getting a Manastone and going to be a ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeR~~~ why don't you go dwarf and point out STA? Why do many ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ actually min/max a Dwarf with a full STA roll? As discussed on this server for years? Again, "I don't make this shit up."

What actually happens is that most players put all their points into Wis on PvE because they don't aspire to do a god damn thing besides collect DKP and sit in a CH chain. In fact the vast majority of players on P99 have absolutely no idea what most classes can do, mostly because they've never had the fortune of playing with and learning from good players. They just level up in full groups and then get that DKP while others do the heavy lifting. When I play I actually go kill hard shit and get drops. I do it duo with Shaman and do all the calming. I'll go with an Enc buddy and he will calm and watch his pet while I pull. When I play I'm out killing shit deep in dungeons. I don't politick and I don't sit around collecting DKP.

So, how is it that I made it to max 50 without being in a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and soloing many of my levels, including the majority of my 40s? How did I do that putting points into CHA? Which by the way I did 15wis 15cha, which I mention in my post. Is soloing and pulling as a cleric not more ~hArDcOrE~ than sitting on your ass FM in a full 6 man group or sitting around in a CH chain? Is pulling nameds that hit for 160 underwater on a Cleric not ~hArDcOrE~? Is going and doing hard cash camps duo with a Shaman and doing all the calming not ~hArDcOrE~? What the fuck is going on here?

Why do people want me to play with them and enjoy playing with me when I made such a stupid choice with my roll? Am I letting everybody die? Am I not pulling and CCing and stunning and moving everything along...as a cleric? Am I a fucking asshole and not actually a nice guy and enjoyable to play with? Maybe -you- are the paint chip eating idiot dude.



Is putting 25 points into Cha on an Inny human a "bad" choice? It's really fucking not. You know why? Not only because it makes a lot of sense if you pull your head out of your ass and realize that Wis is overrated and easy to get, it's also because it doesn't fucking matter. You can put all your points in STA and get max lvl. You could put it all into DEX and as long as you meet the ****sole criterion**** of playing EQ all fucking day long you can get into a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and get dragon loot. What the fuck does it matter?



So let me get this straight - - - you're going to take an intelligently argued discussion from Class Discussion threads and take it directly to RnF. You're going to cherry pick it in an attempt to make me look stupid. You are -then- going to get called on your opinion that many great EQ players would disagree with, in fact making -you- look stupid. You are -then- going to perform very basic arithmetic, form a very weak argument, and then "day bow bow" starts playing in your stupid fucking idiot head. You are -then- going to link to your RnF post in the class discussion thread. THEN you're gonna come around acting like rolling +Wis on a class/race combo people roll *specifically* to min/max a charming, pulling cleric is some of no-brainer "nugget of gold" and you're some kind of fucking genius and smarter than everybody else? And then you're gonna flame me on RnF about it? And be ~~~~reeeeeeally~~~~ fucking "mad" about it? This is in fact what you did, yes?

And I'm assuming you expect me to sit here and fucking "take it?"

You are a fucking neanderthal. Go fuck right off you asshole

[Bhairava]

So let me get this straight - - - you're going to take an intelligently argued discussion from Class Discussion threads and take it directly to RnF. You're going to cherry pick it in an attempt to make me look stupid. You are -then- going to get called on your opinion that many great EQ players would disagree with

lol

[kjs86z]

@ OP:

https://i.imgur.com/rLGQ1Xd.jpg

[Horza]

Remember kids, political memes are only allowed here if they're pro-Trump.

[Smellybuttface]

Remember kids, political memes are only allowed here if they're pro-Trump.

[Smellybuttface]

From sources close to Ivanka, that's evidently Trump's o-face. So I'd say it's pro-Trump.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/hASGQQC.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

No one would love Trump if he put 25 points into wisdom.

[Waedawen]

the "virgin vs chad" comics always fucking get me dude

[Nirgon]

curious, which do you fall under?

Classic enthusiast, content king

Willing to be your pal and show you the light

[Kohedron]

Wow OP is both incorrect and upset, sounds like a typical P99 forum goer

[NachtMystium]

It's funny I even include a caveat in a very well articulated class discussion forum post, and not only do I get "poo-pooed", this asshole brings it to RnF. He then accuses me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I plainly have a better command of the English language than 90% of the people who post here, and certainly a better command than him. You are -really- mad dude lol

I will say, and I will keep banging this fucking drum, and many excellent players will wholeheartedly agree with me and do to this day, point into wis is of little consequence to a priest in PvE and ~especially on this box when everybody ~~~rAiDs~~~ with 100 people~



So just like all the other self-proclaimed MMO geniuses on P99 you perform basic arithmetic as the main basis of your argument and subsequently present it as if its theoretical mathematics. You then present this incredibly weak argument and claim that "the glove fits!"

And hold on....are we actually arguing the importance and effectiveness of ~every single cha point~ when it comes to crit resists? Didn't we already figure this out? What the fuck are you talking about man? What the fuck is going on here?

23% of your -starting- points. How about when you quickly hit 200 points from all the wis gear you have on? Then how about when you go over the softcap and the amount of points per mana plummets? Did you factor those into your theoretical equation? Did you account for the 23% of your -starting- mana that's what, 3 mana at level 1, when at this point 3 months into the server anybody rolling a cleric is going to get Moonstone Rings and some cheap JC wrists and get damn near 100 mana immediately? What the fuck are you talking about?

How about factoring this into your bullshit arithmetic that you try to pass off as "eureka!" or "a-ha!" you fucking idiot - - how about sitting to catch med ticks diligently? You realize how much catching a med tick is worth vs. just standing between casts? Do you know how many raw mana points that is over time? How about catching med ticks with clarity? How many ticks does it take to catch the amount of mana you lost from that 25 wis from your mana pool under softcap? How about over softcap? Did you factor these into your equation? Can you do this math on your cell phone? Or with an abacus? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Also, how many ~cLeRiCs~ or any players in general are disciplined to sit to catch every single med tick between casts as much as possible? ~hEaLiNg~ takes SO much effort that theres no POSSIBLE way people can be bothered to sit the fuck down immediately after their cast. No, that's waaaaay to much work.

Here's another thing to factor into your 23% arithmetic you moron - how about the fact that every single second you spend playing EQ at full mana is wasted time you could be getting more mana? And how about how many bad players at this game sit around with waaaay to much mana in their bar? You ---never--- want to be full mana unless you are getting ready for a gnarly pull or obviously just camping a couple mobs. If your bar is full, you cast SOMETHING - cast a nuke, cast another buff, SOMETHING - and then get more mana. So do you know how to calculate this into your theoretical math Mr. Tyson?



What's also interesting to me is how of all the -actual- stupid shit written on these forums as well as all the -actual- horrible players and tryhard coattail riders on this box I am flamed on RnF for writing something that is commonly agreed upon by many EQ players in an intelligent manner on a class discussion forum. I don't "make this shit up" dude.

P99 does have a lot of bugs. One of those bugs? Way too many mana per point over softcap. Even still, stat points over softcap are wasted points. This is common knowledge. The nature of cleric gear is such that, especially if you ~~~rAiD~~~ as most clerics do, you will easily get over softcap because cleric gear has tons of wisdom. Then you know what happens? You hit hardcap and your roll points are completely wasted. This knowledge is so incredibly basic, especially those who supposedly "know EQ," as you apparently do, you fucking idiot



I also addressed every single point anybody else made, including how most players don't even calm or pull on cleric, and also how if you dump all your CHA at roll you get hosed on your roll every time you crit resist. But you just cherry pick and take it to RnF like the fucking moron you are. I can't even believe you are accusing me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I even play devil's advocate. You are such an incredible fucking asshole.







It's really funny because on this box when you're one of 10 plus clerics on a ~rAiD~ you actually don't need a mana pool. Even MORE comical is the fact that the ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ mostly have a manastone. So what the fuck do you need a mana pool for? If you know you are getting a Manastone and going to be a ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeR~~~ why don't you go dwarf and point out STA? Why do many ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ actually min/max a Dwarf with a full STA roll? As discussed on this server for years? Again, "I don't make this shit up."

What actually happens is that most players put all their points into Wis on PvE because they don't aspire to do a god damn thing besides collect DKP and sit in a CH chain. In fact the vast majority of players on P99 have absolutely no idea what most classes can do, mostly because they've never had the fortune of playing with and learning from good players. They just level up in full groups and then get that DKP while others do the heavy lifting. When I play I actually go kill hard shit and get drops. I do it duo with Shaman and do all the calming. I'll go with an Enc buddy and he will calm and watch his pet while I pull. When I play I'm out killing shit deep in dungeons. I don't politick and I don't sit around collecting DKP.

So, how is it that I made it to max 50 without being in a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and soloing many of my levels, including the majority of my 40s? How did I do that putting points into CHA? Which by the way I did 15wis 15cha, which I mention in my post. Is soloing and pulling as a cleric not more ~hArDcOrE~ than sitting on your ass FM in a full 6 man group or sitting around in a CH chain? Is pulling nameds that hit for 160 underwater on a Cleric not ~hArDcOrE~? Is going and doing hard cash camps duo with a Shaman and doing all the calming not ~hArDcOrE~? What the fuck is going on here?

Why do people want me to play with them and enjoy playing with me when I made such a stupid choice with my roll? Am I letting everybody die? Am I not pulling and CCing and stunning and moving everything along...as a cleric? Am I a fucking asshole and not actually a nice guy and enjoyable to play with? Maybe -you- are the paint chip eating idiot dude.



Is putting 25 points into Cha on an Inny human a "bad" choice? It's really fucking not. You know why? Not only because it makes a lot of sense if you pull your head out of your ass and realize that Wis is overrated and easy to get, it's also because it doesn't fucking matter. You can put all your points in STA and get max lvl. You could put it all into DEX and as long as you meet the ****sole criterion**** of playing EQ all fucking day long you can get into a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and get dragon loot. What the fuck does it matter?



So let me get this straight - - - you're going to take an intelligently argued discussion from Class Discussion threads and take it directly to RnF. You're going to cherry pick it in an attempt to make me look stupid. You are -then- going to get called on your opinion that many great EQ players would disagree with, in fact making -you- look stupid. You are -then- going to perform very basic arithmetic, form a very weak argument, and then "day bow bow" starts playing in your stupid fucking idiot head. You are -then- going to link to your RnF post in the class discussion thread. THEN you're gonna come around acting like rolling +Wis on a class/race combo people roll *specifically* to min/max a charming, pulling cleric is some of no-brainer "nugget of gold" and you're some kind of fucking genius and smarter than everybody else? And then you're gonna flame me on RnF about it? And be ~~~~reeeeeeally~~~~ fucking "mad" about it? This is in fact what you did, yes?

And I'm assuming you expect me to sit here and fucking "take it?"

You are a fucking neanderthal. Go fuck right off you asshole

Now THIS is Autism! And that's a good thing!

[kelsoider]

Omg this thread ����

[Cecily]

I tried hard to be a good source of rogue information, over and over and over again.

[Cecily]

@ OP:

https://i.imgur.com/rLGQ1Xd.jpg


Lol

[Danth]

I tried hard to be a good source of rogue information, over and over and over again.

Like any sort of education it's a never-ending job. Soon as you've taught one group of players, a new group of newbies arrives to take their place.

[Polycaster]

I tried hard to be a good source of rogue information, over and over and over again.

click 'assist the assist' macro
click backstab as it comes up
click 'evade' macro as it comes up
click pickpocket
click on corpse instant its dead to get the few coins left after pickpocket


rogue master class completed

[Gatorsmash]

It's ...[whole lot of retard screaming like a guy at a bus stop] so edited out

That must have taken a long time typing with one hand while the other feeds your fat face Nacho Kitchen Red latex paint chips.

I hope you didnt think I would read it? But I did catch this part because it was on the top of my screen as I typed this- "on a class/race combo people roll *specifically* to min/max a charming, pulling cleric

Hate to break it to you chips, but people roll that combo for the clickies and faction. Your the first and only retard I've even heard use the phrase "a pulling cleric" who is charming? Like polite ? Ya not sure wtf that part is. RP'ing?

[Tuljin]

That must have taken a long time typing with one hand while the other feeds your fat face Nacho Kitchen Red latex paint chips.

I hope you didnt think I would read it? But I did catch this part because it was on the top of my screen as I typed this- "on a class/race combo people roll *specifically* to min/max a charming, pulling cleric

Hate to break it to you chips, but people roll that combo for the clickies and faction. Your the first and only retard I've even heard use the phrase "a pulling cleric" who is charming? Like polite ? Ya not sure wtf that part is. RP'ing?

No retard screaming dude, actually intelligent

I knew you'd read it, I hoped you read it. You deserve to get flamed because you are a total fucking asshole. Not gonna let this shit slide man, sorry.

Can't edit RnF - meant "calming".

And what's a amazing to me is that in your infinite EQ knowledge and experience you still can't get it through your thick fucking idiot skull that there are clerics who do other things besides sit on their ass and get carried. And also that you never seem to have seen anybody really play a cleric. I just can't fucking believe it dude.

You really are an idiot and an asshole dude. Just wow.

[Tuljin]

Wow OP is both incorrect and upset, sounds like a typical P99 forum goer

[Gatorsmash]

No retard screaming dude, actually intelligent

I knew you'd read it, I hoped you read it. You deserve to get flamed because you are a total fucking asshole. Not gonna let this shit slide man, sorry.

Can't edit RnF - meant "calming".

And what's a amazing to me is that in your infinite EQ knowledge and experience you still can't get it through your thick fucking idiot skull that there are clerics who do other things besides sit on their ass and get carried. And also that you never seem to have seen anybody really play a cleric. I just can't fucking believe it dude.

You really are an idiot and an asshole dude. Just wow.

Cant talk now, playing +25 charisma healing troll shadowknight

[Gatorsmash]

No retard screaming dude, actually intelligent

I knew you'd read it, I hoped you read it. You deserve to get flamed because you are a total fucking asshole. Not gonna let this shit slide man, sorry.

Can't edit RnF - meant "calming".

And what's a amazing to me is that in your infinite EQ knowledge and experience you still can't get it through your thick fucking idiot skull that there are clerics who do other things besides sit on their ass and get carried. And also that you never seem to have seen anybody really play a cleric. I just can't fucking believe it dude.

You really are an idiot and an asshole dude. Just wow.

And no I was telling the truth, I did not read your wall of text. I'm only in here to poop in two realms at the same time. Like a fucking wizard

[Argh]

Its 23% of your possible maximun starting mana pool for a cleric (25 points) ..............for an unknown percentage bonus of problably 2-5% toward your one spell line for a function you will be doing the least amount of time playing your healing class, pulling.

One is easily gained through items rotting on the fucking ground at lvl 1 (Charisma,and I can think of 2 that get you to +20 off the top of my head ) and the other (Wisdom) doesnt have an item in game to replace that lost 25 points of Wisdom till the end raiding zones of Velious- you fucking retards.

So your argument for going +25 wisdom is that you get 6 extra mana at level 1?

SMART

[Tuljin]

Cant talk now, playing +25 charisma healing troll shadowknight

And no I was telling the truth, I did not read your wall of text. I'm only in here to poop in two realms at the same time. Like a fucking wizard

So this is when you take your ball and go home? Good

[Cecily]

click 'assist the assist' macro
click backstab as it comes up
click 'evade' macro as it comes up
click pickpocket
click on corpse instant its dead to get the few coins left after pickpocket


rogue master class completed


You would think, huh? I guess you missed my seminar on getting your epic guildless. Or maxing poison with all vendors, that's actually on the wiki now I think. Or stat targets for gearing. Or setting up a two person corpse drag macro. How to compare offhands. Why push matters (does that still break spells?) Why dark elf rogue is best choice.



There's a lot of eclectic shit I learned during my safehouse years which isn't immediately apparent to someone picking up the best class in the game.

[Zal22]

Why dark elf rogue is best choice.

That PD robe. ;)

[Smellybuttface]

You would think, huh? I guess you missed my seminar on getting your epic guildless. Or maxing poison with all vendors, that's actually on the wiki now I think. Or stat targets for gearing. Or setting up a two person corpse drag macro. How to compare offhands. Why push matters (does that still break spells?) Why dark elf rogue is best choice.



There's a lot of eclectic shit I learned during my safehouse years which isn't immediately apparent to someone picking up the best class in the game.

[Gatorsmash]

So your argument for going +25 wisdom is that you get 6 extra mana at level 1?

SMART

I like how you actually typed that out then capitalized the word smart smart.

So this is when you take your ball and go home? Good

Jesus I could hear the QQ through the interwebs
Palin pic

I laughed more than I should have for probably the wrong reasons at that. Guess were in the timeline where people are clip n pasting from a 20 year old site and slapping their name on it, greeaat.

[Smellybuttface]

You would think, huh? I guess you missed my seminar on getting your epic guildless. Or maxing poison with all vendors, that's actually on the wiki now I think. Or stat targets for gearing. Or setting up a two person corpse drag macro. How to compare offhands. Why push matters (does that still break spells?) Why dark elf rogue is best choice.



There's a lot of eclectic shit I learned during my safehouse years which isn't immediately apparent to someone picking up the best class in the game.

I'm actually very curious on a few things:

-Why would dark elves make the best Rogue? They have the lowest starting strength, lowest stamina, lowest dexterity. They have evil faction so aren't welcome in most cities, and other races can simply get the Guise to have the dark elf look and ultravision.

-Even the P99 Wiki states that poisons are generally poor.
"Unfortunately, they aren't used much. Some of them are situational such as muscle lock IV procs, which are good for soloing if you're a rogue with high enough intimidate but the slows/snares/debuffs are weak in group/raid content and offer not a whole lot of benefit. " I remember playing on live, and it wasn't until Shissar poisons came out that I ever saw Rogues even starting to use them.

Lastly, were you saying they are the best class in the game? That's entirely subjective I guess, to a point. Curious why you think so.

Pro's:
Sneak/hide is useful, as is snagging corpses, lockpicking (at least for a few doors - couple in Old Seb, Chardok, and maybe 1 in City of Mist). Exp bonus is nice. Consistent DPS. Easy epic quest. Low pop numbers means they have a good chance at planar drops.

Con's:
Very group dependent (not necessarily a con), Evade can be unreliable (not nearly as good as Feign Death or Jolt for dropping aggro), extremely gear dependent (Classic offers little in the way of good piercers), generally won't top DPS parses until they get their epic, low level of utility outside pure DPS

Anyway. Certainly don't have anything against Rogue's, you just mentioned some things I haven't ever heard before.

[Cecily]

Everyone is the same-ish stats in the end. Some of them can wear BIS pretty blue dresses. Dark elves can and they also confuse the shit out of people because the mask existing trips a bug in most people's code. This is kinda funny.

[Cecily]

Being KoS to most towns turns a mundane trip to the bank into dangerous content that you can circumvent with the rogue toolset. Rogues can bank anywhere. It's more interesting as a Dark Elf.

Poison can be a game changer for soloing. The root poison has a 30 sec 50% slow, which can make an otherwise impossible solo possible. There's not too many useful poisons, but snare and root/slow are amazing.

[roboshaman]

+25cha for humans, some combination of str, cha and agi for erudite clerics...its a no brainer for me who would rather be a soloing cleric

[Bardp1999]

SPOILER: Really nothing besides level matters on P99, gear is largely meaningless

[kjs86z]

@OP

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350513

[gundumbwing]

Being KoS to most towns turns a mundane trip to the bank into dangerous content that you can circumvent with the rogue toolset. Rogues can bank anywhere. It's more interesting as a Dark Elf.

Poison can be a game changer for soloing. The root poison has a 30 sec 50% slow, which can make an otherwise impossible solo possible. There's not too many useful poisons, but snare and root/slow are amazing.

So your entire post about rogues was actually just a series of your preferred opinions?

Those tranny drugs must be frying your brain. Go back to not posting because you don't play.

[Hyppon]

Who cares?

[Cecily]

So your entire post about rogues was actually just a series of your preferred opinions?

Those tranny drugs must be frying your brain. Go back to not posting because you don't play.


Sorry you're not good at rogues.

[TomisFeline]

It's funny I even include a caveat in a very well articulated class discussion forum post, and not only do I get "poo-pooed", this asshole brings it to RnF. He then accuses me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I plainly have a better command of the English language than 90% of the people who post here, and certainly a better command than him. You are -really- mad dude lol

I will say, and I will keep banging this fucking drum, and many excellent players will wholeheartedly agree with me and do to this day, point into wis is of little consequence to a priest in PvE and ~especially on this box when everybody ~~~rAiDs~~~ with 100 people~



So just like all the other self-proclaimed MMO geniuses on P99 you perform basic arithmetic as the main basis of your argument and subsequently present it as if its theoretical mathematics. You then present this incredibly weak argument and claim that "the glove fits!"

And hold on....are we actually arguing the importance and effectiveness of ~every single cha point~ when it comes to crit resists? Didn't we already figure this out? What the fuck are you talking about man? What the fuck is going on here?

23% of your -starting- points. How about when you quickly hit 200 points from all the wis gear you have on? Then how about when you go over the softcap and the amount of points per mana plummets? Did you factor those into your theoretical equation? Did you account for the 23% of your -starting- mana that's what, 3 mana at level 1, when at this point 3 months into the server anybody rolling a cleric is going to get Moonstone Rings and some cheap JC wrists and get damn near 100 mana immediately? What the fuck are you talking about?

How about factoring this into your bullshit arithmetic that you try to pass off as "eureka!" or "a-ha!" you fucking idiot - - how about sitting to catch med ticks diligently? You realize how much catching a med tick is worth vs. just standing between casts? Do you know how many raw mana points that is over time? How about catching med ticks with clarity? How many ticks does it take to catch the amount of mana you lost from that 25 wis from your mana pool under softcap? How about over softcap? Did you factor these into your equation? Can you do this math on your cell phone? Or with an abacus? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Also, how many ~cLeRiCs~ or any players in general are disciplined to sit to catch every single med tick between casts as much as possible? ~hEaLiNg~ takes SO much effort that theres no POSSIBLE way people can be bothered to sit the fuck down immediately after their cast. No, that's waaaaay to much work.

Here's another thing to factor into your 23% arithmetic you moron - how about the fact that every single second you spend playing EQ at full mana is wasted time you could be getting more mana? And how about how many bad players at this game sit around with waaaay to much mana in their bar? You ---never--- want to be full mana unless you are getting ready for a gnarly pull or obviously just camping a couple mobs. If your bar is full, you cast SOMETHING - cast a nuke, cast another buff, SOMETHING - and then get more mana. So do you know how to calculate this into your theoretical math Mr. Tyson?



What's also interesting to me is how of all the -actual- stupid shit written on these forums as well as all the -actual- horrible players and tryhard coattail riders on this box I am flamed on RnF for writing something that is commonly agreed upon by many EQ players in an intelligent manner on a class discussion forum. I don't "make this shit up" dude.

P99 does have a lot of bugs. One of those bugs? Way too many mana per point over softcap. Even still, stat points over softcap are wasted points. This is common knowledge. The nature of cleric gear is such that, especially if you ~~~rAiD~~~ as most clerics do, you will easily get over softcap because cleric gear has tons of wisdom. Then you know what happens? You hit hardcap and your roll points are completely wasted. This knowledge is so incredibly basic, especially those who supposedly "know EQ," as you apparently do, you fucking idiot



I also addressed every single point anybody else made, including how most players don't even calm or pull on cleric, and also how if you dump all your CHA at roll you get hosed on your roll every time you crit resist. But you just cherry pick and take it to RnF like the fucking moron you are. I can't even believe you are accusing me of "chomping away on giant bowl of nacho flavored latex paint" when I even play devil's advocate. You are such an incredible fucking asshole.







It's really funny because on this box when you're one of 10 plus clerics on a ~rAiD~ you actually don't need a mana pool. Even MORE comical is the fact that the ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ mostly have a manastone. So what the fuck do you need a mana pool for? If you know you are getting a Manastone and going to be a ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeR~~~ why don't you go dwarf and point out STA? Why do many ~~~hArDcOrE rAiDeRs~~~ actually min/max a Dwarf with a full STA roll? As discussed on this server for years? Again, "I don't make this shit up."

What actually happens is that most players put all their points into Wis on PvE because they don't aspire to do a god damn thing besides collect DKP and sit in a CH chain. In fact the vast majority of players on P99 have absolutely no idea what most classes can do, mostly because they've never had the fortune of playing with and learning from good players. They just level up in full groups and then get that DKP while others do the heavy lifting. When I play I actually go kill hard shit and get drops. I do it duo with Shaman and do all the calming. I'll go with an Enc buddy and he will calm and watch his pet while I pull. When I play I'm out killing shit deep in dungeons. I don't politick and I don't sit around collecting DKP.

So, how is it that I made it to max 50 without being in a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and soloing many of my levels, including the majority of my 40s? How did I do that putting points into CHA? Which by the way I did 15wis 15cha, which I mention in my post. Is soloing and pulling as a cleric not more ~hArDcOrE~ than sitting on your ass FM in a full 6 man group or sitting around in a CH chain? Is pulling nameds that hit for 160 underwater on a Cleric not ~hArDcOrE~? Is going and doing hard cash camps duo with a Shaman and doing all the calming not ~hArDcOrE~? What the fuck is going on here?

Why do people want me to play with them and enjoy playing with me when I made such a stupid choice with my roll? Am I letting everybody die? Am I not pulling and CCing and stunning and moving everything along...as a cleric? Am I a fucking asshole and not actually a nice guy and enjoyable to play with? Maybe -you- are the paint chip eating idiot dude.



Is putting 25 points into Cha on an Inny human a "bad" choice? It's really fucking not. You know why? Not only because it makes a lot of sense if you pull your head out of your ass and realize that Wis is overrated and easy to get, it's also because it doesn't fucking matter. You can put all your points in STA and get max lvl. You could put it all into DEX and as long as you meet the ****sole criterion**** of playing EQ all fucking day long you can get into a ~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~ and get dragon loot. What the fuck does it matter?



So let me get this straight - - - you're going to take an intelligently argued discussion from Class Discussion threads and take it directly to RnF. You're going to cherry pick it in an attempt to make me look stupid. You are -then- going to get called on your opinion that many great EQ players would disagree with, in fact making -you- look stupid. You are -then- going to perform very basic arithmetic, form a very weak argument, and then "day bow bow" starts playing in your stupid fucking idiot head. You are -then- going to link to your RnF post in the class discussion thread. THEN you're gonna come around acting like rolling +Wis on a class/race combo people roll *specifically* to min/max a charming, pulling cleric is some of no-brainer "nugget of gold" and you're some kind of fucking genius and smarter than everybody else? And then you're gonna flame me on RnF about it? And be ~~~~reeeeeeally~~~~ fucking "mad" about it? This is in fact what you did, yes?

And I'm assuming you expect me to sit here and fucking "take it?"

You are a fucking neanderthal. Go fuck right off you asshole

very, very, nice
this guy rnfs
and as a bonus (amidst the rant) makes some good points

I don't know about you guys but I think old school rnf council would have considered this an open and shut case after this level of rnf showmanship

[Gatorsmash]

@OP

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350513

So he proves my point even more by showing what most already know- CHA ONLY EFFECTS THE CRITICAL FAIL CHECK OF THE LULL, NOT IF THE LULL LANDS BECAUSE THATS A COMBINATION OF THINGS......while he puts CHA gear on for that one time he pulled because WIS gear is the cheapest and easiest to get out there. I'm deleting some WIS gear as we speak

You got me. Like talking to homeless people at a bus stop