Green Timeline is Now on the Wiki

[loramin]

I woke up to a pleasant surprise this morning: Lord Rogean was kind enough to provide us with an official timeline for Green (https://i.imgur.com/mIeKM2G.png), which I have transcribed into the wiki!

Of course, it's just their plans (which could always change in the future), but barring any such changes this is the official Green timeline:

http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline

THANK YOU ROGEAN FOR PROVIDING THIS!

(And ... you know ... for the servers :))

https://i.imgur.com/Rx2wy0C.gif

I didn't have time to fill in the notes column, so please feel free to improve the page by filling it in (you can find note-worthy events, like the release of new zones, on the Patch Notes (http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes) page)

Also, now that we have this, I'll try find time to make a new template for specifying the 33 "eras" that it outlines (minor eras? patches? releases? I'm still not sure on the best nomenclature). However, I'm not sure when I'll have time, as I'm a little behind on some real life work ATM (and if anyone wants to try making it themselves I'll be happy to answer any questions about wiki templates over PM).

[Scoojitsu]

Very nice!

[Tecmos Deception]

Very nice!

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/b3b807e1-4912-4d58-acea-72ce26a28585

[Christina.]

Dam can't believe red launched 9 years ago. Time goes fast lol.

I remember having a blast in oasis having wars with gloinz (dwrf pally) and heartbrand (dark elf mage)with my necromancer Isis, I use to kick heartbrand butt then they'd come hunt me down on orc highway 2vs 1 and I'd die or have to gate lol. Good times! Fun teens -20s pvp

[Scoojitsu]

Love that movie!

[zaneosak]

Nice - wish they'd also release some brief patch notes about some specifics of each month's changes but I understand that would be alot of work.

[Dolalin]

This is handy. Having these on the wiki pages will answer a lot of questions people always have.

[Cen]

Legacy items are scheduled removed on the very first day of May 2020 then :p

[f2pelerin1182]

Awesome, thanks!

[zaneosak]

Why did Hate open so early on Blue? Is it going to be that way on Green or will it line up with the actual release of Nov 1999?

[loramin]

Why did Hate open so early on Blue? Is it going to be that way on Green or will it line up with the actual release of Nov 1999?

Blue was "Beta": although many didn't appreciate it at the time, the whole purpose of the server was to let the devs work on the code for classic EQ, while having it "beta tested" ... and the fact that we all got to enjoy Blue for a decade was just a happy coincidence.

But Green is "live" here: it's the entire point of that ten years of Blue. As such, it's very much going to follow the actual timeline, not the development/beta timeline of Blue.

[zaneosak]

Blue was "Beta": although many didn't appreciate it at the time, the whole purpose of the server was to let the devs work on the code for classic EQ, while having it "beta tested" ... and the fact that we all got to enjoy Blue for a decade was just a happy coincidence.

But Green is "live" here: it's the entire point of that ten years of Blue. As such, it's very much going to follow the actual timeline, not the development/beta timeline of Blue.

Well that's great to hear. I suppose Plane of Hate can be added to Nov 1999 of the new grid you created, then.

The content actually trickles in at a nice rate to be honest.

[Erati]

Blue was "Beta": although many didn't appreciate it at the time, the whole purpose of the server was to let the devs work on the code for classic EQ, while having it "beta tested" ... and the fact that we all got to enjoy Blue for a decade was just a happy coincidence.

But Green is "live" here: it's the entire point of that ten years of Blue. As such, it's very much going to follow the actual timeline, not the development/beta timeline of Blue.

We will see how Beta it turns out to be ;)

Better way to look at it is one server is a TLP and the other has all expansions unlocked. Players can decide which kind of adventure they want.

[Furitor]

So wait --

It looks like the "Introducing Project 1999: Green" thread has been updated (maybe with a more accurate timeline?).

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333743

The thread above says:

* May 2020: Plane of Hate
* June 2020: Temple of Solusek Ro opens / Legacy items cease to drop

Whereas the wiki timeline seems to have them both one month earlier?

[El-Hefe]

We will see how Beta it turns out to be ;)

Better way to look at it is one server is a TLP and the other has all expansions unlocked. Players can decide which kind of adventure they want.

I think that way of looking at it ignores the ten years of up time for Blue and the problems that come with that. It also ignores that Green has (at the moment) very little raid content.

They really offer very different experiences.

[RipVanFish]

I think that way of looking at it ignores the ten years of up time for Blue and the problems that come with that. It also ignores that Green has (at the moment) very little raid content.

They really offer very different experiences.

Exactly, Blue was fucked in many, many ways. Great server, great experiences there, great staff, but Blue isn't just a regular server with all content unlocked at all. It carries the baggage of those 10 years and all the issues they contained.

[Smellybuttface]

So wait --

It looks like the "Introducing Project 1999: Green" thread has been updated (maybe with a more accurate timeline?).

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333743

The thread above says:

* May 2020: Plane of Hate
* June 2020: Temple of Solusek Ro opens / Legacy items cease to drop

Whereas the wiki timeline seems to have them both one month earlier?

Looks like the Wiki is incorrect, since it lists Fear as Jan 2020, when it in fact released in Feb 2020. I’d say the forum post appears to be accurate.

Loramin, I think the Wiki may need to be updated.

[Swish]

pras, I hope people don't start booking vacations from work in the hope that X months down the road that something they want will be released to the exact week.

Some nerds will do it.

[Bigsham]

i see red twice no green

[Furitor]

Got bored and decided to read more patch notes to relive Classic^TM and found something interesting.

If you look at the patchnotes for December 7, 1999 (http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#December_7.2C_1999_Brad.27s_post) you'll see that's when manastone is removed?

"- Removal of Manastone"

Removal of MS was not explicitly stated in with Rubicite + JBoots. These mentioned explicitly in the October 13, 1999 patch: http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#October_13.2C_1999

So is it still going to be removed with Temple of Sol Ro like Rubicite, Guise, and Jboots change?

If we're going by classic timeline, it should be removed in August and not June as stated in the "Introducing Project 1999: Green" thread. I mean given we probably just don't want too many MS around so it might make it more simple to just remove it all at once...

P.S. interestingly none of the patch notes say anything about Guise removal so I'm not sure what month that was.

[Cen]

Got bored and decided to read more patch notes to relive Classic^TM and found something interesting.

If you look at the patchnotes for December 7, 1999 (http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#December_7.2C_1999_Brad.27s_post) you'll see that's when manastone is removed?

"- Removal of Manastone"

Removal of MS was not explicitly stated in with Rubicite + JBoots. These mentioned explicitly in the October 13, 1999 patch: http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#October_13.2C_1999

So is it still going to be removed with Temple of Sol Ro like Rubicite, Guise, and Jboots change?

If we're going by classic timeline, it should be removed in August and not June as stated in the "Introducing Project 1999: Green" thread. I mean given we probably just don't want too many MS around so it might make it more simple to just remove it all at once...

P.S. interestingly none of the patch notes say anything about Guise removal so I'm not sure what month that was.

I have no proof whatsoever so who cares, but I still remember guise being changed to MoD in december of 99 since I started the game in Jan 7 2000 and everyone kept talking about how it being removed the last month but thats probably just people who dont even know what they ate that day.

[zaneosak]

Stupid question and probably will get a "duh" response but are we good to fill in the timeline that Loramin posted on the wiki with other releases in the "Notes" columns based on the classic patch notes? I mean if Fear was July 1999 which is in line with classic patch notes then Hate should be Nov 1999 (June 5th, 2020 Green Release) and The Hole should be Jun 2000 (Jan 21st, 2021) etc. etc. I just wasnt sure if they were left off because it was not confirmed by P99 staff or what the deal was.

[loramin]

Stupid question and probably will get a "duh" response but are we good to fill in the timeline that Loramin posted on the wiki with other releases in the "Notes" columns based on the classic patch notes? I mean if Fear was July 1999 which is in line with classic patch notes then Hate should be Nov 1999 (June 5th, 2020 Green Release) and The Hole should be Jun 2000 (Jan 21st, 2021) etc. etc. I just wasnt sure if they were left off because it was not confirmed by P99 staff or what the deal was.

I didn't have time to fill in the notes column, so please feel free to improve the page by filling it in (you can find note-worthy events, like the release of new zones, on the Patch Notes (http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes) page)

And just in general never wait for me ... or anyone else for that matter ... to do anything in the wiki: it's a communal resource and everyone should just do their best to improve it.

And that's even more true lately: I'm trying to finish writing a class, and until its done EverQuest and the wiki aren't something I have time for (neither is posting on the forum, but ... guilty pleasures :)).

[zaneosak]

And just in general never wait for me ... or anyone else for that matter ... to do anything in the wiki: it's a communal resource and everyone should just do their best to improve it.

And that's even more true lately: I'm trying to finish writing a class, and until its done EverQuest and the wiki aren't something I have time for (neither is posting on the forum, but ... guilty pleasures :)).

Roger that, sir.

[Cen]

And just in general never wait for me ... or anyone else for that matter ... to do anything in the wiki: it's a communal resource and everyone should just do their best to improve it.

And that's even more true lately: I'm trying to finish writing a class, and until its done EverQuest and the wiki aren't something I have time for (neither is posting on the forum, but ... guilty pleasures :)).

Now I did just make a small edit to someones Cleric guide (Kalanar cleric guide to heals) to add Bravery on the chart they had. They accidentally left it off. I didn't get to fill in all the numbers yet (since I disagree with his method of comparing to Complete Heal, since it doesn't factor in recast times)

I made only an edit I think a guide writer themself would agree with was missing 99.9%. Should we not touch a guide like that?

[loramin]

Now I did just make a small edit to someones Cleric guide (Kalanar cleric guide to heals) to add Bravery on the chart they had. They accidentally left it off. I didn't get to fill in all the numbers yet (since I disagree with his method of comparing to Complete Heal, since it doesn't factor in recast times)

I made only an edit I think a guide writer themself would agree with was missing 99.9%. Should we not touch a guide like that?

Yeah the guides are tough.

In general, the wiki is for everyone. At the same time though, when someone puts their name on a guide, they do "own" it in a sense, and it feels wrong to make them "say" something they didn't.

Like many things on the wiki (eg. images) I think beggars can't be choosers, so a guide with a name on it is better than no guide at all ... but we should strive for what's best for everyone, and when it comes to that, the best guides for everyone are ones that don't have names, and thus everyone feels they can improve/correct them.

So what I'd suggest, if there's a "named guide" that you want to correct, is that you instead make a copy of it which doesn't have their name, and instead is called something generic like "Cleric Solo Guide". Put a quick note at the top with a link to the original, but also say that (unlike the original) it's not owned by anyone and everyone should feel free to update and improve it.

And then maybe put your generic guide higher on the list than the original, so people can find it more easily. That way the original author still gets to "own" their guide, and the wiki still gets to benefit from it ... but we move towards a system where we have the best possible guides, and that means the kind anyone can make better.

But all this is just my suggestion/opinion, for how to balance respect for guide authors with a desire to have the best guides ... it's not any sort of formal wiki rule.

[axisofebola]

Uh, where the "notes" for things like guise and manastone being removed? Who cares about bard AoE limit but that is apparently important enough to list as a "note"

[Jibartik]

Nice work Loramin!