Was Having Two Servers More Fun Than One?

[loramin]

Now that we've had time for the "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!" crowd to calm down, I'm genuinely curious about something ...

Before vs. after the merge, which was more fun you for you?

I'm not asking about guilds, how hard soloing or grouping is/was, how long lists are/were, or anything else ... unless that's what "fun" means for you.

Also, I'm not pushing any agenda with this poll: it really has no relevance until P99 launches a new Green server (in a decade or so). I just want to hear from the forum's "silent majority".

[silo32]

Yes..


200 people in a 5 foot hall chasing dragon's.

Also inc 500 people in plane of fear.

[silo32]

Also voted towers

[silo32]

I'm still having fun. Shrug. Given the opt-in id split them till legacy items are removed.

Sometimes i leave the char select screen up or leave a lvl 1 mule logged in for day's. I find it fun boosting pop nbrs.

Fun is relative n subjective

[Frug]

I didn't play on both (other than having chars in both for auction recording), so it really didn't matter a WHOLE lot. Due to time constraints I mostly solo, and that's a lot harder now, but the time I do put in is about the same fun.

[loramin]

Yes..

Also voted towers

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[mcoy]

I'm glad I don't have to level another cleric (yet).

Voted for Post-merge as now there's more dead people.

-Mcoy

[loramin]

Fun is relative n subjective

Whis is exactly why I phrased the question that way: you can't get in an argument with someone over whether they're having fun or not (though I'm sure some on this forum will try ;)).

I didn't play on both (other than having chars in both for auction recording), so it really didn't matter a WHOLE lot.

I suspect the majority of people only played on one. But since the merger impacted both, it doesn't matter whether you played on one or both before: I'm just asking, wherever you played/play, was it more fun before or after (or the same)?

Voted for Post-merge as now there's more dead people.

See this guy gets the poll's (deliberately subjective) criteria :)

[Erati]

Two servers was fun but felt like a side show not an EQ experience

1200 people is classic - was around 2000 people on some servers even

[loramin]

Two servers was fun but felt like a side show not an EQ experience

1200 people is classic - was around 2000 people on some servers even

The poll was definitely not "which is/was more classic?" (this forum could argue that until the cows come home ;)).

But whichever one was more fun, before or after (or neither), vote that!

[cd288]

I'm still having fun. Shrug. Given the opt-in id split them till legacy items are removed.

Sometimes i leave the char select screen up or leave a lvl 1 mule logged in for day's. I find it fun boosting pop nbrs.

Fun is relative n subjective

Split so people can simultaneously farm legacy items on two servers at once

[Evia]

I was loving Teal! Idk if it's a random coincidence but I've found my interest in Everquest waning ever since the merge. I used to play a few hrs every day and now I only log in on the weekends and the last few weekends I haven't been enjoying myself. I've actually been contemplating quitting entirely. Which is crazy coming from me...EQ been part of my life in some shape or form the last 20+ years.

Is it time to end the quest?

[cd288]

I was loving Teal! Idk if it's a random coincidence but I've found my interest in Everquest waning ever since the merge. I used to play a few hrs every day and now I only log in on the weekends and the last few weekends I haven't been enjoying myself. I've actually been contemplating quitting entirely. Which is crazy coming from me...EQ been part of my life in some shape or form the last 20+ years.

Is it time to end the quest?

Guessing that's a coincidence unless you are quitting because you think things are too crowded

[Aeaolena]

100% had more fun before merge.


I've been trying to sum up my personal feelings in a colloquial manner and the best I can do is..... Imagine you are a kid playing board games one night with your family. Everyone is relaxed - laughing and having a good time and picking on each other in a loving way.

The next day, a car accident happens. Your parents are now dead. You didn't see it coming.

You now live at your Uncle Jerry's house, who is rumored to be a pedophile. Uncle Jerry insists the rumors are not true.. but you don't like the idea of getting poked in the butt so you and your siblings move very cautiously around the house. Everyone is on edge and the laughter is gone. You miss home.

[cd288]

100% had more fun before merge.


I've been trying to sum up my personal feelings in a colloquial manner and the best I can do is..... Imagine you are a kid playing board games one night with your family. Everyone is relaxed - laughing and having a good time and picking on each other in a loving way.

The next day, a car accident happens. Your parents are now dead. You didn't see it coming.

You now live at your Uncle Jerry's house, who is rumored to be a pedophile. Uncle Jerry insists the rumors are not true.. but you don't like the idea of getting poked in the butt so you and your siblings move very cautiously around the house. Everyone is on edge and the laughter is gone. You miss home.

Well that analogy was totally unhelpful without any context as to why specifically you don't like the merge. Are you one of the people who just wants to go to the high ZEM zones or farm the most valuable items/cash camps and you aren't having fun because you think it's too crowded because you can't do whatever you want whenever you want?

[Bigsham]

Missing an option should have never been 2 servers as its overpopulating legacy items and never had the pop to support 2 servers.

[Bigsham]

100% had more fun before merge.


I've been trying to sum up my personal feelings in a colloquial manner and the best I can do is..... Imagine you are a kid playing board games one night with your family. Everyone is relaxed - laughing and having a good time and picking on each other in a loving way.

The next day, a car accident happens. Your parents are now dead. You didn't see it coming.

You now live at your Uncle Jerry's house, who is rumored to be a pedophile. Uncle Jerry insists the rumors are not true.. but you don't like the idea of getting poked in the butt so you and your siblings move very cautiously around the house. Everyone is on edge and the laughter is gone. You miss home.

Tell us about your personal feelings weirdo

( Spoiler : Its not about you LOL )

[Evets]

I think its a wash for me... More people can be fun but less can also be better in situations. The tunnel is a lot more lively which is nice. Meeting new people and seeing new guilds has been fun. But I already have my main leveled and geared so its a little more chill leveling alts...

[Aeaolena]

The analogy is a progression of feelings. Relaxation, Fun, Laughter.. followed by Trama, Distrust, Feeling of Loss, Heartbrokenness.

Please don't take it personally. I don't feel like sparring or having intentions projected on. How I feel is just how I feel. Loramin asked for personal thoughts. You can feel free to disagree.

[loramin]

Please don't take it personally. I don't feel like sparring or having intentions projected on. How I feel is just how I feel. You can feel free to disagree.

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I VERY deliberately phrased the question to be about how people feel personally, too try and get honest reactions. I mean, the point of a poll (if you're being genuine) is to determine exactly that, right? How a bunch of people feel?

There's no "right or wrong" to feelings, so if anyone is offended, or goes into "attack mode", because an Internet stranger honestly shared ... maybe question why it does that?

[Aeaolena]

Thank you Loramin. I think sometimes people forget not every forum is RnF.

[RipVanFish]

The “silent majority” you are referring to are teal casuals who briefly got a reprieve from classic Everquest.

[cd288]

Thank you Loramin. I think sometimes people forget not every forum is RnF.

I'm not attacking you. I'm asking why you think the merge was a bad thing. I asked about high ZEMs etc. because the complaints about the merge have been coming from people who want to do the ZEM highway and are finding it too crowded to log in and immediately get a group in those zones to min/max their exp. Curious what the other issues with the server post-merge could be besides that.

[El-Hefe]

I voted Pre-Merge but I'm still having a great time. But Pre-Merge was more fun for people who have a group of friends and want to find an un-used camp.

Now we gotta filter people into a camp one at a time, sometimes over the course of a few hours. Which is not as fun as before.

[TripSin]

The poll was definitely not "which is/was more classic?" (this forum could argue that until the cows come home ;)).

But whichever one was more fun, before or after (or neither), vote that!

There's nothing to argue about that though if you're not delusional and pissy because it's a little harder to get a manastone now. 700 peak concurrent players was not AT ALL classic. Current server population is much more classic. I get that there's a lot of stupidity that gets argued over here but trying to argue that low server population is classic is beyond even these boards I would imagine.

[loramin]

There's nothing to argue about that though if you're not delusional and pissy because it's a little harder to get a manastone now. 700 peak concurrent players was not AT ALL classic. Current server population is much more classic. I get that there's a lot of stupidity that gets argued over here but trying to argue that low server population is classic is beyond even these boards I would imagine.

IF you get to define "which is/was more classic?" only as "which resulted in closer to classic population numbers?", then that is an objective fact, and we can both agree that the post-merge numbers are "more classic" in that sense.

But I would also suggest that the question "which is/was more classic?" could be interpreted many other ways than just considering population numbers. I have absolutely zero desire to in engage in any kind of argument one way or the other, I'm just saying what I said was far broader in scope than what you said ... and what I said is not incontrovertibly clear one way or the other: both sides have arguments to make.

[cd288]

IF you get to define "which is/was more classic?" only as "which resulted in closer to classic population numbers?", then that is an objective fact, and we can both agree that the post-merge numbers are "more classic" in that sense.

But I would also suggest that the question "which is/was more classic?" could be interpreted many other ways than just considering population numbers. I have absolutely zero desire to in engage in any kind of argument one way or the other, I'm just saying what I said was far broader in scope than what you said ... and what I said is not incontrovertibly clear one way or the other: both sides have arguments to make.

Uh oh Trip you've got Loramin bolding words now. You opened Pandora's Box

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

IF you get to define "which is/was more classic?" only as "which resulted in closer to classic population numbers?", then that is an objective fact, and we can both agree that the post-merge numbers are "more classic" in that sense.

But I would also suggest that the question "which is/was more classic?" could be interpreted many other ways than just considering population numbers. I have absolutely zero desire to in engage in any kind of argument one way or the other, I'm just saying what I said was far broader in scope than what you said ... and what I said is not incontrovertibly clear one way or the other: both sides have arguments to make.

You creating this thread is just stringing the drama our further. Stop shit disturbing.

[loramin]

You creating this thread is just stringing the drama our further. Stop shit disturbing.

So you're another one of those people that gets offended by others expressing their personal feelings (about an elf sim, in an elf sim forum)?

[Jungleberry]

I'm having fun either way. It's just really slowed my progress down.

[Velerin]

Its like going into work with the same 20 people everyday, getting to know who you like, who to avoid, chugging along doing your thing. Then all of the sudden 20 new people get dumped into your job you don’t know anything about. You’re too old and grumpy to try and make new friends so you stay away from them. Then they drink all the coffee and eat all the office cookies.

[astuce999]

I haven't logged in since Jan 19th. Teal was awesome, but I guess it was just a dream.

Has anyone tallied the population loss/decline?

I'll probably stop lurking the forums soon.

cheers,

Astuce

[drdrakes]

I haven't logged in since Jan 19th. Teal was awesome, but I guess it was just a dream.

Has anyone tallied the population loss/decline?

I'll probably stop lurking the forums soon.

cheers,

Astuce

Have logged in for a week myself but I'll be the first. Can I have your stuff?

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

So you're another one of those people that gets offended by others expressing their personal feelings (about an elf sim, in an elf sim forum)?

This topic has been beaten absolutely to death. This post is just a dressed up way for you to complain, and continuing the cycle of bitching from the teal players.

Also you throwing out the tired "elf sim elf forum" nonsense just further tanks your credibility.

Stop complaining and move on.

[Smellybuttface]

This topic has been beaten absolutely to death. This post is just a dressed up way for you to complain, and continuing the cycle of bitching from the teal players.

Also you throwing out the tired "elf sim elf forum" nonsense just further tanks your credibility.

Stop complaining and move on.

I definitely agree about using “elf sim.”

Phrases to retire in 2020:

1. “20+ year-old elf sim”

2. “Cuck”

3. “Pras”

4. “Imagine blah blah blah”

5. “Try Blue/Red”

6. “Neckbeard”

7. “Tryhard”

8. “Poopsock”

Etc.

We can all do better than these tired, fucked out EQ tropes. Who really gives a shit if a game is 20 years old or 1 year old? Doesn’t mean anything to an argument. People still play it, so it’s still time spent regardless whenever the hell the thing was developed.

Nobody talks like this in real-life (at least I hope to god they don’t), so just speak like a regular human being instead of these nonsense secret cult code words.

[bubur]

high minds of eq emu itt

but there is two servers op

[Fammaden]

Imagine being so tryhard that you want to ban phrases in 2020 on elf sim forum for 20 year old elf sim. Consider blue.

[Silverfalcon]

Now that we've had time for the "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!" crowd to calm down, I'm genuinely curious about something ...

Before vs. after the merge, which was more fun you for you?

I'm not asking about guilds, how hard soloing or grouping is/was, how long lists are/were, or anything else ... unless that's what "fun" means for you.

Also, I'm not pushing any agenda with this poll: it really has no relevance until P99 launches a new Green server (in a decade or so). I just want to hear from the forum's "silent majority".

Here's my personal feelings on the matter. I have a limited amount of time I can play and in a specific time slot that I have that limited amount of time to play. So yes, with more people on the server now it makes it very hard for me personally to enjoy my time playing on Green now.
I also really really get tired of people saying that there wasn't enough population to support two servers when I look, and I see 4 other servers under the Legends servers with 200 or less people on them at prime time which is currently now. You know what.... drop red server all together with it's what 39 people or drop The Hidden Forest server with its 64 people and bring back Teal so there is 500-900 on each server. If you think Teal and Green’s servers weren’t enough population to support a server what do you think about these other servers that has far less people on them?

[silo32]

I definitely agree that I play a 20+ year-old elf sim and am the biggest cuck. Imagine me not being a try hard blue/red Neckbeard poop socking something.

pras

[RipVanFish]

Here's my personal feelings on the matter. I have a limited amount of time I can play and in a specific time slot that I have that limited amount of time to play. So yes, with more people on the server now it makes it very hard for me personally to enjoy my time playing on Green now.
I also really really get tired of people saying that there wasn't enough population to support two servers when I look, and I see 4 other servers under the Legends servers with 200 or less people on them at prime time which is currently now. You know what.... drop red server all together with it's what 39 people or drop The Hidden Forest server with its 64 people and bring back Teal so there is 500-900 on each server. If you think Teal and Green’s servers weren’t enough population to support a server what do you think about these other servers that has far less people on them?

Those servers are quite dead, and a third of those players you are seeing are boxers.

[Doktoor]

Personally, I feel that the word poopsock is very descriptive of what it describes.

[Natewest1987]

I played everyday from server launch day, thru first day opt ins for teal, and then up to about two weeks before merge. I came back about a week after merge, I guess. I was pretty mortified upon hearing about the merge and was expecting the worst.

It’s not been as bad as the forums would have you believe. I’ve only met one person from the infamous guild of green who was an ahole. Surprisingly, several others have gone out of their way to toss me buffs, help me find things, pick me up for corpse runs, etc. granted my exposure to them is limited. My friends from teal are long gone, not logging in anymore, or just out leveled me. So I started a lowbie and am not in any direct competition with them or anyone else really, so it’s been pretty positive.

I guess that’s a lot of sentences to say that it doesn’t suck. Teal had this great sense of camaraderie in the beginning, especially among those who transferred early on. That to me felt like classic eq, irrelevant of server populations.

I should add though, I also haven’t bothered going to any of the high zem and over crowded parts yet. If a /who all can’t show me the name of every person there then I generally avoid it. Teal had those moments at prime time, but it had tapered down a lot. Greens combined population is wack in certain bottle necks.

[solleks]

Merged the towers into the ground. Jeez man that's close to the mark.

[Castle2.0]

Teal community felt tighter knit, more friendly. Game is still fun, but was more fun pre-merge.

[gnomishfirework]

Other than HGs, I haven’t seen anything become overly packed during my play hours.

Not nearly as bad as I expected. Manastone camp little rough now but whatever. I only need 5 more.

[PabloEdvardo]

100% more fun pre-merge. It felt more like actual Live classic, with multiple servers with different communities. (Edit: Also, what classic server with 2000 people had the number of tryhards at lvl50 we have?)

Granted, off hours it's still hard finding people for groups, but anything even resembling normal hours is packed, and it slaughtered the momentum for many of us that were grinding happily every day.

[Smellybuttface]

Manastone camp little rough now but whatever. I only need 5 more.

I hope to god this is a joke....

[sedrie.bellamie]

Teal community felt tighter knit, more friendly. Game is still fun, but was more fun pre-merge.

if people didnt petition each other ever 5 minutes; than the merger prob wouldnt have happened

[Natewest1987]

if people didnt petition each other ever 5 minutes; than the merger prob wouldnt have happened

this makes no sense. the biggest rnf issues seemed to come from green. Why would they put even more people in that sandbox if they wanted to deal with less petitions?

[loramin]

Merged the towers into the ground. Jeez man that's close to the mark.

I truly didn't mean to offend anyone with that, and apologize if I did.

This forum has a long tradition of including some sort of "Bush towers" option in every poll. I was simply trying to continue that tradition, and also keep the option tangentially related to the poll ... but I certainly didn't mean to be disrespectful (or at least, no more disrespectful than any other poll).

[cd288]

So you're another one of those people that gets offended by others expressing their personal feelings (about an elf sim, in an elf sim forum)?

You get just as fired up as anyone else, so not really a good look to criticize someone for that

[cd288]

Here's my personal feelings on the matter. I have a limited amount of time I can play and in a specific time slot that I have that limited amount of time to play. So yes, with more people on the server now it makes it very hard for me personally to enjoy my time playing on Green now.

People say this, but then they'll never explain why they feel that way. I.e. they won't explain further why the higher population has caused them an issue. Frankly, I have barely noticed a difference besides having several more people at a time in your average zone. Granted, I don't spend much time in the high ZEM zones or the most popular item/cash camps. For example, I've spent the last few levels in the Karanas doing a mix of soloing and duos/trios and I'm having a blast.

If server population is causing an issue for someone, then I'm left to assume that said person is mad because they only want to play in the high ZEM zones so they can use the "ZEM highway" to min/max their EXP, or they are mad because there are certain high value camps (i.e. that are great plat farming camps or have mobs that drop valuable loot) that they can't just freely waltz into anymore. Those, to me, don't seem like good arguments against the merge.

But feel free to clarify why you are not having as much fun post-merge if those aren't the reasons.

[Silverfalcon]

People say this, but then they'll never explain why they feel that way. I.e. they won't explain further why the higher population has caused them an issue. Frankly, I have barely noticed a difference besides having several more people at a time in your average zone. Granted, I don't spend much time in the high ZEM zones or the most popular item/cash camps. For example, I've spent the last few levels in the Karanas doing a mix of soloing and duos/trios and I'm having a blast.

If server population is causing an issue for someone, then I'm left to assume that said person is mad because they only want to play in the high ZEM zones so they can use the "ZEM highway" to min/max their EXP, or they are mad because there are certain high value camps (i.e. that are great plat farming camps or have mobs that drop valuable loot) that they can't just freely waltz into anymore. Those, to me, don't seem like good arguments against the merge.

But feel free to clarify why you are not having as much fun post-merge if those aren't the reasons.
I'll give some examples. I was camping in SK and Split paw. I could get a spire or go inside and camp easily before the merge. Now...I can't get a spire and it is a lot harder to camp where I was because it's generally camped now. Before it wasn't. Also in Permafrost there was hardly ever anyone there except for people farming the nets which I didn't care about but now there's a 3-4 person wait for camp I specifically need which granted is a high pp camp but I actually just need the item for my character. I won't even talk about the AC in Uguk which was always pretty much camped now the line is a lot. All these spots were items that I need for my 35 shaman but now every time I log in when I am able too guess what....there's a line. When something was easily accessible with the exclusion of the AC in Uguk and it's not now then yes that is what I mean. I don't want to spend half the time I have online traveling trying to find a spot to be able to do something in. That's just my opinion.

And you have not addressed the other servers that have far lower populations than what Teal and Green where....why don't you please address that aspect of my post....

[Enshadowed]

I haven't logged in since Jan 19th. Teal was awesome, but I guess it was just a dream.

Has anyone tallied the population loss/decline?

I'll probably stop lurking the forums soon.

cheers,

Astuce

I stopped playing as well a few weeks after launch. I was so incredibly excited for a fresh start, and the first few days in particular were amazing... but some of the changes they made in the lead-up to the launch just really killed it for me. No pet window and being unable to see my DoT damage, as a necro, was just too "classic" for me. Glad everyone else is having fun, though :).

Adios, elves.

[Smellybuttface]

And you have not addressed the other servers that have far lower populations than what Teal and Green where....why don't you please address that aspect of my post....

The vast majority of those are boxed servers (I.e. someone playing more than one character simultaneously). So for instance, the “Grand Creation” server doesn’t even have a box limit, so people will play upwards of 16 characters at a time using programmed macro’s. I wouldn’t ever trust the population numbers on a non-P99 server (which don’t allow boxing).

[Silverfalcon]

The vast majority of those are boxed servers (I.e. someone playing more than one character simultaneously). So for instance, the “Grand Creation” server doesn’t even have a box limit, so people will play upwards of 16 characters at a time using programmed macro’s. I wouldn’t ever trust the population numbers on a non-P99 server (which don’t allow boxing).

My point about server numbers is that Teal and Green were the leading servers for population. If there were issues server side get rid of the double digit servers before you merge servers with triple digit server populations. That's the whole thing that is still wacky to me. There was never an explanation that I could read that gave the reasoning behind merging the two servers to begin with at this time. I know they had said originally they were considering merging shortly or around the time Kunark was going to come out....but this merge happened without any notice or explanation. To be honest I am almost to point where I am not going to be back until Kunark comes out if at all.

[cd288]

I'll give some examples. I was camping in SK and Split paw. I could get a spire or go inside and camp easily before the merge. Now...I can't get a spire and it is a lot harder to camp where I was because it's generally camped now. Before it wasn't. Also in Permafrost there was hardly ever anyone there except for people farming the nets which I didn't care about but now there's a 3-4 person wait for camp I specifically need which granted is a high pp camp but I actually just need the item for my character. I won't even talk about the AC in Uguk which was always pretty much camped now the line is a lot. All these spots were items that I need for my 35 shaman but now every time I log in when I am able too guess what....there's a line. When something was easily accessible with the exclusion of the AC in Uguk and it's not now then yes that is what I mean. I don't want to spend half the time I have online traveling trying to find a spot to be able to do something in. That's just my opinion.

And you have not addressed the other servers that have far lower populations than what Teal and Green where....why don't you please address that aspect of my post....

Well, for the spires, there's a million other things to kill in SK so if you're just trying to EXP then spires being camped shouldn't really cause you a problem. With respect to your other examples: UGuk - high ZEM zone and one of the more popular camps, things in Splitpaw and Permafrost that you're trying to camp because they drop valuable items that can likely be argued as somewhat BIS for this era are of course going to be crowded and camped. So with all due respect it sounds like I was somewhat correct in that your issue with the merge is that you can't easily get valuable items whenever you want them and you can't easily camp a popular camp in a high ZEM dungeon whenever you want.

My point about server numbers is that Teal and Green were the leading servers for population. If there were issues server side get rid of the double digit servers before you merge servers with triple digit server populations. That's the whole thing that is still wacky to me. There was never an explanation that I could read that gave the reasoning behind merging the two servers to begin with at this time. I know they had said originally they were considering merging shortly or around the time Kunark was going to come out....but this merge happened without any notice or explanation. To be honest I am almost to point where I am not going to be back until Kunark comes out if at all.

No, they never said anything about considering merging around the time Kunark came out. That was total speculation by non-staff members on the forums. When Teal was created, the staff was VERY clear that it was a temporary measure to reduce the overpopulation on Green because it was like 2.4k minimum at prime time. The staff said that they would re-merge when the population died down and said that could even be as short as days or a couple weeks after the split...it was solely based on population size. The population size of Green now is pretty below what most servers' average population was back in 1999. Other servers' population size is totally irrelevant to this discussion. Those servers are primarily people who box multiple characters at once or are otherwise disinterested in really playing with others and just want to play EQ almost like a single player game. That is not what people on P99 want; we want an actual MMO experience. But, since you mentioned those other servers, if you want to just be able to do whatever you want whenever you want, you could easily go play on those servers and your Shaman can level up quickly and be super geared with ease...you just don't have many other people around to play with. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

There are zero issues post-merge unless, as you note, you want to get very valuable items for your class and you have to wait in line at a very popular camp (or you otherwise only want to EXP in high ZEM zones like UGuk).

[loramin]

You get just as fired up as anyone else, so not really a good look to criticize someone for that

I never claimed I wasn't "fired up" ... although I have tried (very hard) to be as neutral as I possibly can with both how I framed the poll and how I've responded. But look, being "fired up" does not equate to attacking someone for expressing a feeling!

It doesn't matter if I say "I hate Blue" or "I love Blue": I'm not attacking you. It doesn't matter whether you love Blue or hate Blue: me expressing how I feel is not anything ... about you. It's me saying how I feel (which, again is what polls are for).

If I say "Blue sucks because X", then great: argue with me (especially outside a poll and especially if it's in RnF)!

But if you truly can't understand the appeal of one poll thread (not in RnF, but in the Green/Teal forum) where people are allowed to say how they feel about those servers, either way ... without being attacked for it by some insecure Netizen (who feels that anyone who expresses any feeling they disagree with is somehow personally attacking them, and they need to respond and attack back) ... I'm sorry, but that ain't healthy.

And that's saying a lot coming from someone like myself who clearly (see the post count to the left) is overly-invested in this forum.

[Smellybuttface]

My point about server numbers is that Teal and Green were the leading servers for population. If there were issues server side get rid of the double digit servers before you merge servers with triple digit server populations. That's the whole thing that is still wacky to me. There was never an explanation that I could read that gave the reasoning behind merging the two servers to begin with at this time. I know they had said originally they were considering merging shortly or around the time Kunark was going to come out....but this merge happened without any notice or explanation. To be honest I am almost to point where I am not going to be back until Kunark comes out if at all.

Also, note that the P99 staff isn’t in any way affiliated with those other servers. They can’t control who merges and who doesn’t. They only control Blue, Teal, and Red.

Waiting for camps is how EQ has classically always been. GM’s used to control some of the lists back in the day, but since that’s a burden on such a small staff, they came up with the /list feature for certain camps. Other camps (like AC) are non-posted, but people frequently will ask the campholder if they can get on a list behind them when they are finished with the camp. Just as you want to camp valuable items for your character, other people do too. And with some camps having respawn rates of 6 hours, or AC where you can get a dozen placeholders before the Croc spawns, you’ll have to wait till that person’s finished.

Example: I have a friend who recently camped Hadden (6 hour respawn). 2 people were ahead of him, and it’s a 6 hour spawn. He had to wait for them to get their earring before he could move into the camp. That’s just how classic is. I’m sure at some point you’ll hold a camp that someone else wants and maybe THEY have limited time. Perhaps they even have less time to play then you do. But they’ll have to wait till you’re finished to move in.

[Gustoo]

We have 3 servers now. Blue Green and Red

[Bigsham]

The vast majority of those are boxed servers (I.e. someone playing more than one character simultaneously). So for instance, the “Grand Creation” server doesn’t even have a box limit, so people will play upwards of 16 characters at a time using programmed macro’s. I wouldn’t ever trust the population numbers on a non-P99 server (which don’t allow boxing).

i play 55 on grand creation : )

[Silverfalcon]

Well, for the spires, there's a million other things to kill in SK so if you're just trying to EXP then spires being camped shouldn't really cause you a problem. With respect to your other examples: UGuk - high ZEM zone and one of the more popular camps, things in Splitpaw and Permafrost that you're trying to camp because they drop valuable items that can likely be argued as somewhat BIS for this era are of course going to be crowded and camped. So with all due respect it sounds like I was somewhat correct in that your issue with the merge is that you can't easily get valuable items whenever you want them and you can't easily camp a popular camp in a high ZEM dungeon whenever you want.



No, they never said anything about considering merging around the time Kunark came out. That was total speculation by non-staff members on the forums. When Teal was created, the staff was VERY clear that it was a temporary measure to reduce the overpopulation on Green because it was like 2.4k minimum at prime time. The staff said that they would re-merge when the population died down and said that could even be as short as days or a couple weeks after the split...it was solely based on population size. The population size of Green now is pretty below what most servers' average population was back in 1999. Other servers' population size is totally irrelevant to this discussion. Those servers are primarily people who box multiple characters at once or are otherwise disinterested in really playing with others and just want to play EQ almost like a single player game. That is not what people on P99 want; we want an actual MMO experience. But, since you mentioned those other servers, if you want to just be able to do whatever you want whenever you want, you could easily go play on those servers and your Shaman can level up quickly and be super geared with ease...you just don't have many other people around to play with. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

There are zero issues post-merge unless, as you note, you want to get very valuable items for your class and you have to wait in line at a very popular camp (or you otherwise only want to EXP in high ZEM zones like UGuk).

Why are you comparing things to 1999 servers and not the project 1999 server populations? That is what I am talking about. Plus in 1999 there were multiple servers to go too. There is only 1 currently that is 1999 equivalent at this time so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. It's not like I can go to server z y z and have the same game play that is currently on green.

[Silverfalcon]

Also, note that the P99 staff isn’t in any way affiliated with those other servers. They can’t control who merges and who doesn’t. They only control Blue, Teal, and Red.

Waiting for camps is how EQ has classically always been. GM’s used to control some of the lists back in the day, but since that’s a burden on such a small staff, they came up with the /list feature for certain camps. Other camps (like AC) are non-posted, but people frequently will ask the campholder if they can get on a list behind them when they are finished with the camp. Just as you want to camp valuable items for your character, other people do too. And with some camps having respawn rates of 6 hours, or AC where you can get a dozen placeholders before the Croc spawns, you’ll have to wait till that person’s finished.

Example: I have a friend who recently camped Hadden (6 hour respawn). 2 people were ahead of him, and it’s a 6 hour spawn. He had to wait for them to get their earring before he could move into the camp. That’s just how classic is. I’m sure at some point you’ll hold a camp that someone else wants and maybe THEY have limited time. Perhaps they even have less time to play then you do. But they’ll have to wait till you’re finished to move in.

I understand how classic was I played on Inny from 2000-2007. What I am saying is that before the merge it wasn't so much of an issue that after the merge is a big issue. And I was just giving examples for me personally because that's what i was really looking forward to doing as I had just hit 34 when the merge hit and I had gotten my pet and better dots so I was looking forward to these places and now because of the merge well in my time slot it's a no go to get those places now because of the merge.

[Silverfalcon]

We have 3 servers now. Blue Green and Red

What's the point of red? It has less than 50 players a vast majority of the time I see it. Why not drop it and keep teal? Blue still seems fairly active but geeze....Green and Teal were far more active than Red is.

[cd288]

Why are you comparing things to 1999 servers and not the project 1999 server populations? That is what I am talking about. Plus in 1999 there were multiple servers to go too. There is only 1 currently that is 1999 equivalent at this time so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. It's not like I can go to server z y z and have the same game play that is currently on green.

I'm citing 1999 populations because you are complaining that the population of Green is too high when it's not even near the populations that actually existed on most servers back in 1999 (and the devs and players didn't find those higher populations to be an issue). Point being that the server clearly isn't overcrowded since it's not even at the numbers that servers had in 1999.

I understand how classic was I played on Inny from 2000-2007. What I am saying is that before the merge it wasn't so much of an issue that after the merge is a big issue. And I was just giving examples for me personally because that's what i was really looking forward to doing as I had just hit 34 when the merge hit and I had gotten my pet and better dots so I was looking forward to these places and now because of the merge well in my time slot it's a no go to get those places now because of the merge.

No...it's not an "issue" at all. What you're really saying is that it's an "issue" that you can't walk into valuable/very popular camps that drop some of the best items for your class in the current era whenever you want and easily get them. That's not an "issue" that's classic EverQuest. This isn't some modern MMO where everyone gets to do whatever they want whenever they want and just get all the best stuff with very little effort or time. You calling this an "issue" makes it seem like you would be better off playing a game with instances like WoW or the EQ TLPs so that you can have your own little private space whenever you want to camp something.

[Silverfalcon]

I'm citing 1999 populations because you are complaining that the population of Green is too high when it's not even near the populations that actually existed on most servers back in 1999 (and the devs and players didn't find those higher populations to be an issue). Point being that the server clearly isn't overcrowded since it's not even at the numbers that servers had in 1999.



No...it's not an "issue" at all. What you're really saying is that it's an "issue" that you can't walk into valuable/very popular camps that drop some of the best items for your class in the current era whenever you want and easily get them. That's not an "issue" that's classic EverQuest. This isn't some modern MMO where everyone gets to do whatever they want whenever they want and just get all the best stuff with very little effort or time. You calling this an "issue" makes it seem like you would be better off playing a game with instances like WoW or the EQ TLPs so that you can have your own little private space whenever you want to camp something.

No what i am saying is I did not have near the issue prior to the merge that I now have because of the merge. Which is what this particular thread is about.

[Silverfalcon]

I'm citing 1999 populations because you are complaining that the population of Green is too high when it's not even near the populations that actually existed on most servers back in 1999 (and the devs and players didn't find those higher populations to be an issue). Point being that the server clearly isn't overcrowded since it's not even at the numbers that servers had in 1999.

Also 20 years ago I had a lot more free time than I do currently. So I could play in off peak times as well. Can't exactly do that these days....Quit acting like time froze in 1999. The people who played in 1999 aren't kids or young adults anymore. They have a lot less free time than they did then. Really are you some sort of troll not to understand that people have a lot less free time to utilize than they did 20 years ago. Quit trying to compare something that is not comparable today. That's like saying people where fine using the library and using microfiche to find information for reports that now use google to find that same information. Or better yet dial up was fine 20 years ago. I don't even think you can buy a 14.4k modem today from any store. So please please quit referencing something that is no longer applicable.

[Balimon]

Teal was way more fun. Period. It was gut wrenching and shocking and demoralizing when we found out it was over.

I am still having fun, the staff has done an incredible job with this project. But for the first time since launch I am contemplating playing some of my blue characters again.

[astuce999]

What's the point of red? It has less than 50 players a vast majority of the time I see it. Why not drop it and keep teal? Blue still seems fairly active but geeze....Green and Teal were far more active than Red is.

Red was a great place to quarantine the toxic players for a while, but after a million "consider red" posts they moved on to lobby for teal&green to be combined so that it could create that toxic recipe they love so much, and they've been having a ton of fun burning the place down since the merge.

They hope that once green is mostly dead Rogean will do Red 2.0 so that they can burn that one down as well.

Boxing was classic, and high populations on vanilla content was classic; neither should be true on a 2020 emulation server for it to prosper, for pretty much the same reasons.

cheers,

Astuce

[Tecmos Deception]

Why are you comparing things to 1999 servers and not the project 1999 server populations? That is what I am talking about. Plus in 1999 there were multiple servers to go too. There is only 1 currently that is 1999 equivalent at this time so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. It's not like I can go to server z y z and have the same game play that is currently on green.

Folks around here have found in-era sources saying that population numbers on the smallest live servers were still higher than green99 is since the merge with teal.

There are only two possible population-related differences I can think of between live and green. 1) Green players tend to congregate in certain zones while shunning other zones, where on live they MAY have been more evenly distributed across all of Norrath. 2) Green players MAY have leveled faster, overall, than live players did, so that the mid- and higher-level content feels more crowded than it did on live.

But no one has actually given even a tiny little piece of evidence that supports either of those things.


So no. Try again. The only evidence relating to populations that has been on these forums, to my knowledge, is evidence that green has is EASIER in terms of overcrowding than live did.

[Bigsham]

No what i am saying is I did not have near the issue prior to the merge that I now have because of the merge. Which is what this particular thread is about.

Bye

[Silverfalcon]

Folks around here have found in-era sources saying that population numbers on the smallest live servers were still higher than green99 is since the merge with teal.

There are only two possible population-related differences I can think of between live and green. 1) Green players tend to congregate in certain zones while shunning other zones, where on live they MAY have been more evenly distributed across all of Norrath. 2) Green players MAY have leveled faster, overall, than live players did, so that the mid- and higher-level content feels more crowded than it did on live.

But no one has actually given even a tiny little piece of evidence that supports either of those things.


So no. Try again. The only evidence relating to populations that has been on these forums, to my knowledge, is evidence that green has is EASIER in terms of overcrowding than live did.

People were also much younger 20 years ago than they are now. They had a lot more free time 20 years ago than they do now. Again the whole point of this thread was what was more "Fun" pre or post merge. Going by the number of votes I'd say the people overwhelming say that pre-merge was much funner.

[Silverfalcon]

Bye

Reading comprehension is strong in this one...

:: points to the name of the thread ::

[bum3]

I had a lot more fun pre-merge.

My fun is measured on the ability to group with guildies and friends without spending the majority of time running place to place trying to find a camp that can support a group. The majority of us have 3-4 hours playtime per day.

First week we spent 4 days trying to get exp in lguk, solb, perm, mm, and even paw, to no avail. Then we spent a few days in kedge and that was fine unless a guild was there raiding.. which happened every night so it boiled down to 1 hour or so of fun then 2-3 hours of being trained or having zero mobs due to raid shenanigans. 1 night we setup in Kaladim killing guards. Was fairly fun. Little to No exp (4 hours and gained 1/3rd orange in 44 killing 10-11 dwarf spawns), but decent money. Next night I guess someone seen us there cause there was another few people killing them... hadn't seen that before.

So basically we went from having 1 or 2 spots to group up and have fun (Friday nights was drunk eq where we would have 1.5-3 groups in a zone trying to survive) to none.

I log in for a bit to say hi and run to a few zones and do CC to see if we can get a group together and end up just logging out. We are trying to stay together until closer to kunark or kunark release when people can spread out.

[loramin]

No what i am saying is I did not have near the issue prior to the merge that I now have because of the merge. Which is what this particular thread is about.

Actually, as the person who started the thread, I have to disagree with you.

When I made this poll, I in all honesty did not know which option would get more votes, whether it would be a close race or a landslide, etc.

The entire point was that I wanted to know. I wanted to test the temperature of the server, to try not listening to whoever could post the most angrily in a thread ... and instead try as hard as possible to objectively see how everyone felt.

[bum3]

But the staff doesn't care about the "fun" of the players.

[cd288]

Also 20 years ago I had a lot more free time than I do currently. So I could play in off peak times as well. Can't exactly do that these days....Quit acting like time froze in 1999. The people who played in 1999 aren't kids or young adults anymore. They have a lot less free time than they did then. Really are you some sort of troll not to understand that people have a lot less free time to utilize than they did 20 years ago. Quit trying to compare something that is not comparable today. That's like saying people where fine using the library and using microfiche to find information for reports that now use google to find that same information. Or better yet dial up was fine 20 years ago. I don't even think you can buy a 14.4k modem today from any store. So please please quit referencing something that is no longer applicable.

Lol so basically what you are demanding is that the game change to accommodate the fact the you personally have less play time. I barely have any playtime and I still enjoy the game...I don't need to get BIS everything and camp the most valuable things in order to have fun. You're complaining about the merge because now you expect that you should be able to get whatever you want whenever you want it without having to wait or share (which actually makes it pretty ironic that you said no one are kids or young adults anymore, since your thinking/expectation is quite childish).

That's not what classic EQ is about, sorry. Like I said, if your goal is to play an MMO where you can do every single thing you want right when you want to do it and be able to get all the best gear by waltzing into a camp whenever you want to, classic EverQuest is not for you. Games like WoW or the EQ TLPs that allow players to have their own instances would be more enjoyable for you I think.

[Silverfalcon]

Actually, as the person who started the thread, I have to disagree with you.

When I made this poll, I in all honesty did not know which option would get more votes, whether it would be a close race or a landslide, etc.

The entire point was that I wanted to know. I wanted to test the temperature of the server, to try not listening to whoever could post the most angrily in a thread ... and instead try as hard as possible to objectively see how everyone felt.

Ok, so your objective was to see how people felt. Judging by the voting so far I'd say it's about 5 to 1 had more fun pre-merge than post-merge. Sorry if I paraphrasing what you were asking.

I was not trying to be angry. I just get tired of people saying...1999 populations were higher than what green is currently. Ignoring the fact that it's 2020 not 1999.

[Silverfalcon]

Lol so basically what you are demanding is that the game change to accommodate the fact the you personally have less play time. I barely have any playtime and I still enjoy the game...I don't need to get BIS everything and camp the most valuable things in order to have fun. You're complaining about the merge because now you expect that you should be able to get whatever you want whenever you want it without having to wait or share (which actually makes it pretty ironic that you said no one are kids or young adults anymore, since your thinking/expectation is quite childish).

That's not what classic EQ is about, sorry. Like I said, if your goal is to play an MMO where you can do every single thing you want right when you want to do it and be able to get all the best gear by waltzing into a camp whenever you want to, classic EverQuest is not for you. Games like WoW or the EQ TLPs that allow players to have their own instances would be more enjoyable for you I think.

I am not demanding anything. I am just not understanding why the two servers (green and teal) which were higher in population than blue and red btw. Were merged. Does that escape your comprehension? It's not about what was going on in 1999. It's about what is going on currently in 2020. There were 4 servers now there are 3. Red is about dead. Blue is about half of what green is. So why merge green and teal when I can't recall reading any threads in green or teal asking for the servers to be merged. From most accounts I can tell most people were pretty happy with how Green and Teal were. Judging by the votes for this thread 5Xs more players are unhappy than happy there was a merge.

[bum3]

Lol so basically what you are demanding is that the game change to accommodate the fact the you personally have less play time.

That's not what classic EQ is about, sorry...

I don't think you have a clue what eq classic is about. Adam Joffe interview 2005 "Some worlds have slightly different rules of play, but the main reason there are so many is simply to avoid overcrowding. At any moment, there are thousands of players online, so some locales in the game would become too crowded with creatures if not for the division into separate worlds"

They clearly, at least publicly, cared about overcrowding and making sure people could do all locales during their play time.

[Silverfalcon]

Lol so basically what you are demanding is that the game change to accommodate the fact the you personally have less play time. I barely have any playtime and I still enjoy the game...I don't need to get BIS everything and camp the most valuable things in order to have fun. You're complaining about the merge because now you expect that you should be able to get whatever you want whenever you want it without having to wait or share (which actually makes it pretty ironic that you said no one are kids or young adults anymore, since your thinking/expectation is quite childish).

That's not what classic EQ is about, sorry. Like I said, if your goal is to play an MMO where you can do every single thing you want right when you want to do it and be able to get all the best gear by waltzing into a camp whenever you want to, classic EverQuest is not for you. Games like WoW or the EQ TLPs that allow players to have their own instances would be more enjoyable for you I think.

BTW did you actually play during EQ classic years? I did on Inny starting around march of 2000 or so and I really don't remember having the issues for doing things that I do now. In fact I still have all my original discs from EQ do you?

[Visual]

Love seeing people in every nook and cranny of norrath, but also hate it very much when there is nothing to do because every camp is claimed. Friday bad, saturday worse, sunday dont even bother.

[cd288]

I am not demanding anything. I am just not understanding why the two servers (green and teal) which were higher in population than blue and red btw. Were merged. Does that escape your comprehension? It's not about what was going on in 1999. It's about what is going on currently in 2020. There were 4 servers now there are 3. Red is about dead. Blue is about half of what green is. So why merge green and teal when I can't recall reading any threads in green or teal asking for the servers to be merged. From most accounts I can tell most people were pretty happy with how Green and Teal were. Judging by the votes for this thread 5Xs more players are unhappy than happy there was a merge.

Teal was created as a temporary measure to deal with overpopulation of over 2.4k people as of Green launch. The goal was to create Teal to take on some of the players for a little bit until people spaced out more in the level ranges rather than them being all packed into the same couple low level zones. The population has declined by a lot since Green's original launch and the remaining population is relatively evenly spaced out across the level ranges. Ergo, Teal served it's purpose and was merged back into Green.

Teal was NOT created just for the sake of splitting the population so that you can easily farm valuable drops on your Shaman lol. It accomplished what the staff wanted it to.

Side note, there were plenty of threads and comments by people saying the servers should be merged. Just like the initial poll taken on whether to split in the first place was pretty even.

BTW did you actually play during EQ classic years? I did on Inny starting around march of 2000 or so and I really don't remember having the issues for doing things that I do now. In fact I still have all my original discs from EQ do you?

Considering I was a GM, I would say I played during the classic years lol. Also, if you started in March 2000, then that would partially explain why you don't recall things being as crowded. Kunark released in April 2000, which expanded the game world a ton. Depending on when in March you started, you might not have even been high enough level in March to start farming some of the things you're referencing in your comments...so by the time you were Kunark would have been out and things would be even more spaced out. But to answer your question in general, yes things like you are experiencing were par for the course in 1999.

[Tecmos Deception]

I just get tired of people saying...1999 populations were higher than what green is currently. Ignoring the fact that it's 2020 not 1999.

You can keep repeating that as often as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3069156&postcount=78

Live servers were LARGER than green. Stop trying to use a lie that I already talked to you about as justification for your preference over the preference of the people who do all the work and run this project.

[cd288]

You can keep repeating that as often as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3069156&postcount=78

Live servers were LARGER than green. Stop trying to use a lie that I already talked to you about as justification for your preference over the preference of the people who do all the work and run this project.

he also started playing right around when Kunark was released so doesn't actually have significant experience playing in the Pre-Kunark era. So I wouldn't say he's qualified to speak about whether the current state of Green is or isn't like what a server was in 1999.

[astuce999]

People were also much younger 20 years ago than they are now. They had a lot more free time 20 years ago than they do now. Again the whole point of this thread was what was more "Fun" pre or post merge. Going by the number of votes I'd say the people overwhelming say that pre-merge was much funner.

Add to that the fact that all the people who quit because it was no longer fun aren't around to vote, it's probably 10x.

There's no real point in arguing with them, as their only purpose is to drive the server to the ground, just like they did with red. It's easy to cross-reference the people who post on the red forums and on these types of threads, and they're always saying the same things.

Boxing was classic, but boxing in 2020 is toxic for a server. High populations were classic, but high populations in 2020 is toxic for a server, and for the same reasons.

cheers,

Astuce

[cd288]

Add to that the fact that all the people who quit because it was no longer fun aren't around to vote, it's probably 10x.

There's no real point in arguing with them, as their only purpose is to drive the server to the ground, just like they did with red. It's easy to cross-reference the people who post on the red forums and on these types of threads, and they're always saying the same things.

Boxing was classic, but boxing in 2020 is toxic for a server. High populations were classic, but high populations in 2020 is toxic for a server, and for the same reasons.

cheers,

Astuce

No one is trying to drive the server into the ground lol, quit being so dramatic. The point is that complaining the server is too crowded because you can't go to the camps that drop some of the more valuable items and easily camp them whenever you want isn't a legitimate complaint.

If you were to say something along the lines of "the server is so freaking crowded that I'm in South Karana and I can barely find any mobs to kill whatsoever" then that would be a more valid argument.

But essentially saying things like "omg this item that's like BIS for my class is frequently camped and I can't easily get it without waiting my turn" or "Omg HHK, Guk, CB, and Unrest are always so crowded that I have to wait for groups and I want to be able to play in the highest ZEM zones possible and not go anywhere else for EXP" aren't really legitimate arguments for why the server's population is too high lol

[Evets]

Why don't they just make all dungeons/cities the same zem you'd think that would help with the situation... is it just because it's not classic?

[Tecmos Deception]

The point is that complaining the server is too crowded because you can't go to the camps that drop some of the more valuable items and easily camp them whenever you want isn't a legitimate complaint.

If you were to say something along the lines of "the server is so freaking crowded that I'm in South Karana and I can barely find any mobs to kill whatsoever" then that would be a more valid argument.

But essentially saying things like "omg this item that's like BIS for my class is frequently camped and I can't easily get it without waiting my turn" or "Omg HHK, Guk, CB, and Unrest are always so crowded that I have to wait for groups and I want to be able to play in the highest ZEM zones possible and not go anywhere else for EXP" aren't really legitimate arguments for why the server's population is too high lol

^

It's not even as bad as that though really. I regularly find cool little exp spots for my solo wiz, get groups on my rogue (even in spots like uguk that is more crowded), find open things to camp to sell for plat on my 50 sham. No, I can't log in at 9 pm any day of the week and expect to find freeti or frenzy open. No, I haven't killed vox or naggy.

But so what? Classic EQ is about a hell of a lot more than that. The only not classic thing in this whole debate is the people who don't appreciate this, imo.

[loramin]

Ok, so your objective was to see how people felt. Judging by the voting so far I'd say it's about 5 to 1 had more fun pre-merge than post-merge. Sorry if I paraphrasing what you were asking.

I was not trying to be angry. I just get tired of people saying...1999 populations were higher than what green is currently. Ignoring the fact that it's 2020 not 1999.

My point was more .... and it wasn't just for you ... this place is big on arguing. As others have pointed out, we've already got plenty of threads full of merger-related arguments.

If this thread is "about" anything, it's about listening to your fellow players, trying to understand them and what's fun (or not) for them, and how something like two servers vs. one impacts that. It's not about convincing anyone else that your way of fun is right.

Or at least that's what I see the thread being about, and I've loved when people have responded genuinely and honestly (on either "side") about their fun, instead of getting bent out of shape over someone else's.

[cd288]

^

It's not even as bad as that though really. I regularly find cool little exp spots for my solo wiz, get groups on my rogue (even in spots like uguk that is more crowded), find open things to camp to sell for plat on my 50 sham. No, I can't log in at 9 pm any day of the week and expect to find freeti or frenzy open. No, I haven't killed vox or naggy.

But so what? Classic EQ is about a hell of a lot more than that. The only not classic thing in this whole debate is the people who don't appreciate this, imo.

Agreed. It's actually kind of interesting because it sort of shows how the modern MMO "I want it and I want it now" mentality has seeped into the game

[astuce999]

No one is trying to drive the server into the ground lol, quit being so dramatic. The point is that complaining the server is too crowded because you can't go to the camps that drop some of the more valuable items and easily camp them whenever you want isn't a legitimate complaint.

If you were to say something along the lines of "the server is so freaking crowded that I'm in South Karana and I can barely find any mobs to kill whatsoever" then that would be a more valid argument.

But essentially saying things like "omg this item that's like BIS for my class is frequently camped and I can't easily get it without waiting my turn" or "Omg HHK, Guk, CB, and Unrest are always so crowded that I have to wait for groups and I want to be able to play in the highest ZEM zones possible and not go anywhere else for EXP" aren't really legitimate arguments for why the server's population is too high lol

Not even close. Lots of people have explained what Teal was like, even in this thread, and as usual, you and all your kind reduce it to a pixel-lust entitlement of some kind. You are projecting your values and believing it's our motives. We're not min-maxers. We just wanted to enjoy the content, relive some old memories, and we had that on Teal. I didn't even try once to get some sort of BiS or legacy item, and after the first week of Teal I didn't zone in any of the high ZEM zones you mentioned.

But again, like a lot of people in the thread have mentioned, I made a ton of new friends, found some old friends, and had so much fun on this amazing re-creation of classic eq. I donated a ton of cash to the project. And then Teal was gone, and green fucking sucks.

cheers,

Astuce

[LegendZapp]

Merge was an ill-conceived decision and it's really made the server less fun to play on. It's much harder to find groups or cash camps, and there was no problem finding groups before. Lists are borderline impossible to do solo now. It was just a terrible decision. What's done is done and we have to live with it, but it doesn't mean it was anything except an awful call by staff.

[Silverfalcon]

My point was more .... and it wasn't just for you ... this place is big on arguing. As others have pointed out, we've already got plenty of threads full of merger-related arguments.

If this thread is "about" anything, it's about listening to your fellow players, trying to understand them and what's fun (or not) for them, and how something like two servers vs. one impacts that. It's not about convincing anyone else that your way of fun is right.

Or at least that's what I see the thread being about, and I've loved when people have responded genuinely and honestly (on either "side") about their fun, instead of getting bent out of shape over someone else's.

I get that what individuals think is fun is up to each individual. As I said I just get tired of people saying...it was so much worse population in actual classic.

What was fun for me was having the ability to more less do the things I wanted to do without having to worry about: All your camps belong to 50s syndrome going on now in green. At least that is how it feels to me now since the merge.

[Silverfalcon]

Agreed. It's actually kind of interesting because it sort of shows how the modern MMO "I want it and I want it now" mentality has seeped into the game

No what it means is very simple: I have limited time to play and I'd like to actually enjoy the game content. I don't want to run around for over half the time I have to play in an effort to find some 3rd rate backwater zone and pretend to be happy about it. I'm about as old school as they come. I was playing LoK before UO or EQ ever came out so don't give me this crap about the modern MMO mentality.

[Tecmos Deception]

No what it means is very simple: I have limited time to play and I'd like to actually enjoy the game content. I don't want to run around for over half the time I have to play in an effort to find some 3rd rate backwater zone and pretend to be happy about it. I'm about as old school as they come. I was playing LoK before UO or EQ ever came out so don't give me this crap about the modern MMO mentality.

More and more people wanting to enjoy the game on their terms in limited playtime is what led to modern MMOs, their instancing and difficulty tiers and group matching cross realms and balance, etc.

P99 wasn't made for someone wanting that stuff. Adjust your expectations or find a different game/emu server.

[cd288]

Not even close. Lots of people have explained what Teal was like, even in this thread, and as usual, you and all your kind reduce it to a pixel-lust entitlement of some kind. You are projecting your values and believing it's our motives. We're not min-maxers. We just wanted to enjoy the content, relive some old memories, and we had that on Teal. I didn't even try once to get some sort of BiS or legacy item, and after the first week of Teal I didn't zone in any of the high ZEM zones you mentioned.

But again, like a lot of people in the thread have mentioned, I made a ton of new friends, found some old friends, and had so much fun on this amazing re-creation of classic eq. I donated a ton of cash to the project. And then Teal was gone, and green fucking sucks.

cheers,

Astuce

So then what could your issues possibly be with the merge? If you’re not going after bis items or trying to play in the very popular high ZEM zones then there’s literally no issue. None of the other zones are over crowded and I challenge you to find one that is. I’ve spent the last few levels in the Karanas and have had zero issues and have barely seen a soul except when I go out of my way to try and set up a duo or trio. Before that I was in Oasis and didn’t have a single issue either.

You say “muh merge is bad” yet can’t articulate why

[shovelquest]

Voted 1 because I like pain

[Silverfalcon]

More and more people wanting to enjoy the game on their terms in limited playtime is what led to modern MMOs, their instancing and difficulty tiers and group matching cross realms and balance, etc.

P99 wasn't made for someone wanting that stuff. Adjust your expectations or find a different game/emu server.

You know it's pretty elitist of you to say such things. Hey if you don't play the game the way I think it should be played hit the road and get out of here. Why is it such a bad thing to you or anyone else if there was Teal and Green instead of a merged Green? Why is that such a threat to you? Why do you think it is bad that people actually enjoy playing the game on their terms versus your dictatorial viewpoints on how the game should be played?

[Tecmos Deception]

You know it's pretty elitist of you to say such things. Hey if you don't play the game the way I think it should be played hit the road and get out of here. Why is it such a bad thing to you or anyone else if there was Teal and Green instead of a merged Green? Why is that such a threat to you? Why do you think it is bad that people actually enjoy playing the game on their terms versus your dictatorial viewpoints on how the game should be played?

You just don't get it. It's not about what I want or what you want.

[shovelquest]

You know it's pretty elitist of you to say such things. Hey if you don't play the game the way I think it should be played hit the road and get out of here.

You know, walking into a club designed for a select demographic and saying "this club is elitist it should cater to everyone!"

Is being kind of an arse you know? :o

[Smellybuttface]

You know, walking into a club designed for a select demographic and saying "this club is elitist it should cater to everyone!"

Is being kind of an arse you know? :o

To be fair, the thread simply states "Was two servers more fun than one." Silver thinks yes, he preferred Teal over Green, and that's fine. Belaboring the point as to why he should enjoy Green now that it's merged is outside the scope of this thread, and doesn't really accomplish anything. It's a completely subjective question. This was never about which is more "Classic."

[larsbars]

I stopped playing after merge. Still check the forums here and there.

[cd288]

You know it's pretty elitist of you to say such things. Hey if you don't play the game the way I think it should be played hit the road and get out of here. Why is it such a bad thing to you or anyone else if there was Teal and Green instead of a merged Green? Why is that such a threat to you? Why do you think it is bad that people actually enjoy playing the game on their terms versus your dictatorial viewpoints on how the game should be played?

I’m honestly really confused why you’re here complaining. There’s literally tons of servers where you could play the game the way you seem to want. There are the TLPs, there are other private emulated servers. If playing the game the way you want is so important, then why don’t you play on those? Why play on P99 and then complain about it when you could play on another server that allows you to play the game the way you want?

It’s like liking Coke instead of Pepsi, knowing restaurant A sells Coke and restaurant B sells Pepsi, and going to restaurant B and complaining they don’t have Coke lol

[Swish]

Maybe they'll relaunch teal at classic if the server peaks too high again at Kunark?

Maybe they'll launch pvp teams....

[astuce999]

I’m honestly really confused why you’re here complaining. There’s literally tons of servers where you could play the game the way you seem to want. There are the TLPs, there are other private emulated servers. If playing the game the way you want is so important, then why don’t you play on those? Why play on P99 and then complain about it when you could play on another server that allows you to play the game the way you want?

It’s like liking Coke instead of Pepsi, knowing restaurant A sells Coke and restaurant B sells Pepsi, and going to restaurant B and complaining they don’t have Coke lol

I don't think you're 'honestly' anything. There was a server that allowed us to play the way we wanted and it was Teal. It didn't allow boxing and it had a reasonable population for a 2020 crowd.

Shouldn't you be lobbying for boxing on p99 green so that it can be even more crowded? Classic servers allowed boxing and routinely had 2k+ population, so there's room to grow right? If you're unhappy about boxing being classic, why don't you go play on another server that allows you to play the game the way you want?

cheers,

Astuce

[Swish]

Classic servers allowed boxing and routinely had 2k+ population

Boxing was less prevalent because people either didn't have 2 PCs set up in 1999, didn't want to pay $9.89 x2 per month... or both. I think it was only Kunark when I actually noticed anyone boxing at all.

Also at any point where the servers were getting towards 2200-2400 Verant began splitting servers. The main culprit with high pop was always Fennin Ro, which I'm sure they had to split more than once.

Launching new servers helped. But this "routinely 2k+" wasn't something they wanted (whether it was server issues with too many people or gaming quality being affected).

[astuce999]

Boxing was less prevalent because people either didn't have 2 PCs set up in 1999, didn't want to pay $9.89 x2 per month... or both. I think it was only Kunark when I actually noticed anyone boxing at all.

Are you saying that even though something was classic, because it was in 1999 and the context was different it shouldn't be reproduced on a classic server in 2020?

It's an interesting point of view.

cheers,

Astuce

[RockL]

As a casual gamer who started on teal cause we got here late thinking we would have more time in classic on teal. I felt like I had more of a shot at getting at least a DE mask. Now on green no chance. So yeah 2 servers was much more fun. Not to mention none of us were from blue so we did not know about poop sockers on p99 etc

[cd288]

I don't think you're 'honestly' anything. There was a server that allowed us to play the way we wanted and it was Teal. It didn't allow boxing and it had a reasonable population for a 2020 crowd.

Shouldn't you be lobbying for boxing on p99 green so that it can be even more crowded? Classic servers allowed boxing and routinely had 2k+ population, so there's room to grow right? If you're unhappy about boxing being classic, why don't you go play on another server that allows you to play the game the way you want?

cheers,

Astuce

Lol what on earth are you even talking about?

I notice you didn’t reply to my earlier post asking you to cite problems post-merge other than inability to easily camp bis (or nearly bis) loot and inability to min/max your exp by only playing in the high ZEM zones.

If you have issues with the merge other than those definitely list them. Are you telling me every zone is too crowded? What are you issues post-merge? I’m waiting.

[Tethler]

Had fun before merge and am having fun after the merge. For me personally though, pre-merge was more fun/better.

[Swish]

Are you saying that even though something was classic, because it was in 1999 and the context was different it shouldn't be reproduced on a classic server in 2020?

Well it's not 1999 anymore, and we're not on dialup or looking things up on Everlore.

If you want a classic "feel", then there wasn't the kind of boxing you'd see here if they let it happen.

If you want a server with 3-boxing enabled, consider The Al`Kabor Project (https://www.takproject.net/)

[astuce999]

Well it's not 1999 anymore, and we're not on dialup or looking things up on Everlore.

If you want a classic "feel", then there wasn't the kind of boxing you'd see here if they let it happen.

If you want a server with 3-boxing enabled, consider The Al`Kabor Project (https://www.takproject.net/)

I completely agree with you on boxing. My point is that the same arguments apply to a large population.

Literally: If you want a classic "feel", then there wasn't the kind of large population you'd see here if they let if happen.

The kind of server I wanted was Teal. There is no replacement to consider right now.

cheers,

Astuce

[cd288]

I completely agree with you on boxing. My point is that the same arguments apply to a large population.

Literally: If you want a classic "feel", then there wasn't the kind of large population you'd see here if they let if happen.

The kind of server I wanted was Teal. There is no replacement to consider right now.

cheers,

Astuce

Byeeeeeeee

[Rang]

Teal will always be remembered fondly. Once all the psychopaths (racist edgelords of odus and 10 year veteran neckbeard stay at home sons seal team) declared for green it paved the way for teal to become this really chill server with a great vibe. Completely lost interest post merge. Blue or even red for that matter seem more compelling servers at this point

[Silverfalcon]

I’m honestly really confused why you’re here complaining. There’s literally tons of servers where you could play the game the way you seem to want. There are the TLPs, there are other private emulated servers. If playing the game the way you want is so important, then why don’t you play on those? Why play on P99 and then complain about it when you could play on another server that allows you to play the game the way you want?

It’s like liking Coke instead of Pepsi, knowing restaurant A sells Coke and restaurant B sells Pepsi, and going to restaurant B and complaining they don’t have Coke lol

Are you tone deaf? Illiterate or what? Have comprehension problems or what?

YOU are the one that seems to want to force everyone to play the way you envision things not me. Your signature comment says it all....Bye. That's really a pretty immature way to look at things.

Let's be honest. Why exactly would anyone want to recreate something if they didn't want people to actually play it? That's a really good question to ask yourself sometime. I'm just asking a question. Do you want green to fizzle out and become like blue with half the population that green currently has? Is that your grand idea of magically recreating the EQ 1999 experience?

Three servers at this moment in time. Red has 16, Blue has 303, and green has 685. So with three servers two of them together don't even make up half of one server. Is that a good utilization of resources to you? Again I ask....why is there even a red server at this moment in time? Why not drop it and bring back teal? If the powers that be only have control over 3 servers....why would they want such skewed populations across them? That's not really good server load management.

Again going by the votes from this post it's 5 to 1 people had more fun pre-merge than post merge. Isn't that the actual point of any game is to have fun? Not pushing some cult like idea of how the game used to be 20 years ago.

Do you really want to say bye to everyone who just want things to be the way they were? Not really a great method to building a community.

[knucklehairs]

Is it possible to split the server and merge one zone for auctions?

[Swish]

Completely lost interest post merge. Blue or even red for that matter seem more compelling servers at this point

Don't use the best server as ammunition for your argument about teal's demise.

[Tecmos Deception]

I completely agree with you on boxing. My point is that the same arguments apply to a large population.

Literally: If you want a classic "feel", then there wasn't the kind of large population you'd see here if they let if happen.

Your claim has already been debunked in this very thread: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3081747&postcount=84

We have a smaller population here than most or all of the live servers did in the classic era.


I admit the possibility that green players have leveled more quickly or have chosen to cluster in a limited number of zones, while live players leveled more slowly and chose to spread out. But of course none of you people trying to argue that we should have 2+ servers instead of 1 have bothered to look for evidence of that. You seem content to run in circles with your arguments, or make arguments that you surely already know aren't going to sway the staff here, etc.

If you want to convince rogean/nilbog that we need multiple servers for our current population, then your best bet is to provide proof that classic players leveled more slowly and preferred a wider range of zones so that even though live servers often had MUCH larger populations (and at best, for the smallest live servers, had similar populations) to green, the world wouldn't have "felt" as crowded. And then make the argument that we should have multiple servers so recreate that "feel." I don't think that's going to fly, especially since the release of planes will relieve some of the problems at 50, and because once Kunark hits the argument will hold even less water, but still, that's probably your best bet.

[Asteria]

100% had more fun before merge.


I've been trying to sum up my personal feelings in a colloquial manner and the best I can do is..... Imagine you are a kid playing board games one night with your family. Everyone is relaxed - laughing and having a good time and picking on each other in a loving way.

The next day, a car accident happens. Your parents are now dead. You didn't see it coming.

You now live at your Uncle Jerry's house, who is rumored to be a pedophile. Uncle Jerry insists the rumors are not true.. but you don't like the idea of getting poked in the butt so you and your siblings move very cautiously around the house. Everyone is on edge and the laughter is gone. You miss home.

:confused::confused:

I'm lost here :( Did all your pre-merge friends die/quit playing forever and all the new people u run into are tryin ta poke u in the butt?? :(

[Tecmos Deception]

:confused::confused:

I'm lost here :( Did all your pre-merge friends die/quit playing forever and all the new people u run into are tryin ta poke u in the butt?? :(

Yeah. Mrs. Vowels's analogy isn't quite spot on. Lol.

[Asteria]

Red was a great place to quarantine the toxic players for a while, but after a million "consider red" posts they moved on to lobby for teal&green to be combined so that it could create that toxic recipe they love so much, and they've been having a ton of fun burning the place down since the merge.

They hope that once green is mostly dead Rogean will do Red 2.0 so that they can burn that one down as well.

Boxing was classic, and high populations on vanilla content was classic; neither should be true on a 2020 emulation server for it to prosper, for pretty much the same reasons.

cheers,

Astuce

Can you please explain how they are immolating servers down? :confused:

[Tecmos Deception]

Some folks are just exaggerating to make themselves feel better about their opinion on the matter in the face of criticism, imo.

I voted same fun either way. I enjoy the crowded, busy feeling of the world with 1 server; this feels more like what I remember of live eq (groups leveling in all sorts of zones, and many zones having multiple groups, primarily). I made plat and farmed gear for alts and found my preferred exp spots open more often with 2 servers. I'm happy to fully enjoy p99 regardless of what the staff decide to do with it. If I knew how to, I'd even dig for info from classic era that would support the argument for multiple servers here.

[cd288]

Are you tone deaf? Illiterate or what? Have comprehension problems or what?

YOU are the one that seems to want to force everyone to play the way you envision things not me. Your signature comment says it all....Bye. That's really a pretty immature way to look at things.

Let's be honest. Why exactly would anyone want to recreate something if they didn't want people to actually play it? That's a really good question to ask yourself sometime. I'm just asking a question. Do you want green to fizzle out and become like blue with half the population that green currently has? Is that your grand idea of magically recreating the EQ 1999 experience?

Three servers at this moment in time. Red has 16, Blue has 303, and green has 685. So with three servers two of them together don't even make up half of one server. Is that a good utilization of resources to you? Again I ask....why is there even a red server at this moment in time? Why not drop it and bring back teal? If the powers that be only have control over 3 servers....why would they want such skewed populations across them? That's not really good server load management.

Again going by the votes from this post it's 5 to 1 people had more fun pre-merge than post merge. Isn't that the actual point of any game is to have fun? Not pushing some cult like idea of how the game used to be 20 years ago.

Do you really want to say bye to everyone who just want things to be the way they were? Not really a great method to building a community.

Nilbog has apparently said in the past that he doesn’t care if like everyone leaves the server. He’s here to create classic EQ. Not pay for multiple servers to essentially create instancing so you can farm valuable drops on your Shaman lol. Like I said, plenty of servers have what you’re looking for so I’m not sure why you would play on this one when it doesn’t.

[cd288]

Can you please explain how they are immolating servers down? :confused:

What’s really interesting to me is how they won’t explain this. Probably because their issues are wanting to farm valuable items and only EXP in high ZEM zones...and they know the minute they admit that then they lose all legitimacy.

[loramin]

Here's the thing though guys. You're all patting yourselves on the back for how you just "won" ... the same tired old argument ... by teaming up a bunch of experienced forum goers against a single (clear) newbie.

I'll be the first to agree he sucked at arguing. So congrats, you successfully picked on the new guy ... but what did you actually accomplish?

Meanwhile, 136 other people (and counting) all said they're having less fun ... are you going to argue all them into believing what you believe too?

[cd288]

Here's the thing though guys. You're all patting yourselves on the back for how you just "won" ... the same tired old argument ... by teaming up a bunch of experienced forum goers against a single (clear) newbie.

I'll be the first to agree he sucked at arguing. So congrats, you successfully picked on the new guy ... but what did you actually accomplish?

Meanwhile, 136 other people (and counting) all said they're having less fun ... are you going to argue all them into believing what you believe too?

....lol wut?

[Tecmos Deception]

Here's the thing though guys. You're all patting yourselves on the back for how you just "won" ... the same tired old argument ... by teaming up a bunch of experienced forum goers against a single (clear) newbie.

I'll be the first to agree he sucked at arguing. So congrats, you successfully picked on the new guy ... but what did you actually accomplish?

Meanwhile, 136 other people (and counting) all said they're having less fun ... are you going to argue all them into believing what you believe too?

You're missing the point as much as anyone, Lor. Nobody is saying "you should have as much fun on green as you did on teal." They're saying "stop arguing for the staff to change their project to cater to your interests with lies and exaggerations and personal wishes."

If someone went and found / count all data from classic era that showed we have 5x as many level 40-50s at this point as they did on live, found as little as a few anecdotes of people regularly grouping on live in zones like kerra isle and runnyeye and zones like uguk and highkeep only having 15-20 people in them, crap like that? I would support having green AND teal as a "more classic" option. But nobody even tries to do that because they want what they want and they don't care what anyone else thinks, even if it's the people who do all the work here and graciously let us tag along for the ride. They'd rather bitch and moan or do nothing than put any actual thought or effort into swaying the people in charge.

[loramin]

Nobody is saying "you should have as much fun on green as you did on teal." They're saying "stop arguing for the staff to change their project to cater to your interests with lies and exaggerations and personal wishes."

I disagree: they're saying both.

You and I have both been here a long time. We've seen MANY newcomers be confused about this place ... for instance wanting Luclin, or other things that will never happen.

Those newcomers are "fish in a barrell". They're easy to mock, because they're ignorant and wrong about most things.

But in our haste to "correct" the newbies, it doesn't stop at "this place is about classic, please respect that". It turns into a dogpile on those people when they express any idea, no matter how legitimate ... because again it's easy to do so.

If someone went and found / count all data from classic era ...

But this thread was NEVER about classic: y'all went and made it about that ;)

It was about fun, and if classic is fun for you, great! But the moment you push "classic" as the only thing anyone can even talk about, you're NOT just talking about your own fun, you're pushing your definition of it on others.

And that's exactly my point. No one can even say "I like or don't like ___" without a bunch of people dogpiling on them for it ... especially if there's anything wrong with their "argument", but even if there isn't (if they're just a crappy "forum warrior").

We already have umpteen million threads of "seasoned forum warriors" arguing over what is or isn't classic (re: Green/Teal or anything else): we truly didn't need one more argument over it. And those arguments aren't just harmless: their cost is that they prevent any of us from hearing a whole lot of voices ... exactly the voices I was trying to let be heard in this poll.

So ultimately what I'm saying is, when you shout others down ... when you "forum warrior" them in to wishing they'd never said anything ... you silence them and anyone reading who might have thought of posting. A healthy amount of that happens here: it's certainly not all bad. But maybe it's not all good either, and maybe it's worth occasionally hearing from the people who aren't seasoned forum warriors?

[astuce999]

Can you please explain how they are immolating servers down? :confused:

They create an atmosphere and context where only the min-maxing/neckbeard mentality can thrive. Anyone who dares to propose an alternate approach to playing EQ is flamed/trolled/rules-lawyered.

They see EQ as a King-of-the-Hill game; it's only fun if they're on top and keeping other people down.

We like to play EQ for the content, and we feel that p99's classic EQ is an amazing recreation of that content, unmatched anywhere. We feel that classic EQ was already time-consuming enough in the way it was designed, and on a fresh server with no twinks it was actually a lot of fun to tackle on that level-appropriate content on Teal.

Most of the trolls on this thread (and threads like this) who keep talking about going off the beaten path and creating your own groups and how they went to so-and-so zone and had no issue are all hypocrites who already have at least 1 minmax toon guised/manastoned/fullrubied.

On Teal's last night, it was a Saturday night and I was in a full group in the CY in Mistmoore. There were other groups camping CE, GY and the pond. 2-3 people were at the zone in with the lfg tag up. It was close to 30 people in zone total (or completely dead and in dire need of a merge according to the forum trolls).

Over the course of almost 3 hours (I was lucky the wife was out of town and had a lot of time to play), we were killing and having conversations and laughing, we also had a ranger so lots of ranger jokes, and we were able to get lucky and get some of the nameds. We killed Dhamph 2-3 times, Lasna once, Xicotl once (single pulled with a charmed garg taking the HT, it was beautiful), and Garton once too. An HBC and a diamondine earring dropped. The ranger got the earring, and one of the druids won the cloak. I walked away with less than a yellow of xp (lvl 40 hell and bard) and zero loot.

It was probably the most fun I had on EQ in years, and I remember telling the group how much I loved Teal and how perfect it was and how much that group was fun and how they were all on my friend list now and how I couldn't wait to play again.

So the next day Teal was gone. When I logged into MM, there were only a dozen people in zone. There was a trio at pond, a duo at GY, a lvl 50 mage camping dhamp, a lvl 50 chanter camping lasna/xicotl, a lvl 49 necro camping princess, and 2-3 other people /anon not responding to CC's or /tells.

I logged off and haven't logged back in since that day. I keep lurking the forums and I see the steady decline in population since the merge... like a fire slowly but surely consuming itself and becoming less and less bright.

I know it's going to be near-impossible for a min-maxer to understand how someone can have fun without winning any pixels, and then will jump at the chance to point out that when the pixels were no longer available to win I didn't want to play anymore so it must have been only about the pixels...

(this is already too long, sorry)

cheers,

Astuce

[Zeboim]

I had a lot more fun before the merge. Walking into exp camps without a line, lists seeming reasonable, dragon pops not being giant clusterfucks of trains...

But my stages of mourning have progressed to acceptance that its never coming back.

[loramin]

Astuce99, you're making huge assumptions about "the other side". You're villainizing them, which makes it easy to turn your brain off (because "they're bad people and they're wrong because they're bad", so you don't have to think about their position).

But 24 people said post-merge was more fun for them: those people are not wrong.

They're also not all villains. McCoy is one of them, and he's the guy who gets his jollies off by rezzing strangers for free: there is not a nicer person on this server.

Maybe, just in this one thread, could we all try listening more, and imagining "the other side" as evil less?

[astuce999]

Astuce99, you're making huge assumptions about "the other side". You're villainizing them, which makes it easy to turn your brain off (because "they're bad people and they're wrong because they're bad", so you don't have to think about their position).

But 24 people said post-merge was more fun for them: those people are not wrong.

They're also not all villains. McCoy is one of them, and he's the guy who gets his jollies off by rezzing strangers for free: there is not a nicer person on this server.

Maybe, just in this one thread, could we all try listening more, and imagining the other side as evil less?

You're absolutely right, I am hyperbolic in my interpretation of their position. It is a tit-for-tat approach to match the "oh you guys only want ez pixels wah wah" that they project on us. For your sake, I will stop after this post.

I am absolutely certain that there are a lot of nice people on green right now. I mean, not everyone from Teal quit already, right? :)

Rome didn't burn down in one night.

cheers,

Astuce

[cd288]

They create an atmosphere and context where only the min-maxing/neckbeard mentality can thrive. Anyone who dares to propose an alternate approach to playing EQ is flamed/trolled/rules-lawyered.

They see EQ as a King-of-the-Hill game; it's only fun if they're on top and keeping other people down.

We like to play EQ for the content, and we feel that p99's classic EQ is an amazing recreation of that content, unmatched anywhere. We feel that classic EQ was already time-consuming enough in the way it was designed, and on a fresh server with no twinks it was actually a lot of fun to tackle on that level-appropriate content on Teal.

Most of the trolls on this thread (and threads like this) who keep talking about going off the beaten path and creating your own groups and how they went to so-and-so zone and had no issue are all hypocrites who already have at least 1 minmax toon guised/manastoned/fullrubied.

On Teal's last night, it was a Saturday night and I was in a full group in the CY in Mistmoore. There were other groups camping CE, GY and the pond. 2-3 people were at the zone in with the lfg tag up. It was close to 30 people in zone total (or completely dead and in dire need of a merge according to the forum trolls).

Over the course of almost 3 hours (I was lucky the wife was out of town and had a lot of time to play), we were killing and having conversations and laughing, we also had a ranger so lots of ranger jokes, and we were able to get lucky and get some of the nameds. We killed Dhamph 2-3 times, Lasna once, Xicotl once (single pulled with a charmed garg taking the HT, it was beautiful), and Garton once too. An HBC and a diamondine earring dropped. The ranger got the earring, and one of the druids won the cloak. I walked away with less than a yellow of xp (lvl 40 hell and bard) and zero loot.

It was probably the most fun I had on EQ in years, and I remember telling the group how much I loved Teal and how perfect it was and how much that group was fun and how they were all on my friend list now and how I couldn't wait to play again.

So the next day Teal was gone. When I logged into MM, there were only a dozen people in zone. There was a trio at pond, a duo at GY, a lvl 50 mage camping dhamp, a lvl 50 chanter camping lasna/xicotl, a lvl 49 necro camping princess, and 2-3 other people /anon not responding to CC's or /tells.

I logged off and haven't logged back in since that day. I keep lurking the forums and I see the steady decline in population since the merge... like a fire slowly but surely consuming itself and becoming less and less bright.

I know it's going to be near-impossible for a min-maxer to understand how someone can have fun without winning any pixels, and then will jump at the chance to point out that when the pixels were no longer available to win I didn't want to play anymore so it must have been only about the pixels...

(this is already too long, sorry)

cheers,

Astuce

Well that's totally unfair to say that about people who talk about going off the beaten path. If you want, I can meet you in game and show you my characters on Green. I have a Rogue in the 30s, an Enchanter in the low 20s, and a Wizard who is level 11. So no, I don't cite going off the beaten path because I have been camping legacy items (Manastone and Guise are just pointless items) and millions of plat already. I cite it because there's plenty of places to go and have fun if certain specific zones are crowded.

I'm also not sure what the no twinks has to do with anything. Both servers had no twinks. As an aside, everyone knows so much about the mechanics now that I've been in full groups of untwinked characters chain pulling reds and yellows so lack of twinkage didn't stop that...but anyway that's a separate topic not really relevant.

As for the "steady decline since the merge", the server has been roughly between 1.1k-1.3k at prime time since the merge. It goes up and down in that range depending on the day of course, but there's hardly been a "steady decline".

From the rest of your comment, I guess I'm now slightly unsure of what your overall point is. So at first you say that the merge has created a min/max server (I presume the argument there is that because it's more crowded now in certain zones that only people who have tons of time to play and dedicate to the game can have fun and it's impossible to log on and find a group, etc.). But then you go on to say that you haven't logged in since merge day because Mistmoore was too empty now that the server is bigger? Sort of two opposite ends of the spectrum so I'm still struggling to understand what your specific concern is with the merge (I'd also add that I have rarely seen Mistmoore not packed since the merge, maybe it had to do with the time of day you logged on?).

[loramin]

Well that's totally unfair to say that about people who talk about going off the beaten path. If you want, I can meet you in game and show you my characters on Green. I have a Rogue in the 30s, an Enchanter in the low 20s, and a Wizard who is level 11. So no, I don't cite going off the beaten path because I have been camping legacy items (Manastone and Guise are just pointless items) and millions of plat already. I cite it because there's plenty of places to go and have fun if certain specific zones are crowded.

I'm also not sure what the no twinks has to do with anything. Both servers had no twinks. As an aside, everyone knows so much about the mechanics now that I've been in full groups of untwinked characters chain pulling reds and yellows so lack of twinkage didn't stop that...but anyway that's a separate topic not really relevant.

As for the "steady decline since the merge", the server has been roughly between 1.1k-1.3k at prime time since the merge. It goes up and down in that range depending on the day of course, but there's hardly been a "steady decline".

From the rest of your comment, I guess I'm now slightly unsure of what your overall point is. So at first you say that the merge has created a min/max server (I presume the argument there is that because it's more crowded now in certain zones that only people who have tons of time to play and dedicate to the game can have fun and it's impossible to log on and find a group, etc.). But then you go on to say that you haven't logged in since merge day because Mistmoore was too empty now that the server is bigger? Sort of two opposite ends of the spectrum so I'm still struggling to understand what your specific concern is with the merge (I'd also add that I have rarely seen Mistmoore not packed since the merge, maybe it had to do with the time of day you logged on?).

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[cd288]

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Sorry dude. Wasn’t aware I was bothering you by trying to figure out what the guy’s point is since he seems so adamantly anti-merge. If it annoys you so much, don’t read the comments.

[loramin]

Sorry dude. Wasn’t aware I was bothering you by trying to figure out what the guy’s point is since he seems so adamantly anti-merge. If it annoys you so much, don’t read the comments.

You're not "annoying me so much"; I was just trying to get you to use your brain instead of operating on autopilot:

Well that's totally unfair to say that about people who talk about going off the beaten path. If you want, I can meet you in game and show you my characters on Green. I have a Rogue in the 30s, an Enchanter in the low 20s, and a Wizard who is level 11. So no, I don't cite going off the beaten path because I have been camping legacy items (Manastone and Guise are just pointless items) and millions of plat already. I cite it because there's plenty of places to go and have fun if certain specific zones are crowded.

I'm also not sure what the no twinks has to do with anything. Both servers had no twinks. As an aside, everyone knows so much about the mechanics now that I've been in full groups of untwinked characters chain pulling reds and yellows so lack of twinkage didn't stop that...but anyway that's a separate topic not really relevant.

As for the "steady decline since the merge", the server has been roughly between 1.1k-1.3k at prime time since the merge. It goes up and down in that range depending on the day of course, but there's hardly been a "steady decline".

From the rest of your comment, I guess I'm now slightly unsure of what your overall point is. So at first you say that the merge has created a min/max server (I presume the argument there is that because it's more crowded now in certain zones that only people who have tons of time to play and dedicate to the game can have fun and it's impossible to log on and find a group, etc.). But then you go on to say that you haven't logged in since merge day because Mistmoore was too empty now that the server is bigger? Sort of two opposite ends of the spectrum so I'm still struggling to understand what your specific concern is with the merge (I'd also add that I have rarely seen Mistmoore not packed since the merge, maybe it had to do with the time of day you logged on?).

Now that you've thoroughly "slain" the newbie with your "cleverness" ... did that accomplish anything? Do you feel better about yourself as a person for having made that post? Did you educate anyone? Enlighten them, or make them feel more upbeat?

Or were you just beating a dead horse on autopilot? I was trying to make you think about that, and not just react with blind rage to anyone who disagrees with your truth.

[cd288]

You're not "annoying me so much"; I was just trying to get you to use your brain instead of operating on autopilot:



Now that you've thoroughly "slain" the newbie with your "cleverness" ... did that accomplish anything? Do you feel better about yourself as a person for having made that post? Did you educate anyone? Enlighten them, or make them feel more upbeat?

Or were you just beating a dead horse on autopilot? I was trying to make you think about that, and not just react with blind rage to anyone who disagrees with your truth.

Lol no one is trying to “slay” anyone here. If you don’t like people having discussions then don’t come to a discussion forum.

But I’m quaking in my boots now that you brought out your bold and italics. Oh shit!

[loramin]

Lol no one is trying to “slay” anyone here. If you don’t like people having discussions then don’t come to a discussion forum.

But I’m quaking in my boots now that you brought out your bold and italics. Oh shit!

Let's call a spade a spade: were you really "having a discussion" there? Really?

A discussion, by definition, requires that both sides listen to the other. You were having an argument, and at the end there you were literally having it by yourself: it was just you being angry after the person you were arguing with left.

[cd288]

Let's call a spade a spade: were you really "having a discussion" there? Really?

A discussion, by definition, requires that both sides listen to the other. You were having an argument, and at the end there you were literally having it by yourself: it was just you being angry after the person you were arguing with left.

I’m not angry whatsoever. I was honestly confused about what his issue was since as I mentioned in my last post his comments about things he’s concerned about seem to contradict each other.

Seems like the only angry person here might be you since you’re so frequently inserting yourself into discussion to essentially tell people to shut up.

[loramin]

Asking people to listen is a little different than telling them to shut up ... but yeah, that is what I'm doing.

But you still never answered my question: what was the point of your post? You convinced NO ONE with it. You educated NO ONE. You made NO ONE feel better, or happier, or more positive in any way. As far as I can tell, it didn't even bring you any joy.

So then WHY did you make it? I'm not telling you to shut up, I'm just asking you to use your brain and consider why you did something.

[cd288]

Asking people to listen is a little different than telling them to shut up ... but yeah, that is what I'm doing.

But you still never answered my question: what was the point of your post? You convinced NO ONE with it. You educated NO ONE. You made NO ONE feel better, or happier, or more positive in any way. As far as I can tell, it didn't even bring you any joy.

So then WHY did you make it? I'm not telling you to shut up, I'm just asking you to use your brain and consider why you did something.

Lol why on earth do you care so much

[loramin]

To me, that sounds like you're asking (in your "answering my question with another question to avoid admitting what I'm trying to get you to admit" response) ... "why are you bothering to listen to and engage with this person who seems to have no interest in listening to or engaging with anyone else?"

And I'd answer that with: "because you're smart and I often respect what you write, so I genuinely believe you are capable of better."

We can all be bad at listening sometimes, and this forum truly amplifies it, which is why I have to fight just to have one thread out of eight trillion where people actually listen to each other instead of talking at/past each other.

[Ravager]

Kudos Loramin for Bush option.

[Asteria]

They create an atmosphere and context where only the min-maxing/neckbeard mentality can thrive. Anyone who dares to propose an alternate approach to playing EQ is flamed/trolled/rules-lawyered.

They see EQ as a King-of-the-Hill game; it's only fun if they're on top and keeping other people down.

We like to play EQ for the content, and we feel that p99's classic EQ is an amazing recreation of that content, unmatched anywhere. We feel that classic EQ was already time-consuming enough in the way it was designed, and on a fresh server with no twinks it was actually a lot of fun to tackle on that level-appropriate content on Teal.

Most of the trolls on this thread (and threads like this) who keep talking about going off the beaten path and creating your own groups and how they went to so-and-so zone and had no issue are all hypocrites who already have at least 1 minmax toon guised/manastoned/fullrubied.

On Teal's last night, it was a Saturday night and I was in a full group in the CY in Mistmoore. There were other groups camping CE, GY and the pond. 2-3 people were at the zone in with the lfg tag up. It was close to 30 people in zone total (or completely dead and in dire need of a merge according to the forum trolls).

Over the course of almost 3 hours (I was lucky the wife was out of town and had a lot of time to play), we were killing and having conversations and laughing, we also had a ranger so lots of ranger jokes, and we were able to get lucky and get some of the nameds. We killed Dhamph 2-3 times, Lasna once, Xicotl once (single pulled with a charmed garg taking the HT, it was beautiful), and Garton once too. An HBC and a diamondine earring dropped. The ranger got the earring, and one of the druids won the cloak. I walked away with less than a yellow of xp (lvl 40 hell and bard) and zero loot.

It was probably the most fun I had on EQ in years, and I remember telling the group how much I loved Teal and how perfect it was and how much that group was fun and how they were all on my friend list now and how I couldn't wait to play again.

So the next day Teal was gone. When I logged into MM, there were only a dozen people in zone. There was a trio at pond, a duo at GY, a lvl 50 mage camping dhamp, a lvl 50 chanter camping lasna/xicotl, a lvl 49 necro camping princess, and 2-3 other people /anon not responding to CC's or /tells.

I logged off and haven't logged back in since that day. I keep lurking the forums and I see the steady decline in population since the merge... like a fire slowly but surely consuming itself and becoming less and less bright.

I know it's going to be near-impossible for a min-maxer to understand how someone can have fun without winning any pixels, and then will jump at the chance to point out that when the pixels were no longer available to win I didn't want to play anymore so it must have been only about the pixels...

(this is already too long, sorry)

cheers,

Astuce

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I can now see your point of view and understand it a lot more. :) You're definitely going to run into more min/max crowd and high level people soloing/duoing cash camps more than you did pre-merge.

That said, I think all the decent/good people whom aren't having nearly as much or ANY fun post-merge should come back (only if they quit playing of course) and play after Kunark release to get a much better chance at camping their favourite dungeons and item camps like they did pre-merge Green/Teal99. I can easily say this because I know there are lots of players whom want to actually loot most of their upgrades and not have to buy very many or any in Tunnelquest, even though EC tunnel has always been a huge deal in EQ.

Personally, I stopped playing a little before the merge because I was mostly playing with a good friend and then we stopped playing shortly before the merge. It can be difficult for me to make new friends often or I'm just being lazy about it or uninterested in classic EQ sans already-existing friends to play with. If I get the classic EQ itch again though, I'll probably try to make some friend(s) somewhere to play with or look for a fun guild that meshes w my personality. I just can't handle this type of game w/o at least 1 close friend or lover to play with.

I voted Towers because I'm not qualified to honestly answer the poll question.

[Natewest1987]

You're missing the point as much as anyone, Lor. Nobody is saying "you should have as much fun on green as you did on teal." They're saying "stop arguing for the staff to change their project to cater to your interests with lies and exaggerations and personal wishes."

If someone went and found / count all data from classic era that showed we have 5x as many level 40-50s at this point as they did on live, found as little as a few anecdotes of people regularly grouping on live in zones like kerra isle and runnyeye and zones like uguk and highkeep only having 15-20 people in them, crap like that? I would support having green AND teal as a "more classic" option. But nobody even tries to do that because they want what they want and they don't care what anyone else thinks, even if it's the people who do all the work here and graciously let us tag along for the ride. They'd rather bitch and moan or do nothing than put any actual thought or effort into swaying the people in charge.

Traveling to Kerra isle is one of my fondest memories as a kid in eq. Somehow I convinced others to go with me too, not sure how. Ran all the way from ec though

[Asteria]

Traveling to Kerra isle is one of my fondest memories as a kid in eq. Somehow I convinced others to go with me too, not sure how. Ran all the way from ec though

Sounds like a fun journey for sure with some friends when the 3D world was all so magical, big, and unknown to us. Thanks for sharing mate. :)

[Silverfalcon]

Nilbog has apparently said in the past that he doesn’t care if like everyone leaves the server. He’s here to create classic EQ. Not pay for multiple servers to essentially create instancing so you can farm valuable drops on your Shaman lol. Like I said, plenty of servers have what you’re looking for so I’m not sure why you would play on this one when it doesn’t.

Could you share the link where Nilbog states wanting to recreate classic EQ but doesn’t care if zero people play it.

[cd288]

Could you share the link where Nilbog states wanting to recreate classic EQ but doesn’t care if zero people play it.

Go look at Tecmos’s signature it has the quote right there

[Tecmos Deception]

Could you share the link where Nilbog states wanting to recreate classic EQ but doesn’t care if zero people play it.

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[Smellybuttface]

Go look at Tecmos’s signature it has the quote right there

It is a somewhat strange sentiment from Nilbog. It begs the question, why build it of no one wants to play it? Of course we know that people do want to play it, but even if no one did I wonder if Nilbog would change his tune, or whether he’d still go through the rigamarole of recreating “classic” regardless if he’s the only one that wants it.

[HandOfFate]

So, is this supposed to be fun?

PoFear consists of pet classes camping every single spawn location spamming /pet attack, or Bards AEing. When you do get a mob, every one in the zone shouts that they got FTE knowing that the GMs can't check them all.

Dragon raids are shite shows where everyone trains each other and cries to GMs about how the other guy did it. Then we spend 10 hours looking at video trying to lawyerquest pixels.

Fun > Classic

[cd288]

It is a somewhat strange sentiment from Nilbog. It begs the question, why build it of no one wants to play it? Of course we know that people do want to play it, but even if no one did I wonder if Nilbog would change his tune, or whether he’d still go through the rigamarole of recreating “classic” regardless if he’s the only one that wants it.

I mean, back when Blue launched wasn't it only a couple hundred people for a long time?

I think he does it because he enjoys doing it not because he wants people to necessarily play it

[Silverfalcon]

Go look at Tecmos’s signature it has the quote right there

Now this doesn't make sense to me. You've been saying all along that the high populations on servers is part of what classic EQ is. So, by that logic you would think you would want to keep players playing the game not telling them goodbye. If the server population dies down then by the same token the "Classic EQ" you so dearly claim to want will by default not be there.

By the same token that statement by Nilbog was about the actual in game mechanics of EQ it had nothing to do with him saying "I don't care if anyone plays my game or not". All he was saying is that if the in game mechanics of the game bothered people he was not worried about losing some of them because he was trying to faithfully recreate the EQ classic game. I didn't see anything in that statement about wanting to have a certain population on the server. Which by his statement of players leaving he doesn't seem to care if the server level is 37 (red server) or 1000 (green server) he just wants to recreate the actual game play. So from that viewpoint it shouldn't matter if Green and Teal were separate.

Essentially you can't have it both ways. Either server population is important to capture the classic EQ feel. Or it is not important and therefore people can leave and you don't get to recreate the classic EQ feel.

I standby my statement if having to many servers is the issue just drop red and add Teal back. You can funnel the players from red into blue. Both Teal and Green had more players than either Blue or Green. There is only 39 players on red atm. Is it better to loose 100s of players because of a merge or keep hundreds of players instead of a dead server?

[TripSin]

Now this doesn't make sense to me. You've been saying all along that the high populations on servers is part of what classic EQ is. So, by that logic you would think you would want to keep players playing the game not telling them goodbye. If the server population dies down then by the same token the "Classic EQ" you so dearly claim to want will by default not be there.

By the same token that statement by Nilbog was about the actual in game mechanics of EQ it had nothing to do with him saying "I don't care if anyone plays my game or not". All he was saying is that if the in game mechanics of the game bothered people he was not worried about losing some of them because he was trying to faithfully recreate the EQ classic game. I didn't see anything in that statement about wanting to have a certain population on the server. Which by his statement of players leaving he doesn't seem to care if the server level is 37 (red server) or 1000 (green server) he just wants to recreate the actual game play. So from that viewpoint it shouldn't matter if Green and Teal were separate.

Essentially you can't have it both ways. Either server population is important to capture the classic EQ feel. Or it is not important and therefore people can leave and you don't get to recreate the classic EQ feel.

I standby my statement if having to many servers is the issue just drop red and add Teal back. You can funnel the players from red into blue. Both Teal and Green had more players than either Blue or Green. There is only 39 players on red atm. Is it better to loose 100s of players because of a merge or keep hundreds of players instead of a dead server?

Population has been fine and stable post merger and the game is also more classic for it.

[Silverfalcon]

I mean, back when Blue launched wasn't it only a couple hundred people for a long time?

I think he does it because he enjoys doing it not because he wants people to necessarily play it

That's a lot of love for something for not caring if it is being used and enjoyed. I mean by it's definition a MMORPG is designed for group play. You cannot even do end content without multiple groups in the classic game. One group on green currently could not drop Vox or Naggy.

[Silverfalcon]

Your "argument", I hesitate to call it such because it's not very good, here is completely null. Population has been fine and stable post merger and the game is also more classic for it.

My point is...everyone has been saying the populations back in 1999 were much higher than what they are now currently on green. By definition that is not classic is it? If your whole argument is that having high population is part of classic EQ.

[Silverfalcon]

Population has been fine and stable post merger and the game is also more classic for it.

Also define fine and stable in relation to 1999 EQ server populations?

[cd288]

Now this doesn't make sense to me. You've been saying all along that the high populations on servers is part of what classic EQ is. So, by that logic you would think you would want to keep players playing the game not telling them goodbye. If the server population dies down then by the same token the "Classic EQ" you so dearly claim to want will by default not be there.

By the same token that statement by Nilbog was about the actual in game mechanics of EQ it had nothing to do with him saying "I don't care if anyone plays my game or not". All he was saying is that if the in game mechanics of the game bothered people he was not worried about losing some of them because he was trying to faithfully recreate the EQ classic game. I didn't see anything in that statement about wanting to have a certain population on the server. Which by his statement of players leaving he doesn't seem to care if the server level is 37 (red server) or 1000 (green server) he just wants to recreate the actual game play. So from that viewpoint it shouldn't matter if Green and Teal were separate.

Essentially you can't have it both ways. Either server population is important to capture the classic EQ feel. Or it is not important and therefore people can leave and you don't get to recreate the classic EQ feel.

I standby my statement if having to many servers is the issue just drop red and add Teal back. You can funnel the players from red into blue. Both Teal and Green had more players than either Blue or Green. There is only 39 players on red atm. Is it better to loose 100s of players because of a merge or keep hundreds of players instead of a dead server?

Er what? Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about wanting higher population because it’s more classic or anything like that. I cited the classic server populations just to point out that you’re whining about Green being crowded when it’s not even close to what classic servers were back in the day.

And I completely agree with Nilbog. I’d rather this server reflect classic EQ in its mechanics instead of pandering to people who essentially want instances (which is effectively what creating more servers is) so that they can easily farm their items and plat whenever they want. If you don’t like it and want everything handed to you, go play the EQ TLPs where you can have your own instance. Or play literally almost any other MMOs in the modern era that have instances.

This is the way it is on P99. Don’t like it? I guess it’s not for you. Thanks for giving it a try and good luck finding an MMO you enjoy.

[loramin]

Now this doesn't make sense to me. You've been saying all along that the high populations on servers is part of what classic EQ is. So, by that logic you would think you would want to keep players playing the game not telling them goodbye. If the server population dies down then by the same token the "Classic EQ" you so dearly claim to want will by default not be there.

By the same token that statement by Nilbog was about the actual in game mechanics of EQ it had nothing to do with him saying "I don't care if anyone plays my game or not". All he was saying is that if the in game mechanics of the game bothered people he was not worried about losing some of them because he was trying to faithfully recreate the EQ classic game. I didn't see anything in that statement about wanting to have a certain population on the server. Which by his statement of players leaving he doesn't seem to care if the server level is 37 (red server) or 1000 (green server) he just wants to recreate the actual game play. So from that viewpoint it shouldn't matter if Green and Teal were separate.

Essentially you can't have it both ways. Either server population is important to capture the classic EQ feel. Or it is not important and therefore people can leave and you don't get to recreate the classic EQ feel.

I standby my statement if having to many servers is the issue just drop red and add Teal back. You can funnel the players from red into blue. Both Teal and Green had more players than either Blue or Green. There is only 39 players on red atm. Is it better to loose 100s of players because of a merge or keep hundreds of players instead of a dead server?


That's a lot of love for something for not caring if it is being used and enjoyed. I mean by it's definition a MMORPG is designed for group play. You cannot even do end content without multiple groups in the classic game. One group on green currently could not drop Vox or Naggy.

My point is...everyone has been saying the populations back in 1999 were much higher than what they are now currently on green. By definition that is not classic is it? If your whole argument is that having high population is part of classic EQ.

Also define fine and stable in relation to 1999 EQ server populations?

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[TripSin]

Also define fine and stable in relation to 1999 EQ server populations?


Why do you need it defined for you? It should be self evident. But fine, let me spoon feed you and maybe you can wrap your mind around it with a few more words: The ~700 maximum concurrent players that p99 servers saw before the merger was much fewer than what live servers in 1999 saw. And it's stable because it's stable. There hasn't been a significant exodus of players since the merger and the concurrent peak player counts have remained about the same since the merger.

[cd288]

Why do you need it defined for you? It should be self evident. But fine, let me spoon feed you and maybe you can wrap your mind around it with a few more words: The ~700 maximum concurrent players that p99 servers saw before the merger was much fewer than what live servers in 1999 saw. And it's stable because it's stable. There hasn't been a significant exodus of players since the merger and the concurrent peak player counts have remained about the same since the merger.

Yeah what I've noticed is the anti-merge crowd seems to parrot this saying that we've been losing hundreds and hundred of players due to the merge, when the pop has been stable since it happened