Ruby BP /List Camp not being cleared.

[Atennu]

Multiple times i've received tells from others in Cazicthule they needed help killing spawns around AoF. How can multiple people on a list camp not be able to kill a mob, but still at the end be rewarded just for being there? If a PH or spawn cannot be killed within the time frame the server rules gives other camps, the list should become void.

[Rhambuk]

so someone joins the list at spot 9 and by the time they are at 2 the group as devolved into mostly melee and a few casters. no healers no cc. so they just fold? been there the entire time but meaningless, or oh theres a cleric in zone that sees they are struggling wait a little bit and bring in your own group now your #1.

the list system has been picked through over and over I think its pretty well settled on at this point

[Tecmos Deception]

so someone joins the list at spot 9 and by the time they are at 2 the group as devolved into mostly melee and a few casters. no healers no cc. so they just fold? been there the entire time but meaningless, or oh theres a cleric in zone that sees they are struggling wait a little bit and bring in your own group now your #1.

So someone is on a waiting list for an exp group at scryer in uguk, and by the time they get into the group the remaining members are unable to hold the camp down. So they just fold? Nah. Let's just give him free exp for hiding in a corner. Or better yet, let's tell a capable group that shows up and wants to claim scryer that they can't actually have it unless they first powerlevel the people who are there currently but unable to handle the camp on their own for a day or two.

Yeah. That'll be great. Both of those things are totally in keeping with classic mechanics AND the classic experience, right?!

Derp dee doo!!!

[firesyde424]

As opposed to letting one person or a group of people monopolize the camp for weeks on end?

[Tecmos Deception]

As opposed to letting one person or a group of people monopolize the camp for weeks on end?

False dichotomy. Go away.

[Atennu]

so someone joins the list at spot 9 and by the time they are at 2 the group as devolved into mostly melee and a few casters. no healers no cc. so they just fold? been there the entire time but meaningless, or oh theres a cleric in zone that sees they are struggling wait a little bit and bring in your own group now your #1.

the list system has been picked through over and over I think its pretty well settled on at this point

The /list should not be flooded with people who cannot hold the camp then. Per Rogean, these camps will NEVER be empty. Every combination of classes can duo this camp. At 35? Probably going to be pretty tough. I can't get behind the idea that allowing low levels to flood a camp and hold their spot because they were there deserve an item they would not be able to obtain in a small to full group.

[tommydgun]

Do you all not get tired of wasting your breath (or keystrokes)? Apparently not. How many more of the exact same thread must be made before you realize nothing is going to change until these items are removed from the game anyway very soon?

[Smellybuttface]

Do you all not get tired of wasting your breath (or keystrokes)? Apparently not. How many more of the exact same thread must be made before you realize nothing is going to change until these items are removed from the game anyway very soon?

Still a pretty long while till these/lists go away, and they’ll only be replaced by NEW /lists when Kunark comes out, so the issues aren’t going to be suddenly irrelevant.

[cd288]

Still a pretty long while till these/lists go away, and they’ll only be replaced by NEW /lists when Kunark comes out, so the issues aren’t going to be suddenly irrelevant.

What items we be /list for Kunark? I thought it was just for the classic legacy items

[Phaezed-Reality]

back in my day when we camped items,we made sure we could solo it or brought friends that would help me kill it.

[gnomishfirework]

The min level is too low maybe?

It should be set 10 levels for each spawn, except mages should stay to current levels since they could solo, and Necros should be set to 16 since they get FD and can just FD while others farm it for them.

[Smellybuttface]

What items we be /list for Kunark? I thought it was just for the classic legacy items

You might be right about that; I was assuming since people seemed fairly sure of it in this thread: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349575

Though it does seem significantly harder to implement in Kunark. Usually it takes a group to kill the Myconid King, would be really hard for the majority to do that solo. Some folks were thinking possibly Circlet of Shadows and Locket of Escape.

I checked the List Wiki and didn’t see anything specifically mentioning only Classic zones, but rather just “legacy” items: https://wiki.project1999.com/List_Command#Which_items_does_.2Flist_apply_to

“It only applies to a very few, highly contested, NPCs, which drop "legacy" items (ie. items which will soon be removed from the game).”

The only mention of “Classic” is in reference to the overall classic identity of the whole game, as opposed to actual “classic” zones.

Seems like it might just be a wait and see sort of thing. But I haven’t found anything in the Wiki or the List thread specifically ruling out Kunark/Velious.

[Bigsham]

back in my day when we camped items,we made sure we could solo it or brought friends that would help me kill it.

This

lists arent classic and are enabling horrible players with no friends or guild who cant break or hold camps to get premium items.

[Castle2.0]

Talked to death.

List the best of a bag of bad options.

It gets re-talked because people refuse to read what's already been written.

Not going to rehash those arguments. Use forum search.

[hewopepweow]

Is this what was going on at rubi bp camp this morning? I logged in there thinking my /list would have reset in 7 days (it didn't) and saw 4 people standing there doing nothing while the AoF was up WITH NO CLAW EQUIPPED (means he has bp) and multiple lizards around the spawn up. Was wondering wtf those clownshoes doing.

[Nirgon]

back in my day when we camped items,we made sure we could solo it or brought friends that would help me kill it.

All kinds of entitled morons will sit there and tell you to clear it for them.

These people should be charged with zone disruption and suspended.

Ty.

[Erati]

Is this what was going on at rubi bp camp this morning? I logged in there thinking my /list would have reset in 7 days (it didn't) and saw 4 people standing there doing nothing while the AoF was up WITH NO CLAW EQUIPPED (means he has bp) and multiple lizards around the spawn up. Was wondering wtf those clownshoes doing.

List reset doesnt work without server patches tampering

[Bigsham]

Is this what was going on at rubi bp camp this morning? I logged in there thinking my /list would have reset in 7 days (it didn't) and saw 4 people standing there doing nothing while the AoF was up WITH NO CLAW EQUIPPED (means he has bp) and multiple lizards around the spawn up. Was wondering wtf those clownshoes doing.

Means they cant kill the mob and have no business at the camp, but theres no incentive for anyone to come help because they cant even roll.

[Erati]

Means they cant kill the mob and have no business at the camp, but theres no incentive for anyone to come help because they cant even roll.

someone should see if its still up

[Tenudil]

Means they cant kill the mob and have no business at the camp, but theres no incentive for anyone to come help because they cant even roll.

Not necessarily, it may mean the first person can't necessarily solo it and doesn't want to lose his spot. I've seen some shady things done by people farther down the list especially when a melee character is ahead of them.

[Tecmos Deception]

Not necessarily, it may mean the first person can't necessarily solo it and doesn't want to lose his spot. I've seen some shady things done by people farther down the list especially when a melee character is ahead of them.

The /list system turns normal EQ rules and etiquette concerning camps on their heads. The staff took normal camp rules that we've been dealing with in one form or another or decades and turned /list camps into a "survival situation." Go figure many people turn on each other like starving, wild animals.

[Wallicker]

You want Ruby for your melee class? Make a solo class that can solo this camp(and also farm other camps/plat for you later)! Don’t want to make a solo class then make arrangements via friends or guild to have someone help you.

[Natewest1987]

so someone joins the list at spot 9 and by the time they are at 2 the group as devolved into mostly melee and a few casters. no healers no cc. so they just fold? been there the entire time but meaningless, or oh theres a cleric in zone that sees they are struggling wait a little bit and bring in your own group now your #1.

the list system has been picked through over and over I think its pretty well settled on at this point

This is actually kind of a stupid argument because obviously that is the way it works in any other circumstance, and you know damn well that if you were that cleric you’d be praying they ate it.

[Natewest1987]

So someone is on a waiting list for an exp group at scryer in uguk, and by the time they get into the group the remaining members are unable to hold the camp down. So they just fold? Nah. Let's just give him free exp for hiding in a corner. Or better yet, let's tell a capable group that shows up and wants to claim scryer that they can't actually have it unless they first powerlevel the people who are there currently but unable to handle the camp on their own for a day or two.

Yeah. That'll be great. Both of those things are totally in keeping with classic mechanics AND the classic experience, right?!

Derp dee doo!!!

Beyond “classic” it’s literally not how any game is played. It’s a wacky system.

[Natewest1987]

As opposed to letting one person or a group of people monopolize the camp for weeks on end?

Isn’t this literally EXACTLY what is happening ?

[Atennu]

I think a good proposal to groups being unable to clear list camps is to code ALL list nameds with a * on their name, and their respective PH's to also have a * - Once these pop if they are not engaged within a generous 5 minutes then everyone on the current list should be penalized 30 minutes with removal of said list and unable to rejoin with that account for 30 minutes. This will encourage everyone at camp to actively pull the mob(s), and not feel safe with the mentality "Oh we'll just resume pulls when a high level joins us".

[Visual]

Should have been level 50 minimum for these camps

[turbosilk]

Ez fix. Shrink the radius of the list function so that you have to engage to list or stay on the list.

[Asteria]

The /list system turns normal EQ rules and etiquette concerning camps on their heads. The staff took normal camp rules that we've been dealing with in one form or another or decades and turned /list camps into a "survival situation." Go figure many people turn on each other like starving, wild animals.

Well, it's like a new mini-game within a 21yo predictable game fwiw! :)

[Erati]

The /list system turns normal EQ rules and etiquette concerning camps on their heads. The staff took normal camp rules that we've been dealing with in one form or another or decades and turned /list camps into a "survival situation." Go figure many people turn on each other like starving, wild animals.

This is exactly what I said during the initial tests of the /lists

It takes what you expect to happen at an EQ item camp and turns it on its head becoming a game of last man standing.

[Misek84]

If the ph/named isnt killed in 20 mins of spawning the list drops whoever is in #1. If you cant solo the camp or get people to help you, you dont deserve the loot, simple. Only potential issue i see with this rule is people training the camp hoping to get people to drop. Just create an area around the list camps that easily identifies anyone bring mobs into this zone and harshly punish trainers (which would be easy to identify cause of the no train zone created)