I learned something new today!

[Kalamurv]

So I've played far more eq than I care to admit....over 1000 days of actual /played time (not afk) on live plus countless more on blue and now teal / green. Ive played most classes to at least 60 so Im quite familiar with pretty much all EQ mechanics, but today I learned something new.

Ive always known that chanter slow was roughly equivalent to shammy slow, at least until shamans get their 75% slow (chanters top slow is 70% @ 57), but I hadn't realized that chanter slow is actually better than shammys until shammys hit lv 41 with togors (39 spell) and chanters take the lead again at 44 with shiftless deeds (65%) until shamans get Turgurs at 51 where they finally pull ahead (I believe from there forward).

[axisofebola]

Where you getting this from, because it seems faulty. Shman slow will be slightly better and slightly less mana from togor's forward.

[Cen]

So you are actually three years younger then you really are!

Though.. a human is lucky to circle the sun 80 times. You sacrificed three of them for your Everquest experience.

[Frostback]

So you are actually three years younger then you really are!

Though.. a human is lucky to circle the sun 80 times. You sacrificed three of them for your Everquest experience.

It takes time to live...

Life is meaningless, everquest is meaningless, therefore Everquest is life.

[Cen]

It takes time to live...

Life is meaningless, everquest is meaningless, therefore Everquest is life.

Honestly, anything that isn't suffering in hunger in the cold wilderness trying to live another day is better then everyone elses existence.

[DMN]

Honestly, anything that isn't suffering in hunger in the cold wilderness trying to live another day is better then everyone elses existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE93xON8jk

[Kalamurv]

Where you getting this from, because it seems faulty. Shman slow will be slightly better and slightly less mana from togor's forward.

not quite togors forward as you have to remember enchanters get shiftless deeds at 44 which is better than togors (sure its 25 mana more), and next shammy spell is 51 turgurs.

[DMN]

not quite togors forward as you have to remember enchanters get shiftless deeds at 44 which is better than togors (sure its 25 mana more), and next shammy spell is 51 turgurs.

Again, where are getting this from, because it's wrong. Togor's is better than shiftless % and mana at 44.

[TripSin]

I played Enchanter in live and I'm playing enchanter again on p99. I thought Shaman almost always (if not always) has a better slow than us but we have better haste.

[Kalamurv]

haha you know, I really shouldn't post so late...not sure why but had complete brain fart, was looking at max % for chanters spell and per level % of shammys

[Tecmos Deception]

Again, where are getting this from, because it's wrong. Togor's is better than shiftless % and mana at 44.

All I know is togors won't overwrite shiftless with both the sham and ench at level 50.

[Smellybuttface]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE93xON8jk

One of my favorite SNL skits.

“Meow meeoooowwww”

[cd288]

Honestly, anything that isn't suffering in hunger in the cold wilderness trying to live another day is better then everyone elses existence.

What if the wilderness is hot?

[Cen]

Something went wrong with my last post and it sounded depressing because of the mistake.

I meant to say if you arent suffering to death in hunger in the wilderness, your enjoying life better then 99% of the long gone humans of history.

We have it awesome :p

[Doktoor]

I spend about 4 weeks a year in the wilderness, cold, wet, and hungry, bowhunting Dall sheep, moose, and elk. They are the days of the year that I look most forward to all year long and give intense happiness and meaning to my life.

[Cen]

I spend about 4 weeks a year in the wilderness, cold, wet, and hungry, bowhunting Dall sheep, moose, and elk. They are the days of the year that I look most forward to all year long and give intense happiness and meaning to my life.

I agree. We came full circle on naturalistic issues. People go to gyms to lift barbells to simulate doing hard work that on a base level would otherwise be unappealing.

I go through a routine ass kicking because i don't get my ass kicked enough.

[Bigsham]

pretty sure both slows are great but ench is magic based sham is disease or poison. Sure you can debuff yours real easy but i remember shm slows lasting much longer and if it resists and you get summon shams can survive !

[cd288]

I agree. We came full circle on naturalistic issues. People go to gyms to lift barbells to simulate doing hard work that on a base level would otherwise be unappealing.

I go through a routine ass kicking because i don't get my ass kicked enough.

People lift barbells to get ripped.

[Grakken]

pretty sure both slows are great but ench is magic based sham is disease or poison. Sure you can debuff yours real easy but i remember shm slows lasting much longer and if it resists and you get summon shams can survive !

Shaman Slow is MR just like enchanter. Shaman slow at 50 lasts 2:12. Enchanter lasts 2:12 at 44, not sure at 50.

But yes, Shaman are better target for surviving aggro post slow cast.

[plzrelax]

It may also be worth noting that some enchanter slows are research only