What do mages really have going for them?

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

Correct my ignorance if I’m wrong on this, but they seem to just be a gimped necromancer. Necros also get a pet of similar strength. Mages can’t even root lmao. They don’t even have the raiding niche/ports of wizards. And they certainly don’t hold a candle to enchanters I think it’s fair to say.

What’s the true deal with mages throughout classic to Velious? What’s the point?

[Albanwr]

Level to 55 and become a call of the hero bot.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Level to 55 and become a call of the hero bot.

don't forget you can camp all low to mid tier items, and become a mod rod bot too.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

So mages are pretty garbo, I see.

Classic balance gonna be classic balance I guess.

[Cen]

So mages are pretty garbo, I see.

Classic balance gonna be classic balance I guess.

Magicians, and even Wizards, don't get a whole lot compared to the other two casters.


I always repeat this.. but if Magicians and Wizards combined into one class, getting all their spells, and both their epics at once.. with the pets, the ports, the nukes, COTH, all of that.. they'd still probably be worse then an enchanter.

But thats just how the game balance ended up. Mages are still kind of neat thematically.

The game isn't balanced.

[DMN]

necro summmoed pets aren't even nearly as good as mage pets for efficiency(mage pets cost almost nothing compared to necro pets). Untl kunark+ necros can't haste for shit, either. Mage DD is only marginally worse than wizards. What you essentially have it the second best DPs class for sometime, only behind a charming enchanter -- which is far more taxing on healer mana and on the player themselves having to consonantly keep focus on the charm between doing other things.

Long term you will get CoH and mod rods. That's offering more than 80-90% of the other classes.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

necro summmoed pets aren't even nearly as good as mage pets for efficiency(mage pets cost almost nothing compared to necro pets). Untl kunark+ necros can't haste for shit, either. Mage DD is only marginally worse than wizards. What you essentially have it the second best DPs class for sometime, only behind a charming enchanter -- which is far more taxing on healer mana and on the player themselves having to consonantly keep focus on the charm between doing other things.

Long term you will get CoH and mod rods. That's offering more than 80-90% of the other classes.

How valuable is CotH? I quit before Kunark on live.

I did see some chart once showing mod rods exponentially increasing the mana pool of a raid, so that’s something I guess.

[DMN]

How valuable is CotH? I quit before Kunark on live.

I did see some chart once showing mod rods exponentially increasing the mana pool of a raid, so that’s something I guess.

Well, if green is totally dominated by one guild, CotH will still be really nice grouping in place like seb where you can just summon replacements. you can also make a ton of cash off it by summoning to select places.

Now, if there is some decent competition between guilds on green though, being able to CotH your raid force there as fast is possible is going to be a priority for every guild and it will be vital to getting the pixels before the "other guys."

[Natewest1987]

uhhh. I’ll bite, I guess.

Mage Vs. Necro
- Stronger DPS in group content due to pet damage, damage shields, better DD’s, no DOT’s
- passive CC through pet tanks & pet procs, stuns that interupt casters and roots from earth
- potential to increase group dps through damage shields & busted proc weapons for pets
- earth pet will last a lot longer than necro pet if shit hits the fan.
- also can potentially save the day by chain casting pets if shit did blow up.

Vs Wiz
- similar damage Nukes, atleast for a while
- stronger sustained group dps for reasons above
- ability to share mana with the group, thus decrease down time
- less mana dependent

Vs enchanter
- if charm pet isn’t available then they aren’t competing for the same role, so this is iffy
- with charm pet then enchanter hands down, but enchanter tops the caster list anyway

For the record I play necro, but mages do have quite the edge unless we’re talking about ability to solo, and then the only real edge Necros have is their versatility in dealing with breaking camps and getting in/ out of places. A mage can still kill a lot of things that a necro can, for instance, if the room is already broken.

Most groups will tend to favor mage / necro / wizard and enchanter circumstantially will top that list depending on availability of charm pet / need for additional dps vs additional cc.

It is also a lot easier to play a mage to a decent level of competency than it is necro / enchanter.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

Well, if green is totally dominated by one guild, CotH will still be really nice grouping in place like seb where you can just summon replacements. you can also make a ton of cash off it by summoning to select places.

Now, if there is some decent competition between guilds on green though, being able to CotH your raid force there as fast is possible is going to be a priority for every guild and it will be vital to getting the pixels before the "other guys."

You can make cash CotH’ing people? They need to be grouped don’t they?

[supermonk]

if you're lazy, like farming stuffs, and just ripping through mobs so you can take a longer AFK, mages are pretty good. also...if you're fortunate enough to get an epic pet during Kunark, it'll probably be the most fun you'll have on p99.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

uhhh. I’ll bite, I guess.

Mage Vs. Necro
- Stronger DPS in group content due to pet damage, damage shields, better DD’s, no DOT’s
- passive CC through pet tanks & pet procs, stuns that interupt casters and roots from earth
- potential to increase group dps through damage shields & busted proc weapons for pets
- earth pet will last a lot longer than necro pet if shit hits the fan.
- also can potentially save the day by chain casting pets if shit did blow up.

Vs Wiz
- similar damage Nukes, atleast for a while
- stronger sustained group dps for reasons above
- ability to share mana with the group, thus decrease down time
- less mana dependent

Vs enchanter
- if charm pet isn’t available then they aren’t competing for the same role, so this is iffy
- with charm pet then enchanter hands down, but enchanter tops the caster list anyway

For the record I play necro, but mages do have quite the edge unless we’re talking about ability to solo, and then the only real edge Necros have is their versatility in dealing with breaking camps and getting in/ out of places. A mage can still kill a lot of things that a necro can, for instance, if the room is already broken.

Most groups will tend to favor mage / necro / wizard and enchanter circumstantially will top that list depending on availability of charm pet / need for additional dps vs additional cc.

It is also a lot easier to play a mage to a decent level of competency than it is necro / enchanter.

Well that certainly paints them in a different light, thanks for the reply.

[douglas1999]

I honestly wouldn't want the classes to be perfectly balanced. You know a good way to perfectly balance the classes? Make one generic class called FANTASY CHARACTER and give it the combined skills and stats of every existing class and deity. Obviously going too far the other way and having classes be wildly UNbalanced isn't ideal either, but I like that classic EQ classes kind of allow people to play to their strengths. I personally think playing a cleric is unbearably boring and horrible, but some people love to fill that crucial role and heal others. It's a good if imperfect system.

[thesoundofmerk]

Hey stop hating on wizards! We are complex creatures ok

[Quylein]

As a mage on live back in the day I lived it. COTh is great in groups to in your deep in dungeons xp and needed a pickup. Still situational beyond raiding though. I got really good getting deep in kos areas and clothing groups to xp as well.

But modrods can die a death of a thousand cuts.. Eff that spell. Makes raiding as a mage a mana bot. worse then that is serving a dru a rod and watching them just nuke it away then ask for more.

[Kalamurv]

You do have to be grouped to CotH someone but that's easily gimped with stalking probes / summoned eyes. Don't forget all the shit mages summon, bandaids, food, pet weapons....much later on entire sets of armor for pets etc. Their DS is hands down best in game, their nukes while slightly behind wiz seem to be more consistent than wizzys imo, less full blown resists on mage nukes

[Gatorsmash]

Broken unbalanced pet weapons that still proc a giant DD vs all mobs that you can have them duel wield since the developers cant be bothered with fixing something that fucks the game economy......again.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

Broken unbalanced pet weapons that still proc a giant DD vs all mobs that you can have them duel wield since the developers cant be bothered with fixing something that fucks the game economy......again.

I thought that was classic?

Also how does that fuck the game economy?

[Gatorsmash]

I thought that was classic?

Also how does that fuck the game economy?

It was not classic and mages being able to crush things farming with that massive extra DPS taints the whole market with items mages were never able to farm unless they were significantly higher lvl vs the mob solo. Its ridiculous.

Edit- and for people who dont know it's a 40 (44?) Damage proc summoned weapons that's only supposed to proc vs summoned mobs that starts to proc at lvl 20 that your high dex dps pet can duel weild

Correction- they fixed it for players pretty fast which is what I remembered but unfortunately left it in till velious. My bad. Saw a warrior duel wielding these things and it triggered me. I'll have some more coffee

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

It was not classic and mages being able to crush things farming with that massive extra DPS taints the whole market with items mages were never able to farm unless they were significantly higher lvl vs the mob solo. Its ridiculous

I’ll let others comment on exactly how much damage is added, but I feel like a handful of 41dd procs really isn’t anything game changing. What level do they start to proc at?

And you’re certain it isn’t classic? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Nilbog in a bug thread commenting that it was.

[Balimon]

The proc on rune swords is hardly overpowered, you could easily get by with never using them.

Mages are a fun class to play and to add something that people have overlooked a very high dps class. Especially in group situations. The 49 pet alone is ridiculously good, not to mention focused higher level pets, nukes, DS.

[red_demonman]

Best pet dps outside of charmed mobs. They are seriously awesome DPS for groups. In the context of raids they are less exciting as its mostly coth/mod rods/nuke. Pets can be more of a liability on some raids. Pet alone is just great sustained DPS though and then mages are just below a wizard in nuking abilities. If I'm looking for DPS in a group they are one of the classes I'm looking for.

Also, amazing duo with a shammy right now in classic. Shammy slow and then send both pets in = profit. Crazy efficient exp.

[cd288]

It was not classic and mages being able to crush things farming with that massive extra DPS taints the whole market with items mages were never able to farm unless they were significantly higher lvl vs the mob solo. Its ridiculous.

Edit- and for people who dont know it's a 40 (44?) Damage proc summoned weapons that's only supposed to proc vs summoned mobs that starts to proc at lvl 20 that your high dex dps pet can duel weild

Correction- they fixed it for players pretty fast which is what I remembered but unfortunately left it in till velious. My bad. Saw a warrior duel wielding these things and it triggered me. I'll have some more coffee

I'd be interested to see examples with screenshots of all these Mages on Green who are farming all the valuable loot and cash camps in the game. When it comes to farming, I haven't seen many Mages. Probably 90% of the people I've seen farming are Enchanters or Necros, with some Shamans thrown in too. Barely seen many Mage farmers so it sounds like this is an issue that may not actually be occurring in reality.

[damus1]

Mages can farm frenzy and magi pretty easily, its not due to their swords though lol. They're OP when you get them at 29 sure, but a couple 41dd procs per mob stops being significant when they're quadding for 56 anyway. Mages are great at farming lower lvl stuff, and are alright at intermediate level farming (am/frenz) against single mobs: but necros and encs have always been the best at the harder camps like king and lord

[Siege]

You play mage so you can transfer weight-free bags and ultravision to your alts.

[kjs86z]

coth and mod rods

thats it

[Tecmos Deception]

The 49 pet alone is ridiculously good, not to mention focused higher level pets, nukes, DS.

And malaise line!

[Phaezed-Reality]

sure mages can farm a broken frenzy room, BREAK INTO IT? diff story. proof plz

[Balimon]

And malaise line!

True, never understood why mages get it, but it is definitely sweet.

[Polycaster]

sure mages can farm a broken frenzy room, BREAK INTO IT? diff story. proof plz

Would depend on what spawns were up, some are green at 50. Would likely still require binding near sent and suiciding a few times.


As a necro I envy mages their ability to do much greater dps in a group. I pretty much send in pet, dmf, give hp to whoever needs and lifetap it back.

I once counted the dmg from the proc swords in a dino fight. IIRC, it was something like 400dmg on a 15k hp mob. Not insignificant, but also not a game-changer.

[Kirdan]

...their nukes while slightly behind wiz seem to be more consistent than wizzys imo, less full blown resists on mage nukes

uh, no, it's the opposite

[Kohedron]

Well I literally had to give up playing my rogue because min-maxers (over 95% of the server) only wants pet DPS classes in their groups, so there's that.

[Polycaster]

Well I literally had to give up playing my rogue because min-maxers (over 95% of the server) only wants pet DPS classes in their groups, so there's that.

I know wizards who regularly get groups, and I've had 2+ hybrid tanks in my alt SKs group (and I am a min-maxxer; sometimes you just have to go with the flow though.)

Maybe it's you.

[cd288]

I know wizards who regularly get groups, and I've had 2+ hybrid tanks in my alt SKs group (and I am a min-maxxer; sometimes you just have to go with the flow though.)

Maybe it's you.

Yeah I haven't had any problems on a Rogue. I highly doubt that commenter has run into groups with open spots that said "no thanks we'll wait until a pet DPS class comes along." More likely that commenter is just seeing full groups that have multiple pet DPS classes in them, which is not the same as saying people are passing up on a Rogue for those classes.

If there are in fact instances where there is like one open spot left and the commenter is standing there and being passed up right then for a pet DPS class, I'd imagine a decent amount of the reason is the other abilities those classes have and not just their pet since it's not as though Rogues are bad melee DPS.

[Polycaster]

I agree that a lot of it is attributing to min-max malice what could best be explained by groups being full or needing a specialist to work (heal/ tank). I've been in a lot of groups that took whoever was nearest when a spot opened, if no specialist was needed. I've had strangers send me tells on my druid to come heal, and druids are generally considered 3rd place out of 3 for healers. 5 AM demographics ftw ;)

[DMN]

Well I literally had to give up playing my rogue because min-maxers (over 95% of the server) only wants pet DPS classes in their groups, so there's that.

well, if a group is already skewed toward using pets, adding any melee based characters becomes a bad idea and drain of efficiency. Not so much min-max but square peg/round hole.

[Kalamurv]

Ive seen some amazing druids easily out heal clerics....there are far to many times in this game where people forget to place skill above all else. I'll take a skilled player over a shitty one even if it means I have to work 3 x harder to make it work

[Hiten]

Ive seen some amazing druids easily out heal clerics....there are far to many times in this game where people forget to place skill above all else. I'll take a skilled player over a shitty one even if it means I have to work 3 x harder to make it work

Eh. You mean like if cleric was afk? Can’t see how a druid would out heal a cleric otherwise.

[Tecmos Deception]

Eh. You mean like if cleric was afk? Can’t see how a druid would out heal a cleric otherwise.

Regen/chloro and lesser heals are no joke in many group comps and levels. That ch can heal for 10k or whatever doesn't mean shit if your tank is a 1400 hp bard or ranger, or your group is all casters, or you want the war to stay enraged, etc. And even if you are in a group that seems like it needs a cleric, a slacker who doesn't want to spend a dot to symbol the chanter or puller, or who isn't quick with a stun or heal on a charm break, will quickly be outperformed by a competent druid.

[Smellybuttface]

Well I literally had to give up playing my rogue because min-maxers (over 95% of the server) only wants pet DPS classes in their groups, so there's that.

Who is spreading this Mage as a top-DPS class over a Rogue? I've rarely seen a Mage outperform a Rogue or a Monk in a DPS parse.

[Doktoor]

Every exp group I've been in on Green and Teal have been stoked to get a rogue.

The only time you don't want a rogue is when you've got a healer, no tank, and 3-4 pet classes, because then the rogue is the MT. And how often is that happening? I haven't seen it happen at all.

[Kalamurv]

Regen/chloro and lesser heals are no joke in many group comps and levels. That ch can heal for 10k or whatever doesn't mean shit if your tank is a 1400 hp bard or ranger, or your group is all casters, or you want the war to stay enraged, etc. And even if you are in a group that seems like it needs a cleric, a slacker who doesn't want to spend a dot to symbol the chanter or puller, or who isn't quick with a stun or heal on a charm break, will quickly be outperformed by a competent druid.

This plus also being smart with their mana....Ive seen horrible clerics that waste a ton of mana using heals inefficiently (healing to soon etc), not bothering to even attempt a heal on a chanter until they've already dropped to 40% on pet break....not having the brains to root park adds, instead trying to heal entire group and either running out of mana, or pulling aggro with those heals, or worse yet, both.

[Kohedron]

Yeah I haven't had any problems on a Rogue. I highly doubt that commenter has run into groups with open spots that said "no thanks we'll wait until a pet DPS class comes along." More likely that commenter is just seeing full groups that have multiple pet DPS classes in them, which is not the same as saying people are passing up on a Rogue for those classes.

If there are in fact instances where there is like one open spot left and the commenter is standing there and being passed up right then for a pet DPS class, I'd imagine a decent amount of the reason is the other abilities those classes have and not just their pet since it's not as though Rogues are bad melee DPS.

I am genuinely astonished this is such a surprise to everyone here

I lost count of how many times I was waiting for a group while /ooc is full of "LFM pet dps".. the few times I would reach out they would say no ty.

Even the guild I was in on Teal would do the same shit, I forget the guild name but they were like the peewee kingdom

[Natewest1987]

Who is spreading this Mage as a top-DPS class over a Rogue? I've rarely seen a Mage outperform a Rogue or a Monk in a DPS parse.

A mage will outperform rogues until a certain threshold of gear, skill, and circumstances ( content / era / group composition, etc.). Obviously too end rogues in perfect scenarios are going to lead but the game isn’t 100% tank & spank raid mobs either.

[Talawen]

Even the guild I was in on Teal would do the same shit, I forget the guild name but they were like the peewee kingdom

cant remember 10 days ago? drugs much?

[Nilstoniakrath]

Are you F-ing kidding me?

Mages are awesome dps. They don't have the utility of necros, and are not OP like a good chanter, but they will melt down mobs and can contribute even when oom with their pet in contrast to wizards.

[Natewest1987]

I think those swords are being super under valued ��*♂️. Its it’s basically like an extra attack, and for a while will hit harder than your pet will.

Really shines in pet centric groups, or give them to a dex buffed charm pet with a haste item ��*♂️

Free damage is free damage and less mana spent. Mobs die faster = healers heal less = less damage spells cast = xpez

[Kohedron]

cant remember 10 days ago? drugs much?

Haven't played in well over a month, but nice joke my man

[cd288]

I am genuinely astonished this is such a surprise to everyone here

I lost count of how many times I was waiting for a group while /ooc is full of "LFM pet dps".. the few times I would reach out they would say no ty.

Even the guild I was in on Teal would do the same shit, I forget the guild name but they were like the peewee kingdom

Could be a combo of things. At lower levels, Rogue DPS can be pretty hit or miss without good gear. So that could be part of it.

Casters also come with other sorts of utility (such as Necro abilities to give mana, etc.) that people might be looking for as a bonus.

They could be hoping for an Enchanter because Charmed pet DPS is the best DPS in the game (although I'm assuming they'd be specifying Enchanter if that's what they were looking for).

If you're running into this in later levels once people have had a chance to get some gear and so your Rogue has decent weapons, those people are idiots.

[turbosilk]

Who is spreading this Mage as a top-DPS class over a Rogue? I've rarely seen a Mage outperform a Rogue or a Monk in a DPS parse.

This isn't blue in velious. I'm up for parsing my level 49 pet and nuking vs monks and rogues.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

This isn't blue in velious. I'm up for parsing my level 49 pet and nuking vs monks and rogues.

25 point damage shield to throw on the tank too.

[azeth]

This isn't blue in velious. I'm up for parsing my level 49 pet and nuking vs monks and rogues.

Just make sure you parse for an extended period of time over many mobs.

Pretty clear on ONE mob mage will destroy a melee on parse.

On two? Mage, theyre not OOM yet.

Three? Mage, still not OOM.

Four... or more? Game over, this is why rogues are the highest DPS.

Sustained DPS > Burst DPS.

[Frug]

Sustained DPS > Burst DPS.

If you have sustained pulls.

[Smellybuttface]

If you have sustained pulls.

Why Rogue’s and Monk’s in raids easily outparse Mages.

I have no problem with Mages, I just don’t like this false notion perpetuated that they’re leagues above other DPS in damage output. It’s simply not true.

[Natewest1987]

Just make sure you parse for an extended period of time over many mobs.

Pretty clear on ONE mob mage will destroy a melee on parse.

On two? Mage, theyre not OOM yet.

Three? Mage, still not OOM.

Four... or more? Game over, this is why rogues are the highest DPS.

Sustained DPS > Burst DPS.

obviously it isnt this simple lol

[Balimon]

I think people are saying that mages can out parse rogues and monks at level 50 with this level of gear.

[Siege]

Why Rogue’s and Monk’s in raids easily outparse Mages.

I have no problem with Mages, I just don’t like this false notion perpetuated that they’re leagues above other DPS in damage output. It’s simply not true.

It depends on level and gear. In the early levels on a fresh server, mages spanks melee classes hard. Their pets are ridiculous compared to an ungeared melee class and their nukes are almost on par with wiz nukes. That isn't necessarily the case now that Green is mature enough to have low-level twinks and decently geared mid-level characters.

[Kalamurv]

rogue without 10-12 dmg poker with decent delay really isn't gonna be putting out a ton of dps, rogues don't really shine until epic with its 15 dmg and 40 attack

[Vexenu]

Classic Rogue weapons are garbage. The average level 50 Mage with a focused, buffed and hasted level 49 pet, a 25 point DS and nukes is easily outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average level 50 Monk is outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue, either. I'd love to see parses comparing the three.

[DMN]

Classic Rogue weapons are garbage. The average level 50 Mage with a focused, buffed and hasted level 49 pet, a 25 point DS and nukes is easily outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average level 50 Monk is outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue, either. I'd love to see parses comparing the three.

Not counting dragon loot items, I wouldn't doubt any SK/pal/war right now out damages any monk or rogue with mith 2 hd. There is only one really good rogue weapon in this time period and it's dragon loot and there are no good monk weapons.

[Smellybuttface]

I played through all of classic on a TLP fairly recently, and regularly did group DPS parses. I have not seen any real difference in group DPS on Green from the TLP. Raid DPS will be different because of live changes they made to pets and DOTs on raid mobs.

Classic - Group (best to worst)
Enc / Nec (only with undead charm)
Monk / Mage
Rogue / Ranger / Warrior
The rest...

[DMN]

I'd love to know how a ranger outdamages a SK or paladin with a mith/TBB in vanilla EQ.

[Smellybuttface]

I'd love to know how a ranger outdamages a SK or paladin with a mith/TBB in vanilla EQ.

This is probably accurate. Most Pally/SK I grouped with used sword/board as main tanks, but likely they outparsed rangers with a Mith. I never checked everyone’s equipment, just the normal trends.

[DMN]

To be fair though, I should have added the caveat"without dragon loot". Incredulity is not warranted without that qualifier.

[turbosilk]

So what monks are going to step up and show themselves outdpsing me? Looking for rogues to step up too.

[turbosilk]

So what monks are going to step up and show themselves outdpsing me? Looking for rogues to step up too.

*crickets*

[turbosilk]

Wow this thread died. Where did all the dps monks and rogues go?

[Enme]

Sign me up for the 49 mage pet with 60% haste 2 procing swords innated proc quadding at 58per vs Rog/monk parsing.

I have out damaged GROUPS solo on my mage this week.

Harms 50 Magician
Green/Blue

[Tecmos Deception]

Focused water pet KSes whole groups, confirmed.

It's mostly downhill from here short of getting an epic, but yeah, mages aren't ever BAD.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Mage pets are also quite RELIABLE dps with the Mage itself offering burst damage nukes when needed. Also doesn't hurt that they can be used as fodder to tank adds and/or split rooms.

And of course damage shields are very powerful at all level ranges (especially against unslowed mobs including raid targets)

[Enme]

I think the OP should group with some mages and see for himself how OP they are. Turbo and I were in the 5 mage/2 necro group that farmed manastones on Green 2 days after launch as level 18-22s. We didn't see anyone there for 4 days.

[Smellybuttface]

I think the OP should group with some mages and see for himself how OP they are. Turbo and I were in the 5 mage/2 necro group that farmed manastones on Green 2 days after launch as level 18-22s. We didn't see anyone there for 4 days.

Was the /list system not out yet? I thought you couldn’t take the camp if it was a /list camp.

[Enme]

Can't list at lvl 20. If anyone /listed they would have taken the MS drop. No one listed and the manastone dropped on corpse normally without the list.

So yes you can take a camp if no one /lists and get the loot.

[ScottBerta]

Mage can farm HGs in RM like no ones business...

[Christina.]

Put me and my epic pet in a group and I'll show you what we got going for us �� want to see DPS lol?
Tank die? No worries, I have a pocket hulk, ��
He died!! Nope! There's another one. (Chain sumn)
Need emergency CC? My pet loves to CC
Darn one of our members been afk too long but we have to move..crap mobs are up now! I can COH!
I can Malo + nuke about hard as a wizard
A rogue or monk can't touch my DPS unless he's decked in velious gear
Our pet is ours, it's not charmed lol

We are awesome, especially the magicians who have professional pet control.



-Christina 60 Arch Mage, red server

[Scoojitsu]

Put me and my epic pet in a group

A rogue or monk can't touch my DPS unless he's decked in velious gear

Wonder what's more likely :rolleyes:

[WaffleztheAndal]

Isn’t the 49 water pet as good dps as the epic when it can backstab? Also seems pretty beefy.

[Tecmos Deception]

Isn’t the 49 water pet as good dps as the epic when it can backstab? Also seems pretty beefy.

49 water pet doesn't backstab. I think the epic pet is a bit higher level and has significantly higher melee damage, so it will still out-damage the level 60 water pet by a little. It also has a ton more hp and a damage shield and whatnot.

[WaffleztheAndal]

49 water pet doesn't backstab. I think the epic pet is a bit higher level and has significantly higher melee damage, so it will still out-damage the level 60 water pet by a little. It also has a ton more hp and a damage shield and whatnot.

Shit sorry meant the 59 water pet.

[Ligma]

On live the epic pet out damaged the 62 water pet when the procs landed. Proc rate is gimped on p99 though.

[Fragged]

Mod rods, dispel sticks and triple DA I suppose.

[Christina.]

Isn’t the 49 water pet as good dps as the epic when it can backstab? Also seems pretty beefy.

Hehe no way jose, our epic summons a Savage lol.

49 water pet
HP 2350
DMG (double atk 2x) 56
KICK 23
DD nuke 42

Vs

Epic Pet
HP 4000
DMG (Quads 4x) 82
KICK 31
STUNS (+32 DMG)
DD nuke 142 (procs much more than regular pets)
Damage Shield 50

And that's before you give it 76% Haste w / muzzle and burnout IV !! :)

On live the epic pet out damaged the 62 water pet when the procs landed. Proc rate is gimped on p99 though.

I know right..if it's nuke and stun rate was like it was on live, oh man lol. That being said ..it still feels like literally having hulk as your body guard hah

[Christina.]

Wonder what's more likely :rolleyes:
Both ;)
#1 you won't be lfg as an epic mage lol
#2 a rogue/Monk won't out DPS one Pre- end game velious ;)

[DMN]

Hehe no way jose, our epic summons a Savage lol.

49 water pet
HP 2350
DMG (double atk 2x) 56
KICK 23
DD nuke 42

Vs

Epic Pet
HP 4000
DMG (Quads 4x) 82
KICK 31
STUNS (+32 DMG)
DD nuke 142 (procs much more than regular pets)
Damage Shield 50

And that's before you give it 76% Haste w / muzzle and burnout IV !! :)



I know right..if it's nuke and stun rate was like it was on live, oh man lol. That being said ..it still feels like literally having hulk as your body guard hah


Why can a water pet not quad? Do you even play a mage? And he was talking about the 59 water pet anyway, which has backstab. Again, if you were a mage you'd prolly realize this.

[Kanuvan]

rather have a rogue/monk than a mage, because the monk can pull/offtank whill puting up good numbers and the rogue is going to be more dps in the long run because they wont be medding and will do similiar dps to a mage that goes oom

monk
rogue
tank
healer
chanter

is your typical non stop exp group

[turbosilk]

rather have a rogue/monk than a mage, because the monk can pull/offtank whill puting up good numbers and the rogue is going to be more dps in the long run because they wont be medding and will do similiar dps to a mage that goes oom

monk
rogue
tank
healer
chanter

is your typical non stop exp group

Sorry you're thinking of a different game currently than green. Mages own rogue/monk dps which is why non of them will parse with a mage.

Your non stop exp group is:
Tank/puller
Mage
healer
Ench
Mage (or can do necro/shm)

The tank chain pulls and heads out for more and lets the pets finish off mobs. You're currently having rogues/monks in groups without shaman str? wow whatever dps they have really falls off.

But really the best group is this below. Just crawl/roam your camp and utterly destroy.
Mage
Mage
Mage
Mage
Healer
Ench/Bard

[Christina.]

Why can a water pet not quad? Do you even play a mage? And he was talking about the 59 water pet anyway, which has backstab. Again, if you were a mage you'd prolly realize this.

Oh you mean the quad it has a chance to do after it has been given two weapons to DW and reach DA checklist twice heh? Bleh, epic has innate quad and hits those constantly Answering your cute question though lol, yes I'm a mage. A 60 mage with epic

But anywhooooooo I just came to represent for us mages and go to war with anyone who was trying to give us a bad name lol.

[Tecmos Deception]

Oh you mean the quad it has a chance to do after it has been given two weapons to DW and reach DA checklist twice heh? Bleh, epic has innate quad and hits those constantly Answering your cute question though lol, yes I'm a mage. A 60 mage with epic

But anywhooooooo I just came to represent for us mages and go to war with anyone who was trying to give us a bad name lol.

Stop posting.

[Christina.]

Stop posting.

I don't recall replying to you or directing any of my comments towards you, your dismissed.

[TripSin]

I like how at one point this forum was just a bunch of everyone crying about how insane enchanter charmed pet DPS was compared to everything else and now we actin like it aint nothin lol

Had someone turn me away a week or two from a group as an enc because they were looking for melee dps and already had a chanter (at a camp I've regularly torn up with a 2nd chanter in group before). It's like boy, u know i got dat charm rite? have you even seen DPS logs before?

[Smellybuttface]

Sorry you're thinking of a different game currently than green. Mages own rogue/monk dps which is why non of them will parse with a mage.

Your non stop exp group is:
Tank/puller
Mage
healer
Ench
Mage (or can do necro/shm)

The tank chain pulls and heads out for more and lets the pets finish off mobs. You're currently having rogues/monks in groups without shaman str? wow whatever dps they have really falls off.

But really the best group is this below. Just crawl/roam your camp and utterly destroy.
Mage
Mage
Mage
Mage
Healer
Ench/Bard

Just take it a step further and have all Enchanters with a healer, or 4 enchanters, healer, bard/monk for pulling. Charm pet easily outdamages everything in the game. Healer can even root mobs to prevent running if you don’t have snare.

Sure inherently more dangerous having that many charmed pets, but where’s the fun in EQ without a little danger.

[Kanuvan]

the mage population has died off greatly for a reason

[Tecmos Deception]

the mage population has died off greatly

Has it? Only shamans, enchanters, and druids are ahead of them on green right now.

[Zeboim]

Mage population flopped when they all realized that their pets weren't going to be easy to get, and hasn't really recovered to where it was before that yet.

Anyways game is gg ez right now, only real point is to level up alts for later and maybe farm legacies if you're some kinda madman. Class power isn't worth thinking about and anyone trying to minmax group comps is not worth dealing with.

[DMN]

Best theoretical any sized group is:
X amount of enchanters + 1 necromancer.

[Karok]

Best theoretical any sized group is:
X amount of enchanters + 1 necromancer.

It’s been awhile help me out, why the necro?

[Tecmos Deception]

It’s been awhile help me out, why the necro?

He seems to be trying to make a group where the chanters are all paperthin and don't have malo for their pets and rely on necro heal over times to stay alive.

I guess the necro can help with pulls or something. As if 5 enchanters don't just "pull" by all casting aoe mez at the same time.

[Smellybuttface]

He seems to be trying to make a group where the chanters are all paperthin and don't have malo for their pets and rely on necro heal over times to stay alive.

I guess the necro can help with pulls or something. As if 5 enchanters don't just "pull" by all casting aoe mez at the same time.

How would this be superior to having a healing class instead of the Necro? Any of the 3 healers seem to offer more benefit. Druid=snare, Shaman=malo, Cleric=survivability buffs and potent healing/stuns for charm break.

[Tecmos Deception]

How would this be superior to having a healing class instead of the Necro? Any of the 3 healers seem to offer more benefit. Druid=snare, Shaman=malo, Cleric=survivability buffs and potent healing/stuns for charm break.

I agree with you. I was kinda poking fun at his group concept, but I guess it didnt come through the text well enough.

1 enchanter might work better with a necro. Maybe. But if you've got 2+, it seems the necro isnt providing anything needed that a wis caster can't provide better.

[Teppler]

If you’re min maxing at that point you aren’t using a full group. There comes a point where more dps isn’t going to add much.

[DMN]

Looks like the resident brain trust forgot necros can charm, too. You don't need malo for anything with multiple enchanters charm breaks should be shut down so fast it's a joke. I could see an argument for using fully hasted/itemized pets + a druid, i guess. But druid/enchanter combos arent nearly as good in smalller groups like duo and trio if the necro can also charm.

[Christina.]

the mage population has died off greatly for a reason

This is the situation on every new server, most people only make one to gear up what they really want to play. It's a rare bunch of us that actually main magicians