Clarification on CCs

[encopitt]

Apparently the PnP doesn't address this adequately.
If I walk into a zone [outdoor or no] (let's say blackburrow for instance) and ask for a CC, and then recieve responses claiming areas where the person who is calling it isn't present or even visible, with a full compliment of mobs, and then get trained by said individual for taking the camp they claimed, yet were nowhere near, I'm the instigator?

I try to play nice, even to a fault, and if anyone bitches about me whining, understand this is like day 4 of trying to get my kid into EQ, and even he is calling out people for being petty.

Why can't people check their ego at the door? If it was actually taken I'd have moved on.
-encopitt

[Cen]

If accurate, NTA


BTW, someone in BB specifically for the last few days has been calling all scrawnies as their camp. If its a scrawny gnoll, its theirs. lol

Suffice to say, nobody honors that ;D

[encopitt]

Swodniw and Folka were the instigators, Lothwain called me out for calling a camp in BB. My understanding is that if you're not there, and you asked for a CC it's open.

Got logs as well, if anyone GaF, however the forum community seems to blame first, ask questions later.
Sample:
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[Fri Jan 24 19:16:19 2020] You say out of character, 'the bridge doesn't include snakes and ramp and everything inbetween'
[Fri Jan 24 19:16:20 2020] You fail to locate any food nearby.
[Fri Jan 24 19:16:29 2020] Swodniw says out of character, 'I think it does.'
[Fri Jan 24 19:16:47 2020] Swodniw says out of character, 'Who's to say it doesnt?'
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-encopitt

[encopitt]

And if you're talking shit on Yaria, that's me, and I was only claiming the 4 gnolls under the bridge and the 4 scrawnies on the side by the barrels. A far cry from claiming "all scrawnies" ffs.
Perhaps it should have a new moniker? Like the DBaD (dont be a dick) policy?
Why is this shit even an issue?

-encopitt

[vaylri]

yea for fuckin real lol.
why do people always gotta open their vag flaps up ingame and wonder where the dunes came from?

[Hazek]

I just check if a camp is open instead of doing CC if possible so people don't claim it.

They have "reasonable time to engage" if the PH is up. But if they're nowhere in sight then i'm going to engage it and claim the camp.

But if they're sitting there medding then I'll ask and give it like 3 minutes if I get no response.

If they train or KS you then they're at fault.

And always record stuff and take screenshots so you have proof.

Rules say you can camp a single spawn point but "areas or rooms" are generally agreed on by players. I've always claimed a specific area then treated mobs outside it as neutral, as do others.

Solb for example. Royals and pool are separate camps, while mobs around the main circle are neutral, including noble unless someones camping it.

Or in CB. Wall and TM are camps up to their bridges, mobs in the middle are neutral.

I just try to be reasonable but without letting people push me around. And always consider what the GM's would think to make your decision based on that.

[BlackBellamy]

Apparently the PnP doesn't address this adequately.


PnP has nothing to do with this. A "CC" is a courtesy so that people don't have to run to see if a camp is open. You can respond or not respond doesn't matter for the purposes of claiming a camp. Only following the camp rules in the PnP counts.

[encopitt]

No argument here, but when you ask for a cc, and someone nowhere to be seen, calls a camp, mobs are up, and then trains youfor snaggingan empty camp, it's a dick move.

[Kalamurv]

if all mobs are up, the camps yours to take. The only exception, and this is because I'm not a dick like far to many people....if I call a cc and whoever claims x camp and says they're either headed there (because it was open), or are headed back from a wipe, I'll respect that and leave them to it. Some of the lawyer quest assholes will snipe your camp if your group wipes, or snipe your named if you haven't pulled fast enough for their liking. An example being say your at disco in seb, with a full group you generally need to clear shit to get to said named....Ive seen some royal pricks leap frog through invis and try and claim the named (whose ph group had been killing for hours) just because they figure they can

[Cen]

You weren't the scrawny person I meant, you were the one with the bridge + scrawny thing. I still didn't know what bridge that referred to since there's so many lol.

I treat BB as FTE for the most part. Most people run in circles around the place and kill whats up. You have 86 mobs or so. You can usually kill something until you get about 15 people in zone and then generally everything stays down. Its a little worse when some random high level runs in and wipes everything out for fangs for whatever reason they are wasting their time with that.

[encopitt]

Thank you! At least someone gets where I'm coming from. If you call it, its yours.
Don't blast me cause you were in a completely different area camping other mobs.

[Danth]

Also matters--defacto, if not dejure--if a guide/GM happens to be online. None on and someone trains you out of a camp? Doesn't matter who's it was or who's right or wrong; you've got no recourse within the rules. Sure you can petition but fat lot of good that does if nobody's there to read it when you need it. Maybe the other person (who trained you) might get suspended later but even if so, a) you'll usually never hear about it, and b) it doesn't help your plans for the day anyway. That's one of the inevitable drawbacks of having volunteer-based management, lots of gaps in coverage. Comes with the territory.

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I only very rarely ask for camp checks anymore; I prefer to directly check stuff myself. I'm long since tired of people claiming camps they aren't at, aren't clearing, and may not even ever reach. This happens quite often; I've seen it just this month where a group repeatedly claimed a camp but over the course of more than two hours never actually reached it at all before leaving. Experienced players are well aware that merely claiming a camp in /ooc will drive away a fair portion of the competition who may not be able to check for themselves. On the flip side, plenty of people don't bother responding to camp checks at all or might be AFK between spawn cycles, so quite often you'll clear to a seemingly-open camp just to find someone there anyway. Always best to check directly and be sure if you have the option to do so.

Danth

[lordpazuzu]

I've had people bullshit a camp check a few times. They take the opportunity to claim it before they get there so they can keep you from taking it first.

[Arshis]

If your in an indoor dungeon you may claim more than one camp, if someone would like one of your camps, you do have to forfeit one of your camps. However, the player holding the camps can choose which camp they would like to give up. You’ll see this a great deal in guk. It’s good to keep in mind that reason you may be seeing mobs up, because players who are just loot grinding will invis and go from camp to camp in the zone only killing the PH of the named. The key word here PH?

A far as CC’s are concerned, it’s not uncommon for people to not respond right away. People at Kindel in SolA afk for 16 mins at a time and sometimes people just don’t see the CC, they step away for a second and the current chat channel spams it away. One of the big reasons we play EQ is because it is a game you can play and progress on without it requiring your full attention, unlike most modern day MMORPGS that require you to button mash for hours on end.~ So I try to be forgiving in this sense of camp calls.

“a CC, and then recieve responses claiming areas where the person who is calling it isn't present or even visible, with a full compliment of mobs, and then get trained by said individual for taking the camp they claimed, yet were nowhere near, I'm the instigator?”

You have two ways you can go about this...

You can ask him for the camp if he has more than 1 camps he’s gotta give something up.

You go to the camp you catch the PH up take a timestamp (/time) and a screen shot. And even get fancy and type /say “Is anyone here?” Wait 3 mins, and if the PH is still up take another screen shot with the time stamp on it. It should also show that no one has responded to your question in say as well. This is all the proof you will ever need to show a guide/GM should an argument arise.

Now I want to get into the reason I mentioned to wait three mins. When it comes to claiming a camp it states very clearly, they must kill it in a reasonable amount of time. Reasonable is a variable, there is no set amount of time, this part takes judgement. Example: A level 35 druid will clear the ancient crock camp slower than a 35 mage. What matters is their clearing it as fast as they can, they are not lollygagging or wasting time. This goes the same with people who are clearing multi camps mobs in a zone, maybe their a mage and clearing between every camp and have been for the 7 hours. You can’t just run into a camp and take it, takes time for him to clear from spot to spot. You’ll see mages farm in Sol A like this quite a bit. Let's look at the latter, say it’s a Necro whos been just charm killing ph’s in Guk, he just goes invis from camp to camp, there is no reason he can’t kill 4ish mobs across 2 camps in 28 mins. Use your best judgement when you petition and always make or take evidence when you can. When you show you have been a thoughtful player and that you tried to be fair and understanding to other players you’ll never lose an argument. Hope this helps.

[Wallicker]

I always @CSR in discord then /who all GM Ingame, if you don’t get a response and don’t see one in 10-15 minutes then it’s fair game to train away. It’s the nature of the beast, get good!

[encopitt]

Get good?
How about having respect for the other human being behind the monitor?
No one should have to have a GM trailing them at all times.

-encopitt