Here's the real problem

[Silverfalcon]

Most people who play this game is older not younger. They have kids and/or real lives. Playing on Green or Teal was nice because while it was a little crowded is was not overcrowded. So, the real problem is the casual player who wanted to have fun could have fun and not have to wait an ungodly number of hours to go do something in the game. We casual players only have a few hours to play at a time.

Now from what I have seen since the merge you have all these high levels camping crap that is 10-15 levels lower than them and the people who are trying to get these camps or hunt in zones like SK who are legitimate levels for these areas can't. And no, we have real lives and can't pull an all-nighter to wait on some prick who doesn't have any responsibility to log off after 8-10 hours of camping so he can sell for plat or twink his/her alt.

[TripSin]

Then go play with your kids instead of a video game lmao

[Nirgon]

Then go play with your kids instead of a video game lmao

[aaezil]

Eq always favored the unemployed/single/unshaven loser was as true 30 years ago as it is today. Just the way the game is designed

[Silverfalcon]

Then go play with your kids instead of a video game lmao

See this is the irresponsible prick I was talking about.

[Nirgon]

How are you being kept from playing?

You just don't get the top rewards which you don't even need to group and have fun.

So entitled to top rewards with so little time. A whole new kind of try hard casual.

Learn to be a casual, happy player.

[Silverfalcon]

How are you being kept from playing?

You just don't get the top rewards which you don't even need to group and have fun.

So entitled to top rewards with so little time. A whole new kind of try hard casual.

Learn to be a casual, happy player.

And another prick shows up.

You do understand that when you have a limited time frame to play in and every place you can play to get xp is camped...you really can't play. Is that to hard for you to understand?

[Danth]

"Join Date: Oct 2019"

You're new-ish here so understand the following: this is not new. The admins who run Project1999 have, for the past ten years, virtually always maintained rulesets that favor the high-hours players. For the past decade accepting that reality, for better or worse, has been the price of entry here. My best suggestion is decide for yourself if you can enjoy the game as-is within the existing rules. The sort of changes you seek are unlikely to occur.

Danth

[Nirgon]

And another prick shows up.

You do understand that when you have a limited time frame to play in and every place you can play to get xp is camped...you really can't play. Is that to hard for you to understand?

I can play 1 hour every two days!

Give me my cloak of flames and amulet of necropotence you pricks!!!


You're like the spoiled girl in Willy Wonka.

Go enjoy your family. Some "neckbeards" get to enjoy this in life instead of having that, you little spaz.

[Silverfalcon]

"Join Date: Oct 2019"

You're new-ish here so understand the following: this is not new. The admins who run Project1999 have, for the past ten years, virtually always maintained rulesets that favor the high-hours players. For the past decade accepting that reality, for better or worse, has been the price of entry here. My best suggestion is decide for yourself if you can enjoy the game as-is within the existing rules. The sort of changes you seek are unlikely to occur.

Danth

I understand what you are saying. My point was explaining why people were upset with the the merge where the admins did not even give any warning to the player base that this was happening. Things are going to be pretty tight now in a classic timeline that with Kunark nearly a year away from coming on line to give more space to people to play in.

[Silverfalcon]

I can play 1 hour every two days!

Give me my cloak of flames and amulet of necropotence you pricks!!!


You're like the spoiled girl in Willy Wonka.

Go enjoy your family. Some "neckbeards" get to enjoy this in life instead of having that, you little spaz.

Pretty sure I said xp. Nothing was said about loot. Learn to comprehend what you read.

[Nirgon]

I deserve max level with one hour to play every 2 days!!!

Fuck all of you nerds!!!


Wugggghhhhhh!!!


Cool dude, go see a shrink.

[Silverfalcon]

I deserve max level with one hour to play every 2 days!!!

Fuck all of you nerds!!!


Wugggghhhhhh!!!


Cool dude, go see a shrink.

I didn't say that either. Just a place where xp can be gotten while playing. Amazing you still are not able to comprehend simple sentences.

[Nirgon]

I didn't say anything, just fuck nerds! And I'm mad about not being max level with best in slot!

Better have a mentally ill melt down about it on the elf boards!



Wuuughhhhhhh uuhh uhh uhhh grrrr!

[Skarne]

Don’t take it personal Silver. Nirgon is an unbelievable douche. The fact is, P99 is definitely favored to those who have the time to play on a consistent basis. There are no instances and everything must be shared by the populace. Maybe it’ll cool down in a few months or year after we get more content, but for now I’d recommend finding a different game to play considering the current circumstances of the server.

[Canelek]

Nirgon is just shitposting.

Most of us playing are in similar boats. Not claiming to be more advanced that those with more free time (hell, we are all on the hamster wheel of EQ, no?), but most of the folks I have chatted with are actually pretty nice.

[Silverfalcon]

I didn't say anything, just fuck nerds! And I'm mad about not being max level with best in slot!

Better have a mentally ill melt down about it on the elf boards!



Wuuughhhhhhh uuhh uhh uhhh grrrr!

I think you may need some mental help personally. There's hotlines for that sort of stuff.

[Nirgon]

Y'all fuckin nerds can't read anything I say! I'm so damn mad! I'm trying to get away from my kids for a little while and lose it on the elf board!


Okaaaaayyy, have a good one bud.

[Horza]

Wuuughhhhhhh uuhh uhh uhhh grrrr!

https://i.imgur.com/0G1PBHd.gif

[Dremias]

While I agree with Silverfalcon’s post here, I think it was not good the dev’s did not announce this merger was happening. I like Silver, have a job, kids, wife, and responsibilities outside of P99. While I do enjoy EQ, my problem is this merger isolates players like me. Unlike in 1999, I cannot go to a low population server to play. In the end this hurts the player base because of the overpopulated zones. I have a few hours a day to play if I am lucky. Since the merger because of heavy camped areas, I have gotten ½ a bubble exp at 29. In SK literally everything has been camped (sadly by people much higher than the mobs from what I have seen).

Sadly, if this is the way it’s going to be, I will stop playing for a while because I can find better things to do than sit and wait for hours for a camp or get a group to play with.

Nirgon- It would be nice If you would actually read Silvers post before commenting….can you read? LOL

[Zekayy]

Try the blue server if you cant find exp to do on green blue is always open in terms of camps

[Silverfalcon]

Nirgon is just shitposting.

Most of us playing are in similar boats. Not claiming to be more advanced that those with more free time (hell, we are all on the hamster wheel of EQ, no?), but most of the folks I have chatted with are actually pretty nice.

This has been my experience too. Most of the people are pretty nice and are usually pretty fair about things. I know there are people who have lots of free time on thier hands. I was just pointing out that most of the people I have interacted with are like me and have jobs, family, and a limited amount of time to play and just would like to be able to actually play the game and not have to wait to play the game because someone has been camping someplace for 10 straight hours and won't give someone else a chance to play in the camp because they want to make plat selling items....

[Dremias]

https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsspfbt1HfVQ9va/giphy.gif

[Danth]

While I do enjoy EQ, my problem is this merger isolates players like me. Unlike in 1999, I cannot go to a low population server to play.

Perhaps you can; it's called "Blue." There are some forumgoers who like to belittle anyone who currently picks that server but they're easily ignored. Over the past couple months I've tinkered around on "Teal" some while also playing on "Blue" here and there and I've come to the conclusion that at this stage of my life I like what the older server offers better than the new one. "Blue" has become very casual-friendly between the good starter gear available, the fixed content with no expansion pressure or time-gated content, and the larger game world relative to the fresh servers. Low-hours players should give it strong consideration. In the longer period those "Green" characters are liable to wind up on "Blue" anyway so there may not be much difference in the end for a low-hours player who'll need 3-5 years just to get himself established.

I'll continue logging on "Green" here and there but for someone like me it's best used as a change of pace rather than a long-term home.

Danth

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/0G1PBHd.gif


Ya it's a great impersonation, was cringin.

[Canelek]

Well, to be in an emotional space that allows for joy in denying others trivial content (50s collecting orc belts etc) is one of the hallmarks of social isolation and virtual addiction forewarned by The Lawnmower Man.

http://i.imgur.com/GODyAQH.jpg (https://imgur.com/GODyAQH)

[Dolalin]

TAKP is probably a better fit for you. You can 3-box they're, I did it for awhile, it's an interesting change of pace and you bring your own group everywhere you go.

But that's never what I want P99 to be.

[Horza]

consider Blue

[Dremias]

TAKP is probably a better fit for you. You can 3-box they're, I did it for awhile, it's an interesting change of pace and you bring your own group everywhere you go.

But that's never what I want P99 to be.


Boxing is bad.... never a good thing for the game btw

[Malikail]

The real problem is the trolls dominate the forums and we have people who i do not think are actual devs but appear to be forum admins who are in full agreement with the trolls. I'm just watching at this point to see how this all turns out. I'm curious and its interesting to watch. I wish them well but i am not sure how this current path can succeed, but maybe it will. I like being surprised.

[Immok]

Unlike in 1999, I cannot go to a low population server to play.

Try Red.

[slayith]

I can play 1 hour every two days!

Give me my cloak of flames and amulet of necropotence you pricks!!!


You're like the spoiled girl in Willy Wonka.

Go enjoy your family. Some "neckbeards" get to enjoy this in life instead of having that, you little spaz.

[Kohedron]

Ya'll love to circlejerk the difficulty of EQ until it's too hard fro you

[sycopata666]

The real problem are hot spots, there alot spots with no people killing mobs, and for the factor to find group lower population servers are more problematic, if all mobs are campet this mean more groups and this mean more oportunities to take a place in a group.
Another question are people soling in hi lvl low lvl spawns for farm items, this alwais happens, no matter if server have 100 players or 1000, is the problem of this game have a economy based in platinum, especialy in early days were all nice items are tradeables, this ends lather were you can only get nice items in raids, and platinum only serve to buy twink items

[slayith]

What an obvious strawman from some prick. Acting stupid, their response isn't at all what people are saying and they know it.
But why have reasonable arguments here. Just keep displaying your manchild personality.

[Bazia]

New p99 community members are crybabies holy shit

[Skarne]

I understand what you are saying. My point was explaining why people were upset with the the merge where the admins did not even give any warning to the player base that this was happening. Things are going to be pretty tight now in a classic timeline that with Kunark nearly a year away from coming on line to give more space to people to play in.

New p99 community members are crybabies holy shit

I think most people just have high expectations, and just like with life, that leaves room for high disappointment.

[Bardp1999]

OP is a cuck

[Croco]

Then go play with your kids instead of a video game lmao

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Imagine growing up with a dweebish father who is too focused on getting 20 year old elf boots than spending time with you.

[Silverfalcon]

Imagine growing up with a dweebish father who is too focused on getting 20 year old elf boots than spending time with you.

Obviously you don't have a good understanding of the majority of the player base playing this game. I'll give you a clue it's not 13 year olds.

[Silverfalcon]

OP is a cuck

Quality contribution to the conversation...

[Silverfalcon]

New p99 community members are crybabies holy shit

Yes it's forbidden to say anything contrary to the powers that be... :eek:

[Prova]

There are like 10-20 trolls here that make up 90% of forum posts and pointlessly shape discussion towards derailed idiocy. You're absolutely not wrong and a large majority of normal people who came back to experience green, but with quite different priorities than we may have had in the past, totally relate to this post. Unfortunately those people will often be the very silent majority here.

Ultimately, Danth is quite right. This server will march on under the consistent agenda that has driven it for the last decade. Emulate classic as much as possible and completely ignore the noise. They don't want to split the population and they don't necessarily care that the population demographics make this quite a different experience than it was at 1999, given the same population. I think the fact that Teal was released in the first place is a small miracle.

[ir0nfist]

OP, I get it.

[D2scal]

Why wouldn't Nirgon be a scrub degenerate. Look at what guild he is. No name scrubs. Get a job son before daddy gets mad.

[Hazek]

Why wouldn't Nirgon be a scrub degenerate. Look at what guild he is. No name scrubs. Get a job son before daddy gets mad.

D2scal
3 posts

literal noname peasant

Lol

Nirgon is an OG

[D2scal]

He ain't shit and neither are you. Why you think people post about you SOLMN. Fag. Gtfo

[D2scal]

Hey I'm just doing what you do to other people. Man up.

[Phaezed-Reality]

He ain't shit and neither are you. Why you think people post about you SOLMN. Fag. Gtfo

https://i.imgur.com/PWwuFbI.gif

[Asteria]

How are you being kept from playing?

You just don't get the top rewards which you don't even need to group and have fun.

So entitled to top rewards with so little time. A whole new kind of try hard casual.

Learn to be a casual, happy player.

And another prick shows up.

You do understand that when you have a limited time frame to play in and every place you can play to get xp is camped...you really can't play. Is that to hard for you to understand?

Perhaps you can; it's called "Blue." There are some forumgoers who like to belittle anyone who currently picks that server but they're easily ignored. Over the past couple months I've tinkered around on "Teal" some while also playing on "Blue" here and there and I've come to the conclusion that at this stage of my life I like what the older server offers better than the new one. "Blue" has become very casual-friendly between the good starter gear available, the fixed content with no expansion pressure or time-gated content, and the larger game world relative to the fresh servers. Low-hours players should give it strong consideration. In the longer period those "Green" characters are liable to wind up on "Blue" anyway so there may not be much difference in the end for a low-hours player who'll need 3-5 years just to get himself established.

I'll continue logging on "Green" here and there but for someone like me it's best used as a change of pace rather than a long-term home.

Danth

TAKP is probably a better fit for you. You can 3-box they're, I did it for awhile, it's an interesting change of pace and you bring your own group everywhere you go.

But that's never what I want P99 to be.

consider Blue

Great points, there are so many options for classic Everquest free of charge. If you like low population servers, try Blue99 or The Al'Kabor Project(TAKP) or Project 2002.

[Asteria]

There are like 10-20 trolls here that make up 90% of forum posts and pointlessly shape discussion towards derailed idiocy. You're absolutely not wrong and a large majority of normal people who came back to experience green, but with quite different priorities than we may have had in the past, totally relate to this post. Unfortunately those people will often be the very silent majority here.

Ultimately, Danth is quite right. This server will march on under the consistent agenda that has driven it for the last decade. Emulate classic as much as possible and completely ignore the noise. They don't want to split the population and they don't necessarily care that the population demographics make this quite a different experience than it was at 1999, given the same population. I think the fact that Teal was released in the first place is a small miracle.

I think the butthurts played the game doing WHATEVER and had fun in their classic, highly populated servers. IF you played on a low pop server in classic live, then try a lower population server like Blue99 or TAKP and you'll probably be far happier if you play a Massively Multiplayer online game to barely run into other players.

If you want to re-create the past...go kill mobs ANYWHERE and stop congregating to ONLY the super populated zones with the best exp or loot expecting to accomplish all the pixel dreams of your childhood. If you can't have fun playing the game just to play it, without childhood pixel dreams of manastone, guise, constantly looting items upgrades on a populated/competitive server....and you have a successful/busy RL life with family etc, then you're probably far more weird than the average "troll" on this forumquest. :o

[Silverfalcon]

Great points, there are so many options for classic Everquest free of charge. If you like low population servers, try Blue99 or The Al'Kabor Project(TAKP) or Project 2002.

The point was starting from the beginning fresh. Not going to an already established server. Why not use the opposite viewpoint and all the people who are already 50 go to other servers until planes comes out?

[aaezil]

Theres literally hundreds of mobs sitting up untouched all day/night in your level range the problem is you are standing in a historically crowded zone waiting for people to leave who never will then posting on forums instead of going to find mobs that are up and killing them.

[Silverfalcon]

Theres literally hundreds of mobs sitting up untouched all day/night in your level range the problem is you are standing in a historically crowded zone waiting for people to leave who never will then posting on forums instead of going to find mobs that are up and killing them.

Again if you are already 50 you are at max xp and have full gear....what are you doing camping areas that 30s are level appropriate for? Why don't they leave until content is back for them to play instead of taking areas from the players who are level appropriate for them?

[derpcake2]

I didn't say anything, just fuck nerds! And I'm mad about not being max level with best in slot!

Better have a mentally ill melt down about it on the elf boards!



Wuuughhhhhhh uuhh uhh uhhh grrrr!

you are defending a group of mostly wellfare players against casual elf sim players

pretty sure if wellfare was abolished manastone camp wouldn't be as crowded

[derpcake2]

i know it has always been like that

vote trump, fuck unemployed neckbeards

[solleks]

Get free health care back pain get free oxy get free jack in the box ebt the hardest part is the alcohol but you'll find a way

[solleks]

You have anyone that would not want to see u suffer? U need to reach all time pathetic lows to fully take advantage of their cash and home if you want booze too and possibly a crash spot. Mom grandma dad grandad even your kids. Be creative

[solleks]

Once you get disability for being a 400 pound gender fluid dickless furry mental case you can start working on getting pills with your Obama Care, you'll need to wash down those pills with jack in box soda which is free. You can get fast food delivered to you

[sedrie.bellamie]

Then go play with your kids instead of a video game lmao

Quality contribution to the conversation.

this guy gets it

[Nitholias01]

The ol' Bladefrenzy argument strikes again!

Guys, he doesnt have much time to play. therefore by executive decision, can we all just say "Grats Silverfalcon" on SK mobs and get this over with.

[Silverfalcon]

this guy gets it

You have teenagers? Funny they don't really want to do things with you but you do have to get to them to all their sporting practices, go to their sporting events, and other social activities.

As said before people who have only a limited time frame to play in want to play in that time frame not wait on high levels camping stuff to leave that they don't need in the first place but they just are greed and want to line their pockets with plat...

Now you have cut the camps in half by removing a server and doubled the amount of high levels camping these camps. But yea the people trying to play the game at the appropriate level content are the problem....

As said before why don't max level players leave until planes are released so other people have the opportunity to enjoy the game content appropriate to their level or these high level can go to these mythical places that no one else hunts and they hunt them and let the appropriate level people have an opportunity to play in the level appropriate camps. But we all know the answer is the high levels just want to own the server and have 24/7 camps of all the decent stuff so they can sell the drops for their own profit...

[Aadill]

Blue is the new red.

[sedrie.bellamie]

[QUOTE=Silverfalcon;3070989]
As said before people who have only a limited time frame to play in want to play in that time frame not wait on high levels camping stuff to leave that they don't need in the first place but they just are greed and want to line their pockets with plat...
/QUOTE]

there is a person on green pre-merger that had over 100k while holding a full time job.

Farm to Tunnel is real.

I got my manastone on blue like everyone else; I ran the cleric epic for plat and bought one for 105k. Kunark came out march 2011 and epics Janurary 2012. I bought my manastone sometime about a year into kunark. Make plat and buy want you want. That is what the EC tunnel is for. Dont have time to make halls of testing? Then buy the MQ in the EC tunnel.

[Silverfalcon]

[QUOTE=Silverfalcon;3070989]
As said before people who have only a limited time frame to play in want to play in that time frame not wait on high levels camping stuff to leave that they don't need in the first place but they just are greed and want to line their pockets with plat...
/QUOTE]

there is a person on green pre-merger that had over 100k while holding a full time job.

Farm to Tunnel is real.

I got my manastone on blue like everyone else; I ran the cleric epic for plat and bought one for 105k. Kunark came out march 2011 and epics Janurary 2012. I bought my manastone sometime about a year into kunark. Make plat and buy want you want. That is what the EC tunnel is for. Dont have time to make halls of testing? Then buy the MQ in the EC tunnel.

If all I had was a job I could do that too you have a lot of spare time if you just have a job....You also had years to get plat....it's been a few months.

[cd288]

Idk. Post-merge, while here and there it's been tough finding groups on one of my characters that requires them, I also haven't seen this epidemic of higher levels who get no EXP from the mobs holding down camps.

As far as your whole thing about limited play time, etc. I think you need to accept that this is EQ. You will never be the top guy on the server with limited play time. You won't get to 50 super fast with limited play time. You won't be able to do whatever you want whenever you want. If those types of things are important to you, then you may want to check out other servers like the TLPs which have instances and/or permit boxing (if you want to sort of create your own group). If you don't want to play non those servers, then my advice to you is to enjoy the journey (sorry for the cliche).

Personally, I'm here because I enjoy EQ. I did the whole farming plat and loots and trying to get BIS and have all kinds of max level chars on Blue and it didn't make the game more fun. I have limited play time these days as well. So I stop focusing on my EXP bar and how much gear/money my char has and instead just enjoy the time I have in Norrath when I have it. And I'm having a ton of fun.

[sedrie.bellamie]

[QUOTE=sedrie.bellamie;3070996]

If all I had was a job I could do that too you have a lot of spare time if you just have a job....You also had years to get plat....it's been a few months.

based on my forum name, kunark was out already by the time i joined...

[Silverfalcon]

Idk. Post-merge, while here and there it's been tough finding groups on one of my characters that requires them, I also haven't seen this epidemic of higher levels who get no EXP from the mobs holding down camps.

As far as your whole thing about limited play time, etc. I think you need to accept that this is EQ. You will never be the top guy on the server with limited play time. You won't get to 50 super fast with limited play time. You won't be able to do whatever you want whenever you want. If those types of things are important to you, then you may want to check out other servers like the TLPs which have instances and/or permit boxing (if you want to sort of create your own group). If you don't want to play non those servers, then my advice to you is to enjoy the journey (sorry for the cliche).

Personally, I'm here because I enjoy EQ. I did the whole farming plat and loots and trying to get BIS and have all kinds of max level chars on Blue and it didn't make the game more fun. I have limited play time these days as well. So I stop focusing on my EXP bar and how much gear/money my char has and instead just enjoy the time I have in Norrath when I have it. And I'm having a ton of fun.

You know what's funny about this. Everyone always says this to the people who don't have the time to camp all day long. Why don't you take this same shitty reasoning you want to apply to casual players and apply it to the mega guilds and the people who are already 50. Tell them pricks who camp 24/7 to not worry about money and loot and enjoy the journey instead of sitting on camps all damn day....But you don't nor will your ever.

[cd288]

You know what's funny about this. Everyone always says this to the people who don't have the time to camp all day long. Why don't you take this same shitty reasoning you want to apply to casual players and apply it to the mega guilds and the people who are already 50. Tell them pricks who camp 24/7 to not worry about money and loot and enjoy the journey instead of sitting on camps all damn day....But you don't nor will your ever.

Well to do that wouldn't make sense. I'm also not sure why you're so aggressive. They have their lives and you and I have hours. If they want to do that with all their time, then that's their choice. I would encourage them not to worry about those things, but it's a bit of a different situation because, again, they can worry about those things if they want to because they have the free time.

You and I have limited play time. We can't control that. EQ is an old school MMO that requires a lot of time if you want to be BIS everything, have tons of max level characters, hundreds of thousands of plat, etc. It requires that regardless of what other people do. All those other people could stop playing altogether and it would still require a TON of time to accomplish all those things. It's the nature of the game. So if you have limited play time, as you and I do, we have two choices: (i) play a different game, or (ii) enjoy the time in-game that we have and not focus on min/maxing, BIS, how rich we are in game, etc. etc.

[Silverfalcon]

Well to do that wouldn't make sense. I'm also not sure why you're so aggressive. They have their lives and you and I have hours. If they want to do that with all their time, then that's their choice. I would encourage them not to worry about those things, but it's a bit of a different situation because, again, they can worry about those things if they want to because they have the free time.

You and I have limited play time. We can't control that. EQ is an old school MMO that requires a lot of time if you want to be BIS everything, have tons of max level characters, hundreds of thousands of plat, etc. It requires that regardless of what other people do. All those other people could stop playing altogether and it would still require a TON of time to accomplish all those things. It's the nature of the game. So if you have limited play time, as you and I do, we have two choices: (i) play a different game, or (ii) enjoy the time in-game that we have and not focus on min/maxing, BIS, how rich we are in game, etc. etc.

As I said you would never call out the mega guilds with the same reasoning you want to apply to casual players. Telling them to enjoy the game instead of worrying about loots and plat. You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

Nice job doing exactly what I said you would do.

[Evets]

Hmm I work 10 hours a day 5 days a week and have a great life for the most part away from EQ. I was able to make friends, form groups and join a good guild and level after work/on some weekend time. Granted it took awhile longer than the neckbeard powergamer but I'm level 50 with almost the best gear for my class (missing dragon loots)

With the server merge I think grouping should be even easier than it was before...

[Dremias]

You know what's funny about this. Everyone always says this to the people who don't have the time to camp all day long. Why don't you take this same shitty reasoning you want to apply to casual players and apply it to the mega guilds and the people who are already 50. Tell them pricks who camp 24/7 to not worry about money and loot and enjoy the journey instead of sitting on camps all damn day....But you don't nor will your ever.

You are exactly right. These people camping all day(even camping mobs that give them zero exp) should consider the other players and help build the community by being considerate of other players. The main problem I see is many of the people doing this just want to take control of the game and horde it.

Sadly, this will end up making people like Silverfalcon and myself leave the game. Instead of building a solid community which would result in some awesome role playing, we have the elite pricks with no life outside of P99 that ruin the experience for old school players like me. This is going to sound ugly, but understand I am making a point, I have a wife, children, a full time job, and events I attend for my family therefore unlike the basement dork, I can't wait all day to camp a mob.

[mcoy]

I haven't had an issue finding things to kill outside of the "hotspot" areas. Last night with ~1400 people on I saw 5 people in NK. There's a wide level range of mobs to kill in that zone - I remember running around targeting specific species of grif(fawns/fennnes/fons) at various levels.

Back in the day, I remember a "good" day playing EQ was one where I didn't camp out with less xp than I logged in with. Sometimes a play session was spent just working on tradeskills, or collecting quest items. I remember exploring dungeons and not knowing what mobs were where because everything would typically be dead in the popular zones.

Do some exploring (and avoid the wiki guides that everyone else is reading) and you'll find things to kill. If you die - shoot me a tell if I'm on (or a PM if I'm not) and I'm happy to run to wherever you've bitten the dust when I can get online.

-Mcoy

[cd288]

As I said you would never call out the mega guilds with the same reasoning you want to apply to casual players. Telling them to enjoy the game instead of worrying about loots and plat. You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

Nice job doing exactly what I said you would do.

So because someone, for instance, works from home and is single with no kids they should just not do anything in game? So that you can do whatever you want whenever you want?

I really don't see the logic there. And again, even if they did, you still wouldn't make much progression with limited play time because EQ is a game that takes hours upon hours to get what you apparently want (I'm assuming loads of plat, multiple max levels decked out in BIS, etc.).

So, again, when we have limited play time we could either play another game (if BIS everything, loads of currency, etc. are important factors to us), or enjoy playing the game with the limited time we have and be focused on the journey and fun rather than the overall result. I enjoy playing EverQuest and being in Norrath, even if that's grinding on mobs in some random zone without much loot or a ZEM.

[Doktoor]

Imagine growing up with a dweebish father who is too focused on getting 20 year old elf boots than spending time with you.

Do you have kids?

Kids turn into teenagers and then they do their own thing.

Did you spend hours every night hanging out with your parents when you were 16? I sure didn't...

[Nirgon]

You are exactly right. These people camping all day(even camping mobs that give them zero exp) should consider the other players and help build the community by being considerate of other players. The main problem I see is many of the people doing this just want to take control of the game and horde it.

Sadly, this will end up making people like Silverfalcon and myself leave the game. Instead of building a solid community which would result in some awesome role playing, we have the elite pricks with no life outside of P99 that ruin the experience for old school players like me. This is going to sound ugly, but understand I am making a point, I have a wife, children, a full time job, and events I attend for my family therefore unlike the basement dork, I can't wait all day to camp a mob.


Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

[Horza]

Think of all the poor autists like Nirgon, this server is all they've got.

[Skarne]

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

I applaud this response. First time I’ve seen some semblance of maturity from you on the forums.

[Silverfalcon]

So because someone, for instance, works from home and is single with no kids they should just not do anything in game? So that you can do whatever you want whenever you want?

I really don't see the logic there. And again, even if they did, you still wouldn't make much progression with limited play time because EQ is a game that takes hours upon hours to get what you apparently want (I'm assuming loads of plat, multiple max levels decked out in BIS, etc.).

So, again, when we have limited play time we could either play another game (if BIS everything, loads of currency, etc. are important factors to us), or enjoy playing the game with the limited time we have and be focused on the journey and fun rather than the overall result. I enjoy playing EverQuest and being in Norrath, even if that's grinding on mobs in some random zone without much loot or a ZEM.

See again you want to tell me with limited time to not enjoy the whole game but stick with the small part of the game and not worry about the rest of it. Apply your logic to mega guilds and the people who are level 50 already on green.

I shouldn't have to wait on level 50s camping the AC, Oggie chief in WK, or alchemist in perma when I am level appropraite trying to get the items I actually need. Why exactly should I pay a level 50 who already is fully geared for an item I can get myself and he doesn't need but wants to make plat off me because my opporutnity to get the item is nil because its being camped nonstop by high level players? Explaoin to me how this is good for the game period.

[Danth]

You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

As opposed to what else, exactly? What are they supposed to do, wave a magic wand and make the folks hoarding content move aside for you? The only people who can do that are the project admins and thus far they don't seem inclined. Barring a change of heart on the admins' part, all you can do is either enjoy the parts of the game that are realistically available to you, change servers, or quit.

A forum rant isn't wholly useless--if enough people quit, if enough people make a stink over it, changes would likely happen. I don't believe for an instant that if "Green" were to drop from, say, ~1400 peak to ~300 within a week that the admins would sit there and do nothing. Look what happened with pet windows last fall--there was a public outcry and the admins did an about-face. Problem is there isn't enough organization or enough people getting sick of things all at once to make that happen. They leave in a slow, steady trickle, never making enough noise for the folks who matter to take sufficient notice. I don't have a workable solution for that.

Danth

[Silverfalcon]

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

Maybe the answer is there should be a cap on the time one can spend at a camp in order to give other people an opportunity at these camps instead of people who have near unlimited time hogging the camp at all times of the day.

[Prova]

I was generally following you until this line of reasoning. High level campers of stuff like AC is as classic as it comes. They have the absolute right to farm this stuff, just as much as you do.

My larger gripe with the merge is of general overcrowding. I have a 4 month old and fairly low/afk playtime. I accept that my ability to secure the AC camp or rubi is probably quite low. I will admit, I was spoiled being able to generally solo in guktop or high keep for premium xp generally whenever I wanted. I just feel like that chapter in being able to waltz into the choicest zones in the game and have some opportunity to participate is going to largely evaporate. And maybe it should and maybe that's classic.

[cd288]

I shouldn't have to wait on level 50s camping the AC, Oggie chief in WK, or alchemist in perma

Ah okay I see now. I'm assuming a lot of your MMO experience has come from games like WoW? Again, this is a non-instanced game. There are positives to that and there a drawbacks to that. The bulk of the players on P99 feel that the positives outweigh the drawbacks and that's one of the reasons we are here. If you essentially want instances (and I say "essentially" because wanting to be able to do whatever you want whenever you want is really something you need instances for), there are many modern MMOs that offer those. If you want instances AND EverQuest, there are the TLP servers put out by Daybreak.

If you essentially want instances AND the closest thing you'll get to actual "classic" EverQuest, well that doesn't exist. Here on P99 you can't get everything you want right when you want it. You don't deserve anything anymore than any other player does.

[cd288]

Maybe the answer is there should be a cap on the time one can spend at a camp in order to give other people an opportunity at these camps instead of people who have near unlimited time hogging the camp at all times of the day.

Maybe we should also re-distribute everyone's wealth so everyone has the same amount of stuff (in both EQ and the real world)

[Dremias]

Ah okay I see now. I'm assuming a lot of your MMO experience has come from games like WoW? Again, this is a non-instanced game. There are positives to that and there a drawbacks to that. The bulk of the players on P99 feel that the positives outweigh the drawbacks and that's one of the reasons we are here. If you essentially want instances (and I say "essentially" because wanting to be able to do whatever you want whenever you want is really something you need instances for), there are many modern MMOs that offer those. If you want instances AND EverQuest, there are the TLP servers put out by Daybreak.

If you essentially want instances AND the closest thing you'll get to actual "classic" EverQuest, well that doesn't exist. Here on P99 you can't get everything you want right when you want it. You don't deserve anything anymore than any other player does.

Again you miss Silverfalcon's point about 50's camping mid 30 mobs. Why is this being ignored?

[kaizersoze]

Maybe instead of going to the same zones people have always gone to, they need to go to zones like Splitpaw. And actually adventure. There are plenty of zones out there if you move to them.

[Danth]

Again you miss Silverfalcon's point about 50's camping mid 30 mobs. Why is this being ignored?

Maybe you'll answer since the other guy didn't (yet): What exactly is a random forum member like cd288 or myself supposed to do about that problem? I agree that overcrowding issues are annoying, but all the agreement in the world doesn't accomplish anything in the here and now. We can't make those players stand aside any more than you can and they're not breaking any rules by being there. Folks are trying to bring up realistic options that you have control over.


Danth

[Smurflogik]

Where's that guy with the signature along the lines of "Anyone with less playtime than me is a casual who can't be bothered to work for in game-gains, anyone with more playtime than me is a hardcore loser neckbeard"?

[Canelek]

It really is just a matter of enjoying what you can find available until the population starts to decline a bit in the months preceding Kunark. I do agree with OP regarding it being quite crowded right now.

But this is basically the same thing experienced 20 years ago more or less: Available time vs. available content. Yeah the hardcore players will always have more plat and more gear. Does the time required to acquire all of the pixels generally healthy? Well, no.

Call it pay to play, but you pay with your health and sanity. ;)

[Smellybuttface]

I’d say as far as forum threads go, this has had some of the most remarkably civil and rational responses as they come.

Everquest wasn’t really ever designed with the absolute casual player in mind. I’ve played ESO, WoW, and a handful of others, and none of them have required the time commitment that EQ does. This is a game you just can’t log in and expect things to start happening for you immediately; there’s no group-finder, no quest hubs, and generally long distances to travel to even get to content. And as low as all that is on the quality-of-life meter, that’s also its charm. This world lives and breathes regardless if your online or not, so it’s unrealistic to expect people to change their behavior just because you want something. The main problem you’re faced with here is timing. There just isn’t enough for those high level characters to do in classic, so sadly areas that are meant for lower levels will get infringed upon.

I get it. I hate going to Crushbone and having a lvl 50 camping the entire throne room for belts and pads when I could be in there with 5 other people getting experience. It sucks. But unless the devs speed up the expac release schedule (unlikely), it isn’t likely to change, and in fact will probably just get worse in the 6 months we have left to go. There aren’t enough admins to try and enforce any type of camp time limit, nor would they since it’s not classic. I don’t know if you played EQ back in 1999 era, but this is much like it was then. Only difference I see is that more people now know about all the great cash camps and ZEM’s, so have crowded those areas to the limit. As has been said, I think just try and enjoy the journey. If you find you’re not, the TLP’s might be more your style (I played on Mangler for quite a while and enjoyed it).

[TripSin]

See this is the irresponsible prick I was talking about.

LMAO how am I the irresponsible one when you're the one neglecting your children for an emulator of a 21-year-old elf sim lolol

[SUBJ3KT17]

LMAO how am I the irresponsible one when you're the one neglecting your children for an emulator of a 21-year-old elf sim lolol

Do you even have children? Or A child? That lives with you?

[wagorf]

I can play 1 hour every two days!

Give me my cloak of flames and amulet of necropotence you pricks!!!


You're like the spoiled girl in Willy Wonka.

Go enjoy your family. Some "neckbeards" get to enjoy this in life instead of having that, you little spaz.

u sound like a 13 year old moron who people occasionally run into in groups

[Pootle]

Again if you are already 50 you are at max xp and have full gear....what are you doing camping areas that 30s are level appropriate for? Why don't they leave until content is back for them to play instead of taking areas from the players who are level appropriate for them?

That player has just as much right to camp a mob as you do... and there are plenty of reasons a higher level player may be camping a lower level mob.

Factioning up so they are not KOS in some city.
Farming for Tradeskills, OMG so much farming needed.
Trying to spawn quest mobs on quests they are doing.

It's been posted many times in this thread, move to uncrowded zones and exp there.

Why don't you post your class and level (and where you have tried to exp and found these level 50 people). I am sure people will make suggestions of where you can go.

[Asteria]

I’d say as far as forum threads go, this has had some of the most remarkably civil and rational responses as they come.

Everquest wasn’t really ever designed with the absolute casual player in mind. I’ve played ESO, WoW, and a handful of others, and none of them have required the time commitment that EQ does. This is a game you just can’t log in and expect things to start happening for you immediately; there’s no group-finder, no quest hubs, and generally long distances to travel to even get to content. And as low as all that is on the quality-of-life meter, that’s also its charm. This world lives and breathes regardless if your online or not, so it’s unrealistic to expect people to change their behavior just because you want something. The main problem you’re faced with here is timing. There just isn’t enough for those high level characters to do in classic, so sadly areas that are meant for lower levels will get infringed upon.

I get it. I hate going to Crushbone and having a lvl 50 camping the entire throne room for belts and pads when I could be in there with 5 other people getting experience. It sucks. But unless the devs speed up the expac release schedule (unlikely), it isn’t likely to change, and in fact will probably just get worse in the 6 months we have left to go. There aren’t enough admins to try and enforce any type of camp time limit, nor would they since it’s not classic. I don’t know if you played EQ back in 1999 era, but this is much like it was then. Only difference I see is that more people now know about all the great cash camps and ZEM’s, so have crowded those areas to the limit. As has been said, I think just try and enjoy the journey. If you find you’re not, the TLP’s might be more your style (I played on Mangler for quite a while and enjoyed it).

God...I've seen mushrooms with bigger brains....













Smelled better too! :eek:

[Asteria]

u sound like a 13 year old moron who people occasionally run into in groups

Look at you....PATHETIC! :o

[Asteria]

That player has just as much right to camp a mob as you do... and there are plenty of reasons a higher level player may be camping a lower level mob.

Factioning up so they are not KOS in some city.
Farming for Tradeskills, OMG so much farming needed.
Trying to spawn quest mobs on quests they are doing.

It's been posted many times in this thread, move to uncrowded zones and exp there.

Why don't you post your class and level (and where you have tried to exp and found these level 50 people). I am sure people will make suggestions of where you can go.

You're a Chump, partner....

But you have some decent ideas!

[Asteria]

All I hear about you is you moaning, Silverfalcon.

[Smellybuttface]

God...I've seen mushrooms with bigger brains....



I expected better of you Asteria









Smelled better too! :eek:

[Dremias]

That player has just as much right to camp a mob as you do... and there are plenty of reasons a higher level player may be camping a lower level mob.

Factioning up so they are not KOS in some city.
Farming for Tradeskills, OMG so much farming needed.
Trying to spawn quest mobs on quests they are doing.

It's been posted many times in this thread, move to uncrowded zones and exp there.

Why don't you post your class and level (and where you have tried to exp and found these level 50 people). I am sure people will make suggestions of where you can go.

And these types of players are the ones who have no sense of community or decency as a member of the EQ community. 50's camping non-level appropriate is an issue. I love how you side step it.

Let's apply your logic shall we:

1.The mobs in the camp give me(and my group) exp, therefore since you are gettinng zero exp we have a right to it.
2. These mobs drop items appropriate to my level...so level 50 move please.


The issue is prick players and people not interested in building a solid community within the game. It's amazing how you defended these actions with such good political spin. I love the just move to uncrowded zone because you can get scrapes and pay that level 50 for camping the item that you could get yourself.... love it!

Yet again the issue of 45-50 players camping 30ish camps is being ignored. Yet again this type of behavior with no respect or concern for the community is being pardoned because...well they are 50 and they are entitled.

Why was a level 48 camping Trents in SK? Why was a level 50 camping Gnoll scrolls? Why was a level 47 camping the Oggie shaman in WK? Why was the Ancient Croc camped by a 45 warrior? I never remember seeing LGuk being camped by 50's until this merger. Really? You know why...these pricks want to action the items(or in the case of Trents make easy plat) vs helping the community level.

Either way, the lifeless ones will defend their actions because EQ is their spouse, their family, and sense of accomplishment in life.

-Dremias the Criminal is out!

[cd288]

Do you even have children? Or A child? That lives with you?

I saw him on Reddit the other day calling people autistic, so I doubt it lol

[cd288]

And these types of players are the ones who have no sense of community or decency as a member of the EQ community. 50's camping non-level appropriate is an issue. I love how you side step it.

Let's apply your logic shall we:

1.The mobs in the camp give me(and my group) exp, therefore since you are gettinng zero exp we have a right to it.
2. These mobs drop items appropriate to my level...so level 50 move please.


The issue is prick players and people not interested in building a solid community within the game. It's amazing how you defended these actions with such good political spin. I love the just move to uncrowded zone because you can get scrapes and pay that level 50 for camping the item that you could get yourself.... love it!

Yet again the issue of 45-50 players camping 30ish camps is being ignored. Yet again this type of behavior with no respect or concern for the community is being pardoned because...well they are 50 and they are entitled.

Why was a level 48 camping Trents in SK? Why was a level 50 camping Gnoll scrolls? Why was a level 47 camping the Oggie shaman in WK? Why was the Ancient Croc camped by a 45 warrior? I never remember seeing LGuk being camped by 50's until this merger. Really? You know why...these pricks want to action the items(or in the case of Trents make easy plat) vs helping the community level.

Either way, the lifeless ones will defend their actions because EQ is their spouse, their family, and sense of accomplishment in life.

-Dremias the Criminal is out!

As Pootle said, those people have a right to camp those things and may be doing it for various legitimate reasons. Sure, if someone is camping the throne room in CB or the Orc camp in EC at level 50 because they are going to use them to powerlevel one of their own alts, that's very annoying.

But if someone is farming things for faction?
If someone is killing mobs to spawn a quest mob or otherwise killing mobs for a quest drop for a piece of equipment that they need?
If someone is farming tradeskill materials?
If someone is farming platinum because they need it because they're undergeared and need to by something or they need money to invest in their tradeskills?

All of those things are valid IMO. It's also kind of funny that you cite Treants in SK. If you're killing the Treants, even if they give you XP, the main reason you're there is because it's a cash camp. In many cases, you could get better XP elsewhere, but you're there because it's a lucrative camp and so you're making a tradeoff for some potentially slower XP in return for farming a lot of plat. But how dare someone else farm those Treants so you can't!!! SMDH lol

[Nirgon]

u sound like a 13 year old moron who people occasionally run into in groups

And that impersonation I did is all of you who act like OP.

[Kaedain]

all of these posts and threads about the servers are hilarious, everything needs to be perfectly balanced for people to be happy.. not going to happen.

theres to many people on the server one day, not enough people the next, everyone needs to have max out lvl and items one day, everyone has the same items and nothing to achieve the next day, come on people

play the game however you like and deal with it

[Silverfalcon]

all of these posts and threads about the servers are hilarious, everything needs to be perfectly balanced for people to be happy.. not going to happen.

theres to many people on the server one day, not enough people the next, everyone needs to have max out lvl and items one day, everyone has the same items and nothing to achieve the next day, come on people

play the game however you like and deal with it

If that was the case then people would just train the campers....but somehow that's agains the rules. So don't go with the play the game how you like bit because it's not like old EQ at all. There's the play nice rules in place to prevent it from being like old EQ. Which is what the whole issue is. There are double standards being applied here. You're saying that the people who camp all day should be allowed to do whatever they want and the people who can't...just deal with it. Personally I'd just put togther a massive train and remove the camper that has been there 8-12 hours in the same camp. Enchanters always made the best trainers...AoE stun and mezz then walk up to the camper and wait for the train. But that is agains the rules....

[Asteria]

Go find a bed to cower under! :mad:

[cd288]

If that was the case then people would just train the campers....but somehow that's agains the rules. So don't go with the play the game how you like bit because it's not like old EQ at all. There's the play nice rules in place to prevent it from being like old EQ. Which is what the whole issue is. There are double standards being applied here. You're saying that the people who camp all day should be allowed to do whatever they want and the people who can't...just deal with it. Personally I'd just put togther a massive train and remove the camper that has been there 8-12 hours in the same camp. Enchanters always made the best trainers...AoE stun and mezz then walk up to the camper and wait for the train. But that is agains the rules....

What are you talking about? Rules and play nice policies on kill stealing, training, etc. were put in place within months of launch in 1999. I don't know what "old EQ" you are talking about unless you're referring to the limited period of time right after launch in 1999 when the rules didn't exist because we had no idea that they would be necessary. We absolutely had rules in "old EQ" and I personally banned or suspended multiple people for violating them. If you're going to argue about things, you should make sure you know what you're talking about first.

[Silverfalcon]

What are you talking about? Rules and play nice policies on kill stealing, training, etc. were put in place within months of launch in 1999. I don't know what "old EQ" you are talking about unless you're referring to the limited period of time right after launch in 1999 when the rules didn't exist because we had no idea that they would be necessary. We absolutely had rules in "old EQ" and I personally banned or suspended multiple people for violating them. If you're going to argue about things, you should make sure you know what you're talking about first.

You're pretty funny...There were so few GMs around that any rules were very ever rarely enforced.

[Smellybuttface]

You're pretty funny...There were so few GMs around that any rules were very ever rarely enforced.

That’s how we got such greats as Fansy the Bard:
https://www.notacult.com/fansythefamous.htm

[Asteria]

Fansy server was opened as a Fansy-friendly server that was supposed to be self-policed by PvP at level 6+

You ain't nothin friend...

[cd288]

You're pretty funny...There were so few GMs around that any rules were very ever rarely enforced.

First off, I love how you just were proved wrong and so you tried to move the goalposts lol. It went from there were no rules, to there weren't enough GMs to enforce the rules. Nice try.

What "days" are you referring to? If you're referring to the days soon after launch, there were no rules yet. It basically depended on the GM and server in question as to whether something was punishable and what the penalty was.

As the CSR team began to realize that things like kill stealing, training, and other forms of griefing were becoming prevalent, we got together with the goal of creating rules for uniform use across all servers. There were plenty of GMs and then Guides for rule enforcement. You clearly have no idea what you were talking about.

Rules were enforced daily...as I mentioned, I banned and suspended a large number of people as did everyone else on the CSR team (even had a crazy player try to sue me for banning them for multiple kill stealing and training violations). Usually the only reason someone might get away with something is if it only happened once or twice (i.e. they trained someone once, so it was obviously not ongoing when the petition was submitted); at the time, we were somewhat limited by technology (there weren't effective video recording methods like there are today, and so if it was a one time griefing and the person didn't admit it in the chat logs, it was difficult to prove). This technological issue for limited instances of griefing had nothing to do with whether rules were enforce or the number of CSR staff that existed.

[cd288]

That’s how we got such greats as Fansy the Bard:
https://www.notacult.com/fansythefamous.htm

That was a PvP server that was set up as essentially a no rules server lol. Fansy found a way to abuse even that which resulted in changing the mechanics of the server, which was a pretty impressive feat.

[Pootle]

And these types of players are the ones who have no sense of community or decency as a member of the EQ community. 50's camping non-level appropriate is an issue. I love how you side step it.

Let's apply your logic shall we:

1.The mobs in the camp give me(and my group) exp, therefore since you are gettinng zero exp we have a right to it.
2. These mobs drop items appropriate to my level...so level 50 move please.


The issue is prick players and people not interested in building a solid community within the game. It's amazing how you defended these actions with such good political spin. I love the just move to uncrowded zone because you can get scrapes and pay that level 50 for camping the item that you could get yourself.... love it!

Yet again the issue of 45-50 players camping 30ish camps is being ignored. Yet again this type of behavior with no respect or concern for the community is being pardoned because...well they are 50 and they are entitled.

Why was a level 48 camping Trents in SK? Why was a level 50 camping Gnoll scrolls? Why was a level 47 camping the Oggie shaman in WK? Why was the Ancient Croc camped by a 45 warrior? I never remember seeing LGuk being camped by 50's until this merger. Really? You know why...these pricks want to action the items(or in the case of Trents make easy plat) vs helping the community level.

Either way, the lifeless ones will defend their actions because EQ is their spouse, their family, and sense of accomplishment in life.

-Dremias the Criminal is out!

Look, I also find it annoying when someone is cash camping, but that's the way the game is.

If you get to a camp and someone else is there before you, then its their camp, move along... you'll get more exp if you find another camp, than you will coming to the forums to cry about it.

You still haven't posted what class/level you are, and what camp it was that got your knickers in such a twist....

[supermonk]

i enjoyed this thread. thank you