Seriously what was the logic into merging Teal and Green into 1?

[kemkemal1]

The problems this has created is as follows...

Everyone knows the high ZEM zones - those zones super-camped.
People now just sitting infornt of spawns, killing 3 mobs per 18 mins.
More arguments now.
Impossible of getting a group as the groups are struggling to find mobs.
WHY, WHY, WHY????

Real EQ - has combated this and created instances so you can have like 20 instances of Seb, Lguk, etc.

You are trying to re-create classic but failing miserably!
In classic there was no list and the legacy items did not have nerfed drop rates.

If servers cost money - LMAO - Why not close RED SERVER (only 22 people) - nothing makes sense

We have moved 20 years on from original eq game and lots of other options of us to go to, why have you guys made this game like watching paint dry.

You guys are wrong if you think you have improved our gaming experience.

[Wallicker]

Half the CSR tickets

[sycopata666]

Instanced dungeons in live? I stoped play in planes of power and never experienced instanced dungeons. I experienced people clearing all the zones why at some point is better kill 3 mobs with 75 ZEM than one with 150 ZEM.
The problem are alwais the same, the expensive items, and this items camps are more overpopulated in the old everquest, than now. I remember lower guk camped 24/7 and people waiting hours to get a place in groups.

[loramin]

Servers cost money. In theory both Green and Teal could have been virtualized on the same box, not costing any extra, but that seems unlikely. And even if it was, still, running two VMs uses more juice, more bandwidth, etc. ... not to mention the fact that two servers eat up a lot more staff time also.

Look I'm sad ... no, I'm seriously bummed out about the merger. I was prepared to go without sleep for a night or maybe two if I had to: that would suck and be unhealthy, but as a "once in my life thing" I was about to do it. But I can't stay awake for three nights straight, and that means because I chose to wait a week to do a particular list, now I'll likely never complete the last of the series of goals I had for my Teal character.

But I paid exactly $0 for the privilege of being bummed out, and it seems awfully unfair to be bitter that someone is saving some money ... when that someone is already spending a ton of time and money to let me have the rest of the P99 experience (and I'm sure I'll soon get over my bummed out-edness and go back to enjoying all that).

So the merger has me bummed out, for sure ... but I certainly don't fault the staff for not wanting to light money on fire, when they're already burning a ton just to keep these three servers going ... and when again, it's not just the money, but their time too. Volunteers willing to not play, but spend time helping others play, have got to be "rarer than gold", and now at least they'll be spread between fewer servers.

P.S. And as for "why not Red?" ... live had PvP servers and non-PvP servers. It seems the P99 folks consider it to be part of their "re-creating 1999" mission to always have a PvP server going to match the non-PvP one. But there's nothing in that "mission" that requires two classic servers.

[Dolalin]

Probably to restore a classic population. 600 people per server is silly.

Contrition is a natural part of classic, deal with it.

[Phaezed-Reality]

i dunno but i'd like the forums to reflect only one server being left. need to get rid of the teal part.

[Malikail]

Probably to restore a classic population. 600 people per server is silly.

Contrition is a natural part of classic, deal with it.

well that was a bad idea, we'll ;see, maybe it will work out.

[Dolalin]

Also...


Everyone knows the high ZEM zones

Are you sure?

[aaezil]

*crybaby post about free server*

[astuce999]

I don't get why there was at least one poll, and also an announcement for Teal to be created, but no warning at all or delay before they merged.

There's definitely a large piece of the puzzle that's missing here.

I contributed almost $500USD since Green launched, so for some of us at least, it's more than "free" game. I feel that this sudden pulling-of-the-plug with no warning on Teal has shaken my confidence in the leadership, and I will be abstaining from contributing (and playing) for the foreseeable future.

I'll keep checking the forums once in a while to see how the circus is going, and probably sadly smile when the population reaches the same 500-800 sustainable level that a classic server can handle in 2020.

Anyone want to start a pool? I have some money that was just freed up.

Astuce

[galach]

I don't get why there was at least one poll, and also an announcement for Teal to be created, but no warning at all or delay before they merged.

There's definitely a large piece of the puzzle that's missing here.

I contributed almost $500USD since Green launched, so for some of us at least, it's more than "free" game. I feel that this sudden pulling-of-the-plug with no warning on Teal has shaken my confidence in the leadership, and I will be abstaining from contributing (and playing) for the foreseeable future.

I'll keep checking the forums once in a while to see how the circus is going, and probably sadly smile when the population reaches the same 500-800 sustainable level that a classic server can handle in 2020.

Anyone want to start a pool? I have some money that was just freed up.

Astuce





per Rogean:


Since the opening, the staff has kept a very close watch on the population and how the experience has been for players trying to find groups and mobs. You may recall that we polled everyone last weekend about the possibility of a second server, receiving very mixed results. Since then, we have had numerous internal discussions, taking many things into consideration, including: What we've seen from our own observing of the population of various zones; The petitions and behavior of the players; The many posts we've read on various platforms, such as our own forums, Facebook, Reddit, etc; The feedback and hesitation we've seen from people who are waiting to play due to the overcrowding; and comparing current numbers to the population of Classic Servers at the original launch of the game. It was also important to consider the affect such a population will have once the majority of players start reaching end game zones, of which there are a very limited amount, particularly in Classic. The fact is, even at concurrent numbers of 1500 to 2000, it is simply too many players for pre-Kunark. Considering all of this, it has become clear that a second server is necessary.

Therefor, we are happy to announce that we will be opening Project 1999: Teal within the next 24 hours. The goal is to keep both servers at a healthy population for the amount of content available. We will be keeping an eye on player numbers and merge Teal back into Green as soon as the combined population is appropriate for the current content, whether that be in weeks, months, or years.

[Octopath]

per Rogean:

So if this re merge fails to work due to over population would it be out of the question for the servers to be split again?

[Malikail]

So if this re merge fails to work due to over population would it be out of the question for the servers to be split again?

apparently these statements are suicide pacts, not reevaluated as time goes on. Watching from a distance this is hilarious, up close its a bit more of a calamity i suppose. Someday it will make sense why this is less popular than some might expect, hindsight is always 20/20

[Budder]

600 ppl is PLENTY for a classic server, almost too much as you’re still having issues with finding groups or running into camped hot spots. Now double that and you got a clusterfuck all over again. Should have waited till Kunark at the soonest. Oh well...

[Octopath]

Last night pop was nearly 1500

[Malikail]

Last night pop was nearly 1500

Good I hope. Hopefully it continues and is stable, then the community will eventually reform and it will be fun again.

[Zeboim]

servers had 400 pop or les not classic, high zem zones are overcrowded go somewhere else

bet theres no group in kedge right now, learn how to play

Nobody is gonna actually go anywhere else and you're a fool if you think they will

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

Nobody is gonna actually go anywhere else and you're a fool if you think they will

I am literally watching people go other places. Just shut the fuck up already and move on to another game.

[dareo]

I started just as the merge happened. I'd rather they stayed apart but if the goal of P1999 is to emulate the real experience of 1999-2000 EQ then having too many people is part of it. I used to play Tunare Server and 2000 people online was fairly normal. Back then if you even got into any Lguk group at all it was a great day. we'll see how this goes.

[Malikail]

Nobody is gonna actually go anywhere else and you're a fool if you think they will

Fact: i already quit, installed other emu over my P99 installations. If i even wanted to log in it would take hours and im not that motivated ever

[Canelek]

To be fair, it isn't just high-ZEM zones that are affected. It is every zone that has something that offers something to kill.

It is very similar to the seafury nerf on blue that caused all of the previously-contained-in-one-area weirdos to do their weirdo things elsewhere.

[Frug]

Good I hope. Hopefully it continues and is stable, then the community will eventually reform and it will be fun again.

It'll decay for awhile. They always do.

What remains to be seen is how the server recycling changes things, but I'm wagering a long term death. The nostalgia hit has been satisfied for most of the people who care about it, there isn't a LOT of new blood coming in, and the autist /list campers are progressing one funeral at a time.

[Frug]

Fact: i already quit, installed other emu over my P99 installations. If i even wanted to log in it would take hours and im not that motivated ever

Where ya headed? (Honest question) I never played it but PEQ has respectable P99 like numbers. EQ-Reborn seemed like it held promise, but it's in the P99-red levels of population, and that's with some people 2-boxing.

[Malikail]

Where ya headed? (Honest question) I never played it but PEQ has respectable P99 like numbers. EQ-Reborn seemed like it held promise, but it's in the P99-red levels of population, and that's with some people 2-boxing.

Probably back to shards of dalya, that's where i came from. To be honest i'm having trouble getting into it. I was drawn to blue by the awesome community that existed before green launch, i very much want to see that community revived, kinda depressing w/o it so this weekend i was playing starflight 2, lol its like 30 years old but fun.

[Zekayy]

Servers cost money. In theory both Green and Teal could have been virtualized on the same box, not costing any extra, but that seems unlikely. And even if it was, still, running two VMs uses more juice, more bandwidth, etc. ... not to mention the fact that two servers eat up a lot more staff time also.

Look I'm sad ... no, I'm seriously bummed out about the merger. I was prepared to go without sleep for a night or maybe two if I had to: that would suck and be unhealthy, but as a "once in my life thing" I was about to do it. But I can't stay awake for three nights straight, and that means because I chose to wait a week to do a particular list, now I'll likely never complete the last of the series of goals I had for my Teal character.

But I paid exactly $0 for the privilege of being bummed out, and it seems awfully unfair to be bitter that someone is saving some money ... when that someone is already spending a ton of time and money to let me have the rest of the P99 experience (and I'm sure I'll soon get over my bummed out-edness and go back to enjoying all that).

So the merger has me bummed out, for sure ... but I certainly don't fault the staff for not wanting to light money on fire, when they're already burning a ton just to keep these three servers going ... and when again, it's not just the money, but their time too. Volunteers willing to not play, but spend time helping others play, have got to be "rarer than gold", and now at least they'll be spread between fewer servers.

P.S. And as for "why not Red?" ... live had PvP servers and non-PvP servers. It seems the P99 folks consider it to be part of their "re-creating 1999" mission to always have a PvP server going to match the non-PvP one. But there's nothing in that "mission" that requires two classic servers.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh in 1999 eq had lots of servers

[kjs86z]

man these tears are delicious

consider blue today!

[Bazia]

Teal was dead as fuck, God bless staff who rescued my characters from dead ass teal. Only people crying wanted uncontested pixels.

Teal deserved to be euthanized based on it's EC tunnel alone.

Blue classic EC was never empty like that.

[Zekayy]

man these tears are delicious

consider blue today!

this

[TripSin]

I don't get why there was at least one poll, and also an announcement for Teal to be created, but no warning at all or delay before they merged.

There's definitely a large piece of the puzzle that's missing here.

I contributed almost $500USD since Green launched, so for some of us at least, it's more than "free" game. I feel that this sudden pulling-of-the-plug with no warning on Teal has shaken my confidence in the leadership, and I will be abstaining from contributing (and playing) for the foreseeable future.

I'll keep checking the forums once in a while to see how the circus is going, and probably sadly smile when the population reaches the same 500-800 sustainable level that a classic server can handle in 2020.

Anyone want to start a pool? I have some money that was just freed up.

Astuce

I think for all the people like you who are complaining, stepping away from the game would be a healthy choice for you.

But in all likelihood you're all going to keep playing even with all your crying. But if you don't, good for you, cya.

[loramin]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh in 1999 eq had lots of servers

And your point is ...? Are you trying to argue that the P99 admins should create exactly as many servers as live had ... with like 20 people on each?

Obviously Blue/Green (and Teal /mourn) were meant to represent all non-PvP servers, and Red is meant to represent all PvP ones.

[Xeddzul]

I started just as the merge happened. I'd rather they stayed apart but if the goal of P1999 is to emulate the real experience of 1999-2000 EQ then having too many people is part of it. I used to play Tunare Server and 2000 people online was fairly normal. Back then if you even got into any Lguk group at all it was a great day. we'll see how this goes.

I was a Tunare guy myself. Agreed that towards the end of classic the 40-50 dungeons were tough to get groups in. It didnt seem that bad pre-planar as P99 is but that's likely cause we were all scrubs back in the day.

[KungFusion]

I think the logic is that it'll make more toxic players go away and stop playing... we dont need your complaining. Many people are having a great time here.

[Zekayy]

And your point is ...? Are you trying to argue that the P99 admins should create exactly as many servers as live had ... with like 20 people on each?

Obviously Blue/Green (and Teal /mourn) were meant to represent all non-PvP servers, and Red is meant to represent all PvP ones.

Yes I am, your words P.S. And as for "why not Red?" ... live had PvP servers and non-PvP servers. It seems the P99 folks consider it to be part of their "re-creating 1999" mission to always have a PvP server going to match the non-PvP one. But there's nothing in that "mission" that requires two classic servers. the mission in 1999 had many servers we should have has many we can

[bubur]

rog is working on his groundbreaking phd in social science, and soon his name will be synonymous with freud and jung and socrates

[Yawgmouth]

Okay, well, this whole thing sucks. Now it says I can't log in on Green either because my US_Spells file isn't up to date. I was really enjoying myself. The population seemed just fine. I really don't get it and reloading EQ just seems to be too much work just to be on an over crowed server.
So, anyone having a similar problem with the us_spells file?

[Domisk]

Okay, well, this whole thing sucks. Now it says I can't log in on Green either because my US_Spells file isn't up to date. I was really enjoying myself. The population seemed just fine. I really don't get it and reloading EQ just seems to be too much work just to be on an over crowed server.
So, anyone having a similar problem with the us_spells file?


https://www.project1999.com/files/P99Files53.zip

[Kanuvan]

lol its simple really, there was never meant to be another server, never meant to be a "instance" for you to farm legacy items freely, classic eq is waiting in line for the best items so if you wanted free farming you should be paying a monthly subscription to daybreak games for retail

teal was simply a temporary congestion server, im surprised it lasted aslong as it did tbh

[Baler]

Having more fun on P99 than I've had since green launch.

The heck is wrong with people.

Set realistic goals

[bum3]

I was a Tunare guy myself. Agreed that towards the end of classic the 40-50 dungeons were tough to get groups in. It didnt seem that bad pre-planar as P99 is but that's likely cause we were all scrubs back in the day.

I was tunarian myself. I remember lguk being over camped 2-3 months before kunark. But not 10 months away. 6 months away from kunark and I had frenzy to myself almost any night i wanted during primetime.

[cd288]

People now just sitting infornt of spawns, killing 3 mobs per 18 mins.

You guys are wrong if you think you have improved our gaming experience.

Did you play EQ back in 1999? Welcome to classic my dude! 3 spawns per 18 minutes was actually quite solid back in the day lol. People used to kill like 4 an hour in the 22 minute respawn dungeons and that was considered a solid camp.

If you want to min/max your EXP per hour and do whatever you want whenever you want, you may want to try the instanced TLPs (which you mentioned in your post).

[cd288]

i say that cuz the concept behind changing the list items droprate...at the end of the day that can only boil down to someone not wanting everyone to have it rather than "classic"

if something is classic, and you make it unclassic...there has to be a reason...and honestly what is the only reason to change it besides wanting to control the item count/not wanting others to have em?

i have my list items idc, the concept still remains unless im missing something

For someone who "has their list items and doesn't care" you sure seem to care a lot.

[Yawgmouth]

Thank you Domisk. A simple copy and paste. No hassle. Thank you for being amazing.

[cd288]

Nobody is gonna actually go anywhere else and you're a fool if you think they will

Really? Because it's already happening. Saw two groups in Highpass last night, for example, which has been dead for awhile. Saw full groups in the Karanas killing bandits, which had been only duos or soloers for weeks now. Saw a group or two in Permafrost when it's been totally dead pre-merge. Saw Befallen way more populated than it has been in the past few weeks as well.

Also, pre-merge we saw this same thing. People grouping all over the place outside the high ZEM dungeons. People camping dervs in Ro, grouping to kill Centaurs in SK, hitting up Runnyeye, etc. etc.

[Jazzy]

People crying cos no longer getting easy pixels
Cry moar dudez lol

[lordpazuzu]

lol its simple really, there was never meant to be another server, never meant to be a "instance" for you to farm legacy items freely, classic eq is waiting in line for the best items so if you wanted free farming you should be paying a monthly subscription to daybreak games for retail

teal was simply a temporary congestion server, im surprised it lasted aslong as it did tbh

It seems like a lot of folks that went to Teal weren't treating it like that. We were all told it was going to be a temporary solution to alleviate congestion until the launch rush subsided. The launch rush has subsided. Maybe it would have helped if Rogean or someone had posted target numbers for re-merge? A lot of folks obviously have an idea as to what constitutes a full server that is in conflict with the admins and the rest of us.

I feel like there was a general feeling on Teal that Green is/was this horrible, uber-toxic train wreck, which was never the case. If anything the Teal folks on this forum are far more guilty of jackassy, elitist behavior than those from Green (poopsocker!), so there's a bit of projection there.

Teal is gone. It's all one server now. People need to figure out how to get along and compete with everyone else.

[cd288]

It seems like a lot of folks that went to Teal weren't treating it like that. We were all told it was going to be a temporary solution to alleviate congestion until the launch rush subsided. The launch rush has subsided. Maybe it would have helped if Rogean or someone had posted target numbers for re-merge? A lot of folks obviously have an idea as to what constitutes a full server that is in conflict with the admins and the rest of us.

I feel like there was a general feeling on Teal that Green is/was this horrible, uber-toxic train wreck, which was never the case. If anything the Teal folks on this forum are far more guilty of jackassy, elitist behavior than those from Green (poopsocker!), so there's a bit of projection there.

Teal is gone. It's all one server now. People need to figure out how to get along and compete with everyone else.

I think people misunderstood the whole congestion rationale and assumed that meant basically everywhere in the game, in particular the most popular spots. The congestion issue Teal was created to alleviate was when everyone was the same level early on such that you had level 2 characters camping single mob spawn points. Teal was created when the server was averaging 2k+ at prime time. We are nowhere even close to that now.

Teal was not created so that you can waltz into Unrest, Guk, Mistmoore, etc. and find an immediate group. Or so that you can plop your solo character down at the most lucrative camps in the game whenever you want.

The primary congestion issues no longer exist. Sorry that people are upset they can't group immediately in the ZEM highway zones or that their favorite and well-known plat camping spots are being taken by other players, but this isn't an instanced version of EQ and that's not why they had created Teal.

[Wooted]

People crying cos no longer getting easy pixels
Cry moar dudez lol

Most people saying this are likely ultra casual and are still level 30 or have no intention on playing end game.

[cd288]

All the goals the children set involve waiting in line for legacy items which got harder now since they are mad

the 2 new servers didnt attract any new players, just made the existing ones want literally the same overcamped items and they all went to exp in the same overcrowded zones.

Yup

[Yawgmouth]

Out of the hundreds of people playing this game right now, I think it is a small percentage of peeps complaining about how hard life is in this game. Of course I found this game again only about a month ago. I thought Teal was permanent and was surprised when I found myself unable to log on and Teal was gone. My fault for not reading back in time. I play for nostalgia and because it's difficult. The small percentage that want it easier or "more fair" ruined it back in the day and would ruin it now for the majority if these amazing server managers just gave in to every complaint. Hey, I appreciate what is being provided and the intent. Take a breath and enjoy the game and keep it in prospective, it's free and there's plenty of other games to play if you don't like this one. Just MHO.