Rogean Have Mercy

[loramin]

Dear Lord Rogean,

I'm sure merging the servers means half as much work for you, and that's awesome (really; we all make so much work for you and anything to reduce that is great).

But please, please keep in mind that the merger now means every /list will be 2x as long ... and lists already required 48+ hours without sleeping. I've already suggested my pet fix (cap lists, wait on a second list for a random chance to get on first), but this isn't about my pet fix or anyone else's.

Please, fix it however best appeals to you ... but please do something about lists. Please don't make us go 4+ days without sleep :(

[Uuruk]

stop fucking crying

[Cpm2580]

Joining a list camp is completely optional and not required to enjoy the game. Want sleep? Don’t join the camp.

[BenDerisgreat]

I was going to take Tuesday off from work to camp a guise. Guess that’s off the table now.

[Albanwr]

Dear Lord Rogean,

I'm sure merging the servers means half as much work for you, and that's awesome (really; we all make so much work for you and anything to reduce that is great).

But please, please keep in mind that the merger now means every /list will be 2x as long ... and lists already required 48+ hours without sleeping. I've already suggested my pet fix (cap lists, wait on a second list for a random chance to get on first), but this isn't about my pet fix or anyone else's.

Please, fix it however best appeals to you ... but please do something about lists. Please don't make us go 4+ days without sleep :(

No one is MAKING you do anything.

[loramin]

God, you all are pedants.

OF COURSE no one makes you do a list ... but that fact has nothing to do with the unrelated fact that it's stupid to make people stay awake for four days straight to play (an optional part of) an online game.

[TripSin]

God, you all are pedants.

OF COURSE no one makes you do a list ... but that fact has nothing to do with the unrelated fact that it's stupid to make people stay awake for four days straight to play (an optional part of) an online game.

> Of course no one is forcing people to do optional things in a video game
> Stop forcing people to do optional things in a video game

Lmao wtf???

[loramin]

> Of course no one is forcing people to do optional things in a video game
> Stop forcing people to do optional things in a video game

Lmao wtf???

You're right, my post makes absolutely no sense ... when you just stop reading in the middle:

... to play (an optional part of) an online game.

Look, y'all keep the pedantry coming: it doesn't change a thing.

[TripSin]

You're right, my post makes absolutely no sense ... when you just stop reading in the middle:



Look, y'all keep the pedantry coming: it doesn't change a thing.

??? You on that good stuff today?

[loramin]

Do you not speak English? In the English language one can say something like "... forced to do X IF they want to do Y".

My post said players were "forced" if they wanted to do an optional thing ... which anyone with basic English comprehension should have been able to, well, comprehend to mean that they're not actually forced to do said thing.

[Horza]

Want sleep? Don’t join the camp.

Sounds healthy.

[Baler]

Loramin I hear you and honestly sympathize to the plaints you've brought forth.

Sadly the reality is, which was discussed prior to even green launch. You need someone to play your character while you work and sleep. In order to stay on the list. Even the legit good people I know of who don't rnf etc do it this way. :(

As to, if rogean will adjust the list system to deter this behavior is unsure.

[loramin]

Loramin I hear you and honestly sympathize to the plaints you've brought forth.

Sadly the reality is, which was discussed prior to even green launch. You need someone to play your character while you work and sleep. In order to stay on the list. Even the legit good people I know of who don't rnf etc do it this way. :(

Right, I know that's an option, and I'm lucky enough to have an IRL friend (coming over shortly IRL, as it happens) who I might be able to talk into helping me.

But look, I really don't think Rogean created lists (or any other part of P99) to only be for people with partners of some sort. So my hope is that he'd prefer to see a system that doesn't require that (or a single person going four days without sleep).

[Albanwr]

God, you all are pedants.

OF COURSE no one makes you do a list ... but that fact has nothing to do with the unrelated fact that it's stupid to make people stay awake for four days straight to play (an optional part of) an online game.

you are more intelligent than this.

[Octopath]

It wouldn’t be fair to change list at this point. As long as afk checks are in place list will work itself out just like it has when servers are split.

Please don’t make any changes to list Rogean.

I do wish you would split servers back though

[loramin]

you are more intelligent than this.

Ok, I'll bite: what's so completely moronic about me thinking people should be able to participate in every aspect of P99 without A) a real life partner, or B) going without sleep for four days.

Seriously, can anyone actually explain what is so stupid about that, or are you all just going to continue insult me?

(On the plus side, at least that one buried some praise in too, so ... thanks?)

[douglas1999]

Right, I know that's an option, and I'm lucky enough to have an IRL friend (coming over shortly IRL, as it happens) who I might be able to talk into helping me.

But look, I really don't think Rogean created lists (or any other part of P99) to only be for people with partners of some sort. So my hope is that he'd prefer to see a system that doesn't require that (or a single person going four days without sleep).

There really isn't a good solution. The whole point of having lists is that the items are highly sought after and it gives everyone a chance to get one. Any solution would involve there simply being more, which devalues the items and detracts from their prestige. And yeah people can joke about how this game is 20 years old all they want but people ARE listing up for four days straight to get these things

[loramin]

There really isn't a good solution. The whole point of having lists is that the items are highly sought after and it gives everyone a chance to get one. Any solution would involve there simply being more, which devalues the items and detracts from their prestige. And yeah people can joke about how this game is 20 years old all they want but people ARE listing up for four days straight to get these things

I've already proposed a very simple one: two lists.

First list has AFK checks, and has a limit (say five people). Second list has no limit and no AFK check. Whenever a slot frees up in list #1, a random person from list #2 joins it.

Under such a system everything works exactly the same ... except that instead of participation in the system requiring you to "go without sleep for days" it instead requires you to be willing to "keep trying even if you keep losing random rolls ..."

... which is to say, it makes lists work like everything else in the game, instead of some special reward for people with real life partners or people who don't sleep for four days.

[Darkyle]

just don't discontinue manastones or pre nerf guises imo, so much unclassic shit as is (the way in which they are even obtained). I don't care either way have a stone on blue and not that interested in green

[SamwiseRed]

Cringe

[12point]

is it common knowledge or ever confirmed that drop rates were nerfed with the spilt? mabye common drops will be common now

[aaezil]

People with no friends dont get manastones sorry rogean designed it to punish losers

[12point]

People with no friends dont get manastones sorry rogean designed it to punish losers

Winners don't let their real friends know they play this game

Edit: Winners don't play this game

[Wallicker]

MM(ultiplayer)ORPG

[zillabunny]

The only people pew pewing any ideas are people who are swapping off accounts and have multiple people logging for the camp kinda lame imo

[loramin]

MM(ultiplayer)ORPG

LOL I don't think account sharing was meant to be a prerequisite for that "M", but I give you points for at least making an argument (and quite succinctly) :)

[Baler]

is it common knowledge or ever confirmed that drop rates were nerfed with the spilt? mabye common drops will be common now

Llandris stated that the rates were not changed with the split.

[kjs86z]

consider blue

[12point]

Llandris stated that the rates were not changed with the split.

well that's a bummer

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

Let’s just remove these toxic list items early.

[Baler]

Let’s just remove these toxic list items early.

lol, I can already see the backlash if they did this.

What gets me is it's people's own fault for waiting months after launch to get in line for these items. I was at jboots camp the 2nd week of green. then manastone some time shortly after. I have 3 jboots, 2 guise and 1 manastone within the first month and a half.

I don't even humor the idea of sitting in any of these lines again for any reason.

If you're after manastone, farm plat and buy one before the drops end. <-it's more sane and possibly faster.

[Misek84]

So happy i alrdy got my manastone

[zaneosak]

Loramin is one of my go to good posters on p99 forums but I can't sympathize. Not everybody is suppose to get ultra rare items. Lists were created because of how toxic and manipulative p99 became. At least people that want to be loser neckbeards have the option. No matter how ridiculous it is. I find it equally ridiculous that people would want to participate in the list system for an item in a video game as I do people the system in which they must subject themselves to accomplish it. Also if they had prioritized a way to stop account sharing the list would be so much faster to go thru cuz people would fall asleep or have real life to do and get knocked off the list. But we know that's part of p99 at this point.

[Skinnah]

#thuglife

[casino777]

Loramin is one of my go to good posters on p99 forums but I can't sympathize. Not everybody is suppose to get ultra rare items. Lists were created because of how toxic and manipulative p99 became. At least people that want to be loser neckbeards have the option. No matter how ridiculous it is. I find it equally ridiculous that people would want to participate in the list system for an item in a video game as I do people the system in which they must subject themselves to accomplish it. Also if they had prioritized a way to stop account sharing the list would be so much faster to go thru cuz people would fall asleep or have real life to do and get knocked off the list. But we know that's part of p99 at this point.

These servers would be far better if they had decided to not allow account sharing and could enforce it.

[Falindorf]

Here is an Idea. Instead of killing off Teal how about killing off that piece of crap Red server with a max pop of 20ish including boxers and put Teal on that Server

[kaizersoze]

Its fun to start over to get all the no longer dropping items for your blue accounts, right?

[Skinnah]

Here is an Idea. Instead of killing off Teal how about killing off that piece of crap Red server with a max pop of 20ish including boxers and put Teal on that Server

I approve this message.

[BurtMacklinFBI]

Why do you need a manastone to sit at lodi for 2 weeks straight or camp 10 driftwood trunks anyway?

[douglas1999]

Everyone keeps saying there was no advanced warning but they literally told everyone that teal and green would merge back together, and that it *might* be at kunark but that it would ultimately depend on the populations of the two servers. It literally just happened today, give it some time and everything will reach a natural equilibrium sheesh. And you dont HAVE to grind exclusively in highkeep and unrest you know.

[Natewest1987]

lol, I can already see the backlash if they did this.

What gets me is it's people's own fault for waiting months after launch to get in line for these items. I was at jboots camp the 2nd week of green. then manastone some time shortly after. I have 3 jboots, 2 guise and 1 manastone within the first month and a half.

I don't even humor the idea of sitting in any of these lines again for any reason.

If you're after manastone, farm plat and buy one before the drops end. <-it's more sane and possibly faster.

Lol. People’s own fault for not having the time or instability required to camp out 6 list items. Server launch was an absolute shit show. If you made it to list by second week then you were of the lucky few who got into the right spots at the right times.

[Tecmos Deception]

stop fucking crying

It's rare uuruk and I agree.

But Jesus!

[TripSin]

So happy i alrdy got my manastone

it's gonna keep that bank spot nice and warm once kunark is out :D

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Loramin you are better than this (I think.)

[loramin]

Loramin you are better than this (I think.)

This must be the nicest thing you've ever said to me on this forum :)

Look, I really don't get all the hate. I'm totally ok with removing, or with never having list items in the first place (in fact, the latter would have been my preference, given that we're unclassically nerfing other stuff way in advance).

But IF we're going to have them, what is so wrong with wanting them to work like anything else in the game which is even remotely similar? With the goblin or scout rolls, with the best raid loot, with the rarest epic camps ... you put in your time and hope for good luck. And even in classic, with classic, GM-enforced, lists ... that's how it worked!

So what is so wrong, on a server designed to emulate live, with wanting lists to be more like live? And also like everything else in EQ/P99? Why do list items have to be some special reward that's only for people who don't sleep for four days or have friends playing their account? That's all I want to know.

[zaneosak]

Everyone keeps saying there was no advanced warning but they literally told everyone that teal and green would merge back together, and that it *might* be at kunark but that it would ultimately depend on the populations of the two servers. It literally just happened today, give it some time and everything will reach a natural equilibrium sheesh. And you dont HAVE to grind exclusively in highkeep and unrest you know.

I would venture to guess that they wanted the population to be a certain amount in and around certain level ranges. They probably monitored this closely and realized that he 850 green added with 750 teal minus those playing both came out to the number they wanted and decided to merge. We had 1300 on prime time on a Sunday after the merge. Where it was like 1400-1500 the previous days combined. So maybe 10% of the population was 2 boxing both. Perhaps they wanted the server pop between 1k and 1500 combined and got where they wanted it.

[Zeboim]

Shame on you for not spending 36 hours of your christmas holiday sitting in a dungeon for rare pixels

[kelsoider]

Would it be considered RMT to hire a team of nerds to camp it for me?

[BlackBellamy]

I'm on a list right now. I just clicked the AFK box and in about 4 mins I find out if I move up to the #1 spot. Meanwhile I'm watching the teevee. Oh it's so hard.

[Bazia]

Seriously lists were fast as hell for months.... Blame yourselves

[loramin]

Seriously lists were fast as hell for months.... Blame yourselves

Oh I do. I was literally about to /list last week, decided "the item isn't going away in a week, I can wait one more", and screwed myself over. There is massive self-flagellation here.

But none of that changes the fact that infinite lists are unclassic, and unclassically benefit account sharers. Now (with the merger), it's to the extent on some lists that a single player literally cannot do them without going for multiple nights in a row without sleep (something no doctor would ever advise).

Changing /lists to include an element of randomness makes them more classic (live GMs, the classic list maintainers, clocked out after 8 hours), makes it so people can sleep, and ... perhaps most importantly of all ... makes list items work like every other desired item in the game: not guaranteed to the most pathetic (some of whom are the very same people who cry about "welfare pixels"), but won by combination of perseverance and good luck.

[yeetngreet]

Sure are some perfectly sane & normal replies in here.

[Uuruk]

Just checking in to see if Loramin still crying like a little bitch

[BurtMacklinFBI]

I’m still curious why a manastone is that necessary to show up to one raid a year ?

[TripSin]

Just checking in to see if Loramin still crying like a little bitch

Which list item is it he's crying about? Someone enlighten me please. The manastone? These people need lives.

[Lord Mockery]

My wife and I are new, and really don't care about getting flamed. Here is what we see if anyone cares. The people saying git gud, already have the items and guild membera who will camp the zone for them. So they dont care. Here is what we dont get, it would be one thing if people got the item and left. But the it seems like the no lifers or guilds who can canp the items to sell them. How is this not the real problem? Can we not have a 1 week timer on some drops for a character?

Otherwise, all these new people you see joing are probably going to come to the same conclusion we have. That the top tier guilds are shit holes of greed and we wont see anything that requires 48 hours to camp. In the end we probably wont stick with the game.

Flame away

[Visual]

You are just the wrong guy to be making a thread like this, Laura. Most of us Teals feel the same way about the merge. Just doesn't sound good coming from the dude who constantly posts about stuff he wants in game and tries to pass it off as being better for everyone.

[TripSin]

Here is what we dont get, it would be one thing if people got the item and left. But the it seems like the no lifers or guilds who can canp the items to sell them. How is this not the real problem?

I'm not sure if you and your wife know this, but you don't need a manastone to play the game.

[Nirgon]

You're lucky for your own interests he even did the non classic split

I was against it

[cd288]

Surprised this wasn’t moved to RnF

[Nirgon]

If we can't get a mana stone in 2 hours, we quittin

(I don't have one or need one, most classes dont)

[loramin]

Just doesn't sound good coming from the dude who constantly posts about stuff he wants in game and tries to pass it off as being better for everyone.

Just curious, what do I ever post about wanting in-game except more classic P99? I mean yes, I've done one list, and I'd like to do another ... so that somehow invalidates my opinion?

Even if I had no personal participation whatsoever in lists, I'd still think a better and more classic system is a better and more classic system.

[Visual]

I'd still think a better and more classic system is a better and more classic system.

Don't you also argue for non classic things like GM enforced rotations? Sorry, might have you confused with someone else.

I am with you on this one though, as are all the people I know from teal.

[loramin]

Don't you also argue for non classic things like GM enforced rotations? Sorry, might have you confused with someone else.

I am with you on this one though, as are all the people I know from teal.

I do :) GM-enforced rotations are both classic and unclassic, depending on which server you're talking about and what mobs/what point in the timeline you're talking about.

For instance, Sleeper's and VP were of course never rotated in the classic era, but on some servers Vox/Naggy were. On my server (Bristlebane) Vox/Naggy were rotated, but not until Luclin (we had a message board where you could "raffle" for a shot at them, and I won the right to lead a Vox raid ... which ended up being one of my fondest memories on live).

And then there's Blue. When we compare it to say Bristlebane, of course that server got Luclin raid targets and we won't. So it comes down to what part of classic do you want to emulate, the part where the "AA crowd" got to monopolize content initially, of the part where the rest of the server got to see if after awhile? To me this place is not, or at least shouldn't be just about re-creating EQ for the 1% who have the good fortune to be able to "out-compete" the other 99%.

So getting back to the live comparison, yes Velious and earlier mobs are apples, and Luclin mobs are oranges, and you can't compare them. But we've had what, 8+? more years of raiding Kunark mobs than live ever had? The same players have alt after alt full of BiS loot: we've gotten crate after crate of apples!

So even if we don't have any oranges, maybe it's time to start doing what Live did when they had less than one crate of oranges. But again, it's not clear what is/isn't classic so I never say rotations are or aren't, I just argue that they're classic enough to be appropriate, and I think they would be more fun for almost everyone here.

[thesoundofmerk]

jesus man, you are on this forum way too much complaining about things that you want to be different, play the game, take a break, there is a whole world out there. List items arent even that important of a thing. its stupid to complain about it, they made a system, it got exploited by guilds, what else is new? move on, I never got any legacies and i wanted some, but it didnt happen, no big deal

[sedrie.bellamie]

was Anonymous ever able to kill raid mobs?

[stormsinger]

There should be a server created for people who have jobs.

[bum3]

Don't you also argue for non classic things like GM enforced rotations? Sorry, might have you confused with someone else.

I am with you on this one though, as are all the people I know from teal.

Tunare had GM forced rotations. When guilds tried to impose themselves on a agreed upon rotation they were removed, temp banned in some case, and in 1 case a guild was disbanded completely.

[Hyjalx]

Want to know why the population has been steadily decreasing?

Look no further than lists.

I have a full guild of EQ players from p99 playing WoW atm, with zero interest in playing on a non-classic EQ EMU for the most important items in the game. Even Blue was ruined with Rooted Dragons.

What is sad is, most of us would probably return if any of these servers went by a classic rule set. and I'm sure there are many others that feel this way.

I mean who cares right. This only upsets a large portion of p99's loyal fanbase that has supported this project from the start.

Expect this trend to continue

[Issar]

English, motherfucker. Do you speak it? In the English language....

Fixed. That is all I have to offer this thread.

Also, love your work Loramin. Thanks for being an awesome part of the community.

[skipdog]

Literally everybody knew that the servers would merge eventually.

Quit crying.

[Uuruk]

Fixed. That is all I have to offer this thread.

Also, love your work Loramin. Thanks for being an awesome part of the community.

Thanks for being a crybaby.

Fixed

[Issar]

Thanks for being a crybaby.

Fixed

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[Asteria]

There should be a server created for people who have jobs.

It's called planet Earth or RL by many. :) The jobs folks will always be tourists in Norrath if they value their Earth playtime or want a better job etc.