Blue has overtaken teal

[kaluppo]

This is the first time I have ever seen Blue outnumber teal. Blue is at 645 and teal is at 640. I guess it makes sense though. Classic EQ has relatively little to do for end game so once you hit 50 then what? Wait months for Kunark while killing time on Blue I guess.

[Tecmos Deception]

MMOs were better before people came up with the concept of "endgame."

That said, the only people who are out of things to do on green or teal are probably either 1) unimaginative and boring, or 2) playing for 14 hours a day since launch.

[Siege]

Leveling spots start to dry up long before 50 in vanilla EQ. Now is the time to get all of your alts into their 30s. Then you can start playing the real game when Kunark hits.

[98bcobra]

It most likely because stuff is in window or poping on Blue.

[Tilien]

It most likely because stuff is in window or poping on Blue.

It is far more likely due to the fact Teal and Green have had dropping populations since November and Blue's population has remained relatively static. Sure Blue has a boost on the weekends, but so does Teal.

[Daloon]

When 2 major guilds with 100+ people have dragons in window, population tends to raise. Blue is still dead.

[Tuljin]

MMOs were better before people came up with the concept of "endgame."

[Issar]

It is far more likely due to the fact Teal and Green have had dropping populations since November

Teal wasn't even released until November third. You're saying that the population started declining when the servers launched? What is it with you people? Green and Teal have781 and 654 players logged in respectively at this moment, and it is an NFL playoff Sunday. The sky isn't falling and we still don't need to merge.

[Tilien]

Teal wasn't even released until November third. You're saying that the population started declining when the servers launched? What is it with you people? Green and Teal have781 and 654 players logged in respectively at this moment, and it is an NFL playoff Sunday. The sky isn't falling and we still don't need to merge.

Sure the lower population in the last week of November is skewed due to the holiday, but yea, over the course of November Teal's population was declining. It just wasn't as big of a hit as December was. Teal's peak weekend population is about 2/3 of what it was the weekend after it was released.

I'm not saying Teal is dead, but yea... Teal's population has been in decline since launch. Same with Green. It hasn't reached cataclysmic levels, sure, I was just stating that the reason why Blue is higher today than Teal is not because Blue has had a resurgence, but because Teal has been declining. Are you arguing that 654 is approximately equal to the 1065 Teal had the weekend after it's launch?

[Albanwr]

people thinking teal is failing with 600+ people online, however they never tell us how dead blue is with 500-600 with WAY MORE CONTENT. The whole of blue zones are graveyards. 150+ in EC out of 500ish online.

Teal is fine, stop it.

[Jubal]

Teal had more than Green for a couple hours this morning.

[apeBits]

Man these posts are long in the beard.

[derpcake2]

Sure the lower population in the last week of November is skewed due to the holiday, but yea, over the course of November Teal's population was declining. It just wasn't as big of a hit as December was. Teal's peak weekend population is about 2/3 of what it was the weekend after it was released.

I'm not saying Teal is dead, but yea... Teal's population has been in decline since launch. Same with Green. It hasn't reached cataclysmic levels, sure, I was just stating that the reason why Blue is higher today than Teal is not because Blue has had a resurgence, but because Teal has been declining. Are you arguing that 654 is approximately equal to the 1065 Teal had the weekend after it's launch?

Looking at the last 6 datapoints on the graph you provided it seems the population has stabilized over the last month.

Initial interest was bound to wear for some, others have hit 50 and are taking a break (me), but your graph did well to indicate that the server pop is indeed stable.

Can move to resolved.

[Swish]

pop is indeed stable.

[Tilien]

Looking at the last 6 datapoints on the graph you provided it seems the population has stabilized over the last month.


Just to be clear: 6 data points is 6 days. 6/7ths of a week does not a month make. It's interesting you can actually see waveyness to the line and those spikes correlate to weekends.

I still haven't said Teal is dead, weird how people get defensive when they see the population has dropped from release like... yea, it would drop from release everyone who cared about p99 knew about Green release basically. It'll be interesting how planes effects the trend, but I think Kunark will be the real test of how many people are on Blue holding out for iksar.

[Swish]

Green/Teal might die a few months into Velious and everyone will be getting ready to receive their G/T characters on blue with items there, most likely.

[zodium]

"merge servers" is the new "try red"

ugh

[Glasken]

Can we just ignore these posts? Its usually the same silly trolls posting them anyway.

[Frug]

Teal had more than Green for a couple hours this morning.

I doubted your assertion based on my hourly graphs, but I do see some instances where Teal>Green, at least based on eqemulator.org's population reporting.

It looks like the 00:00, 01:00, 03:00, and 08:00 hours, Teal had at least one moment of higher population than green at the same time in that hour. The difference was never more than 36. It should be noted that based on the MAX population of the hour for both servers, Teal didn't exceed green ever.

[Frug]

Can we just ignore these posts? Its usually the same silly trolls posting them anyway.

If only you were not forced to read them....

Honestly, as a numbers geek, I enjoy seeing the different trends. I'll agree that using them as basis to "merge" or "split" or "try red", etc. are tiresome.

[cd288]

MMOs were better before people came up with the concept of "endgame."

That said, the only people who are out of things to do on green or teal are probably either 1) unimaginative and boring, or 2) playing for 14 hours a day since launch.

Eh Idk if I'd agree with that. For me, I played a class or two on Green that I've never played on Blue. So once I'm done with those guys, there's not much for me to do on Green in the pre-Kunark and pre-planar era when gear is pretty limited.

Farm plat? Why? The servers will all eventually merge into Blue where I have plenty of plat.

Farm gear? As I said, the classic-era gear is pretty limited in terms of things that would be very good upgrades or otherwise aren't perma-camped.

Roll alts? Just to play a class I already have on Blue when I could just go play that alt on Blue?

[Malikail]

Eh Idk if I'd agree with that. For me, I played a class or two on Green that I've never played on Blue. So once I'm done with those guys, there's not much for me to do on Green in the pre-Kunark and pre-planar era when gear is pretty limited.

Farm plat? Why? The servers will all eventually merge into Blue where I have plenty of plat.

Farm gear? As I said, the classic-era gear is pretty limited in terms of things that would be very good upgrades or otherwise aren't perma-camped.

Roll alts? Just to play a class I already have on Blue when I could just go play that alt on Blue?

Exactly I couldn't agree with you more. I keep waiting for this guy you've quoted to tell me what his characters names are so I can add them to my ignore list in game. His way of looking at things is something I've been at odds with since the days of live.

[kjs86z]

consider blue

[Tecmos Deception]

Exactly I couldn't agree with you more. I keep waiting for this guy you've quoted to tell me what his characters names are so I can add them to my ignore list in game. His way of looking at things is something I've been at odds with since the days of live.

I have basically just been saying "have friends, have a good guild, explore and enjoy the game." And that's something you've been at odds with for the last 20 years?

What the hell are you even here for then? Lol.

[Malikail]

I have basically just been saying "have friends, have a good guild, explore and enjoy the game." And that's something you've been at odds with for the last 20 years?

What the hell are you even here for then? Lol.

I'm in a good guild. Friends? not interested. Friendly acquaintances in an online game I will do. There was a character I played with for years, player was named Carl. Character was Kodaan or denarel on povar. He died. His death caused me a good deal of pain and was the direct result of his own actions and habits that I knew nothing of cuz I didn't know him in real life so no I'm not interested in forming any kind of emotional attachment with anyone online that would grant them the title friend in my world but acquaintances are welcome.

Actually I do get what you're saying. I'm playing the other side and I'm telling you why I'm bored. I'm going to go level an the enchanter out of boredom.

Your argument is basically that I need to have friends and go sit in a group and help them get their stuff done and then I'll have fun. The thing is that's kind of dull when we're dealing with dungeons that are 20 years old that we spent a ton of time in back in the day.

And I cannot reiterate this enough. This is the most empty and boring time period between release and vellios end. That is simply objectively true there is less to do in the game now then there will be later. Realizing this I'm perfectly content having only being here to have my characters be level 50 when Kumar is released.

What really does bother me is that it destroyed blue. The economy is a dead at least some players are starting to return maybe it'll pick back up. Otherwise maybe I'll go try swg Legends until something is added to the game for me to do.

[suptoofs]

I'm in a good guild. Friends? not interested. Friendly acquaintances in an online game I will do. There was a character I played with for years, player was named Carl. Character was Kodaan or denarel on povar. He died. His death caused me a good deal of pain and was the direct result of his own actions and habits that I knew nothing of cuz I didn't know him in real life so no I'm not interested in forming any kind of emotional attachment with anyone online that would grant them the title friend in my world but acquaintances are welcome.

Actually I do get what you're saying. I'm playing the other side and I'm telling you why I'm bored. I'm going to go level an the enchanter out of boredom.

Your argument is basically that I need to have friends and go sit in a group and help them get their stuff done and then I'll have fun. The thing is that's kind of dull when we're dealing with dungeons that are 20 years old that we spent a ton of time in back in the day.

And I cannot reiterate this enough. This is the most empty and boring time period between release and vellios end. That is simply objectively true there is less to do in the game now then there will be later. Realizing this I'm perfectly content having only being here to have my characters be level 50 when Kumar is released.

What really does bother me is that it destroyed blue. The economy is a dead at least some players are starting to return maybe it'll pick back up. Otherwise maybe I'll go try swg Legends until something is added to the game for me to do.

I have one question.

When Kumar is released, will he go to White Castle?

[Malikail]

I have one question.

When Kumar is released, will he go to White Castle?

Lol I hate autocorrect.

[zodium]

MMOs were better before people came up with the concept of "endgame."

That said, the only people who are out of things to do on green or teal are probably either 1) unimaginative and boring, or 2) playing for 14 hours a day since launch.

strong agree on all counts

fake edit: although if you played 14 hours a day you'd have been out of things to do by like mid november lmao

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm in a good guild. Friends? not interested. Friendly acquaintances in an online game I will do. There was a character I played with for years, player was named Carl. Character was Kodaan or denarel on povar. He died. His death caused me a good deal of pain and was the direct result of his own actions and habits that I knew nothing of cuz I didn't know him in real life so no I'm not interested in forming any kind of emotional attachment with anyone online that would grant them the title friend in my world but acquaintances are welcome.

Actually I do get what you're saying. I'm playing the other side and I'm telling you why I'm bored. I'm going to go level an the enchanter out of boredom.

Your argument is basically that I need to have friends and go sit in a group and help them get their stuff done and then I'll have fun. The thing is that's kind of dull when we're dealing with dungeons that are 20 years old that we spent a ton of time in back in the day.

And I cannot reiterate this enough. This is the most empty and boring time period between release and vellios end. That is simply objectively true there is less to do in the game now then there will be later. Realizing this I'm perfectly content having only being here to have my characters be level 50 when Kumar is released.

What really does bother me is that it destroyed blue. The economy is a dead at least some players are starting to return maybe it'll pick back up. Otherwise maybe I'll go try swg Legends until something is added to the game for me to do.

You're like someone who jumps in a pool on purpose, then complains that they don't really enjoy getting wet, then gets all bent out of shape when someone says "well then why did you jump in the pool?"

[Malikail]

You're like someone who jumps in a pool on purpose, then complains that they don't really enjoy getting wet, then gets all bent out of shape when someone says "well then why did you jump in the pool?"


Not at all and you addressed not one single thing I said. I find that amusing as I find it amusing that your signature also goes to another point I'm making this isn't being made for us so nobody cares how we feel about it. I wouldn't pay for this let me just be clear about that so it's good that it's free isn't it?

[Malikail]

You're like someone who jumps in a pool on purpose, then complains that they don't really enjoy getting wet, then gets all bent out of shape when someone says "well then why did you jump in the pool?"

On second thought I think you're right. This Pool isn't for me. I went and read the rules for project 2002 and while I'm not a fan of luclin or pop those rules are a lot more my cup of tea than the way people act about this server. As always it's as classic as they want it to be. The dev team is way too involved here and you can see it in the rules and they have a nice little cult following that wants force everyone into groups in the dungeons so this is definitely not my place. Thanks turns out you were helpful after all, what a surprise, especially since it's obvious the one thing you weren't trying to be is helpful. :-)

[Fammaden]

K bye.

[TripSin]

On second thought I think you're right. This Pool isn't for me. I went and read the rules for project 2002 and while I'm not a fan of luclin or pop those rules are a lot more my cup of tea than the way people act about this server. As always it's as classic as they want it to be. The dev team is way too involved here and you can see it in the rules and they have a nice little cult following that wants force everyone into groups in the dungeons so this is definitely not my place. Thanks turns out you were helpful after all, what a surprise, especially since it's obvious the one thing you weren't trying to be is helpful. :-)

Bye Felicia.

If you're not enjoying it, you should find something else to do with your time. This would not only be just in your own interest, but in the interest of everyone playing and involved with this emulator.

You said you feel like you're just playing the same old zones over and over. If that's what you feel like, again, just go do something else. At some point, when a game is nearing 21-years-old you gotta just say you're done with it.

I played live right before Kunark dropped so for me even though I'm playing the same class I did in live (though I'm considering making an alt soon), most of the stuff I've been doing and zones I've been exploring are very new to me. As much as the aim of P99 might be to provide a "classic" experience, it really isn't. It just can't be in 2020 with a bunch of veteran players who are very knowledgeable about the game, who now have access to tons more information and tons more tools, and access to far superior hardware than we had back in the day.

[Tecmos Deception]

Thanks turns out you were helpful after all, what a surprise, especially since it's obvious the one thing you weren't trying to be is helpful. :-)

That you didn't like the advice you were offered doesn't mean I wasn't trying to be helpful. You seem to be looking for the bad in p99, and go figure, that's what you end up finding. Good riddance :-)

[Malikail]

That you didn't like the advice you were offered doesn't mean I wasn't trying to be helpful. You seem to be looking for the bad in p99, and go figure, that's what you end up finding. Good riddance :-)

I don't have to look too hard to find what's bad around here it's right there in your signature. And yeah good riddance to you too my bad rubbish

[Tecmos Deception]

I don't have to look too hard to find what's bad around here it's right there in your signature. And yeah good riddance to you too my bad rubbish

You didn't even have to look as far as my sig. It's literally the stated goal of the project to recreate classic EQ. If that isn't your cup of tea, then you're in the wrong place. It shouldn't have taken you 11 months to figure that out.

[Malikail]

You didn't even have to look as far as my sig. It's literally the stated goal of the project to recreate classic EQ. If that isn't your cup of tea, then you're in the wrong place. It shouldn't have taken you 11 months to figure that out.

You are amazingly dense for someone who can write complete sentences. This isn't classic EQ and they didn't recreate it there were no list in classic EQ there are a number of other things that are different this is only as classic as they want it to be. Reality is that I was only here because of the large number of players which is no longer present. And of course to deal with wonderful little trolls like yourself. I actually respect though I do not like the dev team because they're making what they want for themselves and you have to respect that even though it's not my cup of tea. My goal in life isn't to play a monk in a group in lower guk enjoy yourself.

Not even close to classic, played then, this ain't it.

[Zeboim]

Shit or get off the pot already, you're making me tired just watching your mental gymnastics routine.

[Tethler]

You are amazingly dense for someone who can write complete sentences. This isn't classic EQ and they didn't recreate it there were no list in classic EQ there are a number of other things that are different this is only as classic as they want it to be. Reality is that I was only here because of the large number of players which is no longer present. And of course to deal with wonderful little trolls like yourself. I actually respect though I do not like the dev team because they're making what they want for themselves and you have to respect that even though it's not my cup of tea. My goal in life isn't to play a monk in a group in lower guk enjoy yourself.

Not even close to classic, played then, this ain't it.

It's not for everyone. If you can get past all the boxing, have fun on p2002.

[Tecmos Deception]

This isn't classic EQ and they didn't recreate it there were no list in classic EQ there are a number of other things that are different this is only as classic as they want it to be.

The p99 staff backwards engineered like 99+% of the classic mechanics, but you (and a few others) still manage to bitch incessantly about the few things they put in for their convenience or personal preference rather than just GTFOing if you really hate it so much.

:confused:

[Fammaden]

Most people on the forums don't actually give a shit about classic/not-classic, they just use the argument as a kludge to attempt to force their opinion on things they hate which are included or things they want but aren't available.

[Mblake81]

MMOs were better before people came up with the concept of "endgame."

Yep.

UO: Skill based, online novelty.
EQ: A high fantasy D&D world.
DAOC: High fantasy PVP focused Realm vs. Realm
Shadowbane: Fantasy Guild vs. Guild
SWG: Skill based MMORPG set in the SW universe.
Earth & Beyond: 3 faction space exploration MMORPG.
The Matrix Online: (ughh) Kung fu silliness in cyberspace.

WoW: Fantasy theme park, needs more rides after riding the rides.
Puts the entire genre in a vacuum that nothing else can escape or exist in (including Pantheon).
I am Mr.T and I am a Night Elf Mohawk.
https://i.imgur.com/uTbBvU2.png

I would also go on to say that online interaction with developers have also screwed the dog. I didn't know who made my favorite PC games or anything else. I never considered logging on to a site to bitch, complain or squeal about what needs to be done. Their game was good or it wasn't. I think this is because we were coming from a time before the Internet could fix all problems with enough time given. Also consider that the same people, or type of person, will be the ones chewing the developers ears and as a result most of the games look or play the same way.

I do it now as well. Only I am not talking to any developers directly, do not participate in Q&A sessions nor do I really care if my opinions are heard. What I do participate in is mostly reactionary. I am content to not know anyone that makes something I enjoy and to ignore anyone or the games that do not interest me. The wild card here is online modders which is the only reason I ever picked up Oblivion. Modding is put in the uninterested category when its done the way it is now, which is online cash shops for skins. Buzz off Big Company, you suck.

[Tecmos Deception]

Add city of heroes to the list of really cool games that weren't caught in the endgame trap. Even DDO (initially) was fantastic, despite coming a couple years AFTER WoW.

[Tecmos Deception]

since everything is known.

By like 3 people.

You're either super imperceptive or lying to yourself if you play P99 for an extended period of time and still believe that more than a tiny group of people actually have it all figured it out. The number of people who do stuff like, use str debuffs on mobs as a chanter, or who cast heat blood on a mob that's at 20% in a group of 6, don't know any of the major tricks, don't know about many of the great items, etc., is QUITE significant. And the number of people who know only some of that stuff is fairly most of the rest. And again, the number who know it ALL is nearly zero.

I'm not the best player, but I like to think I'm pretty dang good. I play a boatload, and have been since blue's classic (and live, of course). I still run into areas of the game I'm not at all familiar with on a regular basis, mobs I've never seen or killed before, tricks I didn't know about, etc. If this is the case for me, I'm quite certain it is for almost everyone.

[Mblake81]

By like 3 people.

You're either super imperceptive or lying to yourself if you play P99 for an extended period of time and still believe that more than a tiny group of people actually have it all figured it out. The number of people who do stuff like, use str debuffs on mobs as a chanter, or who cast heat blood on a mob that's at 20% in a group of 6, don't know any of the major tricks, don't know about many of the great items, etc., is QUITE significant. And the number of people who know only some of that stuff is fairly most of the rest. And again, the number who know it ALL is nearly zero.

I'm not the best player, but I like to think I'm pretty dang good. I play a boatload, and have been since blue's classic (and live, of course). I still run into areas of the game I'm not at all familiar with on a regular basis, mobs I've never seen or killed before, tricks I didn't know about, etc. If this is the case for me, I'm quite certain it is for almost everyone.

Or not being 100% specific with my words. When I said that I wasn't thinking of each and every obscure mechanic in the game. No, I am thinking about the wiki being all of the information compiled in one location (and even that is not convenient enough for some and want a map put in the game to literally pull them around by the nose).

No searching through a bunch of sites, comparing information and tid bits to figure something out. The wiki tells you mob location (because we are talking about lists), timer, 100% known loot drops and maybe even the percentage of its rarity. It used to have the going tunnel prices as well.

Edit: I deleted that post. I was ranting anyway. It's the certainty factor, EQ was a game of uncertainty. Even the connection to the game was uncertain.

Add city of heroes to the list of really cool games that weren't caught in the endgame trap. Even DDO (initially) was fantastic, despite coming a couple years AFTER WoW.

Point taken.

[Nirgon]

Lot of people in EC tunnel on blue

More people actually playing on other servers besides red

(People weren't interested in non classic xp loss on death, lack of item loot and stock EQ emu resist/PvP code.... among "other things" that happened)

[Immok]

MMOs were better before people came up with the concept of "endgame."

I would argue that EQ invented the concept of the endgame. Before that, most MMO type games relied on pvp as a major cource of content (Meridian59, UO). Since Everquest was primarily a pve game, the hardcore would always gobble up the content and then bitch about having nothing new to do.

[cd288]

Lot of people in EC tunnel on blue

More people actually playing on other servers besides red

(People weren't interested in non classic xp loss on death, lack of item loot and stock EQ emu resist/PvP code.... among "other things" that happened)

Wut

[Nirgon]

/who in east commons

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

The p99 staff backwards engineered like 99+% of the classic mechanics, but you (and a few others) still manage to bitch incessantly about the few things they put in for their convenience or personal preference rather than just GTFOing if you really hate it so much.

:confused:

Quoted for truth.

Seriously, if this isn’t classic enough for you and you’re not happy, hit the road.

You won’t be missed.

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

less then 400 on blue green teal

no red server, very sad, very boring, waiting in line, zerging the only raid content

Red servers are shit.

Go away

[Frug]

less then 400 on blue green teal

no red server, very sad, very boring, waiting in line, zerging the only raid content

I hear RoZ 2.0 is lovely this time of year.

[Nisse]

On second thought I think you're right. This Pool isn't for me. I went and read the rules for project 2002 and while I'm not a fan of luclin or pop those rules are a lot more my cup of tea than the way people act about this server. As always it's as classic as they want it to be. The dev team is way too involved here and you can see it in the rules and they have a nice little cult following that wants force everyone into groups in the dungeons so this is definitely not my place. Thanks turns out you were helpful after all, what a surprise, especially since it's obvious the one thing you weren't trying to be is helpful. :-)

Buh-Bye

[Malikail]

Red servers are shit.

Go away

So is the size of your player base spread out across three servers at the moment. I'm getting a good chuckle just out of stopping back at the forums watching the burn and I'm curious if it'll improve when kunark is released because I might come back. This was to be expected, but watching you militant intolerant closed minded individuals ranted everyone who's a little unhappy with the way it's going is highly amusing and entertaining.

By the way I'm not going to go away it's too much fun watching this dumpster fire on the forums. If that bothers you, you leave.

[Malikail]

Buh-Bye

Already uninstalled but bye-bye I'm just watching the dumpster fire on the forums it entertains me. Reality is you had 150-200 hundred players on blue and close to a thousand on green and teal a month ago. The bitterness as people leave is fun to watch.

[Frug]

Red servers are shit then why is your server dying faster then any server ever created?

red servers maintain their population much longer because its more fun, you guys just wait in line and cry, we slaughter eachother and fight over camps. If they launched a good vs evil server would be 1k + for months

All 25 of you?