(TEAL) #1 at jboots petitions GM to force others to help

[jwaltz]

When #1 never asked for help, and they are a high level, well-geared SK in a top guild who can solo the room.

After GM shows up and leaves after making some generic statements #3 asks:
"Hey, if you need help why not just ask for it instead of petitioning?"

No response.

#3 and #4 are boggled.

I thought the brain-dead druggies were on Red, or maybe Green, but now Teal?

[Fammaden]

What did the GM say?

[jwaltz]

GM said if you are #1 you must participate, and other people should help. When asked some questions about specifics, no answer, then poof gone. Probably ticking the box of answering a silly petition and giving the "official response" so they can move on to real petitions.

[Bardp1999]

a GM would not force you to help clear the camp, but its also pretty dumb if you are not helping for the sake of being a prick

[zillabunny]

Name and shame!!

[shuklak]

Typical p99er. Nothing unusual here.

[Richco07]

I'm willing to bet this person was in Lineage.

[supermonk]

i did said camp as a lvl 26 bard. when i held the #1 spot, i had a 25 monk a 44 rogue and like a 44 mag who were helping me clear PH...i didn't ask, but they were helping cause i assumed they weren't typical p99 scum. then a beautiful thing happened. as if on cue right before one random PH cycle, both the rogue and mage went AFK. naturally me and the monk died. i chuckled bc it was beautiful planned on their part. luckily by the grace of the EQ gods i made it back to the camp with <1m left before getting kicked from my spot. sadly the monk barely lost his #2 spot and re-queued in line at #7 because 3 more people magically showed up on our CR. their coup d'etat was well executed, but afterwards i brought the gang cause i wasn't fallin for that shit again. the moral of the story is: go into these camps thinking everyone after you will and try to gank your spot. hope you have some friends nearby!

[GinnasP99]

Storytelling needs work, where's the juice ?

[Prova]

Was a 50 human SK in Kingdom. Forget name.

[TripSin]

Was a 50 human SK in Kingdom. Forget name.

check the logs???

[Chocolope]

Why do you need to be asked to help in a camp your listed for?

[Nirgon]

Pls link logs of this encounter.

Subscribed.

[Evets]

Camp it when you can solo it. Don't depend on internet strangers to help you ever.

[Evia]

Camp it when you can solo it. Don't depend on internet strangers to help you ever.

What lvl can you solo it would you say? As both paladin and necro?

[Fammaden]

A 50 SK can wreck that camp without any help. Sounds like the dude had read to many forum threads wailing about the #1 mooching afk without engaging the EE, then somehow decided it also worked in the opposite direction and he should act like a prick towards all the level 30 somethings sitting behind him at jboots.

[dspity]

i did said camp as a lvl 26 bard. when i held the #1 spot, i had a 25 monk a 44 rogue and like a 44 mag who were helping me clear PH...i didn't ask, but they were helping cause i assumed they weren't typical p99 scum. then a beautiful thing happened. as if on cue right before one random PH cycle, both the rogue and mage went AFK. naturally me and the monk died. i chuckled bc it was beautiful planned on their part. luckily by the grace of the EQ gods i made it back to the camp with <1m left before getting kicked from my spot. sadly the monk barely lost his #2 spot and re-queued in line at #7 because 3 more people magically showed up on our CR. their coup d'etat was well executed, but afterwards i brought the gang cause i wasn't fallin for that shit again. the moral of the story is: go into these camps thinking everyone after you will and try to gank your spot. hope you have some friends nearby!

The morsel of the story is Morsel.

Morsel

[Nuggie]

Can't be that many 50 sk's to choose from....

[311junkie]

OP is leaving out the full story here. I know this because I'm the one who petitioned his slack ass.

What OP fails to mention is that earlier in the morning he had #1 list slot and did nothing but stay invis behind the wall while the SK in #2 slot cleared pops. This guy was a ranger probably barely at the minimum list level that clearly wouldn't be able to handle the camp.

I petitioned him then, but he went LD and lost his position anyway. Ain't karma a bitch? Anyway, the GM must have shown up later to issue the warning. I wasn't around to see it but I heard he started helping out once the GM said some words so I'd say it was a success.

Next time don't be a fucking slacker, Doacyn.

Love,

Rixx

[Furitor]

I debated posting this because "lmao RnF". But thanks Rixx for giving me that push.

Helping out is not what I would call what he was doing. He made the barest minimal effort to actually help. He made sure to have a /say macro saying "Healing X"... probably to make sure he was "helping" in logs.

Would not have minded if he hadn't also been a jerk the whole time and literally posting this blaming in the middle of the camp (20-30 minutes after GM came), without evidence, the SK who was actually courteous the whole time. Blaming people based off guilds. Sounds about right for RnF.

FYI this was a Ranger in Rubi BP + some other rubi pieces. I forget what else he had but either it was a Yak (or more likely a Sword of Morin). So let's be honest, not his first list camp.

Sucks to be the rest of the people who had to carry him. I heard he got his boots tho. Grats Doacyn.

Made sure to add to no res lists + no port lists, tho. Bye.

[Fammaden]

Fuckin rangers going after jboots, eat a dick.

[Noren]

Hello,

I'm the one who was #2 when he was #1.

Someone warned me of the situation when I was listed #4.
#3 and #2 left.

As a lvl 35 ench I had no problem clearing the camp solo, which he couldn't.

We cleared the camp, he was helping and was nice in /g.

I was a little angry that I was cleaning the camp for someone
else, moreover for a ranger lvl 25 that really don't need it.
I told him that, peacefully I think. He told me his reasons (gcd,...) which I did not agree, but hey I make stranges choices too.

Anyway, there was nothing I could have done, so we kept clearing the camp. After 6h he got his boot and wished me luck.
Rng God was kind cause I got mine 3 spawns later.

I was prepared for that list :
- waited lvl 35 to do it.
- I took my day off and had 18h to camp the boots.
- I woke up early Euro time, so US people were leaving and Euro were not there.

List are not fair, but the whole EQ system revolve about grouping. So if someone is entitled to join the list, I'd say : help him.
If the guy is an ass (not helping, talk trashy...) the only thing u can do is petition.

Good luck everyone :)

Oups Ench 35.

[Fawqueue]

Hello,

I'm the one who was #2 when he was #1.

Someone warned me of the situation when I was listed #4.
#3 and #2 left.

As a lvl 35 ench I had no problem clearing the camp solo, which he couldn't.

We cleared the camp, he was helping and was nice in /g.

I was a little angry that I was cleaning the camp for someone
else, moreover for a ranger lvl 25 that really don't need it.
I told him that, peacefully I think. He told me his reasons (gcd,...) which I did not agree, but hey I make stranges choices too.

Anyway, there was nothing I could have done, so we kept clearing the camp. After 6h he got his boot and wished me luck.
Rng God was kind cause I got mine 3 spawns later.

I was prepared for that list :
- waited lvl 35 to do it.
- I took my day off and had 18h to camp the boots.
- I woke up early Euro time, so US people were leaving and Euro were not there.

List are not fair, but the whole EQ system revolve about grouping. So if someone is entitled to join the list, I'd say : help him.
If the guy is an ass (not helping, talk trashy...) the only thing u can do is petition.

Good luck everyone :)

Oups Ench 35.

Would have been a much better story if it went like this:

I'm the one who was #2 when he was #1.

Someone warned me of the situation when I was listed #4. #3 and #2 left. I realized right away that this guy was probably a douche for coming to a camp that, at level 25, would normally require you to bring a group of your own, and then being aggressive about people helping him and petitioning. Instead, he decided to cuckold the rest of us into a group against our will.

As a lvl 35 ench I had no problem clearing the camp solo, which he couldn't because at level 25, you need to bring your own group.

We cleared the camp, he was helping and was nice in /g. Now granted, his help constituted a lot of frenetic movement and button mashing without really any meaningful contribution, since he's a level 25 Ranger and I could have solo'd the camp myself with ease.

I was a little angry that I was cleaning the camp for someone else, moreover for a ranger lvl 25 that really don't need it. I told him that, peacefully I think. He told me his reasons (gcd,...) which I did not agree, but hey I make stranges choices too.

Anyway, I thought there was nothing I could have done, so we kept clearing the camp. Then I realized "Hey, this guy pulled a bullshit move by forcing me into this, so let's take a step back and see how he handles things alone". When Drelzna popped, I let him start it then cast invis and watched. He died, and because he was a melee he had to run a bit. He was struggling against the clock, desperate to make it back in the time allotted, and ended up struggling to get passed the entrance mobs in time. He was removed from the list, now I'm #1, and he learned a valuable lesson about bringing a god damn group or at least a friend or two if you can't actually defeat the mob solo.

[Noren]

That was the story of #3, #4.

But GM said :
”GM said if you are #1 you must participate, and other people should help. "

The choice was :
- Trying to get him killed, but is answer would be to not attack mobs till I attack em.
If he died, because I went invis or even gate, the guy would have call a gm , resulting in more drama and maybe me losing my #2.

- Or help him, cause I had plenty of time.

- Or leave the camp cause I have better things to do than working for some other guy. But I took my day off to camp this...

But I totally understand your point, the guy used me. Which he was entitled to do by entering list and gm answer.
That's why it's not fair.

[Fawqueue]

That was the story of #3, #4.

But GM said :
”GM said if you are #1 you must participate, and other people should help. "

The choice was :
- Trying to get him killed, but is answer would be to not attack mobs till I attack em.
If he died, because I went invis or even gate, the guy would have call a gm , resulting in more drama and maybe me losing my #2.

- Or help him, cause I had plenty of time.

- Or leave the camp cause I have better things to do than working for some other guy. But I took my day off to camp this...

But I totally understand your point, the guy used me. Which he was entitled to do by entering list and gm answer.
That's why it's not fair.

You could get around #1 by letting him get comfortable, start the fight when Drelzna spawns, and then gate out and say "shit, rl emergency 5min". He'll die, you can run right back in to retain your position, and as far as anyone else is concerned you had to go. Real life trumps games, isn't that what we always say?

[Noren]

As I said he would have call a gm, resulting in me losing my rank on list.
Or maybe not, who knows ?

The min lvl for this list should be 35, but ATM it's not.

The guy used the system, and looking at RnF he is not alone.

[Chocolope]

where you at op... dont run already...

[Noren]

And look at that :
https://wiki.project1999.com/List_Command

So I can just make a toon and get to the minimum level, not participate in any way shape or form of camping the mobs that drop the item, and still get loot rights simply because I'm in level range and not afk...

Game on.

. I'm sure you will be hearing from myself or my wonderful Guides if that situation occur

Guide did not that. He should have been booted the ranger of the list.

[Ashenden]

He told me his reasons (gcd,...) which I did not agree, but hey I make stranges choices too.

How do you not agree though? Jboots are the best clicky GCD for every class in Plane of Fear and Plane of Hate, and still the best one for most classes in Plane of Sky. Which is all of the content in classic that isn't a couple of super weak dragons or a fish that mages can duo/trio.

[311junkie]

As I said he would have call a gm, resulting in me losing my rank on list.
Or maybe not, who knows ?

The min lvl for this list should be 35, but ATM it's not.

The guy used the system, and looking at RnF he is not alone.

He was petitioned before when he was #1 on the list and not helping. Your situation is many hours later when he finally got back into the #1 slot for the second time.

I can't imagine a GM removing you from the list for not carrying some lowbie alt who thinks he's entitled to the item just because he reached the minimum level.

[loramin]

I love how having to help a stranger (while you're literally doing nothing but waiting in a line) is like the worst thing ever in this thread.

[Tethler]

How do you not agree though? Jboots are the best clicky GCD for every class in Plane of Fear and Plane of Hate, and still the best one for most classes in Plane of Sky. Which is all of the content in classic that isn't a couple of super weak dragons or a fish that mages can duo/trio.

What does a ranger need a GCD clickie for? Spamming Healing faster? lol

It's useful as dispel fodder or if your sow drops while pulling or kiting, so I'd say it's marginally better on a ranger than on a druid or a shaman, but still kinda meh.

[Tethler]

I love how having to help a stranger (while you're literally doing nothing but waiting in a line) is like the worst thing ever in this thread.

Right? And all these "don't come unless you can solo it, or bring your own group" twats. Group up with the people in line and don't be dickbags.

Purposely killing people ahead of you on the list because you feel more entitled to the item even though they have been there longer is the scummiest thing to do. These camps are all group content, so just group up with the other people who are listing!

[311junkie]

I love how having to help a stranger (while you're literally doing nothing but waiting in a line) is like the worst thing ever in this thread.

helping and carrying are two totally different things.

[Nirgon]

When #1 never asked for help, and they are a high level, well-geared SK in a top guild who can solo the room.

After GM shows up and leaves after making some generic statements #3 asks:
"Hey, if you need help why not just ask for it instead of petitioning?"

No response.

#3 and #4 are boggled.

I thought the brain-dead druggies were on Red, or maybe Green, but now Teal?

The PvE crowd in my experience was infinitely more toxic and bad at the game.

People just say red was cuz they died a lot and resorted to that as an attack in spite and their "real reason" to leave.

[tristantio]

A 60pp spy glass also performs the GCD feature, so its odd to wait for such a camp.

[saftbudet]

This is why Teal is soon lower population then blue. Asshole concentration is so high on green/teal it make the servers unpleasant.

Like someone said, whats the big deal about helping a stranger before you in list to clear camp. It help you as well by making respawns quicker.

[Fawqueue]

I love how having to help a stranger (while you're literally doing nothing but waiting in a line) is like the worst thing ever in this thread.

I think most rationale people prefer helping others to be feel like more of a choice. What the Ranger in the OP's story did was not ask kindly for assistance, but cuckold some strangers into doing the work for them. And if anyone still thinks that's okay, PM me so I can offload all my bullshit menial tasks onto your plate since you seem to think that's acceptable behavior from a stranger.

[Swish]

If you can kill it but it would take a long time, do that. The waiters can just wait the extra 10 minutes it took you <3

[valenwood]

I would like to see all of you that are talking about "soloing" the /list camps to make a 50 rogue with nearly bis, to go solo the guise camp and come back and show the results. Good luck taking out 3 level 38 mobs consistently for however many hours without the most uber gear in the game, while all the level 40 solo classes just sit and watch you die so they can take your spot. Fun times, great community, super.

Are /list camps raids now? Friends wake up at 3 a.m. to come help you at the drop of the dime while 4-5 other capable people just sit there and do nothing? Dumbest thing i've ever heard

[Jean-Baptiste Cutting]

I would like to see all of you that are talking about "soloing" the /list camps to make a 50 rogue with nearly bis, to go solo the guise camp and come back and show the results. Good luck taking out 3 level 38 mobs consistently for however many hours without the most uber gear in the game, while all the level 40 solo classes just sit and watch you die so they can take your spot. Fun times, great community, super.

Are /list camps raids now? Friends wake up at 3 a.m. to come help you at the drop of the dime while 4-5 other capable people just sit there and do nothing? Dumbest thing i've ever heard

Not camping your item for you, sorry you seem to expect that from strangers.

[Mead]

I love how having to help a stranger (while you're literally doing nothing but waiting in a line) is like the worst thing ever in this thread.

What's the fun in the game if you're going to force everyone to behave just like you? There's no more social aspect or unpredictability. You guys have been pushing for this just a bunch of pals sitting around the loot conveyor just waiting for your pixel to be handed to you. No competition at all. No incentive to use the social aspect of the game to adapt and overcome. Just sit in line like a good boy and wait for your piece of the pie. Sounded terrible a decade ago when you mom and pop guilds were pushing for this shit on blue, still sounds terrible today.

[aaezil]

What's the fun in the game if you're going to force everyone to behave just like you? There's no more social aspect or unpredictability. You guys have been pushing for this just a bunch of pals sitting around the loot conveyor just waiting for your pixel to be handed to you. No competition at all. No incentive to use the social aspect of the game to adapt and overcome. Just sit in line like a good boy and wait for your piece of the pie. Sounded terrible a decade ago when you mom and pop guilds were pushing for this shit on blue, still sounds terrible today.

I bet you’re fun at parties

[Bogeyman]

I was number one on guise camp for 10 hours when a Druid in the group evaded the group from a inc train. Ran from Feerott to lguk as fast as I could (40 necro at the time). One minute to spare. I actually think the Druid did it on purpose 🤨