To the level 40 I ported last night with no tip..

[joshuarmccorkle]

I am a member of DAP, and I provide transportation services all across Norrath. I always try to provide quick expedient ports with as little downtime as possible. Last night I was once again providing ports, and a level 40 asked me for a ride to WC. After porting and sowing the individual, they ran off and provided no compensation or even a thank you. If this was a lower level or new player, I would completely understand and it wouldn’t bother me at all. Even if the player offered a thanks and said they had no money, I would be okay with that. However, there was no thank you for your time or not even 1 cp of compensation.

Please understand that ports cost both mana and time.. Time sent for porting you across Norrath, as well as time spent medding to regain mana. I will gladly port anyone, even if they have little to no money. I port for CR’s all the time. But for a high level player who was not on a CR, this was not the case. 98% of players on Green are understanding and generous. Some players have even been very generous with their tips. While I do not ever expect 50plat per port, I do expect that my services are compensated in some form or at least acknowledged by the other party. To this individual. Please do not ask me for a port again, as you will not be getting one.

[Cen]

Id be more pissed about the radio silence. That was ultra rare on my DAP character

[Meiva]

As a DAP member on Blue, your rant is inappropriate and does not follow the mission or rules of DAP. You are not permitted to set a minimum tip. You are also not permitted to rant about lack of tip on a public forum. You're welcome to rant in DAP guild chat instead.

Also, my apologies to those who utilize DAP services. This locker room talk should be contained within the guild.

[mcoy]

Check your logs and make sure you didn't miss a /split "Soandso shares money with the group". I do this to tip porters and they don't always see it, so I confirm they saw the split before disbanding.

-Mcoy

[Wallicker]

Check your logs and make sure you didn't miss a /split "Soandso shares money with the group". I do this to tip porters and they don't always see it, so I confirm they saw the split before disbanding.

-Mcoy

^^^ especially if they zone faster than you! If not name and shame.

[joshuarmccorkle]

I know what you are referring to about that split. There was none of that. I don’t want to shame anyone on the board so I will refrain from that.

[Fammaden]

Don't press the port button before receiving payment if this bothers you so much. Add this dude to ignore and move on, its going to be the exception not a common occurrence.

[Fawqueue]

As a DAP member on Blue, your rant is inappropriate and does not follow the mission or rules of DAP. You are not permitted to set a minimum tip. You are also not permitted to rant about lack of tip on a public forum. You're welcome to rant in DAP guild chat instead.

Also, my apologies to those who utilize DAP services. This locker room talk should be contained within the guild.

What kind of nazi police state is DAP running? You guys can't even express a little frustration over a clearly annoying situation, as an example for the rest of the community on how not to treat you guys?

OP, you were 100% justified to express yourself while not name shaming or launching into anything personal.

[Fammaden]

No they don't want bitching happening as the public face of their service. There's enough people who are irrationally resentful of DaP already, if every short tempered member in the guild was allowed to rage about getting stiffed on the forums they'd quickly have a terrible image. The majority aren't like this but they still get members like OP who goes off about getting stiffed, instead of shrugging it off professionally and keeping the reaction internal as per guild rules.

[Ataria]

There were a couple of times I forgot to tip on blue. I felt terrible after. Not saying that is what happened, as there are those out there to get what they can. So what I would do is note his name, see if he does it again. Or simply send him a tel and see what he says. He will either shrug it off or be very sorry.

On the other side on my porter on blue, this happened, but rarely. A handful of times they would send me a tel saying "Oh no i'm late for a raid totally forgot..!" And a couple did catch up with me later.

Hopefully this is what happened, as I'd like to think people would not want to have a mark on their reputation. It's a small server, and things do get around.

[Fawqueue]

No they don't want bitching happening as the public face of their service. There's enough people who are irrationally resentful of DaP already, if every short tempered member in the guild was allowed to rage about getting stiffed on the forums they'd quickly have a terrible image. The majority aren't like this but they still get members like OP who goes off about getting stiffed, instead of shrugging it off professionally and keeping the reaction internal as per guild rules.

Alternative perspective: If they didn't stifle the personal expression of their members, and more people realized that there are jerks out there who are stiffing them, maybe it would happen less often. You could argue that increased naming and shaming might root out some of these less desirable elements. Is there some unfounded belief that players would stop asking for ports because some DaP members are vocal about the assholes out there? Because that simply won't happen...ports are going to be in-demand regardless of guild tag for the entirety of this project.

[Fammaden]

Alternative perspective: If they didn't stifle the personal expression of their members, and more people realized that there are jerks out there who are stiffing them, maybe it would happen less often. You could argue that increased naming and shaming might root out some of these less desirable elements. Is there some unfounded belief that players would stop asking for ports because some DaP members are vocal about the assholes out there? Because that simply won't happen...ports are going to be in-demand regardless of guild tag for the entirety of this project.

The success of DaP on blue is proof of concept enough, getting stiffed by a 40+ is effectively unheard of even without naming and shaming. It would only serve to make them look like assholes, "personal expression" give me a break they are containing people with hot tempers and low self control from making their guild rep bad.

[El-Hefe]

What is with all this drama about ports.

Y’all need Jesus.

[stewe]

i never tip for ports, i just put all my gear in my bag and say CR, like porting is so time consuming, takes less then 5 minute to port and med back all the mana you used, oh the horror, should be grateful when anyone gives you more then a thank you, saying thanks is a must but i wont give a cp for a port and never have

[Natewest1987]

Not in DAP, but the rules seem fair. Besides, why complain on a public forum? You should have immediately asked the person for a tip, if you wanted on that badly. Time spent also accrues when wasting time venting and tending to a forum post

[Tecmos Deception]

Check your logs and make sure you didn't miss a /split "Soandso shares money with the group". I do this to tip porters and they don't always see it, so I confirm they saw the split before disbanding.

-Mcoy

Wow. Awesome pro tip right here. No pun intended!

[zodium]

i never tip for ports, i just put all my gear in my bag and say CR, like porting is so time consuming, takes less then 5 minute to port and med back all the mana you used, oh the horror, should be grateful when anyone gives you more then a thank you, saying thanks is a must but i wont give a cp for a port and never have

this guy has a trust fund

[Jack N]

If you port people as a sort of business, set the terms before completing the service.

[Meiva]

Alternative perspective: If they didn't stifle the personal expression of their members, and more people realized that there are jerks out there who are stiffing them, maybe it would happen less often. You could argue that increased naming and shaming might root out some of these less desirable elements. Is there some unfounded belief that players would stop asking for ports because some DaP members are vocal about the assholes out there? Because that simply won't happen...ports are going to be in-demand regardless of guild tag for the entirety of this project.

So very nearly 100% of the player base will tip for a port. OP rant isn't appropriate outside of guild forums and discussion. He got stiffed. It's rare. It's okay. Maybe OP was super fucking late to picking up the guy. Maybe we all would have stiffed OP. Maybe the level 40 has fallen on hard times. Who cares. Suck it up and port one of the other three players in your port queue. DAP is kind of all about being reputable. It's a unique guild experience focused on helping others.

Did you know that DAP players level up a guild cleric for the purpose of also provide rez services? DAP players assist with item transfers, because we uphold a trustful reputation. We might help you with that quest. It's a very alternative playstyle. Its rewarding beyond platinum compensation, or lack there of.

[Fawqueue]

Not in DAP, but the rules seem fair. Besides, why complain on a public forum? You should have immediately asked the person for a tip, if you wanted on that badly. Time spent also accrues when wasting time venting and tending to a forum post

That's part of the problem. It's also against the rules to ask for money, so he couldn't have done that either. He's not allowed to expect payment, and he's also not allowed to express his frustration in any public fashion when he gets outright stiffed. All so that he can perform the same function that every porter both can and gets asked to do constantly anyway. So what is exactly is the value in tagging with these guys again? Because I don't think there's a widespread fear that porters are going to screw you over, so being in a 'respected' porter guild seems relatively pointless.

[Meiva]

That's part of the problem. It's also against the rules to ask for money, so he couldn't have done that either. He's not allowed to expect payment, and he's also not allowed to express his frustration in any public fashion when he gets outright stiffed. All so that he can perform the same function that every porter both can and gets asked to do constantly anyway. So what is exactly is the value in tagging with these guys again? Because I don't think there's a widespread fear that porters are going to screw you over, so being in a 'respected' porter guild seems relatively pointless.

See my response. It helps to answer some of this. OP or anyone else does not need to be part of DAP should they not like the guild rules. There are good and just reasons.

[El-Hefe]

That's part of the problem. It's also against the rules to ask for money, so he couldn't have done that either. He's not allowed to expect payment, and he's also not allowed to express his frustration in any public fashion when he gets outright stiffed. All so that he can perform the same function that every porter both can and gets asked to do constantly anyway. So what is exactly is the value in tagging with these guys again? Because I don't think there's a widespread fear that porters are going to screw you over, so being in a 'respected' porter guild seems relatively pointless.

I mean... 9 out of ten times if I'm looking for a port I do /who all dial.

So maybe there is something to it.

[Nisse]

Respect yourselves more, don't port for plat. Earn your gear and money through adventure and you'll be happier and wealthier in the long run. Ports are not valued by the community because the market is flooded with porters. 50pp is the correct value of a port, walking/boating to your destination is immersive as hell.

[Meiva]

Respect yourselves more, don't port for plat. Earn your gear and money through adventure and you'll be happier and wealthier in the long run. Ports are not valued by the community because the market is flooded with porters. 50pp is the correct value of a port, walking/boating to your destination is immersive as hell.

There is only some truth to some of this. Well.. no. Not.. ugh.

[Fawqueue]

See my response. It helps to answer some of this. OP or anyone else does not need to be part of DAP should they not like the guild rules. There are good and just reasons.

That's a valid point...nobody is subjecting the OP to the strict set of of rules but themselves. They should just go freelance and get just as many ports as before, with less hassle down the road if they feel like posting on the forums. We're all adults here and don't need to be scolded by strangers if we feel like pointing out a little douchebaggery now and again.

[douglas1999]

What is this bizarro world where a guy generously provides a port and doesn't even get a thank you, and is slightly miffed about it, but has the decency to not name the person who stiffed him, and everyone seems mad at HIM? Wtf

[drackgon]

im a long with douglas.. I didnt know Dial a port had some weird rule that you can expect to ask for a tip. Seems silly. I personally always do who all /29 50 druid/wiz to find ports. Glad i dont rely on em seems silly. I always thought Dial of port took in porters who wanted 2 make $$$.. And btw I ALWAYS ALWAYS tip for port. I even owed a wizard like a week due to CR and made sure to give him a huge tip. Avg tip is 50pp, but I've paid 200ish for ones when im short on time. I for one <3 all porters like OP. Also side note Is Port is generally 1pp per lvl tip.

[Videri]

If you port people as a sort of business, set the terms before completing the service.

Yet another concise truth from Jack N.

[Meiva]

im a long with douglas.. I didnt know Dial a port had some weird rule that you can expect to ask for a tip. Seems silly. I personally always do who all /29 50 druid/wiz to find ports. Glad i dont rely on em seems silly. I always thought Dial of port took in porters who wanted 2 make $$$.. And btw I ALWAYS ALWAYS tip for port. I even owed a wizard like a week due to CR and made sure to give him a huge tip. Avg tip is 50pp, but I've paid 200ish for ones when im short on time. I for one <3 all porters like OP. Also side note Is Port is generally 1pp per lvl tip.

Totally man. Do not utilize DAP if you do not believe in their rules. OP also doesn't have to be a member of DAP to port for tip. He will do just fine without the guild tag, but with it he should abide by their rules. Let's be clear here though, DAP members do port for tip. The guild has never been non-profit. The service ain't a charity, lol. It's only that guild members are expected not to be distasteful, and to follow the guild rules.

It's NO different than any other guild and their rules. You might have consequences in any other guild for your actions on the forums or Discord. YOU can do your part and give the finger to the man by not utilizing their services. Take that you BIG PHARMA, fascist Dial-a-Port. Suck it!

[Widan]

Money upfront no exceptions.

[Fammaden]

The rule is that you don't set a strict pricing schedule so that the service is accessible and open to both shitty AND big fares. Raiders on blue would hook DaP's up with crazy fares all the time, both plat or items. Stating up front that we charge X plat per level would create less of those big jackpots. Still I think DaP originally spread the 1pp per level idea, but I can't point to who or when it started.

The bigger rule is you don't use the words "tip" or "donation" in your /ooc macros. Those terms imply that the payment is optional, when DaP has always been designed as a for profit service.

The reason for that "CR is always free" line is an indirect way of showing that normal ports are NOT considered free, without looking pushy about it. People know that auctioning porting is generally for money but especially here on green/teal there's been people saying shit like "payment not required but welcome". Saying its free only if you're on a CR removes any doubt without sounding greedy or blunt about it.

[TheDudeAbides]

The reason for that "CR is always free" line is an indirect way of showing that normal ports are NOT considered free, without looking pushy about it.

Could always just bag your gear and claim you need a port for CR

[Fammaden]

People do that at times, those people are pathetic cheap asses. Level 60's and raiders on blue tended to be the most reliably big tippers though so it didn't matter that you got a worthless cheapass sometimes. I think many who still play on blue were pretty bummed to see so much dial a port leave, because its an awesome service to have. All the haters don't realize how great the option is, they are just greedy about their stupid little pile of plat, many of them broke as shit and shortsighted.

[Meiva]

Could always just bag your gear and claim you need a port for CR

Everyone that is ported via a DAP member is logged in to a shared ledger. Specifics such as tip girth, cr or non-cr, race, class, eye color and your interpupillary distance are meticulously recorded. A small lock of your hair is clipped discretely. Data such as this is collected in order for Dial-a-Port to provide you with an ever improving ring-to-ring, spire-to-spire experience. There is nothing to be concerned about.

[cd288]

As a DAP member on Blue, your rant is inappropriate and does not follow the mission or rules of DAP. You are not permitted to set a minimum tip. You are also not permitted to rant about lack of tip on a public forum. You're welcome to rant in DAP guild chat instead.

Also, my apologies to those who utilize DAP services. This locker room talk should be contained within the guild.

Damnnnnnnn when your own guildy comes in and roasts you on your own post!

[cd288]

Alternative perspective: If they didn't stifle the personal expression of their members, and more people realized that there are jerks out there who are stiffing them, maybe it would happen less often. You could argue that increased naming and shaming might root out some of these less desirable elements. Is there some unfounded belief that players would stop asking for ports because some DaP members are vocal about the assholes out there? Because that simply won't happen...ports are going to be in-demand regardless of guild tag for the entirety of this project.

Dude what are you even talking about. Let it go

[cd288]

im a long with douglas.. I didnt know Dial a port had some weird rule that you can expect to ask for a tip. Seems silly. I personally always do who all /29 50 druid/wiz to find ports. Glad i dont rely on em seems silly. I always thought Dial of port took in porters who wanted 2 make $$$.. And btw I ALWAYS ALWAYS tip for port. I even owed a wizard like a week due to CR and made sure to give him a huge tip. Avg tip is 50pp, but I've paid 200ish for ones when im short on time. I for one <3 all porters like OP. Also side note Is Port is generally 1pp per lvl tip.

It’s definitely not 1pp per level on the new servers just FYI

[Rader]

It’s definitely not 1pp per level on the new servers just FYI

0.5pp per level on Green Teal is the norm. Anything less is a cheap a$$ F

[drackgon]

CD288.. just saying peeps have 40k already on teal.. some have wayy more.. 1pp per lvl isnt hard to get.. thats what 8 FS wps...

[Kanuvan]

"time" may have value to you, but not the other person, unless you sign an agreement with them before the port then they are obligated to spend nothing

[TripSin]

I wish they'd say at least what guild this person belonged to because I have a feeling I already know.

[Tethler]

What is with all this drama about ports.

Y’all need boats.

[Neverwinter27]

Rants and Flames section

[thesoundofmerk]

I have to say, I've always played a wizard, and I have always enjoyed porting people greatly, meeting them, making friends, having a good time, getting to know certain people through it, helping people out. I have never had an issue porting lower levels, or a small tip here and there cause someone is broke, I totally get it. But lately... Some times i go through 20 ports, some people max level, and don't get over 10 plat from people, and i don't say a word, but you better believe it makes me throw on anon a lot, and thats something I NEVER did before recently.

It discourages you from wanting to port people, not that its about money, but its about the gaming experience, if i can make more, exp, and make more friends grouping or roaming, why would i want to port people? the initiative is never required, but it certainly makes it more worth peoples time, i give 15 plat tips for clarity and sow some times 20, ports i give 50 on my alts, and hes only level 35. Its just common courtesy is all, but helping people out is always a priority to an extent of their niceness as a person.

[shuklak]

As a DAP member on Blue, your rant is inappropriate and does not follow the mission or rules of DAP. You are not permitted to set a minimum tip. You are also not permitted to rant about lack of tip on a public forum. You're welcome to rant in DAP guild chat instead.

Also, my apologies to those who utilize DAP services. This locker room talk should be contained within the guild.

Reciprocity is a fundamental trait of being human. So is gossip to ensure as much.

You stay quiet? We all lose.

[mischief419]

There's no shame - only awareness. Post the name so I can clarity blacklist to allow the karma to flow.

[Clumpoid]

It was one person maybe they forgot. I can’t imagine being so upset that I would make a long forum post about this lmao. Extremely petty. Why isn’t this in RnF

[cd288]

CD288.. just saying peeps have 40k already on teal.. some have wayy more.. 1pp per lvl isnt hard to get.. thats what 8 FS wps...

Any many people have very little plat as well. It's also very dependent on class. A level 20 Warrior isn't farming much plat.

[cd288]

I have to say, I've always played a wizard, and I have always enjoyed porting people greatly, meeting them, making friends, having a good time, getting to know certain people through it, helping people out. I have never had an issue porting lower levels, or a small tip here and there cause someone is broke, I totally get it. But lately... Some times i go through 20 ports, some people max level, and don't get over 10 plat from people, and i don't say a word, but you better believe it makes me throw on anon a lot, and thats something I NEVER did before recently.

It discourages you from wanting to port people, not that its about money, but its about the gaming experience, if i can make more, exp, and make more friends grouping or roaming, why would i want to port people? the initiative is never required, but it certainly makes it more worth peoples time, i give 15 plat tips for clarity and sow some times 20, ports i give 50 on my alts, and hes only level 35. Its just common courtesy is all, but helping people out is always a priority to an extent of their niceness as a person.

Fair points, but you're giving out that kind of money because you can make that kind of money. Porting and quad kiting you can obviously make a pretty penny. I'm maining a Rogue on Green and you think I have money to tip people 20+ plat for SoW? Lol. I can't really farm a lot of plat solo, and in groups I'm of course limited by the amount of weight I have to spare (once I hit the limit, I'm not looting much if anything because I don't want to be encumbered and also can't leave the group to go sell); so the amount of money I can make is relatively limited.

[Bardp1999]

More evidence that DAP is a cartel of crooks. Getting stiffed on a port sucks for sure, but the idiot retards who pay you 50pp for a port more than make up for the low lives so stop your bitching.

[indiscriminate_hater]

ITT: "people aren't paying me enough elf currency to click a button, and here's why I'm mad about it"

[DMN]

ITT: "people aren't paying me enough elf currency to click a button, and here's why I'm mad about it"

It would be far more biting if you weren't posting in a fucking forum for an elf sim.

[shuklak]

More evidence that DAP is a cartel of crooks. Getting stiffed on a port sucks for sure, but the idiot retards who pay you 50pp for a port more than make up for the low lives so stop your bitching.

This guy never tips waitresses at restaurants.

[Kohedron]

Not even a name and shame, for shame

[Ostepop]

I just /split when joining group. Have started asking for confirmation after getting rage from porters who didn't see it... :rolleyes:

[Swish]

idiot retards who pay you 50pp for a port more than make up for the low lives

Nice comment

[Tethler]

I just /split when joining group. Have started asking for confirmation after getting rage from porters who didn't see it... :rolleyes:

Yeah, It's surprising how many don't notice. I always say something like "Thanks for the ride. Split you some monies" just to avoid misunderstandings.

[Canelek]

*stretches his European foreskin over an apple, telling you it is OK to have an apple every now and again.*

Ports, Rite?

[Tecmos Deception]

ITT: "people aren't paying me enough elf currency to click a button, and here's why I'm mad about it"

Don't be retarded. It's a elf currency and mana pixels, but the time is still REAL time.

[OuterChimp]

I've used porting services a couple times and both times I've offered a tip before the port. I think that is approrpiate.

[BlackBellamy]

As a DAP member on Blue, your rant is inappropriate and does not follow the mission or rules of DAP. You are not permitted to set a minimum tip. You are also not permitted to rant about lack of tip on a public forum. You're welcome to rant in DAP guild chat instead.

Also, my apologies to those who utilize DAP services. This locker room talk should be contained within the guild.

What? So you yourself add to the dirty laundry by rebuking a DaP member publicly? There's PMs and guild chat and dialaport forums for stuff like this. That's number one.

Number two is please know what you're talking about because you're making DaP look bad. DaP does not use the words "donations" or "tips" because DaP is a pay-for-port service. DaP members are totally allowed to set their own prices and charge whatever they want. While it's true that fare disputes should not be made public, no one was named here. For any clarification of these rules, please see the guild leader on your server.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Don't be retarded. It's a elf currency and mana pixels, but the time is still REAL time.

True, I guess that's how some people rationalize RMT

[cd288]

What? So you yourself add to the dirty laundry by rebuking a DaP member publicly? There's PMs and guild chat and dialaport forums for stuff like this. That's number one.

Number two is please know what you're talking about because you're making DaP look bad. DaP does not use the words "donations" or "tips" because DaP is a pay-for-port service. DaP members are totally allowed to set their own prices and charge whatever they want. While it's true that fare disputes should not be made public, no one was named here. For any clarification of these rules, please see the guild leader on your server.

I'd rather have this DAP member come out and rebuke OP publicly. Otherwise I would have thought DAP was a bunch of ranting whiners

[Smellybuttface]

From the forum that brought us such greats as Bladefrenzy and “Book not up,” I’m surprised this nothing of a thread has gained so much traction. Surely we have bigger a-holes out there to focus on, right? I mean, someone has to have screenshots at least of my behavior in-zone to rightly put on this forum?

[Jimjam]

Imagine deciding to spend hours of your time playing pro bono taxi driver in an elf sim then blaming other players for how you chose to spend your time.

[Barm McLir]

I just /split when joining group. Have started asking for confirmation after getting rage from porters who didn't see it... :rolleyes:

I set up a Gina trigger on "splits money with the group" that plays a cash register sound.

[Wonkie]

DAP is a cartel of crooks.

[Tupakk]

Wow so much to say.

I wonder if we should do an AMA this year.

Thoughts?

[Champion_Standing]

Absolutely disgusting behavior from someone distinguished enough to be level 40.

[DMN]

Ask for tips, and if they give you garbage drop them of in tox.

[aspomwell]

Ask for tips, and if they give you garbage drop them of in tox.

Winner!

[Fawqueue]

Ask for tips, and if they give you garbage drop them of in tox.

Probably the solution right here. Don't port until they've made their donation, and if they get difficult about it take them to the end of the world and /wave.

[Natewest1987]

Probably the solution right here. Don't port until they've made their donation, and if they get difficult about it take them to the end of the world and /wave.

This is funny. Is it legal to do this ?

[zauber]

Obviosly whoever posted this rant either was not actually a Dial member or did not bother to read the guild rules. This post goes against everything we stand for as a guild. Although, we do EXPECT payment for our services, we do NOT complain when we do not get piad (things happen).

Ezzlazen (blue)
EzzlazenT(teal)
EzzlazenG(green)
Dial-a-Port leader (one of them)

[cd288]

This is funny. Is it legal to do this ?

No

[mischief419]

Fair points, but you're giving out that kind of money because you can make that kind of money. Porting and quad kiting you can obviously make a pretty penny. I'm maining a Rogue on Green and you think I have money to tip people 20+ plat for SoW? Lol. I can't really farm a lot of plat solo, and in groups I'm of course limited by the amount of weight I have to spare (once I hit the limit, I'm not looting much if anything because I don't want to be encumbered and also can't leave the group to go sell); so the amount of money I can make is relatively limited.
OP's point was this, though - the guy clearly had money. He's not posting because a naked lvl 1 didn't tip :P

[lubyen13]

Maybe I am missing something, but DAP has always been a paid service. People have mentioned that is why we don't ask for "donations". CR are free because you cannot get blood from a turnip. On some occasions, people have said "i have no money will you still port me." I don't know a single DAP member who would say no. I also know that people forget to tip. Many feel embarassed and go out of there way to make it up and then some. I was tipped an ODS by a shaman who forgot to tip me on blue. Personally i would just ask that person if they forgot to pay. If there is some sort of issue, just /ignore and move on

[Smellybuttface]

Probably the solution right here. Don't port until they've made their donation, and if they get difficult about it take them to the end of the world and /wave.

Sort of counter to the definition of a “donation” (an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.). Gifts are gratuitously given, without requiring a reciprocal act.

If they ‘require’ a sum of money to port someone, just call it what it is - a fee.

[Erati]

really wish DAP would get their act together on Green and have an army of druids porting

QQ

[TripSin]

No

why not? you people are such babies

[TripSin]

No

Yes, actually.

[Natewest1987]

Sort of counter to the definition of a “donation” (an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.). Gifts are gratuitously given, without requiring a reciprocal act.

If they ‘require’ a sum of money to port someone, just call it what it is - a fee.

“Presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution” is not the same thing as giving something freely as a gift, especially not as a grant or contribution ( which both hold implications of expectation. If I gave you a donkey but presented it as a cat, would you have a donkey ? Idk weird analogy, but rarely in life is anything ever truly a “donation”. If it weren’t for tax breaks, financial loop holes, the “presentation” of being generous, or just the need to pat themselves on the back - how often do you think people would actually give something of their own ?

Everyone knows that you don’t have to tip a waiter, but obviously they provide that service with the expectation of a tip. That waiter/waitress is giving you their time and it’s not because they want to.

[Smellybuttface]

“Presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution” is not the same thing as giving something freely as a gift, especially not as a grant or contribution ( which both hold implications of expectation. If I gave you a donkey but presented it as a cat, would you have a donkey ? Idk weird analogy, but rarely in life is anything ever truly a “donation”. If it weren’t for tax breaks, financial loop holes, the “presentation” of being generous, or just the need to pat themselves on the back - how often do you think people would actually give something of their own ?

Everyone knows that you don’t have to tip a waiter, but obviously they provide that service with the expectation of a tip. That waiter/waitress is giving you their time and it’s not because they want to.

A gift is precisely that, not having the expectation of a reciprocal act.

A tip is almost the complete opposite, “ : a gift or a sum of money tendered for a service performed or anticipated”. The act performed or anticipated would in this case be the port. It’s an argument of semantics, but here it’s fairly clear. Asking for a tip is much more accurate than saying a “donation.” One anticipates a reciprocal act, the other does not. So porters/sow/buffs, the person should realistically be asking for a “tip” rather than a “donation.” Colloquially people ask for “donations” and the motivation might well be for a tax break or loophole etc. That’s still not something expected of the donee, though, but rather something the donor does irrespective of the donee actually performing some act for them.
So if OP asked for a donation and received none, then he’s SOL. Asking for a tip is a different story. They made sound the same, and possibly used with the same “intent,” but they aren’t the same.

[jacobar]

As a DAP member on Blue, your rant is inappropriate and does not follow the mission or rules of DAP. You are not permitted to set a minimum tip. You are also not permitted to rant about lack of tip on a public forum. You're welcome to rant in DAP guild chat instead.

Also, my apologies to those who utilize DAP services. This locker room talk should be contained within the guild.

I was thinking this, myself.
The amount of ports and potential gain that having the dap tag on your toon has given you should not be stepped on by your entitlement.
A tip by no means is mandatory to DaP or anyone. Hell no one really even owes you a thabk you as youre offering a servvice, its kind of someone to thank you. your not a port for pay service youre a port for donation service. if you want to start to expect a cirtain amount then drop your tag and /auction selling ports fir plat, scum bag. and we will see how ahead you come out

[Splixxen]

A tip by no means is mandatory to DaP or anyone. Hell no one really even owes you a thabk you as youre offering a servvice, its kind of someone to thank you. your not a port for pay service youre a port for donation service.

I'm a DaP and I'll quite swiftly add you to ignore if you're not kind enough to tip or even say thanks.
We are a taxi service and its not free unless you're on CR.

- Splixx

[jacobar]

I'm a DaP and I'll quite swiftly add you to ignore if you're not kind enough to tip or even say thanks.
We are a taxi service and its not free unless you're on CR.

- Splixx

And that is your right. But i think if you're flying a DaP flag, and wanting all the benifit of ppl being able to /who all you from any zone and getting some of the best tips for ports and none of the drawbacks without crying on RnF then its pretty pathetic. If its mandatory for people to pay then why does dap advertise donations excepted and not have a flat rate?

[Smellybuttface]

Hell no one really even owes you a thabk you as youre offering a servvice,

That's precisely why someone DOES owe them at least a thank you. They're offering a service.

[jacobar]

That's precisely why someone DOES owe them at least a thank you. They're offering a service.

Cry harder

[Splixxen]

And that is your right. But i think if you're flying a DaP flag, and wanting all the benifit of ppl being able to /who all you from any zone and getting some of the best tips for ports and none of the drawbacks without crying on RnF then its pretty pathetic. If its mandatory for people to pay then why does dap advertise donations excepted and not have a flat rate?

Not really sure which of my lines you mistake for "crying on RnF".
Unless having another opinion than you = crying.
If that's the case, I'll award you a snowflake sticker, which you can put on one of your participation trophies, since you sound obnoxiously entitled.

I'll just leave you ranting on and stop posting here (as you can see from my post count I'd rather enjoy the game than play Board-warrior), but feel free to post your char names so I can be proactive and ignore them.

[lubyen13]

I was thinking this, myself.
The amount of ports and potential gain that having the dap tag on your toon has given you should not be stepped on by your entitlement.
A tip by no means is mandatory to DaP or anyone. Hell no one really even owes you a thabk you as youre offering a servvice, its kind of someone to thank you. your not a port for pay service youre a port for donation service. if you want to start to expect a cirtain amount then drop your tag and /auction selling ports fir plat, scum bag. and we will see how ahead you come out

DAP is 100% a paid service. Leadership has stated this and says do no use things such as donations in your /ooc. There is a give and take. We don't set a flat rate because every person's financial situation is different. CRs are free. Being a DAP member gives you access to the tag, and people can look you up for ports. This is to make money. The downfall? You have to be anon when not porting. Until just recently this meant you had to be anon while LFG. So you could only ask the zones you were in for groups If you are unable to port you ask the /guild for others to accommodate these requests.

If you didn't already know this, consider yourself informed

[Kohedron]

My opinion of DAP is forever tarnished from this thread

[Bardp1999]

DAP are a cartel of crooks lead by a mentally unstable Bard

[jacobar]

There is a give and take. We don't set a flat rate because every person's financial situation is different.

Maybe this lvl 40 was all out of plat and fresh out of thanks, and now here he is on blast.
And not even as much as a bame to shame from the original poster.

Doesnt seem very professional from a DaP stand point or even a RnF stand point

I demand a motion to move this thread to :cry harder:

[shuklak]

DAP are a cartel of crooks lead by a mentally unstable Bard

Should fit right in then.

[Tethler]

Maybe this lvl 40 was all out of plat and fresh out of thanks, and now here he is on blast.
And not even as much as a bame to shame from the original poster.

Doesnt seem very professional from a DaP stand point or even a RnF stand point

I demand a motion to move this thread to :cry harder:

"fresh out of thanks" isn't a thing

[Anxarcule]

Pretty simple solution - make your own personal blacklist. I ported a high 40's with Ruby BP that ran off too without a tip or thanks. If he wants a port from me I'll ask for 100pp

[jacobar]

"fresh out of thanks" isn't a thing

fReSh OuT oF fUkS iS tHo -_-

[BlackBellamy]

I was thinking this, myself.
The amount of ports and potential gain that having the dap tag on your toon has given you should not be stepped on by your entitlement.
A tip by no means is mandatory to DaP or anyone. Hell no one really even owes you a thabk you as youre offering a servvice, its kind of someone to thank you. your not a port for pay service youre a port for donation service. if you want to start to expect a cirtain amount then drop your tag and /auction selling ports fir plat, scum bag. and we will see how ahead you come out

The amount of angry stupid in your post is awesome. You open with a magnificent prelude, warning everyone of what follows is a result of deep thought from, yourself. And then you just throw open the gates of misinformation and wrong and go right to town, I mean first post in the thread and all and you're straight up calling someone an entitled scumbag. I can tell you're serious because even after all that thought, yourself, you still type it out at 90 miles per hour so precious and fleeting your genius must be.

I see you kind of ran out of steam though, your following posts not having nearly the same impact as your first. I guess you blew your genius load on that first post and you're now in what we forum experts call the refractory period.

Good luck with your "fReSh OuT oF fUkS iS tHo -_-" condition, I hope it improves soon.

[Smellybuttface]

fReSh OuT oF fUkS iS tHo -_-

Typing in alternating capital letters. According to my texts, seems to be your garden variety, standard troll douche. Expecting that breed’s normal stress-induced response of something “crybaby.”

[jacobar]

I think so, i guess