Hadden - Dialachad drama

[dspity]

I took over Hadden from Purple <Seal Team> this afternoon. After waiting a few hours. He told me he was gonna be semi AFK for the repop and I killed Hadden for him and passed on the earing about 30 seconds later. I then took over the camp from Purple. I hung out for a bit before I went afk, 10 feet across the pond, with line of sight and within spell range. Where I see probably half the Hadden campers sitting.

I come back to Dialachad at the camp, claiming it as his, while I was there the whole time. Claiming I needed to be on top of the spawn to claim the camp. He claimed he had fraps running to prove it. I was there the whole time. No /tells, nothing, just tried to force his way into the camp. He claimed if I could sit 10 feet away and claim the camp than he could sit at Blackburrow and claim it.

I engaged Hadden within 1 second of respawning with Ice Comet. While trying to be KS'd by Dialachad. Hadden clearly had a fishing pole this time. Why you would want to try to KS a Hadden with a Fishing pole I'll never know.

Don't be an asshole, I would have given you the camp if you needed the earing that bad.

Morsel<Ironborn>

[Tethler]

I took over Hadden from Purple <Seal Team> this afternoon. After waiting a few hours. He told me he was gonna be semi AFK for the repop and I killed Hadden for him and passed on the earing about 30 seconds later. I then took over the camp from Purple. I hung out for a bit before I went afk, 10 feet across the pond, with line of sight and within spell range. Where I see probably half the Hadden campers sitting.

I come back to Dialachad at the camp, claiming it as his, while I was there the whole time. Claiming I needed to be on top of the spawn to claim the camp. He claimed he had fraps running to prove it. I was there the whole time. No /tells, nothing, just tried to force his way into the camp. He claimed if I could sit 10 feet away and claim the camp than he could sit at Blackburrow and claim it.

I engaged Hadden within 1 second of respawning with Ice Comet. While trying to be KS'd by Dialachad. Hadden clearly had a fishing pole this time. Why you would want to try to KS a Hadden with a Fishing pole I'll never know.

Don't be an asshole, I would have given you the camp if you needed the earing that bad.

Morsel<Ironborn>

Ice Comet is like a 6 second cast, sounds fishy. I'm gonna give this win to Chad.

[Veeshan31]

Do people actually sit at the Hadden spawn? Can’t you just get a time of death and then come back for the repop and try to get FTE? Or do gms honor the person sitting there doing nothing for 6 hours?

[dspity]

Do people actually sit at the Hadden spawn? Can’t you just get a time of death and then come back for the repop and try to get FTE? Or do gms honor the person sitting there doing nothing for 6 hours?

It's been considered an afk camp since classic. Most just afk for 6 hours and come back right before he respawns. Which is perfectly legal as long as you kill him within 2 mins of repop.

[stewe]

Do people actually sit at the Hadden spawn? Can’t you just get a time of death and then come back for the repop and try to get FTE? Or do gms honor the person sitting there doing nothing for 6 hours?


Hadden isnt a FTE mob, if someone is camping him they have camp rights, any outdoor mob can be a camp as long as you kill them at their spawn u just cant hold multiple, learn the rules before you end up taking a vacation. The only outdoor mobs that are FTE are raid bosses and mobs that randomly spawn in different locations like quillmane

[ZiggyTheMuss]

It's been considered an afk camp since classic. Most just afk for 6 hours and come back right before he respawns. Which is perfectly legal as long as you kill him within 2 mins of repop.

Sounds like they need to make Haden a /list camp is what you are telling us.

[dspity]

Sounds like they need to make Haden a /list camp is what you are telling us.

Only boxes im clicking are popups on pornhub.

[Tuljin]

Server is full of assholes, Morsel is a stand-up dude.

"I have you on fraps" my ass, I can't believe how many people try to push people around with that bullshit. It's a 6 hour AFK camp. What are you gonna show with fraps, that you never sent a tell and you tried to KS? Such weak rule lawyering bullshit people really need to stop letting fuckers get away with saying that dumb shit

[shuklak]

I'd love to comb through 6+ hours of Hadden fraps to get to the bottom of this.

[Jimjam]

Fwiw 'engaging' a mob is judged by when the spell lands, not when it begins casting.

[dspity]

Fwiw 'engaging' a mob is judged by when the spell lands, not when it begins casting.
Right, I should of worded that better.

He wasn't up for 2 minutes before I cast a spell. I downed him with ice comet within 7 seconds of spawning.

The moral of the story is that I got my earing without being a douche canoe.

[Bardp1999]

Everyone involved in this story is a loser

[cd288]

I thought if you go afk you lose a camp per the server rules

[Dulian]

I thought if you go afk you lose a camp per the server rules

Nope

[Zwieback]

Nope
yes u do.

[Grimgor]

I thought if you go afk you lose a camp per the server rules

You can absolutely be AFK in between spawns without losing the camp. You only lose the camp if you leave the mob up for too long.

[Madbad]

You can absolutely be AFK in between spawns without losing the camp. You only lose the camp if you leave the mob up for too long.

[mischief419]

Yea may really need to be a list. Mentioned in another post I caught this guy boxing (yes, petitioned with evidence) to pass off lore fbe's to a mule to keep the camp 24/7. It's pretty BS. You didn't have boxers back in the dial-up days. Not enough bandwidth or PC juice! Your computer would just die. And d/c's would lose camps.

Periodically d/c Hadden campers, I say! /s

But in all seriousness: I hope they at least mention Hadden needs to have AFK checks. You can camp Hadden for a year if you just afk 24/7 there. Priority should go to the one NOT afk. Eg, the closer the timer to pop, whoever is not afk should get it.

/list AFK checks every 10m when you're 20 hours until you're up; what's the difference?

[Wallicker]

Or maybe you yourself should be more of a Chad and less of a Leslie? Also having a friend log on a mule to stock up on FBE’s is classic. Either out sock them, buy one from them or wait until they have gotten their fill and then take camp when it’s less competitive. Also think about maybe getting a rebreather or a couple moss masks(which are cheap to recharge).

[stewe]

yes u do.

No you dont, you have every right to be afk between spawns of a mob, you only lose your camp if the mob spawns and remains up for a good amount of time, yet another person that needs to read the rules apparently

[Dulian]

yes u do.

Nope

[Horza]

Or maybe you yourself should be more of a Chad and less of a Leslie?

Do you even lift, bro?

[Wallicker]

Do you even lift, bro?

I do sir, and full body barbell compounds none of that pussy shit

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/ihYUvrK.png

[PabloEdvardo]

You didn't have boxers back in the dial-up days. Not enough bandwidth or PC juice! Your computer would just die. And d/c's would lose camps.

As someone who 2boxed on dial-up, you're an idiot.

[gnomishfirework]

Yea may really need to be a list. Mentioned in another post I caught this guy boxing (yes, petitioned with evidence) to pass off lore fbe's to a mule to keep the camp 24/7. It's pretty BS. You didn't have boxers back in the dial-up days. Not enough bandwidth or PC juice! Your computer would just die. And d/c's would lose camps.

Periodically d/c Hadden campers, I say! /s

But in all seriousness: I hope they at least mention Hadden needs to have AFK checks. You can camp Hadden for a year if you just afk 24/7 there. Priority should go to the one NOT afk. Eg, the closer the timer to pop, whoever is not afk should get it.

/list AFK checks every 10m when you're 20 hours until you're up; what's the difference?

You are an silly goose.

I’m over 36 hours on Hadden right now. Dude drops too many fishing poles. It’s stupid to make people sit at keys for 2 days for a camp you kill once every six hours. You can’t even kill anything else while sitting there.

To sit at this camp you can’t do anything else. It’s fair. You gotta come to keys to kill or someone’s gonna snatch it.

[Tethler]

You are an silly goose.

I’m over 36 hours on Hadden right now. Dude drops too many fishing poles. It’s stupid to make people sit at keys for 2 days for a camp you kill once every six hours. You can’t even kill anything else while sitting there.

To sit at this camp you can’t do anything else. It’s fair. You gotta come to keys to kill or someone’s gonna snatch it.

Yeah, it's pretty rough leaving an instance afk while playing a second box on green/teal/blue.

[gnomishfirework]

Yeah, it's pretty rough leaving an instance afk while playing a second box on green/teal/blue.

I didn’t even get level 3 on my enchanter on teal before getting bored.

[shuklak]

I didn’t even get level 3 on my enchanter on teal before getting bored.

You quit too early.

[elwing]

Please, make hadden /list

[dspity]

Yea may really need to be a list. Mentioned in another post I caught this guy boxing (yes, petitioned with evidence) to pass off lore fbe's to a mule to keep the camp 24/7. It's pretty BS. You didn't have boxers back in the dial-up days. Not enough bandwidth or PC juice! Your computer would just die. And d/c's would lose camps.

I think everyone in Ironborn has a level 1 parked at Hadden handing over lore earings trying to get everyone earings for Phinny. There's only like 10 of us. If it was us, it probably looks like we were boxing. However, we've never not let anyone take over the camp after an earing drop if they have asked.

We've gone 10-11 spawns at a time without an earing sometimes. So it probably looks like we're a bunch of assholes locking it down.

[Tilien]

Yea may really need to be a list. Mentioned in another post I caught this guy boxing (yes, petitioned with evidence) to pass off lore fbe's to a mule to keep the camp 24/7. It's pretty BS. You didn't have boxers back in the dial-up days. Not enough bandwidth or PC juice! Your computer would just die. And d/c's would lose camps.

Periodically d/c Hadden campers, I say! /s

But in all seriousness: I hope they at least mention Hadden needs to have AFK checks. You can camp Hadden for a year if you just afk 24/7 there. Priority should go to the one NOT afk. Eg, the closer the timer to pop, whoever is not afk should get it.

/list AFK checks every 10m when you're 20 hours until you're up; what's the difference?

Then petition. If someone camping an item gets their drop, they need to pass camp. They CAN pass camp to someone else in their guild if they want, but they can't reclaim camp with the same toon.

See:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1652719#post1652719

[Tecmos Deception]

Then petition. If someone camping an item gets their drop, they need to pass camp. They CAN pass camp to someone else in their guild if they want, but they can't reclaim camp with the same toon.

See:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1652719#post1652719

Let me know if someone in 2020 enforces that, especially since it's very unclear what Deru was thinking in situations where an item isn't lore, or in situations where you pass off the lore item, etc., since he only specifically talks about whether you're permitted to maintain a camp through the process of corpsing a lore item (which of course you can't, since the death makes you leave the zone and means you lose the camp to someone else who is there trying to claim it).

[Tilien]

Let me know if someone in 2020 enforces that, especially since it's very unclear what Deru was thinking in situations where an item isn't lore, or in situations where you pass off the lore item, etc., since he only specifically talks about whether you're permitted to maintain a camp through the process of corpsing a lore item (which of course you can't, since the death makes you leave the zone and means you lose the camp to someone else who is there trying to claim it).


"If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob."- Pretty clear. Examples that follow are examples, this sentence precedes the example and ends in a period indicating it is a complete thought.

I mean sure it might only apply to lore items, which fishbone is. I haven't had issues with anyone in terms of camping, others have and just give up for some unknown reason. Spread awareness of the rules and hopefully people will actually try to get them enforced.

Plus that'll make some sweet, sweet RnF posts.

[Tenderizer]

"I have you on fraps" my ass,

A rent a cop tried to say they had me on camera throwing a kids ball over a fence at a park. I told them to come back and show me when they had the footage and walked away. It's a scare tactic and all you need to do is tap into your inner chad.

[Tecmos Deception]

"If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob."- Pretty clear. Examples that follow are examples, this sentence precedes the example and ends in a period indicating it is a complete thought.

I mean sure it might only apply to lore items, which fishbone is. I haven't had issues with anyone in terms of camping, others have and just give up for some unknown reason. Spread awareness of the rules and hopefully people will actually try to get them enforced.

Plus that'll make some sweet, sweet RnF posts.

Without getting into any details, you're really reaching by claiming that is clear. Deru himself didn't think it was clear, or else he wouldn't have followed up saying that he was going to spell out what he meant in detail so that it would put the player argument in that thread to rest.

[dspity]

Without getting into any details, you're really reaching by claiming that is clear. Deru himself didn't think it was clear, or else he wouldn't have followed up saying that he was going to spell out what he meant in detail so that it would put the player argument in that thread to rest.

To be fair, Derudawg didnt always make the best judgements....

[Tilien]

Without getting into any details, you're really reaching by claiming that is clear. Deru himself didn't think it was clear, or else he wouldn't have followed up saying that he was going to spell out what he meant in detail so that it would put the player argument in that thread to rest.

The only clarification I can see within the thread is someone saying the rule is unenforceable and Deru saying that corpsing is evidence of someone lying about drops. Again, supporting that corpsing is merely an example of the rule and not the rule itself. He doesn't really seem to clarify it anywhere else in the thread.

Can you point me in the right direction? Or are you talking about him clarifying the wait list rules?

[Mblake81]

As someone who 2boxed on dial-up, you're an idiot.

What was your setup like?

[supermonk]

y'all done summoed Mendens Avatar at Hadden camp. shame on you guys

[Vostok]

Less /list, not more

[Tecmos Deception]

The only clarification I can see within the thread is someone saying the rule is unenforceable and Deru saying that corpsing is evidence of someone lying about drops. Again, supporting that corpsing is merely an example of the rule and not the rule itself. He doesn't really seem to clarify it anywhere else in the thread.

Can you point me in the right direction? Or are you talking about him clarifying the wait list rules?

He doesn't clarify it. He said he was going to, but then never did. This seems like proof that Deru himself didn't consider the statement he made clear. Why would he plan on elaborating (again, even though he never actually did) if everyone already understood what he said?

A separate line of reasoning also shows the rule he stated to be unclear. The rule as written would yield ridiculous results in some circumstances (like someone farming misty guards having to yield their camp after getting am 11pp spear because "well you got the item you were here for, now it's my turn!"). So it certainly wasn't intended to be applied in the broadest sense possible.

The example we have right in the rule addresess a lore+no drop item, which of course you couldn't continue to camp to loot a 2nd one yourself without corpsing (which, if there is someone else waiting for the camp, would cause you to lose the camp anyways, since dying/zoning/LD forfeits a camp). However, possibilities like letting someone else loot the 2nd drop or letting the 2nd drop rot aren't addressed, and those things don't conflict with other rules so they aren't unreasonable possibilities that would need to be considered.

The other example given is about tranix crown. Deru says players should petition to find out if the item people were after drops. That's pretty silly. I really doubt GMs want to be checking who got what item when on a regular basis, and even then the player can argue they weren't actually after X drop but they really want Y drop.




Not. Clear.

[Tecmos Deception]

y'all done summoed Mendens Avatar at Hadden camp. shame on you guys

What is that, anyways? I thought maybe I could figure out a way to make a character with an underscore in the name, but I couldn't :(

[PabloEdvardo]

What was your setup like?

2 big ass CRTs, a couple old beige keyboards, and we used "phoneline home networking" so we could dial-up on one machine and share the connection throughout the house.

[doubledgedboard]

The example we have right in the rule addresess a lore+no drop item, which of course you couldn't continue to camp to loot a 2nd one yourself without corpsing (which, if there is someone else waiting for the camp, would cause you to lose the camp anyways, since dying/zoning/LD forfeits a camp). However, possibilities like letting someone else loot the 2nd drop or letting the 2nd drop rot aren't addressed, and those things don't conflict with other rules so they aren't unreasonable possibilities that would need to be considered.

This is a great example. e.g. when farming nets, the rare drop is a LORE item that I have no interest in. I'll be damned if I'm going to give up a camp just because another of the LORE drops, preventing me from getting the common drop I came for.

[Tilien]

He doesn't clarify it. He said he was going to, but then never did. This seems like proof that Deru himself didn't consider the statement he made clear. Why would he plan on elaborating (again, even though he never actually did) if everyone already understood what he said?

A separate line of reasoning also shows the rule he stated to be unclear. The rule as written would yield ridiculous results in some circumstances (like someone farming misty guards having to yield their camp after getting am 11pp spear because "well you got the item you were here for, now it's my turn!"). So it certainly wasn't intended to be applied in the broadest sense possible.

The example we have right in the rule addresess a lore+no drop item, which of course you couldn't continue to camp to loot a 2nd one yourself without corpsing (which, if there is someone else waiting for the camp, would cause you to lose the camp anyways, since dying/zoning/LD forfeits a camp). However, possibilities like letting someone else loot the 2nd drop or letting the 2nd drop rot aren't addressed, and those things don't conflict with other rules so they aren't unreasonable possibilities that would need to be considered.

The other example given is about tranix crown. Deru says players should petition to find out if the item people were after drops. That's pretty silly. I really doubt GMs want to be checking who got what item when on a regular basis, and even then the player can argue they weren't actually after X drop but they really want Y drop.




Not. Clear.

You brought up 2 "ridiculous" results. Since you're going to stubbornly deny that a stated rule is to be read as is I'll leave it at this response:

A) This applies to camps for specific items, while this may itself be vague so are many rules. I'd agree that applying this type of rule to xp camps or cash camps would be ridiculous and isn't within the scope of the rule.

B) Selling loot rights. This rule says if you get an item drop and sell it you've lost camp. Clearly stated in the "if the item drops, your camp is over" portion of the 1 sentence rule. Don't think people follow it? Petition them. I've never had to, I've never had a problem with people and camps. IDK where all this drama comes from.

Also the Tranix case he says if you have reason to believe, i.e. you already have evidence that they've gotten a drop. Which is the enforce ability issue, not a clarity issue. For example if Hadden only drops a pole or ear, and you see a non-pole holding Hadden go down the camp holder has gotten their earring.

You can argue it's a bad rule, or a rule no one TRIES to enforce, but it is the current ruling. If I had to I would petition on it, but it's never come up. I'm done now.

[Mblake81]

2 big ass CRTs, a couple old beige keyboards, and we used "phoneline home networking" so we could dial-up on one machine and share the connection throughout the house.

two, or more, computers?

what were the speeds like trying to share a single phone line back then, I remember mine being terribly slow surfing the net but EQ didn't require all that much.

[Mblake81]

edit.

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2001 4:40 pm (https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=927481)

a lan modem is the way to go.

my dad uses one for his office. you access it through an ip address to change login information. whenever 1 computer trys to access the internet it auto dials. once it's activated, any computer on the network can get on the net.

I had to mess with it because I was getting email addresses for his employees setup somewhat recently.

the modem plugs into a ethernet port.

I'm amazed that my dad has a network for his office. he's a cpa and can bearly use a computer beyond what he has to use


Rather ignorant of dial up networking, we didn't have one until cable came through and used separate phone lines for each. So you could run multiple computers off a single phone line, works well enough for to send/receive EQ it would seem. I was just getting into computers during the tail end of dial up.

[completionist]

https://i.imgur.com/1DJ6fry.png

looks like ole <IRONBORN> got POPPED.

[PabloEdvardo]

two, or more, computers?

what were the speeds like trying to share a single phone line back then, I remember mine being terribly slow surfing the net but EQ didn't require all that much.

two computers, win xp most likely

The internet was insanely slow, but just like you said, fine for two instances of EQ

[gnomishfirework]

https://i.imgur.com/1DJ6fry.png

looks like ole <IRONBORN> got POPPED.

My internet died =( 8 poles in. Was still two spawns until earring too, lol. Wtf hadden?