Running right past good camps

[larper99]

Joined a group yesterday. Was a full 6 of 18-20. The "leader" was reading from a leveling guide on the wiki and clearly didn't know the area west of HighPass.

We ran right through EK, NK and SK looking for any camp from the leveling guide. Simply would not listen to anyone suggesting Splitpaw, Griffs in the Karanas, the entirety of EK.

He did like the crag spiders in EK, but a couple of us continued to point out that they were camped. Leader didn't realize that they could be claimed as a camp. Ignored the griffs, hounds, etc in the rest of EK, and didn't know about the reavers.

The leader, and a few of his compatriots in the group, were entirely fearful of yellow and red cons. They were searching for blues, fercryinoutloud.

Who are these people, that simply read the script from a leveling guide, and run around looking for one of those sites un-camped? Not knowing that a full group can take on yellows and reds fairly well.

Oh, and one guy in the group simply claimed all loot without saying a word. Of course, no one else was interested in any of that spider silk. Truly a TRUE ninja looter, simply made sure that no one else got a chance to loot.

Rant ends.

[azeth]

The leader, and a few of his compatriots in the group, were entirely fearful of yellow and red cons. They were searching for blues, fercryinoutloud

Groups should be grinding blues/whites. When everyone is full mana and the group just starts, sure youll take down the red/yellow cons effectively. But consider after 5, 6, 7 yellow/red pulls, your healer is OOM/LOM, slower is OOM/LOM. Then its a math problem - is it more effective to kill 30 blue/whites til OOM or 10 yellow/reds.

Answer is blues/whites.

[larper99]

Groups should be grinding blues/whites. When everyone is full mana and the group just starts, sure youll take down the red/yellow cons effectively. But consider after 5, 6, 7 yellow/red pulls, your healer is OOM/LOM, slower is OOM/LOM. Then its a math problem - is it more effective to kill 30 blue/whites til OOM or 10 yellow/reds.

Answer is blues/whites.

Depends on what you are after. And since all of those blue camps were camped, all you are doing is picking off a couple of blue randoms once in a while. So why not pull some yellow and red splitpaws and see how you do? Why not tackle 'fennes and reavers?

The problem wasn't so much that they were afraid of them, it was that, being afraid of them, they ended up doing nothing. It was simply that such encounters were not in the leveling guide, and so for all intents and purposes didn't exist in their minds. They weren't adventuring, they were geocaching.

[zaneosak]

Blue cons in a group can be deadly bad for your efficiency, if its a high blue maybe it's worth it. You should try to find a place that is right at your level if you're in a full 6 man group. white cons, occasional blue, occasional yellow, I'd rather have yellows/white mostly than blues mostly, even if its harder.

[Natewest1987]

So, you joined a full group and roamed around mostly low ZEM zones, are under the impression that outdoor spiders can be claimed as a camp, tolerated killing blue monsters in said 6-man xp split, also, in said low ZEM zones... then come here to complain about “those people” and missing out on all the phat loot spider silks ???

Are you a troll or just as bad as the people you came to rant about ?

[larper99]

So, you joined a full group and roamed around mostly low ZEM zones, are under the impression that outdoor spiders can be claimed as a camp, tolerated killing blue monsters in said 6-man xp split, also, in said low ZEM zones... then come here to complain about “those people” and missing out on all the phat loot spider silks ???

Are you a troll or just as bad as the people you came to rant about ?

Well, I'll ignore the rest of your post since I don't need hate in my life. But for the spiders: I see people obviously camping a spawn, like crag spiders, and I am not going to interfere with them. I'll move on.

[Natewest1987]

Well, I'll ignore the rest of your post since I don't need hate in my life. But for the spiders: I see people obviously camping a spawn, like crag spiders, and I am not going to interfere with them. I'll move on.

Lol.
“Doesn’t need hate in his life,” yet makes a six paragraph thread in a public forum, condemning players who very well could recognize their own involvement in said post.

[cd288]

Groups should be grinding blues/whites. When everyone is full mana and the group just starts, sure youll take down the red/yellow cons effectively. But consider after 5, 6, 7 yellow/red pulls, your healer is OOM/LOM, slower is OOM/LOM. Then its a math problem - is it more effective to kill 30 blue/whites til OOM or 10 yellow/reds.

Answer is blues/whites.

Context is important though. I'm guessing OP is talking about killing blues but also throwing in the odd yellow or red con here and there as they find them. You can do that all day without issue.

[jackd104]

Who are these people? Probably just people who are newer to the game who have not spent years of their prime lives in Norrath. Why does that bother you so?

[Benanov]

Someone running right past good camps? Amazing. We need more of these. That way the good camps are open.

[M.J.]

The only thing I can think of in EK that might possibly sustain a full group is bard pulling gnoll hill and the field area toward the bridge and druid rings. Which isn't really a "good camp" so much as Bard welfare towards the little people in this era.

Would Splitpaw be snakes or some such? Invising around a dungeon full of reds is a lot of moving parts for the average exp group at your level... I wouldn't blame them for saying no to that. Heck I'm slightly impressed you guys even managed to make it through High Pass without the group falling apart.

[Veeshan31]

Man what a pathetic rant. This reads like you didn't have the balls to speak up in group and just stewed in your own anger and then posted it on the forums after the fact.

[BurtMacklinFBI]

this is the most beta male post i have ever read. man up and lead your own group or take charge when you see stupid shit happening.

[Tuljin]

Groups should be grinding blues/whites. When everyone is full mana and the group just starts, sure youll take down the red/yellow cons effectively. But consider after 5, 6, 7 yellow/red pulls, your healer is OOM/LOM, slower is OOM/LOM. Then its a math problem - is it more effective to kill 30 blue/whites til OOM or 10 yellow/reds.

Answer is blues/whites.

EQ should be renamed to "Kill Blue Mobs"

There are lots of nubs on this server and it's great that there are people new to the game but a lot of them believe everything the internet tells them. The wiki is a great resource but it's not infallible.

What's also amazing to me is how everybody on Green loads up their groups to 6. There is no bonus. It's just less XP for everyone and very rarely are you killing more mobs with the extra person/people.

The social aspect of EQ also involves "listening to your elders" and learning from people who actually know the game. A lot of people have a serious problem with this, especially coming from an on-rails "polished" game like WoW. It's quite frustrating really and it's not fun, especially when these people get other people killed all the way into low 40s.

Really instead of poring over the wiki you should get a few people together and.....kill blue mobs. Lots of them. Repeatedly.

EQ ----the game where the goal is --- kill blue mobs

[M.J.]

EQ ----the game where the goal is --- kill blue mobs

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[Veikuri]

What's the ideal party size and group composition? When would you ever want 6 people in a group?

[Tecmos Deception]

Well, I'll ignore the rest of your post since I don't need hate in my life. But for the spiders: I see people obviously camping a spawn, like crag spiders, and I am not going to interfere with them. I'll move on.

What he said was true. That it doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside doesn't mean it's "hate."

Lol.

[Smellybuttface]

And in true forum fashion, OP doesn't further reply to his own thread because he realized HE was the problem and was shown that in short order in the replies. I think he was expecting much hand-holding and shouts of huzzah in his favor against these dastardly newbie players who simply didn't know any better.

[cd288]

What's also amazing to me is how everybody on Green loads up their groups to 6. There is no bonus. It's just less XP for everyone and very rarely are you killing more mobs with the extra person/people.

If you care so much about min/maxing your XP per hour such that you're refusing to let people join your group and instead sit there LFG for lengthy amounts of their session, then you're kind of missing the overarching point of the game. Kind of ironic that you get frustrated with WoW players later in your comment when refusing to let people join your group so you can min/max your EXP is definitely more of a modern MMO player (e.g. WoW) mentality.

[Tecmos Deception]

If you care so much about min/maxing your XP per hour such that you're refusing to let people join your group and instead sit there LFG for lengthy amounts of their session, then you're kind of missing the overarching point of the game. Kind of ironic that you get frustrated with WoW players later in your comment when refusing to let people join your group so you can min/max your EXP is definitely more of a modern MMO player (e.g. WoW) mentality.

Yuck.

[Kron]

Based on you're explanation I bet it was not a quick 10-15 min run to check things out. So then my question is if you noticed that you don't agree with the current leader why stay?

I have joined groups in the past and notice it's a hot mess so I tell them something like "Sorry guys I just dropped my bagel bites all over the floor and got to make a fresh batch... thanks again for the invite byeeeee."

or

"Ooo snap I forgot I left my kid at school (I don't have kids) got to get that little rascal since it's been like 4 hrs since I was suppose to pick him up... Byeeee."

[heyokah]

OP is a millenial

[larper99]

OP is a millenial

No, OP is much older than that.

You are all correct. I should not have post my rant. I realized it quite soon after. I don't usually post things like that, and I apologize.

However, what I was trying to say was that I didn't understand people who go only by the wiki and leveling guide. As for the rest, it was out of line.

I lead groups, and I don't exit groups simply because it's unorganized. I was trying to steer them to some encounters, and they didn't listen. I stuck with them in hopes of having fun. Turned out it wasn't fun. I shouldn't have ranted for that.