Population settling

[Frug]

Looks like Green and Teal have settled into the familiar and common "slow decline after launch" pattern in population, and both of them are tracking almost identically to each other in % of population slide.

Interestingly, today for the first time Teal dipped below Blue's population for a couple hours. Were there server issues on Teal today? (All times EST)

https://i.imgur.com/D4GUzuW.png

[Tilien]

Teal is trending to have a lower peak pop than Blue by end of January/February time, we'll see if planes saves it or not.

[omguh]

interesting to see what post-holiday looks like, followed by planes. I'm guessing an uptick of some sort.

[aaezil]

Its pop day on blue so nerds logged out of teal/green to slay dragons on blue

[Tilien]

Its pop day on blue so nerds logged out of teal/green to slay dragons on blue

I mean this would be a valid argument but Blue has had a steady population since November with maybe a small decline, while Teal/Green have both dropped by hundreds in the same time frame. Green/Teal are shrinking/stabilizing still, and that decline is not transient.

[Albanwr]

Not sure why its important really. The only thing that is is if you and others are having fun...well are you? I am.

[vossiewulf]

Not sure why its important really. The only thing that is is if you and others are having fun...well are you? I am.

This, only relevant for server planning purposes.

[Swish]

Why are we using 5am EST as an indicator for possibly merging servers?

[zodium]

Why are we using 5am EST as an indicator for possibly merging servers?

confirmation bias

[stewe]

A server doesnt need more then 500-900 ppl on it, leave teal and green alone, teal doesnt want your seal team aids, we already got kingdom taking that spot

[apeBits]

Green is bluer than teal is, or so it seems. Keep both #nevermerge

[lordpazuzu]

A server doesnt need more then 500-900 ppl on it, leave teal and green alone, teal doesnt want your seal team aids, we already got kingdom taking that spot

Considering the game was designed to have 1-2k players on simultaneously, 500-900 is a tad empty for anyone not wanted to cram into the same 3 dungeons or get into a pissing match over who gets to solo the best places.

[Bazia]

Literally the only people who don't want merge are kingdom shitters afraid of seal team. Teal is a dying server we were told if pop dropped they would be merged. I only moved because it didn't feel risky because of promise of merge if things went wrong.

[cd288]

Not gonna say I told y'all so, but...

[Nirgon]

A server doesnt need more then 500-900 ppl on it, leave teal and green alone, teal doesnt want your seal team aids, we already got kingdom taking that spot

There's gonna be a whole new kind of AIDS post merge

[Whirled]

Not gonna say I told y'all so, but...
This post reminded me of the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGYLNHfUwE
I agree with another post saying gnomerge evah

[El-Hefe]

I’m pretty sure the people shouting for a merger are high on bath salts and have no idea what they’re saying. Population has just barely reached non cancerous levels.

[Wallicker]

Please do same graph from 7pm to midnight, numbers will probably be roughly 3x what this shows

[cd288]

This post reminded me of the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGYLNHfUwE
I agree with another post saying gnomerge evah

Hindsight is something you say after something happens when you didn't warn of it before as well. Not really applicable here. There were multiple people who said this would happen and happen quickly.

Please do same graph from 7pm to midnight, numbers will probably be roughly 3x what this shows

Last night it was like 750 or so on Green IIRC (fluctuated up and down through the hours of course).

I’m pretty sure the people shouting for a merger are high on bath salts and have no idea what they’re saying. Population has just barely reached non cancerous levels.

Eh, it depends on where you go. If you're in the standard Blue leveling highway, then sure you can find groups (although I haven't seen many yard groups in Unrest). It's becoming tough to find groups off the beaten path now though; much harder to find a solid one in Befallen lately, Karana bandits are hit or miss, no one at BB Chessboard anymore or at the Bandit/Gob camps there besides soloers who don't want to take anyone else on, Derv and Orc Camps are usually empty, Highpass is about 50/50 (sometimes less) whether there will be a group there or not, etc. If your definition of great population is being able to almost always find groups only in the ZEM highway zones + Oasis, then sure it's great. But I think one of the big draws of a fresh server was seeing groups out in the world like the old days, which doesn't happen anymore with great frequency now that the pop has sunk.

[RipVanFish]

When the staff split the servers, one of their big stated reasons was end game content. They said that many players simply can’t be accommodated by classic’s very limited end game dungeons.

I don’t think this has changed.

[TripSin]

A server doesnt need more then 500-900 ppl on it, leave teal and green alone, teal doesnt want your seal team aids, we already got kingdom taking that spot

But then seal team and kingdom would have to deal with each other being aids. Seems worth to me.

[El-Hefe]

Hindsight is something you say after something happens when you didn't warn of it before as well. Not really applicable here. There were multiple people who said this would happen and happen quickly.



Last night it was like 750 or so on Green IIRC (fluctuated up and down through the hours of course).



Eh, it depends on where you go. If you're in the standard Blue leveling highway, then sure you can find groups (although I haven't seen many yard groups in Unrest). It's becoming tough to find groups off the beaten path now though; much harder to find a solid one in Befallen lately, Karana bandits are hit or miss, no one at BB Chessboard anymore or at the Bandit/Gob camps there besides soloers who don't want to take anyone else on, Derv and Orc Camps are usually empty, Highpass is about 50/50 (sometimes less) whether there will be a group there or not, etc. If your definition of great population is being able to almost always find groups only in the ZEM highway zones + Oasis, then sure it's great. But I think one of the big draws of a fresh server was seeing groups out in the world like the old days, which doesn't happen anymore with great frequency now that the pop has sunk.

I think people have just outleveled all the places you’ve named. I don’t think repopulating newbie zones is worth jamming all 1k characters above level 30 into half a dozen zones.

(Yes, I’m exaggerating.)

[Tilien]

I think people have just outleveled all the places you’ve named. I don’t think repopulating newbie zones is worth jamming all 1k characters above level 30 into half a dozen zones.

(Yes, I’m exaggerating.)


Imagine actively campaigning for Green/Teal to become end-game servers before end of life time.

Welcome to Blue... I mean Green.

[El-Hefe]

Imagine actively campaigning for Green/Teal to become end-game servers before end of life time.

Welcome to Blue... I mean Green.

So... are you going to force people to make alts or...?

[Tilien]

So... are you going to force people to make alts or...?

You already stated the solution: Merging servers will ensure under 30 zones are populated by merging.

[El-Hefe]

You already stated the solution: Merging servers will ensure under 30 zones are populated by merging.

So... sacrifice playability for the majority of players so that there will be groups in unpopular low level zones?

Can't say that makes a lot of sense.

[bum3]

Us people who aren't seal and kingdom are catching up to them and are more and more having to deal with the toxic people more and more every day and are wondering why we decided this was a good idea to relive blue again. But that being said.. Kingdom is a lot less toxic than another guild I wont name on teal. But yeah lguk dead side, hhk, and even MM is starting to go downhill fast. People training for camps. Stealing mobs. Name calling. Thank goodness I can just go to underpopulated dungeons and live my life in peace with my slow, non drama exp.

[Polycaster]

Us people who aren't seal and kingdom are catching up to them and are more and more having to deal with the toxic people more and more every day


I've found things at the rarified levels to be quite convivial, even at big loot camps with the supposed server villains <Seal Team>. From what I've seen it's mainly the midlevel hordes were the shit tier people are; scrubs at the game, scrubs at the social scene. Most of the people whining about drama are the ones causing it; if everywhere you go there are assholes, most likely it is you that is the asshole.

We elite early 50s will look back on these days as a peaceful Golden Age, before the retard hordes arrived with their poor game play and even poorer attempts at rules lawyering.

[Tilien]

So... sacrifice playability for the majority of players so that there will be groups in unpopular low level zones?

Can't say that makes a lot of sense.

You sure your not on Red? You personally are not the majority as an individual.

Here's my claim: low population leveling zones result in it being difficult for the server to get new people or sustain it's population.

My proof will come in about... A month, month and a half when Teal's peak population dips below Blue.

If March comes and it has not happened I'll admit you're correct and most people currently playing are there for late game stuff, but if Teal's peak population dips below Blue I want you to admit that Teal is solidly dying.

Deal?


Edit: I also decided to check what % of the population is over 30, and it is not a vast majority of the population on Teal. At the moment of 517 players on Teal 252, or just under half, are between 30 and 50.

[El-Hefe]

You sure your not on Red? You personally are not the majority as an individual.

Here's my claim: low population leveling zones result in it being difficult for the server to get new people or sustain it's population.

My proof will come in about... A month, month and a half when Teal's peak population dips below Blue.

If March comes and it has not happened I'll admit you're correct and most people currently playing are there for late game stuff, but if Teal's peak population dips below Blue I want you to admit that Teal is solidly dying.

Deal?


Edit: I also decided to check what % of the population is over 30, and it is not a vast majority of the population on Teal. At the moment of 517 players on Teal 252, or just under half, are between 30 and 50.

This got weird, quick. Find some other weirdo to make deals under your own obscure metrics with. Lol

[Frug]

Please do same graph from 7pm to midnight, numbers will probably be roughly 3x what this shows

https://unixgeek.com/eqemu.html By all means, feel free. The point of the post was simply to note that *for the first time* blue > teal, and it interested me. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Tilien]

This got weird, quick. Find some other weirdo to make deals under your own obscure metrics with. Lol

No data: Teal is populated perfectly


Finds out Teal's population is dropping to Blue levels: Lol, this is weird, I'm not talking.

[El-Hefe]

No data: Teal is populated perfectly


Finds out Teal's population is dropping to Blue levels: Lol, this is weird, I'm not talking.

Nah, you just got all weird, lol.

"Okay, okay... So if in three months, if the servers have certain numbers that I just came up with in my head you'll admit you're wrong!"

Does this work a lot on other message boards?

[Tilien]

Nah, you just got all weird, lol.

"Okay, okay... So if in three months, if the servers have certain numbers that I just came up with in my head you'll admit you're wrong!"

Does this work a lot on other message boards?

I mean your claim is that Teal's pop is going strong and doesn't need to merged, right? Or at least, the population in your level band.

So I guess let me rephrase: Would Teal's peak population dropping under the dead beta server's population convince you that Teal should be merged?

[zodium]

I mean your claim is that Teal's pop is going strong and doesn't need to merged, right? Or at least, the population in your level band.

So I guess let me rephrase: Would Teal's peak population dropping under the dead beta server's population convince you that Teal should be merged?

it's almost like blue isn't dead

[Tilien]

it's almost like blue isn't dead

Shh don't tell him that.

[Evia]

Blue is most definitely not dead.

[cd288]

I mean your claim is that Teal's pop is going strong and doesn't need to merged, right? Or at least, the population in your level band.

So I guess let me rephrase: Would Teal's peak population dropping under the dead beta server's population convince you that Teal should be merged?

I would just not engage. He generally can’t admit when he’s been wrong about things.

[Man0warr]

Not really a fair comparison though. Blue has access to ~3x as much content as Green/Teal, so the population is much more spread out. With just Classic zones, Teal can still feel overcrowded in some zones - and it just gets worse the closer you get to 50.

[vossiewulf]

Signed on this evening to see almost 1600 between between Green and Teal. Oh yeah, merging them would surely make everything better.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Merge em

[cd288]

Signed on this evening to see almost 1600 between between Green and Teal. Oh yeah, merging them would surely make everything better.

Would ideally force people to stop crowding in only the ZEM highway zones while leveling (which is what the split essentially caused) and force people to go back to grouping elsewhere in the world which was such an awesome thing that was happening pre-merge.

[Pyrocat]

Would ideally force people to stop crowding in only the ZEM highway zones while leveling.

No, it wouldn't.

[cd288]

No, it wouldn't.

Really? Because when Green launched and it was just one server I saw tons of groups in pretty much every zone. Camping things like the goblins, bandits, and chessboard in BB as just one example, which are never camped by groups on Blue and haven't been camped on Green or Teal since the split except infrequently by soloers.

[bum3]

No, it wouldn't.

You are correct. The amount of people sitting in HHK with lfg on and you send them tells to come to other places and they are like nah... i'll just wait for hhk group.

[cd288]

You are correct. The amount of people sitting in HHK with lfg on and you send them tells to come to other places and they are like nah... i'll just wait for hhk group.

IMO, HK is sort of an exception given the large amount of benefits it has beyond just it's ZEM (e.g., cash loot, banks and vendors, melees binding in zone, goblin ears, etc.). Lends itself to that type of response. Whereas if I was in like Unrest or Befallen sitting around LFGing for awhile, I would definitely go somewhere else if it was an option.

[korzax]

Really? Because when Green launched and it was just one server I saw tons of groups in pretty much every zone. Camping things like the goblins, bandits, and chessboard in BB as just one example, which are never camped by groups on Blue and haven't been camped on Green or Teal since the split except infrequently by soloers.

There has not been any group in those places since everyone leveled past those camps. The sky is not falling, no matter how hard you wish it to be so.

[cd288]

There has not been any group in those places since everyone leveled past those camps. The sky is not falling, no matter how hard you wish it to be so.

I dont really care if they merge or not at the end of the day, so no I dont wish anything to be so. Simply stating facts. There are people with plenty of alts on Green at this point, so it's not an issue of lack of lower level characters. Simply no one goes to those zones because they don't really need to, they can just sit in the ZEM highway.

If it was true that there are no lower level characters being XPed on, zones like CB and Unrest would be completely dead too, which they are not.