RACE WAR!

[Madbad]

What Norrathian Race do you think would win in an all, balls to the wall, battle royal style, race war.


Please show your work!

[Tecmos Deception]

Humans, because they have the broadest range of classes so would be able to form the most well-balanced groups.

[Grimgor]

Humans, because they have the broadest range of classes so would be able to form the most well-balanced groups.

Just fight at night and humans won't be able to see what's going on.

Seriously though. Probably humans because of how many classes they can be.

[grinsly]

What Norrathian Race do you think would win in an all, balls to the wall, battle royal style, race war.


Please show your work!

During which era or xpac?

[Tilien]

Okay so we make 100 level 1 toons of each race in Kunark era so Iksars can get in on this. Leveling, farming, etc. is allowed. No respawns but clerics can rez within 3 hours if they get high enough to rez. The biggest factors will be how much level 1 brawling there will be, because being able to get to late game will make a big difference. Overall I give the W to Iksars in kunark era because they have so much more room than the other races. When another race finally raches the gates of cabillis, the Iksar army will be close to 100 strong and high level. Few other races will be able to level and farm gear in such otherwise uninterrupted prosperity.

Barbarians- They'll do decently, they have enough leveling material to get far, but are isolated enough not to get caught in initial crossfire. Class choice is limited, and no porting will make taking the top spot a challenge. 6/10 overall.

Dark Elves- They'll make a showing, but most likely won't get far. They're going to run into Freeport humans fairly early. Decent class choices make them a good contender if they can claim EC from the human threat. 6/10.


Dwarves- No ports, and surrounded by enemies. If the elves kill themselves off they can have most of a continent between themselves and the gnomes, but lack of porting will make end game hard. 5/10

Erudites- Ports, rezzes, they have it all. Problem is getting through Qeynos. Early fighting will make this hard for the Erudites. 5/10.

Gnomes- Ports and rezzes, but crowded starting area with the 4 races on Faydwer, will mostly rely on wood elves and high elves killing each other early. 7/10.

Half elves- Join or die. With multiple starting area but no exclusively half elf starting area means early ganks and early deaths unless everyone here starts in the same spot. 2/10.

Halflings- Decent isolated start, rezzes, ports. Overall solid choice, level in Runnyeye and branch into high keep once the human/dark elf war has died down. 7/10.

High elves- Enemies at their gates on day 1. Although decent with ports and rezzes early ganks will be a problem. 4/10.

Humans- Starting sharing territories with half elves, and with dark elves and erudites pushing both starting cities will make this hard. 4/10.

Iksar- The show stoppers. They have a whole continent of level 1-60 leveling and gear at their door step, no competition. No rezzes and ports will make end game hard, but they will likely have the numbers over anyone else. 8/10

Ogres- No rezzes, no ports, start near trolls for early gankes. 4/10.

Trolls- See ogres. 4/10.

Wood elves- Start with high elves near by and half elves within their city. Early ganks will bleed the population hard, but ports will help late game. 3/10.

[Madbad]

During which era or xpac?

p99 relevant.

Extra points if you guys use lore to explain your position.

[Neno]

If all races started in their specific home cities and we used lore and not just in game mechanics then gnomes win hands down. They are capable of constructing robot armies and they have the superior navy. Like wooden ships would just get chewed up by a fleet of Icebreakers. It isn't really stated if Breezeboot made the gnasher or not but if that is gnome tech they also have high end energy weapons. They have access to all arcane schools of magic, cleric, warriors, rogues and they can be further kitted out with tinkering and jboots/tboots.

They easily win the war of Faydwer. Elves fight each other and gnomes sweep up the rest. Kelethin is turned into the world's largest lumberyard. They send their robot soldiers into Kaladim to claim the mines. Dwarves are strong but there is no possible way they can hold off against the magic and technology of the Gnomish Empire. With Faydwer secured they have enough natural resources to last them the length of the war. All they need to do is fortify the island and turn Faydwer into a fortress and continue to build robots, weapons, and ships. No other race can match their technological and resource advantages.

[Madbad]

https://i.imgur.com/kFZSVr4.gif

[Jauna]

Humans, hands down.
lack-of-a-non-bannable-word "darker" humans lack physical prowless, they cant even get rid of cat people and tried to banish them to the moon and utterly fucked up and paved the way to the dark eras of everquest which eventually gave birth to p99 and its spinoffs teal and green even on a small island they cant even work together to be a bump in the road
ogres/trolls lack rezzes/wide array of buffs and a verity of long range-ness. also trolls are cunts
dark elves are too frail and too proud to fully accept ogre/troll help, race wars and all that
wood/high elves share the erudite tier physical prowless, also pride from high elves will be their downfall because they too look down on wood and half elves
dwarves and gnomes are too spiritually split because one thinks rock-rock is good, others think smart-rock is also a thing and working together is total bullshit because both sides will fall back onto pride and accepting two shales from the same shale are equal and fuck that jazz. race wars, bitch. holy fucking shine just imagine the powerhouse of a tinkering powered dwarf warrior. armor, weapons, grappling hooks backed up by magical heals, buffs and other buffs. because they cant
half elves are never really accepted on either side because high elves are bitches to wood elves and humans are humans and the fact that lore-wise half elves are rare as fuck because human x wood elf lust is rare, and just as rare as conception they should be a nonfactor
barbs would die off without human help
1/2lings are too busy jacking it with jumjum juice and lets face it, once a human wizard/mage fire spell singes their foothair off its game over
iksars are a slave race and will always be that way and the fact they have just a large outpost in their name in all the world just signifies their own doom and wont even make it to the actual literal race wars before some goblins or stocky panda bears would make belts outta them

I mean outside of lacking Focus(shaman), what do humans have against them? Whats the point of living 500 years if you die to an age 18 human who knows how to summon dirt and fire?

[Jauna]

oh shit i wall of texted

sorry

[DMN]

It might actually be high elves. they have very few "shit PVP classes" available

[Zal22]

Talking about eq pvp is fun.











If you have a brain injury.

[loramin]

Clearly it'd have to be Humans, Elves, or Dark Elves: everyone else hasn't even mastered the basics of extending their influence beyond a single city, whereas each of those races at least figured out how to setup a major base of operation somewhere besides their original home (Freeport/Qeynos, Felwithe/Firiona Vie, Neriak/The Overthere).

Heck, depending on your definition of "race" and "city" you could even argue Elves have three (Kelethin also) and Humans have five (Surefall Glade, Erudin, and Halas also).

[loramin]

P.S. I guess Dwarves might have a chance, as they kinda have two (Kaladim and Thurgadin), again depending on how you define "race".

[zodium]

halflings have their own plane, get on our level

[Wonkie]

Humans, hands down.
lack-of-a-non-bannable-word "darker" humans lack physical prowless, they cant even get rid of cat people and tried to banish them to the moon and utterly fucked up and paved the way to the dark eras of everquest which eventually gave birth to p99 and its spinoffs teal and green even on a small island they cant even work together to be a bump in the road
ogres/trolls lack rezzes/wide array of buffs and a verity of long range-ness. also trolls are cunts
dark elves are too frail and too proud to fully accept ogre/troll help, race wars and all that
wood/high elves share the erudite tier physical prowless, also pride from high elves will be their downfall because they too look down on wood and half elves
dwarves and gnomes are too spiritually split because one thinks rock-rock is good, others think smart-rock is also a thing and working together is total bullshit because both sides will fall back onto pride and accepting two shales from the same shale are equal and fuck that jazz. race wars, bitch. holy fucking shine just imagine the powerhouse of a tinkering powered dwarf warrior. armor, weapons, grappling hooks backed up by magical heals, buffs and other buffs. because they cant
half elves are never really accepted on either side because high elves are bitches to wood elves and humans are humans and the fact that lore-wise half elves are rare as fuck because human x wood elf lust is rare, and just as rare as conception they should be a nonfactor
barbs would die off without human help
1/2lings are too busy jacking it with jumjum juice and lets face it, once a human wizard/mage fire spell singes their foothair off its game over
iksars are a slave race and will always be that way and the fact they have just a large outpost in their name in all the world just signifies their own doom and wont even make it to the actual literal race wars before some goblins or stocky panda bears would make belts outta them

I mean outside of lacking Focus(shaman), what do humans have against them? Whats the point of living 500 years if you die to an age 18 human who knows how to summon dirt and fire?

blue team wins on paper but never in practice. noone wants to play a human.

Orange team stood tall solo against all the other three. THE BEST

[Madbad]

Dark elves have a foothold on 3 continents. Neriak, castle mistmoore, and the outpost.

Our cliff golems and iron guardians shall storm the walls of your cities.

The one true God Innorruk shall lead us to victory against the uncultured hoards.

[Jimjam]

Spiroc as they are the only NPCs smart enough to use rez.

[Pozzey]

Dwarfs, gnomes and half-lings are too small, you can hold them at arms length.
Wood elves, high elves and Erudites are too high/stoned, easy to overpower.
Ogres and trolls represent an accurate depiction of the P99 population (you).
Humans inevitably self implode.
Iksars have severe skin conditions and will run out of lotion.

By the art of deduction, its a throw up between dark elves, half elves and barbarians...

[Secrets]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYy77IGsBFc

[Bazia]

iksar, they come from a harsher environment and can get level 60 before everyone else

[Madbad]

Iksar shall serve the dark elves as the born slaves they are

[kaluppo]

Everyone knows Dom Toretto always wins race wars :D

[Bardp1999]

Barbarians would descend upon Qeynos and cuckold the entire city quickly. From there it would be only a matter of time before we were able to subdue the Erudites on their island. With the West firmly in control, the slow march to taking over Antonica would begin and the other races would all tremble before the might of the Barbarian Horde

[Phillosopher27]

Haflings...hands down the worst race in the history of everquest.

[Swish]

Haflings...hands down the worst race in the history of everquest.

[Nirgon]

Erudites would turn every other city into a crater

[Madbad]

Erudites are the only other race we shall tolerate... As long as they stay on Odus.

[Jauna]

Erudites would turn every other city into a crater

Norrath to be renamed Detroit 2020

[raski]

it could be done on red...

[Wallicker]

https://wiki.project1999.com/King_Ak%60Anon

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/6Z2QSzS.jpg

[Madbad]

https://wiki.project1999.com/King_Ak%60Anon

Defeated with a handful sand.

[saftbudet]

Wow who would thought! The most powerful creature in eq classic is a robot gnome.

[Troxx]

Any race without clerics (troll, woodedelf, ogre, iksar, barbarian, half elves) are toast before the war gets properly underway. Half the races lose right off the bat. Races without porters (ie no wiz or druids) lack strategic mobility.

Halflings have very few playable races; no winner there.
High elves? Only one melee. No dice.
Erudites have no warriors. No sow. No dice.
Dwarves? Stout and sturdy but no intelligence casters. No sow. Not contenders.

The races with best chances?
-gnome (good class spread)
-dark elves: as above; add shadowknight
-human: they have all classes except shaman.

Humans win. Diversity means they miss out only on the class only available to races without clerics.

-Humans start out with domination of opposing sides of the largest continent. A slow pincer strategy controlling the coasts and squeezing out the competition between. Oggok and Grobb are close proximity and destined to fight each other into the ground. Leaving qeynos (with HHP as a forward base) to run over rivervale. Dark elves put up a formidable and balanced force and will not drop quickly. Freeport/neriak stalemate. Humans mop up grobb and oggok easily (no rez).

-iksars start out with an isolation advantage but won’t hold out in the end without the ability to rez the dead.

-faydwer will fall to gnomes in the long run with kelethin dropping first followed by felwithe. Kaladim holds out for a long while but this only helps out Freeport since they can ignore the coast behind them and focus inward on their continent.

-Odus enjoys initial peace and prosperity but lack the power to assault qeynos. Erudites live until humans of antonica dominate most of the the mainland and then go down in an epic assault.

You’re then left with an iksar hoard controlling kunark, gnomes infesting faydwer, and humans controlling 80-90% of Antonica. With no enemies at their backs qeynos fortified oasis and 2 human armies are now free to invade neriak. Outnumbered, the dark elves will fall unless gnomes invaded from the East (which they won’t do - they give up strategic advantage of fortifying and digging into butcher block mountains.

Humans have antonica/odus
Gnomes have faydwer
Iksar have kunark.

The invasion of Kunark is bloody but iksar have few classes and no rez. Iksars don’t stand a chance but losses will be great.

Final showdown is between gnomes and humans. A massive fleet invasion on butcherblock combined with snipe squads porting into gfay and steamfont; the gnomes are overrun.

Humans win. Strategic starting locations, proximity fighting between opposing races, and the near full complement of starting classes. It wouldn’t even be close.

[Troxx]

I left out barbarians but as with any race lacking rez, they don’t stand a chance. If you’re a race without clerics ... once you’re dead u ded. Races with clerics can play more aggressively and push boundaries because a death is only temporary unless you can completely overrun the clerics at the rear. Swarms of low level rogues can always sneak/hide drag the dead back to base camp.

[Madbad]

Opal Darkbrier has been corrupting the human cities from within for years. When the time comes the humans will supplicate themselves and beg for our mercy like the herd animals they are.

[Mblake81]

Opal Darkbrier has been corrupting the human cities from within for years. When the time comes the humans will supplicate themselves and beg for our mercy like the herd animals they are.

I was about to say.. they have Freeport and Highkeep and could probably overrun the underbelly of Qeynos as well. Humans may very well be the first way of diverse shock troops, followed by 10ft tall ogres wrecking everyting and the trolls cleaning up the battlefield (lunch).

Dark Elves would be the true victors in EQ.

[azeth]

Wow who would thought! The most powerful creature in eq classic is a robot gnome.

Jaled Dars Shade definitely is a tier above the king gnome. King hits like a truck but 7200 hp is about 10 seconds of a velious geared raid force attacking

[Mblake81]

Drow vs. Gnome King.

The drow dominated all of the races except for the Gnomes and the Erudites, who both the Drow forces and the Mecha Gnomes teamed up on. Due to the high brow foolishness of the Erudites experiments came the creation of Moon Cats, a travesty that had ruined the land. The men of Odus and all of their followers were ground into dust and forgotten memories.

The gnomes fortified their homeland with mechs and the RoboKing. It is said that each of the mecha gnome guards carries a beating wood elf heart in its metal chest. The gnomes saved what they could from the bodies littering the woodland floor. Nothing remained of the High Elves except some books on Elf Law.

There was a great standoff for generations although the Drow considered themselves to be the winner of due to holding the majority of land in the name of their God.

[Syche]

I love gnomes and play them for ever class they can be.

I think the above breakdown that has the Iksar, Humans, and Gnomes as the final three is right...lore wise, gnome's ability to tinker defenders/support would win out against blind humans.

Overall, loved the analysis here. Gnomes are the master race though.

[Swish]

Gnomes are just angry players.

[Madbad]

The vampire hoards flowing from the castle of Mayong Mistmoore shall darken the skies of Faydwer.

Our orc allies shall clear-cut all of Faydark, and our gnome slaves will use the lumber to create the greatest navy in all of norrath.

[Mblake81]

I think...Iksar

hah.. slave food of snakemen that were run out of their city by a big flying snake. Iksar blood wine is an aphrodisiac sold at the Maiden's Fancy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr--mN4TBSk).

[Wallicker]

Jaled Dars Shade definitely is a tier above the king gnome. King hits like a truck but 7200 hp is about 10 seconds of a velious geared raid force attacking

King Akanon has wayyyyyyy more hp than 7200

[Mblake81]

King Ak'Anon (https://wiki.project1999.com/King_Ak%60Anon) has

( an AC rating of 1337 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet) )