Kingdom, facepulling, and HHK trains.

[bmcgaffey20]

Anyone else experience kingdom training groups all over HHK? You kindly ask them to stop and they just tell you to get out of the way. Apparently unaware all you have to do is put agro into a mob before you drag it past a group... no... not unaware, just unwilling. So you take it a little higher up and this is how they respond.

https://i.ibb.co/5FFGfRB/kingdom.png (https://imgbb.com/)

I guess we're all expected to just move aside once kingdom shows up to a zone, or else they will just train the shit out of you and call it your fault.

[Wallicker]

/popcorn

[DMN]

My advice is to pull guards up on to the ramparts or into the rooms to kill them. This will significantly reduce your chances of getting "nobled". the place has been unrest-like for awhile now.

[Phillosopher27]

how many times have we seen trains in HHK? I mean the zone is literally filled with them day in and day out. We should ask for a HHK 2.0 Revamp!

[alternn]

They should just reduce the zem to 75 and poof all their problems are gone

[HedleyKow]

I mean, if you're looking for someone to help you with something, then maybe try not being a dick the entire conversation and you'll have better results.

[bmcgaffey20]

Trains are one thing... but these are pulls not trains. They aren't putting agro into them, nor caring about killing others as they go back to their group. So effectively there is no where to be because they run from 4th jumping out the window, through first, back to bards / nobles on second floor. Training whoever is at chopin, whoever is at blayle, and anywhere inbetween. If they should happen to need to train out to zone, all of that goes back everywhere. Sometimes Carson McCabe wrecks a half dozen people.

[bmcgaffey20]

@Hedley yeah, totally my fault. lol.

[HedleyKow]

@Hedley yeah, totally my fault. lol.

Agreed, but non-ssarcastically.

Probably the same reason you didn't have luck talking to the group and their puller. Not being an asshole goes a long way when dealing with other people.

[bmcgaffey20]

Yeah, thats exactly why nobody else has any luck getting them to stop either... damn, I should've thought about being nice. That will work!

[Chocolope]

op sounds bad at eq

[Wallicker]

The problem is if you don’t stand on the spawn points, someone else will and claim the camp, or the “pull” will pick up all your mobs. If pulling across multiple floors the responsibility should be on the puller. Server rules dictate you are responsible for your trains. Best solution would be to make lady McCabe spawn somewhere on second floor, so nobles groups don’t have to train everyone to squeeze out that last little bit of xp.

[Wallicker]

PS. Highkeep is a special place for special people if you don’t have thick skin don’t go

[Albanwr]

Just camp the mobs that they are not at. If they are not at the "camp" then they can not claim it.

They could in theory split up their group to camp everything I guess, but that is not their goal. HHK has many "camps", claim one, and stay train free. If people train your camp, simply petition and ignore until guides show up.

[Morratiz]

I can kinda understand OP's frustration because you dont even need to pull through chopin when pulling 3rd floor noble / carson / mistress/ ducylna. you can just take the hallway right next to staircase and avoid chopin room altogether. Pullers are legit just not giving a fuck.

That being said you're still at fault for all subsequent deaths at that point because you literally know what the puller is doing yet still sit in a location where you're bound to be trained eventually

[HedleyKow]

He said it was 4 guards, so I'm assuming it was the guards leading up to the third floor. They shouldn't aggro on someone at Chopin unless the puller ran through Chopin's room instead of going around it like he should have.

That being said, if OP had simply asked the puller nicely to not to pull through Chopin's room because doing so resulted in him getting aggro, then they almost certainly would have obliged and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Instead, OP chose to rage at people and is somehow surprised that they didn't respond well to it.

[bmcgaffey20]

@Morratiz thanks for acknowledging. I agree I can move, but also @wallickers point, if you move off of chopin another guy will move in.

[bmcgaffey20]

@hedley raged at the guild leader, was nice to the person who pulled until they told me to move out of my camp so they could continue to facepull as many mobs as they can find right through my camp.

[bmcgaffey20]

Or... whatever he is. Officer, leader, interim leader.

[Wonkie]

Run OP. The hungry trolls want to eat you.

[bmcgaffey20]

Leeerrooyyy....... somethings got to be done!

[Phillosopher27]

Isn’t Timesharez Maibbin’s alt? Pretty sure thats Lineage guild leader.

[Canelek]

Cool post Maibbin. Looks like you are branching out.

[Bazia]

people who yell at others for training are retards, no one is doing it intentionally and with the post-pathing destruction patch it's literally no ones fault that it keeps happening in every zone

[Theosupus]

Any video? Was someone training through choplin room? People normally pull into safe room or bard room and typically do not run through choplin's room.

[Kirrund]

Diplomacy goes a long way. He's not wrong.

[XCJason99]

Had an incident where a Kingdom person thought it would be funny to manipulate a list and tell people on the list to come out to the camp then tell them there was no spot available while stacking it with his guildmates. Talked to an officer, supposedly GM, and I got a response of, "Sorry im raiding right now."

All I needed to know.

[DMN]

Had an incident where a Kingdom person thought it would be funny to manipulate a list and tell people on the list to come out to the camp then tell them there was no spot available while stacking it with his guildmates. Talked to an officer, supposedly GM, and I got a response of, "Sorry im raiding right now."

All I needed to know.

WTF does this even mean? All I need to know is this is a throw away account and you seem to be a morn.

[Zeboim]

Had an incident where a Kingdom person thought it would be funny to manipulate a list and tell people on the list to come out to the camp then tell them there was no spot available while stacking it with his guildmates. Talked to an officer, supposedly GM, and I got a response of, "Sorry im raiding right now."

All I needed to know.

Sounds like you were laying around being a deadbeat soaking up a list spot while this guy built an actual group that could clear the list camp.

[AgentEpilot]

First the Crushbone Kerfuffle and now the HHK hootenanny. What other malarky awaits our distraught Norrath! I personally hope its something to do with griffins or maybe a good old fashioned cyclops wafflestomp.

[Sizar]

I camped Chopin for about 3 levels recently. People are sitting in a dumb place or are fighting him a few feet off the wall where he spawns and then they get aggro from others pulls. I sat directly behind the corner in which he spawns and fought him there. Dozens of pulls went through the room while I was there for 3 levels and not once did I get aggro.

[Rust1d?]

Limit guilds to 30 players. Problem solved.

[brokenkiller]

Sizar sounds smart I want to group with him.

[cd288]

They should just reduce the zem to 75 and poof all their problems are gone

Doubtful. The ZEM is a nice boost, but even without it you'd probably still have a ton of people in there. It's still a very lucrative zone cash-wise for pretty much any camp you're doing there, plus a neutral vendor who will sell to any class/race, a bank, and ability to bind in zone. Plus also being centrally located and not difficult to get to. It's easily one of th best places to XP, even outside of the classic era.

I doubt you'd see a significant amount of people leaving the zone if you reduced the ZEM.

[grinsly]

I’ve been in hhk on teal for a couple days in a few different camps and most of not all problems stem from the nobles group.
They constantly facepull Bosec from the basement and Boshinko from his parapet and any guards that are in their path. In doing so they inevitably run across people doing blayle/lancel, bicker in the next room, Fulton by the staircase and potentially the person in Chopins room depending on their race / hp / faction these level 35 and 40 mobs destroy people just trying to level normally. That’s like 5 camps they potentially disrupt to eek out just a bit more xp.

[Rust1d?]

They have Kingdom people parked at any camp that is worth a damn. Basically if you are not in kingdom you will be lucky to get any decent loot. They have Lucan camped 24/7 too. Damn shame that they allow mega guilds to ruin their servers. Notice how the population started falling already?

[Kron]

Chopin is a special camp that got me thru my high 20's low 30's.

This camp does come with a draw back and that's the nobles. As a DE Necro I was hate by guards/nobles/and bards.

I knew I had to hug the wall where Chopin spawns and quickly learn you NEVER sit by the door unless you want a quick death.

I think it was Isabella that would path thru Chopins room even if no one was doing nobles and KOS me. If I was duo with say a Monk or Mage they would watch as I smash my FD key trying to survive the beating.

As many have said HK is not the faint of heart but dam that exp/money was worth it.

[Fammaden]

They have Kingdom people parked at any camp that is worth a damn. Basically if you are not in kingdom you will be lucky to get any decent loot. They have Lucan camped 24/7 too. Damn shame that they allow mega guilds to ruin their servers. Notice how the population started falling already?

Lucan spawns once per week in this timeline, not daily. Why are you bitching about shit that you clearly have so little knowledge of that it doesn't even affect your gameplay?

How is the server "ruined" by a guild killing every Lucan? Are you in a competing guild that tried to camp it?

What other "camps worth a damn" are being monopolized? Sure looks to me like tons of stuff in Lguk, MM, Kedge, Solb is being farmed and sold at EC by individuals with other guild tags or unguilded people. All the legacy camps are a diversity of players on teal too.

[Fammaden]

As for Highkeep in general, this shit has been a mess on blue forever too. I totally disagree about nerfing ZEM, the place is not THAT damn good for full groups killing nobles that they would still do it without the bonus.

On blue with twink gear and over 50 levels it was more solo/duos and because a monk and/or shaman could exist and level by themselves there was less incentive to pull every high level mob to one spot. Typically someone would claim nobles, another bards, another Bosh by himself, etc, and people knew camp rules prevented as much monopolization as we see right now on Teal.

So Bosh wasn't necessarily getting pulled/trained through a ton of guards all the time since some single monk was already camping him, leaving the nobles farmer to stay in place.

[Argh]

If you are doing Chopin you can use the table to LoS isabella/pulls/chopin.

[Kohedron]

lmao kiddie guilds on the kiddie server

[grinsly]

If you are doing Chopin you can use the table to LoS isabella/pulls/chopin.

that is the name of the game up there yes

[stewe]

Kingdom is basically just the Teal servers Seal Team, trying to be elitists on a server where the raid bosses have already been farmed tens of thousands of times for decades already, these are the ppl that werent good enough to raid these mobs when it was actually hard and now come on here, zerg the raids bosses and think they are somehow uber hardcore raiders, it is almost funny when i see anyone bragging about killing a raid boss that was already killed over 20 years ago.

[vossiewulf]

And with a name like "Kingdom", you can be pretty sure they're super-creative people.

[grinsly]

Though let’s be real, it’s Lineage who is camping groups in the courtyard and dragging every guard they can find out there regardless if someone is at Blayle

[Rust1d?]

Kingdom is basically just the Teal servers Seal Team, trying to be elitists on a server where the raid bosses have already been farmed tens of thousands of times for decades already, these are the ppl that werent good enough to raid these mobs when it was actually hard and now come on here, zerg the raids bosses and think they are somehow uber hardcore raiders, it is almost funny when i see anyone bragging about killing a raid boss that was already killed over 20 years ago.

This. And it's not like this is a pvp server, getting that gear literally does nothing. They got people assigned camps etc. Quillmaine is perma locked.

[Millburn]

Man some of you guys need to go outside. Kingdom is like the least elitist raiding guild I've ever seen. This is all content we've done for years, nobody is (save for a few players who legit have never done this content before) bragging over anything besides being proud of gearing each other out and happy we're bagging kills.

If you think we're bad good lord you have a hard time ahead of you when these servers merge.

[Argh]

Kittens is the top guild on teal minus the brute force neckbearding.

[Evia]

As someone who's been with Kingdom since day 1 on Green and through the /move to Teal, I can say these guys are definitely not your typical 'elitist' guild. We definitely have knowledgeable Everquesters that go pretty hard, but I haven't seen, witnessed, or been a part of any ass-hatery. Just because a group of people enjoy raiding high end targets doesn't automatically make them 'toxic elitists'.

[Chocolope]

Kingdom is basically just the Teal servers Seal Team, trying to be elitists on a server where the raid bosses have already been farmed tens of thousands of times for decades already, these are the ppl that werent good enough to raid these mobs when it was actually hard and now come on here, zerg the raids bosses and think they are somehow uber hardcore raiders, it is almost funny when i see anyone bragging about killing a raid boss that was already killed over 20 years ago.

are you from that guild that took 5.5 hours to do FGs?

[Veeshan31]

are you from that guild that took 5.5 hours to do FGs?

and you are why people call kingdom elitist.

[Millburn]

and you are why people call kingdom elitist.

It's RnF try not to take it so seriously.

[Chocolope]

and you are why people call kingdom elitist.

and you why people call lineage autistic

[Veeshan31]

and you why people call lineage autistic

Im in kingdom not Lineage. I was just making a point.

[Budder]

Funny at all the butthurt people complaining about Kingdom. I’ve been apart of the guild since about a month before green. I hate drama, stupid people and assholes and won’t be apart of that. There’s none of that in the guild. There are some very passionate people about EQ and yes a few hardcore poopsockers I think but mostly a group of good people. Sure we have the first level 50 on classic and a lot of achievements. We have been planning and organizing for weeks of not months. So of course we will be doing all the raids before other guilds. And as far as I know we are in contact with other guilds and beginning the process of working together and sharing raids.

We have a great leadership structure and a lengthy set of rules and regulations all members must adhere too or face removal from the guild. I suggest reporting any problems to several members of the guild if you find someone being an asshole so the problem will be fixed.

With that said, I was grouped in SolA last night when a 29 monk from Lineage by the name of Flopper trained my group and I got dead. It almost looked like it was on purpose. Instead of bitching about it here and ripping the whole guild I sent a polite message thanking him for killing me and logged off and watched a movie. Get over it and move on.

[Zeboim]

This. And it's not like this is a pvp server, getting that gear literally does nothing. They got people assigned camps etc. Quillmaine is perma locked.

This shit would be news to me, and I'm in the guild. This is definitely the most laid back, easygoing "major" raid guild I've encountered in any mmo. If anyone is locking something down it's their own initiative.

[Canelek]

Quillmaine is perma locked.

You mean the person who is triggering QM spawns for others to kill? Yeah, what an asshole. I spend enough time in that zone to know you are talking out of your ass.

If you want perma-camped flying horses for loot rights, you need to shift your spectrum back to blue because that is not the case on teal at all.

How on earth do you function on a daily basis?

[Fammaden]

That's Harms, who is famous for doing the same shit on blue. Spawning QM over and over to give away cloaks, and give away lionhide backpacks from spawning Groi. I think he does sell the ring of shadows, so yeah total asshole keeping those needed rings in circulation like that.

[Richco07]

Funny at all the butthurt people complaining about Kingdom. I’ve been apart of the guild since about a month before green. I hate drama, stupid people and assholes and won’t be apart of that. There’s none of that in the guild. There are some very passionate people about EQ and yes a few hardcore poopsockers I think but mostly a group of good people. Sure we have the first level 50 on classic and a lot of achievements. We have been planning and organizing for weeks of not months. So of course we will be doing all the raids before other guilds. And as far as I know we are in contact with other guilds and beginning the process of working together and sharing raids.



No drama in the guild, just the drama ensuing from your members repeatedly training (trained again they did today in HHK) other players.

[Budder]

No drama in the guild, just the drama ensuing from your members repeatedly training (trained again they did today in HHK) other players.

Go somewhere else to hunt? I don’t know. Get names and let an officer know and they will be dealt with I’m sure. Getting trained on sucks so I get it.

[Sirban]

Everquest in 2019

[Veeshan31]

No drama in the guild, just the drama ensuing from your members repeatedly training (trained again they did today in HHK) other players.

Sits in the pull path.
Complains about getting trained.

[Tethler]

Sits in the pull path.
Complains about getting trained.

People camping in your desired pull path doesn't mean that you aren't responsible for the mobs you're pulling. If you want to pull over/past people, you need to get sufficient aggro to not train them. (unless they just showed up, that's on them)

[Veeshan31]

People camping in your desired pull path doesn't mean that you aren't responsible for the mobs you're pulling. If you want to pull over/past people, you need to get sufficient aggro to not train them. (unless they just showed up, that's on them)

Sorry but the GMs have already sided with the puller in this case. It almost always occurs with captain boshinko and there is no way to get enough agro to avoid him agroing someone who is sitting. Sit agro is broken on this server.

If you sit in that main hallway on the first floor of Highkeep, your going to get trained. And it’s your own fault.

[vossiewulf]

What confuses me most of all is that people VOLUNTEER to be GMs here. It was a terrible job when they got paid for it. If you offered zombie Mother Theresa the job of volunteer GMing in P99, that dear sweet saint of a lady would literally say "FUCK NO, I wouldn't have put up with that shit alive and I may be dead and eating brains but for fuck's sake I was never THAT stupid".

I mean, kudos to all of you and we're all extremely thankful that you offer your time to mediate all of the endless arguments while still managing find time to help the rest. You're racking up so many Selfless Good points that you could run over people every couple of weeks and whatever gods that you believe in would say eh, no biggie. You'd sure as shit go to jail, but the big guys would still have your back.

But, you know, seriously... have you had a CT or PET scan in the last year? I'm thinking maybe benign tumor up in the frontal lobes putting pressure on the judgment centers.

[Wallicker]

The funny thing is Boshinko is a completely different camp from Nobles, I don’t see how pulling him through another person is kosher it sets a really bad precedent but highkeep is a special zone. Being responsible for your own trains is a clear cut rule...However,it’s not hard to communicate with the people who are camping Fulton and others camping blayle bc you will be pulling through those lower lvl camps each and every time you pull boshinko. Just make a macro that sends them a tell “Hey pulling Boshinko please stand for 15 seconds to avoid social sit aggro.” You will then prevent training them, and build a nice rapport of not being an ass clown.

[Nirgon]

Sit aggro should be a little higher imo

Works pretty well tho

Gotta stand when mobs are around or in camp

EQ 101

[Vallaen]

I don’t see how pulling him through another person is kosher it sets a really bad precedent but highkeep is a special zone. Being responsible for your own trains is a clear cut rule.

Being responsible for your mobs is the old rule. The new one is to not stand in the pull spot.

[Veeshan31]

Being responsible for your mobs is the old rule. The new one is to not stand in the pull spot.

You mean not SIT in the pull spot. Standing is fine and boshinko will follow no problem. But there is no amount of agro you can generate that will avoid him aggroing a person that is sitting.

[Polixa]

Doesn't seem normal to me that the pull from mob spawn point to your camp spot, should be directly through someone else's camp spot. I'm confessing my ignorance of Highkeep camps, but can't think of an analogous situation in other zones. Why not kill him in his room?

Like pulling from Frenzy room past a group camping Sentinel? Pulling Hag Tower downstairs past the Fireplace group? Pulling from the CB tower out past TR group?

[Erati]

Need a Bladestopper to pull PUG groups in High Keep

[Nuggie]

Being responsible for your mobs is the old rule. The new one is to not stand in the pull spot.

I love regime changes.

[Veeshan31]

Doesn't seem normal to me that the pull from mob spawn point to your camp spot, should be directly through someone else's camp spot. I'm confessing my ignorance of Highkeep camps, but can't think of an analogous situation in other zones. Why not kill him in his room?

Like pulling from Frenzy room past a group camping Sentinel? Pulling Hag Tower downstairs past the Fireplace group? Pulling from the CB tower out past TR group?

It would be like a group setting up below the scryer in guk when your group is set up in the scryer room. You pull from below scryer and they are right in the pull path and will get agro if they are sitting. Then complain you "trained" them.

[shuklak]

It would be like a group setting up below the scryer in guk when your group is set up in the scryer room. You pull from below scryer and they are right in the pull path and will get agro if they are sitting. Then complain you "trained" them.

In matters like this it's basically a /petition race to determine the winner.

[Tethler]

The funny thing is Boshinko is a completely different camp from Nobles, I don’t see how pulling him through another person is kosher it sets a really bad precedent but highkeep is a special zone. Being responsible for your own trains is a clear cut rule...However,it’s not hard to communicate with the people who are camping Fulton and others camping blayle bc you will be pulling through those lower lvl camps each and every time you pull boshinko. Just make a macro that sends them a tell “Hey pulling Boshinko please stand for 15 seconds to avoid social sit aggro.” You will then prevent training them, and build a nice rapport of not being an ass clown.

Yeah, it's just greed. Plain and simple. Pulling a mob half way across the zone through potentally several other people without building sufficient threat. It boggles my mind that a GM would side with this kind of behavior.

[Grimgor]

Yeah, it's just greed. Plain and simple. Pulling a mob half way across the zone through potentally several other people without building sufficient threat. It boggles my mind that a GM would side with this kind of behavior.

If you have a good nobles/bards group, then just killing the nobles/bards isn't enough mobs. I pulled Boshinko plenty of times from 44-50 at nobles/bards and never had him attack another player during the pull.

I did babysit him past people and didn't have any special ed people sitting along the pull path. That is all that's required; both parties not being retarded. Which, admittedly, is sometimes a lot to ask for in HHK.

[Wallicker]

My favorite is the pull every guard that’s up on your way to tag lady McCabe then train back down again through everyone to nobles and then blaming the 3-4 separate groups you steamroll for being in the way, even if these train “pulls” every 6 minutes don’t kill people camping 2nd, 3rd, 4th it completely fucks up gameflow, usually meaning having to rebreathers guards or lose a spawn or two to someone else who happens upon your ruined camp(especially true for 4th floor mobs).

[Wallicker]

*rebreak

[kauvian]

I can’t wait for ZEMs to get fixed and this become a non issue.

[Canelek]

Hell I've been accused for training on a lvl 1 assling Thex rogue. Do the math on that one eh? Not the brightest bulbs there, despite their belief that the path to enlightenment lies in the magic exp tunnel.

[cd288]

I can’t wait for ZEMs to get fixed and this become a non issue.

You must be really new here lol

[Modwolf]

I can’t wait for ZEMs to get fixed and this become a non issue.

These zem will never change.