I graphed all casters direct damage spells by level

[MrPanther]

Results are pretty interesting. There's a few takeaways but I just wanted to visualize how both WIS and INT casters.

Something I noticed is that... Wizards kinda suck until end game. Magicians actually out damage them at level 34! All while getting the game's best pets that dish out damage as well. Even at level 44 Mage can nuke for 600 while Wizzys can hit for 625.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MRJTtwBCM16XTDJ7FA8_akUW_RI5RZdhYgGsK3PdsM0/edit#gid=160868683

Of course, At level 49 Wizards finally distance themselves from Mages.

Another note of interest is that Druids simply are great at many things. They are the third best nuker in the game and at low levels up to about 24 there's basically no difference. Up to 40 they're just as good as a nuker than anyone else. Wizzy can nuke for 25% more damage but without the heals/buffs/movement speeds/utility.



https://i.imgur.com/Zz6c06r.png

Wizzy does keep a mana efficiency title through all levels, but never really extends any crazy lead.

https://i.imgur.com/yIckf9N.png

[Cen]

I love it. I honestly think what wizards should have had was strong innate mana regen and half cost spells. Thats all they need to fill that artillery and theyd still be behind rogues.

Also if wizards and mages merged as a class, merging epics and all abilities, enchanters would still be stronger.

[tinklepee]

Wiz spells generally have a lower cast time. Mages max dmg spell is also a bolt spell so that's a negative imo.

[gkmarino]

Very nice work, and super interesting. I found it a little weird the graph colors aren't consistent. They don't seem to represent the same class nor the top value, i'm not sure how they allocate.

[Aaramis]

One nice QoL change on live was giving Wizards innate crit chance, similar to Fighters in melee.

Made Wizard nukes occasionally give that "whoa!" feeling.

I don't feel like that would be OP here if implemented.

[Nuggie]

Well done.

[Grimstrike]

I love it. I honestly think what wizards should have had was strong innate mana regen and half cost spells. Thats all they need to fill that artillery and theyd still be behind rogues.

Also if wizards and mages merged as a class, merging epics and all abilities, enchanters would still be stronger.

Spell crits would be nice.

[Asteria]

This is nice, but druids are still worthless except as EQ Ubers and pet projects for the most obnoxious and antisocial members of polite society to solo and KS on.

[Woobi]

Awesome content. Just proves how ineffective Wizards are and how nice Mages are.

[MrPanther]

Thanks guys. Obviously I didn't label second chart but its damage per mana. I used what I could see as the best DD each class had since most have different lines to choose from.

Wizards DO get an upgrade every interval while sometimes mages or Druids had to wait 8-9 levels to get an upgrade. It just does strike me how much parity there is on DD spells up to the 40s.

I think next I'll do DPS just to see how that shakes out.

Agree that Mages, (while it sucks pet spells aren't easy to get) are the best offensive caster. Their DPS is easily the best especially with chain casting pets.

Just seems like Wizards should be given a 30-50% damage boost in the lower levels to make them a truly worthwhile "nuke" class. I just don't see the point beyond getting crazy nukes at 50+.

[DMN]

Wizards get stuns, wizards get roots, wizards get ports.

For a a lot of levels clerics also have virtually the same healing as druid/shaman. Classes generally start differentiating from each other in the 20-30 range.

[Vormotus]

Ahhh man love these charts! And yes ... I only played a Druid once in Live and during 2016 ... it was sooo good, then 2 years later I made one in blue and it was simply like cruise control Everquest.

Druid are just too good due to the fact they have a bit of everything and everything they do they do quite well.

It is the perfect character for the weekend warrior, the soloist, the time waster, the tourist ... one of the best classes in eq and easy to understand why everybody has one.

[Natewest1987]

Am I an idiot or are all of you wankers for overlooking the fact that Necros were excluded from this very exhaustive attempt ? Even some of you with Necros in your signature.

[Vormotus]

Am I an idiot or are all of you wankers for overlooking the fact that Necros were excluded from this very exhaustive attempt ? Even some of you with Necros in your signature.

https://i.imgur.com/KV2cGdB.gif

We all are working on an agenda here ...

[Fragged]

Great work.

<3

[flacidpenguin]

Necros not even on the list :(

[Benanov]

Would you mind adding the restricted-target spells like Ward Summoned and Ward Undead? (They can be their own graph line)

[Acidreams]

isnt the magi spell on a cd? plus longer cast time, just wondering cant rememeber

[turbosilk]

Wizzy does keep a mana efficiency title through all levels, but never really extends any crazy lead.



Please add a chart showing the DPS of each nuke. You'll see that wiz are also topping that chart.

[silo32]

This is nice, but druids are still worthless except as EQ Ubers and pet projects for the most obnoxious and antisocial members of polite society to solo and KS on.

I'm TALKING
























Who hurt you?

[DMN]

I'm TALKING






Who hurt you?

Valirea was attacked by a rabid druid as a small child.

[Vormotus]

Valirea was attacked by a rabid druid as a small child.

https://i.imgur.com/U5ibRw6.gif

[Waedawen]

you forgot the Bane nukes. and there's no way to properly calculate the -50 resist mod on the Bane nukes and the -200 resist mod on Lifetap for extended dps (dpm?) comparisons.

that's totally nitpicking though. but including the bane nukes is mega important. at level 44, clerics vs undead and druids vs summoned are pretty radical. necros and magi also get theirs at 49.

necro spamming basically unresistable lifetap nukes on living monsters and then using undead bane when appropriate is totally absent from your graph. and it's absurdly fucking strong.

[axisofebola]

Results are pretty interesting. There's a few takeaways but I just wanted to visualize how both WIS and INT casters.

Something I noticed is that... Wizards kinda suck until end game. Magicians actually out damage them at level 34! All while getting the game's best pets that dish out damage as well. Even at level 44 Mage can nuke for 600 while Wizzys can hit for 625.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MRJTtwBCM16XTDJ7FA8_akUW_RI5RZdhYgGsK3PdsM0/edit#gid=160868683

Of course, At level 49 Wizards finally distance themselves from Mages.

Another note of interest is that Druids simply are great at many things. They are the third best nuker in the game and at low levels up to about 24 there's basically no difference. Up to 40 they're just as good as a nuker than anyone else. Wizzy can nuke for 25% more damage but without the heals/buffs/movement speeds/utility.



https://i.imgur.com/Zz6c06r.png

Wizzy does keep a mana efficiency title through all levels, but never really extends any crazy lead.

https://i.imgur.com/yIckf9N.png


interesting comments about druids, considering druids don't even get Calefaction until kunark. Meaning until 49 they are handily out nuked by even the likes of shaman and clerics who are 44+.

[Jabaniz]

no necros? and wtf druids still are easily most annoying class!

"Can I have a port?"
"Gimmie a donation"
"Can I have a sow?"
"Gimmie a donation!"
"Can I please recieve a str buff?"
"Gimmie a donation!""
"....."
"Druids are so cheated"
"....."

[bubur]

remember that 100 page thread complaining about how op enc is

hehehe, druids bumped it just sayin