Took 53 hours for EE to drop manastone on Teal

[skorge]

New record. How is this even possible? EE just went 53 hours with no stone. Factor in the time on the /list and omg....omg....omg.

[Tilien]

New record. How is this even possible? EE just went 53 hours with no stone. Factor in the time on the /list and omg....omg....omg.

It's a good thing they allow boxing on Green while you're on Teal so you can spend those 53+ hours getting TWO manastones.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Nice, working as intended and working well.

[senna]

custom drop rates lol

custom server lol

not actually a classic emulation lol

[WaffleztheAndal]

custom drop rates lol

custom server lol

not actually a classic emulation lol

As close as you’ll ever get, and Pantheon is vapourware sooo.

[Legidias]

Statistically, there will be a patch of time where like 3-4 manastones drop in a row along with stretches where it won't drop in a whole week.

[Nirgon]

70 total hours for Rubi bp.

I could have tried 12 hours at a time til I got one like John did but I decided to test the limits of my neckbeard.

These are in the game until May.

You can kill every raid mob in the game without them.

[1asdfasdf1]

30 minute respawn, 5% chance of dropping, you do the math. It should be about 1 drop per 2 days, so something like 75 stones total will drop per server until the patch. :)

[Nirgon]

The manastone drop rate here is not classic.

Don't care enough anymore to go after it and it's too late.

I could beard one before I could find more evidence other than what was already found that it should be "uncommon but not rare".

[Erati]

New record. How is this even possible? EE just went 53 hours with no stone. Factor in the time on the /list and omg....omg....omg.

During that time it took 44 hours on Green to drop :Manastone: :(

[TripSin]

Statistically, there will be a patch of time where like 3-4 manastones drop in a row along with stretches where it won't drop in a whole week.

Statistically, this game is dumb.

[Trollhide]

Meditate regens ~21 mana per tick at 60

One tick is 6 seconds, 10 ticks per minute, 600 ticks per hour

Manastone regens 20 mana instantly, at a cost of 60 hp, in the old world only


A manastone camp is, very conservatively, 30 hours.

In 30 hours, you can meditate 378,000 mana

To get 378,000 mana from a manastone, you need to click that manastone 18,900 times, and that's just to break even with your hours spent camping it.


Fuck that camp and fuck that item, not worth the effort.

[Erati]

Meditate regens ~21 mana per tick at 60

One tick is 6 seconds, 10 ticks per minute, 600 ticks per hour

Manastone regens 20 mana instantly, at a cost of 60 hp, in the old world only


A manastone camp is, very conservatively, 30 hours.

In 30 hours, you can meditate 378,000 mana

To get 378,000 mana from a manastone, you need to click that manastone 18,900 times, and that's just to break even with your hours spent camping it.


Fuck that camp and fuck that item, not worth the effort.

But we are lvl 50 capped....

[Ivory]

I dunno why they took all of the most troublesome camps for rare items.... AND THEN made it even MORE of an insane camp.

"Hmmm, this camp will be dominated by neckbeards.....obviously the only way to make this fair is to require staying up for 48+ hours, so everyone has a chance".

...................

Why not just make it a rare random drop anywhere in the zone? This list thing and SUPER reducing the drop rate is actually completely insane.

[Bill Tetley]

Green/Teal is actually a social experiment.

[Erati]

lol now RnF

[skorge]

lol now RnF

lol im not surprised...devs don't like topics about manastones and lists...rants and flames is the new general forum for Green/Teal.

[jacobi]

Heh yeah, Green/Teal is a social experiment designed to give neckbeards cankles in their 30's & 40's.

[Llandris]

lol im not surprised...devs don't like topics about manastones and lists...rants and flames is the new general forum for Green/Teal.

It's a rant because the % chance to drop hasn't been touched in 9 years.

[indiscriminate_hater]

This just in: p99 players once again shocked to find that rare items are, in fact, rare. Players refuse to believe that statistically uncommon events are possible.

[bigjeff100]

Ugh, this community is getting worse....

[kjs86z]

If you honestly believe its worth putting in that much time to camp a manastone...

...yikes.

[azeth]

In middle school my math teacher had us flip a quarter 100 times to prove itd come up very close to 50-50. My results though were more like 85-15 and he scolded me for lying. Probabilities man... They fucked

[Freakish]

It's a rant because the % chance to drop hasn't been touched in 9 years.

Don't lie. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=524068&postcount=6

It was touched in 2012!

[kjs86z]

Meditate regens ~21 mana per tick at 60

One tick is 6 seconds, 10 ticks per minute, 600 ticks per hour

Manastone regens 20 mana instantly, at a cost of 60 hp, in the old world only


A manastone camp is, very conservatively, 30 hours.

In 30 hours, you can meditate 378,000 mana

To get 378,000 mana from a manastone, you need to click that manastone 18,900 times, and that's just to break even with your hours spent camping it.


Fuck that camp and fuck that item, not worth the effort.

This ramps up to 30,000+ clicks with a less conservative expected camp time.

[Kayso2]

Nice, working as intended and working well.

I really think this is a deep state-funded experiment aimed at thinning the population of QAnon/Incel Magatards.

I want to express my appreciation in advance to any of you that take yourselves out of the gene pool by camping pixels until you stroke out. Even if you're not doing it for the right reasons, you're still taking one for the team. Bravo!

[WizardEQ]

30 minute respawn, 5% chance of dropping, you do the math. It should be about 1 drop per 2 days, so something like 75 stones total will drop per server until the patch. :)

28 minute respawn. So in one day (24 hours), there will be approx. 51 EEs (24*60/28). At a 5% drop rate, this is 0.05*51 = 2.57 manastones per day.

As for the OP comment, there is a slight chance that a stone does not drop in any 53 hour period. The calculation is (1-0.05)^(53*60/28) = 0.00295 = 0.3% chance.

[Erati]

28 minute respawn. So in one day (24 hours), there will be approx. 51 EEs (24*60/28). At a 5% drop rate, this is 0.05*51 = 2.57 manastones per day.

As for the OP comment, there is a slight chance that a stone does not drop in any 53 hour period. The calculation is (1-0.05)^(53*60/28) = 0.00295 = 0.3% chance.

spawn rate is closer to 50-50 than 60%

at least from whats been reported, is it confirmed 60% spawn chance?

certainly never felt THAT common, many times 4+ hours of only frogs.

[Teppler]

What else is there to do classic end game?

[WizardEQ]

spawn rate is closer to 50-50 than 60%

at least from whats been reported, is it confirmed 60% spawn chance?

certainly never felt THAT common, many times 4+ hours of only frogs.

I was assuming the "5%" took that into consideration. If there is a 60% spawn with a 5% drop, then we should be using something closer to 3%. However, from everyone continuously being on the /list, I've been told that about 2 stones drop per day. So I'm guessing the 5% takes into consideration the 50 or 60% spawn chance.

It may be that it is 60% with an 8% drop rate. This produces a 4.8% probability of a stone every 28 minutes, which is really close to the 5% stated earlier.

Can anyone produce better spawn and/or drop rates?

[Haynar]

Ugh, this community is getting worse....

No it’s not.

[Erati]

I was assuming the "5%" took that into consideration. If there is a 60% spawn with a 5% drop, then we should be using something closer to 3%. However, from everyone continuously being on the /list, I've been told that about 2 stones drop per day. So I'm guessing the 5% takes into consideration the 50 or 60% spawn chance.

It may be that it is 60% with an 8% drop rate. This produces a 4.8% probability of a stone every 28 minutes, which is really close to the 5% stated earlier.

Can anyone produce better spawn and/or drop rates?

theres a couple data points for you in here

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342763

[Hagglebaron]

Ugh, this community is getting worse....

lol is that a joke? Were you around during the earlier years of the project? Things are downright peachy compared to back then.

[solleks]

Jeff has lost all hope. Not surprised.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Jeff was one of the most optimistic, hopeful, seething-with-positivity posters here... to see him finally beat down and defeated is disheartening.

It's like when the new guy at work eventually loses his bright-eyed enthusiasm and you feel s ever so slight sense of personal victory and validation because he has finally started bitching about the status quo and leaving upper deckers in the executive bathroom like everyone else.

[this user was banned]

If there's one thing this server got 100% classic, it's the Neverrest experience.

[skorge]

It's a rant because the % chance to drop hasn't been touched in 9 years.

Get in touch with the dev that did the Red and Blue launch here, and let me know if it was the same drop rate here. Manastone dropped like candy on Red. I should know. I was there.

[Hyjalx]

Farmed several manastones on blue... Some took 20+ hours to get. Some took 8. I remember replacing someone who sat at the camp for 26 hours without a stone. I took the camp and back to back dropped, derp. Then nothing for 20 hours.



Just my personal experience.

[shuklak]

Farmed several manastones on blue... Some took 20+ hours to get. Some took 8. I remember replacing someone who sat at the camp for 26 hours without a stone. I took the camp and back to back dropped, derp. Then nothing for 20 hours.



Just my personal experience.

Everyone says it didn't drop yet...

[Hyjalx]

Been on blue since week 2. So however long it took me to get to level 35-40. I didn't level like it was an Olympic event like some people doing now, but it was available if not right away, soon after. There were so many stones, people use to trade them for Robe of the Isvha and Yaks. We had around 300 online during primetime. 100 or less during off hours.

I specifically killed EE using Whirl till ya Hurl which use to be unresistable at the start (bugged) I wasn't even 40 yet.

Rez effects use to be disspellable and DA tanking was rampant. And if you had Scimitar of the Mistwalker, you were just a god (summoned level 52 pet that hit for 200+, lol)

Grats Giganto.

[Phaezed-Reality]

did a 20 hour guise, a 26 hour jboot and a 34 hour rubi bp. Get tough, or get out.

Harsh words but its the only way we are going to get through to you guys, This is everquest, the sockers always win. You know how many people have walked into legacy camps with no food, no water, stayed for 6 hours and left? more then the red population at its peak.

Just... don't go if you cant do 30 hour camps.

[SamwiseRed]

Leave the poop sock camps to the retirees/no lifers.

[Freakish]

I linked to a bug report where they supposedly increased the drop rate.

If you think the drop rate is wrong go find evidence and post a bug report. That's how you get things fixed. Not by complaining to other autists about how you haven't left your computer desk for days.

[Trollhide]

God bless the neckbeards who define toughness by "ability to sit in a chair looking at the wall in a game for literal days in a row without succumbing to diabetes"

[bigjeff100]

lol is that a joke? Were you around during the earlier years of the project? Things are downright peachy compared to back then.

Sorry i should not only answer your question but clarify..

A.) No, not a joke to me.
B.) No i wasn't around from the start, I started in 2016.

But to clarify- Definitely my opinion, and just my own opinion. This era in my 3.5 years is currently the least fun. I mean, yeah Yendor may be right haha, i may be falling from cloud of positivity! Have a bit more faith tho in me tho peeps!

-Maybe that has to do with all the new drama on green?
-Maybe it has to do with my experience so far on green?
-Maybe it just has to do with my core group on blue being dispersed through a few servers?

That being said- It's always healthy to know when it's time to move on. And as i slowly turn into one of these "dont play anymore but post daily" people. I know it's time to move on. So in case i go MIA for who knows how long!?

Ya'll take care. Keep on rockin in the free world, and Doot Doola Doot Doo.............

[gkmarino]

Sitting is the new smoking. Watch those precious minutes disappear! In Project 1999 manastone clicks you!

[Octopath]

Do you think these camps (guise in particular) will only continue to get worst? Or will the list be better as time goes by and closer to May.

[Solist]

far worse with time.

Many of us leveling 35 mules just for this crap since they've made the lockout not work.

reeeee autism

[YendorLootmonkey]

Do you think these camps (guise in particular) will only continue to get worst? Or will the list be better as time goes by and closer to May.

Obviously worse as more people reach the list level minimum and see the calendar days ticking away until legacy item removal.

You haven't seen anything... wait til you see the last few weeks of opportunity to get these items. You'd think people's rent/mortgage depended on them getting an item you do not need to play the game, even at the highest levels.

[TripSin]

God bless the neckbeards who define toughness by "ability to sit in a chair looking at the wall in a game for literal days in a row without succumbing to diabetes"

These neckbeards are obviously cheating, letting other people on their account or screen sharing or whatever. That or they're abusing something like Adderall to not sleep. In any case, it's still absolutely pathetic.

[Erati]

These neckbeards are obviously cheating, letting other people on their account or screen sharing or whatever. That or they're abusing something like Adderall to not sleep. In any case, it's still absolutely pathetic.

Heard it here first, its cheating if you play the game.

[Trollhide]

Time to start testing EQ athletes for performance enhancing drugs tbh

[TripSin]

Heard it here first, its cheating if you play the game.

Giving other people access to your account so you can get your little video game items or abusing drugs to stay up to do so may not be technically cheating or against this emulation's rule, but it sure is definitely and absolutely sad as heck.

[Trollhide]

Giving other people access to your account so you can get your little video game items or abusing drugs to stay up to do so may not be technically cheating or against this emulation's rule, but it sure is definitely and absolutely sad as heck.
Let's be real, playing Everquest in the year of our lord 2019 is sad as heck, that goes for all of us

[Erati]

Giving other people access to your account so you can get your little video game items or abusing drugs to stay up to do so may not be technically cheating or against this emulation's rule, but it sure is definitely and absolutely sad as heck.

Drinking coffee is now abusing drugs?

[Rang]

Time to start testing EQ athletes for performance enhancing drugs tbh

https://i.imgur.com/UmVh8aW.jpg

[racloon]

Spawn rate is definitely not 50%. Lost my spot due to DNS issues with crap ISP but back to #1 finally and so far we have...
08:14am PH
08:43am PH
09:11am EE
09:40am PH
10:10am PH
10:37am PH
11:06am EE
11:34am PH
12:33pm PH
01:01pm PH
01:30pm PH
01:58pm EE
02:26pm PH
02:54pm PH
03:23pm PH
03:52pm PH
04:20pm PH

[this user was banned]

theres a couple data points for you in here

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342763

So that's roughly 1.25 manastones per day assuming it's constantly killed within 2 mins after 27-28 min spawn or 30min per spawn.

We have about 150 days until they are removed with the Sol Ro patch in May 2020

Let's be even more generous and round up to 2 manastones per day.

That means only 300 more people (per server) can get a manastone before they are removed. Ouch...

[supermonk]

Leave the poop sock camps to the retirees/no lifers.

what about the wealthy?

[this user was banned]

what about the wealthy?

Covertly admitting RMT

[supermonk]

sounds like the people who RMT are the ones who need rent money. i'd rather make $20K in 30 minutes betting FD options in stonks

[Pozzey]

Make it no drop.

Fixed.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Drinking coffee is now abusing drugs?

"Caffeine is defined as a drug because it stimulates the central nervous system, causing increased alertness" from a quick google search.

You dopers disgust me to the core.

[Tilien]

did a 20 hour guise, a 26 hour jboot and a 34 hour rubi bp. Get tough, or get out.

Harsh words but its the only way we are going to get through to you guys, This is everquest, the sockers always win. You know how many people have walked into legacy camps with no food, no water, stayed for 6 hours and left? more then the red population at its peak.

Just... don't go if you cant do 30 hour camps.

Says the person whose already said that people who don't screen share to do camps are laughable. Mmmm, yea. Tough with your screensharing.

[Octopath]

Make it no drop.

Fixed.

Would it be fixed? Isn’t guise hitting 20+ hours?

[Llandris]

Get in touch with the dev that did the Red and Blue launch here, and let me know if it was the same drop rate here. Manastone dropped like candy on Red. I should know. I was there.

You’re wrong. Idk what else to tell you.

[racloon]

You’re wrong. Idk what else to tell you.

Question for you. If Stormfeather camp had a specific ruling so that players can afk due to the long spawn times and the players health would be in question...why is 55+ hour camps with afk checks alright? Encourages bad choices for your health or bad choices in taking shifts which is or should be against TOS.

"Staying awake for the duration of SF spawn is dumb and bad for your health, think about it.

Players can absolutely go AFK while camping SF, but they must engage within a reasonable amount of time. I would say 5ish minutes for this encounter. This mob is soloable so no real force is needed. With that, if Player A was camping SF, SF pops, Player A is throwing some buffs on and it takes 5 minutes and 10 seconds to do this(plus med time), I wouldn't advise Player B to attack SF, that'd be a douche move. If SF pops and Player A attacks SF and obviously kiting(delaying), then use your best judgement. But if you are going to step in and nab someone's SFs, there's always a chance you will be suspended so don't cry to me, be damn well sure you are in the right because if that kiting player is trying to slow/snare/gain mana/whatever and you use this post as an excuse to attack SF, I will come down on you hard. "
http://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings

[Hazek]

Just believe me despite empirical evidence. Idk what else to tell you.

Show a screenshot of the code? Not that i'll ever farm manastone but if you wanna put it to rest then why not just prove it.

[baakss]

Unless they get extraordinarily lucky, nobody is staying awake for 70-80 hours of MS camp.


Right now the preferred technique is to have a friend log you in while you sleep, and then return the favor.

[cd288]

sounds like the people who RMT are the ones who need rent money. i'd rather make $20K in 30 minutes betting FD options in stonks

Suuuuuuurrrrreeeee

[waltjig]

did a 20 hour guise, a 26 hour jboot and a 34 hour rubi bp. Get tough, or get out.

Harsh words but its the only way we are going to get through to you guys, This is everquest, the sockers always win. You know how many people have walked into legacy camps with no food, no water, stayed for 6 hours and left? more then the red population at its peak.

Just... don't go if you cant do 30 hour camps.

Are you really flexing over this?.... you spent 80 hours of your life that you’ll never get back in order to gain 3 make believe items. We are all nerds here, and that isn’t too absurd for EQ standards, but then you come on the forums and brag about it? The immersion is real. Just think of how proud your ancestors would be of your accomplishments on this day. Surely there will be songs of your bravery in the near future. Maybe they’ll let you take your character to the grave with you for all your hard work! Or even better, maybe when we all die we go to a giant lan center to perpetually play Classic EQ for eternity!!!!

[Bazia]

Are you really flexing over this?.... you spent 80 hours of your life that you’ll never get back in order to gain 3 make believe items. We are all nerds here, and that isn’t too absurd for EQ standards, but then you come on the forums and brag about it? The immersion is real. Just think of how proud your ancestors would be of your accomplishments on this day. Surely there will be songs of your bravery in the near future. Maybe they’ll let you take your character to the grave with you for all your hard work! Or even better, maybe when we all die we go to a giant lan center to perpetually play Classic EQ for eternity!!!!

why u mad tho

[racloon]

Mobs/Drops

Manastone drop rate made significantly-more rare on Teal/Green.

Well there's this. From: http://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium

[ScottBerta]

And when Kunark comes out the item will be essentially useless.

[aaezil]

did a 20 hour guise, a 26 hour jboot and a 34 hour rubi bp. Get tough, or get out.

Harsh words but its the only way we are going to get through to you guys, This is everquest, the sockers always win. You know how many people have walked into legacy camps with no food, no water, stayed for 6 hours and left? more then the red population at its peak.

Just... don't go if you cant do 30 hour camps.

SEek help

[ScottBerta]

LOL people talking about selling these items for real money?? 40 hours+ to get one item. The dollar per hour on that couldn’t be more than 20 dollars. That’s not money that’s gonna put you all in a house...

[Phaezed-Reality]

yea you wont catch me rmting them cause #1 the memories alone i shared with my guildies of idiots that are allowed to walk into a legacy item and get their free bernie pixels is hilarious not realising the bread line isnt 6 or even if they are "Hadcore" a possible 12....


no its in the 30 hour range, and as for flexin, this isnt a flex, u can take it as one. But this is just a gamer tellin you for your own sake, stop showin up to list camps, 5 days in a row for 6 hours, it's just not goin to happen and you are griefing yourself off the box.

just stop , yours truely brother Ramal

[Wonkie]

yea you wont catch me rmting them cause #1 the memories alone i shared with my guildies of idiots that are allowed to walk into a legacy item and get their free bernie pixels is hilarious not realising the bread line isnt 6 or even if they are "Hadcore" a possible 12....


no its in the 30 hour range, and as for flexin, this isnt a flex, u can take it as one. But this is just a gamer tellin you for your own sake, stop showin up to list camps, 5 days in a row for 6 hours, it's just not goin to happen and you are griefing yourself off the box.

just stop , yours truely brother Ramal

Game theory or gaslighting? :p

[Albanwr]

It's a rant because the % chance to drop hasn't been touched in 9 years.

Yes it has, it was 0% chance to drop for a very long time.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Says the person whose already said that people who don't screen share to do camps are laughable. Mmmm, yea. Tough with your screensharing.

Find me my quote where i said i was screen sharing, i said people ARE screen sharing. I don't need to. I set my life up so i can play EQ at 120 hour intervals.

call it sad, call it paradise. Make fun of me all you want. I get to play EQ all day and night.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Game theory or gaslighting? :p

no seriously i have seen over like 30 people at rubi bp come for 6 hours and just leave, go level. This camp is not for yours, all your doing is helping people afk get theirs. They have no chance.

I legit feel bad for these people.

[Wonkie]

Find me my quote where i said i was screen sharing, i said people ARE screen sharing. I don't need to. I set my life up so i can play EQ at 120 hour intervals.

call it sad, call it paradise. Make fun of me all you want. I get to play EQ all day and night.

no seriously i have seen over like 30 people at rubi bp come for 6 hours and just leave, go level. This camp is not for yours, all your doing is helping people afk get theirs. They have no chance.

I legit feel bad for these people.

That's not a very erudite decision, but if you're happy, I'm happy.

:)

[Phaezed-Reality]

That's not a very erudite decision, but if you're happy, I'm happy.

:)

sometimes i have to step outside the RP, because i don't want to see -1 pop, these people are no joke griefing themselves off this wonderful server walking into legacy camps thinking 6 hours or ever 12 hours is enough.

[Llandris]

Yes it has, it was 0% chance to drop for a very long time.

You don't understand how era enabling/disabling works, and that's okay. The drop rate has not been adjusted.

I was shocked at the amount of stones that exist on green right now, you couldn't tell by the amount of complaining around here

[Kluwen2]

Got a stone on Green and Teal, took about 8 hours in total /shrug

[shuklak]

Got a stone on Green and Teal, took about 8 hours in total /shrug

Who did you scam?

[Tilien]

Find me my quote where i said i was screen sharing, i said people ARE screen sharing. I don't need to. I set my life up so i can play EQ at 120 hour intervals.

call it sad, call it paradise. Make fun of me all you want. I get to play EQ all day and night.

In response to someone saying that it's weird that a guild leader admitted to screen sharing you said:

I mean, this is what happens when you have a toxic blue community, This is the best we can do, it does help. But at the same time it does enable other toxic behavior. take it or leave it basically. And in a way it kind of does resemble classic, During classic we'd hand off camps to eachother. Handing off screenshare abilities is like the 2019 classic version of that..

I guess when you say the word "we" it doesn't mean you.

[Phaezed-Reality]

You don't understand how era enabling/disabling works, and that's okay. The drop rate has not been adjusted.

I was shocked at the amount of stones that exist on green right now, you couldn't tell by the amount of complaining around here

there are actually to many.... i agree actually.

[Phaezed-Reality]

In response to someone saying that it's weird that a guild leader admitted to screen sharing you said:



I guess when you say the word "we" it doesn't mean you.

dude, reread what you just quoted, atleast 10 times, and then make a post about how i said "in a way screensharing is the 2019 version of 1999 version of handing off item camps".


WHERE does it say i screen share which was your allegation. fucks sake. you are one low int mfer.

[Tilien]

dude, reread what you just quoted, atleast 10 times, and then make a post about how i said "in a way screensharing is the 2019 version of 1999 version of handing off item camps".


WHERE does it say i screen share which was your allegation. fucks sake. you are one low int mfer.




This is the best we can do, it does help

[Tilien]

I'm gonna have to double post here cause I don't even care that Phaezed-Reality screen shares, it's just hilarious how he pretends he doesn't. Such an emotional being :)

[racloon]

You don't understand how era enabling/disabling works, and that's okay. The drop rate has not been adjusted.

I was shocked at the amount of stones that exist on green right now, you couldn't tell by the amount of complaining around here

Then why is this here?

"Mobs/Drops

Manastone drop rate made significantly-more rare on Teal/Green."

-http://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium

[Phaezed-Reality]

I'm gonna have to double post here cause I don't even care that Phaezed-Reality screen shares, it's just hilarious how he pretends he doesn't. Such an emotional being :)

im going to triple post because you are going after someone who is baiting you into thinking he's mad.

incoming 5th post from tillen flailing at someone who thinks he takes himself seriously.

https://i.imgur.com/N9Huyok.gif

[Tilien]

im going to triple post because you are going after someone who is baiting you into thinking he's mad.

incoming 5th post from tillen flailing at someone who thinks he takes himself seriously.

https://i.imgur.com/N9Huyok.gif

lmao, have fun screen sharing

[Phaezed-Reality]

https://i.imgur.com/Emk3NL7.gif

[Phaezed-Reality]

lmao, have fun screen sharing

curently have a 4k 82 inch screen sharing 12 different /listed chars at various camps. u mad or just broke.

[Phaezed-Reality]

https://i.imgur.com/TbGfHIu.jpg

[Rick Sanchez]

Ugh, this community is getting worse....

It was the best between 2009 - 2013 ish, before people really knew about p99. Community wise anyway.

[Tilien]

curently have a 4k 82 inch screen sharing 12 different /listed chars at various camps. u mad or just broke.

I'm not mad bro, you do you, just be less emotional :)

I'm gonna make an erudite so I can join your guild on Green, you seem like a lot of fun honestly.

[Phaezed-Reality]

I'm not mad bro, you do you, just be less emotional :)

I'm gonna make an erudite so I can join your guild on Green, you seem like a lot of fun honestly.

we are, and we'd love to have you.


https://i.imgur.com/T7hEClz.gif

not joking.

[Tilien]

we are, and we'd love to have you.


https://i.imgur.com/T7hEClz.gif

not joking.

I'm sure of it, I'll send you a tell directly when my erudite is online.

[Modwolf]

Sorry i should not only answer your question but clarify..

A.) No, not a joke to me.
B.) No i wasn't around from the start, I started in 2016.

But to clarify- Definitely my opinion, and just my own opinion. This era in my 3.5 years is currently the least fun. I mean, yeah Yendor may be right haha, i may be falling from cloud of positivity! Have a bit more faith tho in me tho peeps!

-Maybe that has to do with all the new drama on green?
-Maybe it has to do with my experience so far on green?
-Maybe it just has to do with my core group on blue being dispersed through a few servers?

That being said- It's always healthy to know when it's time to move on. And as i slowly turn into one of these "dont play anymore but post daily" people. I know it's time to move on. So in case i go MIA for who knows how long!?

Ya'll take care. Keep on rockin in the free world, and Doot Doola Doot Doo.............

Do doo.

[Natewest1987]

please send care packages to my friend Demkites at manastone camp now lol.

[Natewest1987]

https://i.imgur.com/Emk3NL7.gif

this really wouldnt surprise me lol

[Llandris]

Then why is this here?

"Mobs/Drops

Manastone drop rate made significantly-more rare on Teal/Green."

-http://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium

You know the staff doesn't run the wiki, right? All kinds of wrong things on there

[beversami]

Anyone who is /listing for Manastones are mentally ill.

[welly321]

Anyone who is /listing for Manastones are mentally ill.

Well adjusted humans generally sit on a computer camping 20 year old pixels for 53 hours.

[cd288]

You know the staff doesn't run the wiki, right? All kinds of wrong things on there

Yeah, generally I think it's run by Loramin and a couple other people who try and update things and at times do so based on loose evidence (e.g. claims by other players) and/or their own personal opinions about how things are/were. Especially the more updated stuff for the new server, I would not rely on that as always being 100% accurate.

[cd288]

You don't understand how era enabling/disabling works, and that's okay. The drop rate has not been adjusted.

I was shocked at the amount of stones that exist on green right now, you couldn't tell by the amount of complaining around here

I guess it's technically possible that you could get a bad run of 53 hours since it's all RNG and there's no minimum percentage of drops that has to be hit, it's just a percentage each time. And I guess my memory could be flawed, but I don't remember anyone taking over 50 hours to get an MS back in the day. I think the longest I ever saw was like 29 hours. They really haven't been decreased in the slightest?

[Wooted]

53 hours does seem to be a bit excessive. I hope others have better luck.

[shuklak]

Well adjusted humans generally sit on a computer camping 20 year old pixels for 53 hours.

Any good family knows that pawpaw has to do what it takes to get work done. And sometimes that means missing a dinner together.

[Teppler]

I just want to add something here. I use a few sites for %'s when it comes to loot. I can't find the old one I used to think was pretty accurate but here's one that seems pretty good-

http://ultimateeq.com/clone/index.php?a=npc&id=66014

It says evil eye drops mana stone 10%.

Looking at some other numbers, it looks pretty accurate on other spots.

[Teppler]

10% is if the evil eye spawns.

So I guess the 5% # comes from the variance between evil eye and his ph.

[shuklak]

Unless someone sees code is there any way to really know?

It was a limited time item and its not like back in the day people were more altruistic and wanted to share data so everyone could steal their camp.

We should just be lucky that Pantheon isn't out, which will undoubtedly finish off everquest in one swift blow.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Unless someone sees code is there any way to really know?

It was a limited time item and its not like back in the day people were more altruistic and wanted to share data so everyone could steal their camp.

We should just be lucky that Pantheon isn't out, which will undoubtedly finish off everquest in one swift blow.

Pantheon, lmao you actually have faith in that pile of vapourware?

I’d love to be proven wrong but it just screams dead end to me.

[Erati]

The Manastone after this 53 Hour one is now at 50 hours again on Teal.

[racloon]

You know the staff doesn't run the wiki, right? All kinds of wrong things on there

I did not know that but thank you.

Teal camp for MS just passed 56 hour no stone list. Todays list so far. If PH was removed id be happier. I see a frog pop I die a little more on the inside. 5 PH's in a row get extra bad fee-fee's. Be nice if the drop rate increased by a % each time it didn't drop and reset back when it did.
07:37am PH
08:05am PH
08:33am PH
09:02am EE
09:31am PH
09:59am PH
10:28am PH
10:56am EE
11:24am PH
11:52am PH
12:20pm EE
12:52pm PH
01:19pm PH
01:47pm PH
02:16pm PH
02:45pm EE
03:13pm PH
03:42pm PH

[Gustoo]

How many on the list?

[racloon]

5 right now. #1 going for 60hrs and 30mins now. had 10 Place Holders in a row. 5 hrs of no EE's.

This just ain't right.

[Visual]

People will die at this camp

[WaffleztheAndal]

People will die at this camp

As harsh as it is to say, I literally cannot think of a better version of natural selection. Anyone voluntarily subjecting themselves to this for a fucking pixelated stone on a 20 year old elf sim may need to be removed from the gene pool.

[Jimjam]

People will die at this camp

When you spend 16+ hours a day (24 hours on earth) on p1999, odds on you will die logged in to Everquest!

[Wallicker]

Atleast 4 manastones dropped in 24 hrs yesterday on green

[Wallicker]

Or maybe it was zero

[Wallicker]

I’m delirious the hours are blending

[kotton05]

Mana stone kind of sucks lol

[Lhord99]

Watching the anti-Blue fury fully evolve into ...this... has been nothing short of Greek comedy. This is Lysistrata. Better yet, this is Oedipus discovering he cucked his own dad.

[skorge]

last one that dropped on Teal just now the guy was on list for 69 hours.

[Nirgon]

last one that dropped on Teal just now the guy was on list for 69 hours.

I'll let you know how Ramal and I do on ours so more people can keep telling themselves it's not worth it

[WaffleztheAndal]

last one that dropped on Teal just now the guy was on list for 69 hours.

Beards gonna beard.

[aaezil]

Imagine doing all that for bad item

[kjs86z]

5 right now. #1 going for 60hrs and 30mins now. had 10 Place Holders in a row. 5 hrs of no EE's.

This just ain't right.

consider blue

[Teppler]

What's the overall average time someone has to commit from start of the list to mana stone?

Like 24 hours? 36? The list itself has to have an average of like 24 hours right?

[Erati]

What's the overall average time someone has to commit from start of the list to mana stone?

Like 24 hours? 36? The list itself has to have an average of like 24 hours right?

expect 40-50 hours if you have avg luck for your total start to looting Manastone list time.

[WizardEQ]

theres a couple data points for you in here

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342763

From this data, the probability that a manastone drops withing any 28 minute period is (5/152) or 3.3%, not the 5% previously stated.

If we do the calculation again, we get (1-0.033)^(53*60/28) = 2.2% chance.

So there is a 1-in-45 chance of a manastone NOT dropping in any 53 hour period.

[Erati]

From this data, the probability that a manastone drops withing any 28 minute period is (5/152) or 3.3%, not the 5% previously stated.

If we do the calculation again, we get (1-0.033)^(53*60/28) = 2.2% chance.

So there is a 1-in-45 chance of a manastone NOT dropping in any 53 hour period.

Sounds ab right another math wiz at the camp concluded the Manastone EE spawn chance on a respawn is around 2%.

When you look at it that way rather than 1/X EE drop it, pretty depressing.

[WizardEQ]

From the Ataria data, there were 57 EE for 152 attempts, so that's 37.5% Let's assume 30% chance of an EE pop.

In those 57 pops, 5 stones dropped which is 8.8%. Let's assume there is a 10% chance of a manastone when the EE pops.

So the chance of a manastone dropping is 10% of 30%, or 0.10 x 0.30, which is 3%.

I think after all of our discussion, this is a pretty good estimate of the drop rate of a manastone at any 28 minute interval.

If we incorporate the binomial distribution, the chance of x manastones dropping in n attempts is:

P(x) = n(C)x * (0.97)^(n-x) * (0.03)^(x) where n(C)x = n!/((n-x)!*x!)

So the probability of 5 manastones dropping in 152 attempts is:

P(5) = 152(C)5 * (0.97)^(152-5) * (0.03)^(5) = 17.5%.


Since there are around 51 attempts in a day, here are the probabilities of the various amounts of manastones dropping within a 24 hour period:

P(0) = 51(C)0 * (0.97)^(51) * (0.03)^(0) = 21.2%.
P(1) = 51(C)1 * (0.97)^(50) * (0.03)^(1) = 33.4%.
P(2) = 51(C)2 * (0.97)^(49) * (0.03)^(2) = 25.8%.
P(3) = 51(C)3 * (0.97)^(48) * (0.03)^(3) = 13.0%.
P(4) = 51(C)4 * (0.97)^(47) * (0.03)^(4) = 4.8%.
P(5) = 51(C)5 * (0.97)^(46) * (0.03)^(5) = 1.4%.
P(6) = 51(C)6 * (0.97)^(45) * (0.03)^(6) = 0.3%.

Therefore, the expected number of manastones in a 24 period would be 1.522.

[Erati]

From the Ataria data, there were 57 EE for 152 attempts, so that's 37.5% Let's assume 30% chance of an EE pop.

In those 57 pops, 5 stones dropped which is 8.8%. Let's assume there is a 10% chance of a manastone when the EE pops.

So the chance of a manastone dropping is 10% of 30%, or 0.10 x 0.30, which is 3%.

I think after all of our discussion, this is a pretty good estimate of the drop rate of a manastone at any 28 minute interval.

If we incorporate the binomial distribution, the chance of x manastones dropping in n attempts is:

P(x) = n(C)x * (0.97)^(n-x) * (0.03)^(x) where n(C)x = n!/((n-x)!*x!)

So the probability of 5 manastones dropping in 152 attempts is:

P(5) = 152(C)5 * (0.97)^(152-5) * (0.03)^(5) = 17.5%.


Since there are around 51 attempts in a day, here are the probabilities of the various amounts of manastones dropping within a 24 hour period:

P(0) = 51(C)0 * (0.97)^(51) * (0.03)^(0) = 21.2%.
P(1) = 51(C)1 * (0.97)^(50) * (0.03)^(1) = 33.4%.
P(2) = 51(C)2 * (0.97)^(49) * (0.03)^(2) = 25.8%.
P(3) = 51(C)3 * (0.97)^(48) * (0.03)^(3) = 13.0%.
P(4) = 51(C)4 * (0.97)^(47) * (0.03)^(4) = 4.8%.
P(5) = 51(C)5 * (0.97)^(46) * (0.03)^(5) = 1.4%.
P(6) = 51(C)6 * (0.97)^(45) * (0.03)^(6) = 0.3%.

Therefore, the expected number of manastones in a 24 period would be 1.522.

well done

this all lines up with what I witnessed when camping it, its expected at least 1ish per 24 hour to show up w a Manastone.

[shuklak]

6 manastones in a day! What a day to be alive!

[Jimjam]

Watching the anti-Blue fury fully evolve into ...this... has been nothing short of Greek comedy. This is Lysistrata. Better yet, this is Oedipus discovering he cucked his own dad.

These incels wish they were motherfuckers.

[kjs86z]

I bet these guys are camping manastones:

https://youtu.be/AkA5jH36_Ks

[TripSin]

I bet these guys are camping manastones:

https://youtu.be/AkA5jH36_Ks

haha holy shit. yeah, those guys are definitely the type to be camping manastones.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

As harsh as it is to say, I literally cannot think of a better version of natural selection. Anyone voluntarily subjecting themselves to this for a fucking pixelated stone on a 20 year old elf sim may need to be removed from the gene pool.

The really frightening thing here is that most people playing this are 30+ years old. This means that many of these folks may have already procreated. :eek:

[kotton05]

I’d rather have 53 hours to have fun than camp a legacy item in classic emulated Everquest. Y’all acting like this is your first time.

[WizardEQ]

6 manastones in a day! What a day to be alive!

Haha, I realize this is very unlikely given that the game's RNG is not random whatsoever. It's nice to believe it is though.

I don't know if anyone caught it but there is a very, very slight chance remaining of 0.1% left in my analysis. (The numbers as stated only add up to 99.9%.) This would be the probability of getting 7 or more manastones in a day. It's probably less than that due to rounding, but I thought I should point it out. My guess is that it's probably never happened on any server in EQ in history, but who knows....someone may have a story to tell.

[Teppler]

Haha, I realize this is very unlikely given that the game's RNG is not random whatsoever. It's nice to believe it is though.

I don't know if anyone caught it but there is a very, very slight chance remaining of 0.1% left in my analysis. (The numbers as stated only add up to 99.9%.) This would be the probability of getting 7 or more manastones in a day. It's probably less than that due to rounding, but I thought I should point it out. My guess is that it's probably never happened on any server in EQ in history, but who knows....someone may have a story to tell.

I've seen some really weird coincidences in my time on this server.

One time I camped this torpor dropping mobs for months without it dropping then it dropped 3 times in a row and then it turned out 4 out of 5. It was unreal.

And I've seen this happen a few times with big spells. It drops once and then it drops again or two times like the next mob.

Is it possible in the slightest that loot is not as random as we may think or have the stats been officially found?

[Phaezed-Reality]

im sorry but your all wrong, we investigated and came to The conclusion.

https://i.imgur.com/xhkth19.png

That we are far higher int than all non eruds.

[Mercius]

post it 1 more time i swear on prexus

[White_knight]

As 30+ year old adults, how do you find time to sit at your PC for 50+ hrs straight.

SHIT IS SICK BROS

[entruil]

Tried to play paladin... And then...

[quido]

I am amused that after years of trying to discourage account sharing (understandably so) that they implement a system that basically guarantees that you must do so to get the best legacy items.

Eliminate AFK checks.

[entruil]

Want right? Rofl man I'm playing and ty for your larrikans I mean contributions

[Bardp1999]

You always have the option to not spend 53 hours camping a Manastone

[Waedawen]

just take a quick survey of this thread and look at the users who say "you don't need a mana stone what the fuck are you doing?"

then take a look at the names of the users that say you do. then make a decision.

[aismartin]

Does drop rate reduce if people on list already have manastone?