Seal Team Exploiting Classic Item Recharging

[this user was banned]

I've now seen two people from Seal Team exploiting the wonderful, classic, item recharging with vendors mechanic to power level.

I've seen a ranger go from low 40's to 50 within a week or so.

Keep in mind that item recharging was disabled on the Red server for these exact reasons.

They are quad kiting specters in OOT on garg island using Red Wood Wands.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Red_Wood_Wand

I mysteriously noticed two very high level merchants nearby were cleared of their inventory and sure enough, someone from Seal team was on garg island quadding spectres.

All you really need is about 6 or so of these wands.
Each wand casts an INSTANT 76 dmg aoe from an inventory slot with 5 charges.
5 * 5 * 76 = 1900 damage which is plenty to take out a spec.

Run to the nearby merchant to recharge them all for 30-36p and you have plenty of time to run back and stand around until respawns.

Specs drop scythes that sell for 12.5p each along with random gems and research materials which can help cover the cost if not turn a profit with some luck.

Yes it's classic, yes it's cheesy, I honestly don't think anything is going to change, and given the recent posts about this guild, I'm not surprised in the least.

[Ivory]

So...you're saying.... I need some of those wands then....

You make good points. -nods nods- I needs rods please.

[Bazia]

i only need 3 more wands come on baby

[TripSin]

hardcore neckbeard no-lifers are exploiting game mechanics? that's crazy! who would've thought!? i'm absolutely shocked.

[this user was banned]

Oh no, don't everyone go use those wands now or they might disable item recharging here like they did on Red!

[Ivory]

Oh no, don't everyone go use those wands now or they might disable item recharging here like they did on Red!

They likely only disabled it on red because it was being used to insta-kill people in pvp....

They know item recharging exists on blue. It is regularly used for high end raiding and recharging mauls and things....

So that they will suddenly disable it for literally the few people who bother to farm up a backpack full of wands is kind of a strange idea. Some guilds might use their "leveling wands" I guess, but really once you have level 50's around....having a high level druid that just sits around thorning / healing as you chain pull / kill stuff is probably faster power leveling anyhow.

Or having a necromancer kill stuff then FD so you finish it off (or a monk, or SK).

Or....so many ways to level up once you have just 1 higher level willing to help. If you have a GUILD willing to help people level? Yea, leveling isn't really a barrier....

[Castle2.0]

OMGOSH, people are using some unique aspects of classic EQ that require some special knowledge of EQ classic spawning as well as time invested to camp it, *breathe* to their advantage.

They must be banned! And the said feature must be banned! Anyone who with a char name that starts with wand (i.e. Wanda) must be banned!

[Castle2.0]

P.S. Specs don't always drop 12.5pp scythes, sometimes they drop Rusty Scythes or Bronze Scythes.

Also, item recharging was disabled on Red and NOT blue for PvP reasons you silly sarnak.

Next on the nerf list:

(1) Kaladim bonechip quest
(2) http://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning

[this user was banned]

They likely only disabled it on red because it was being used to insta-kill people in pvp....

They know item recharging exists on blue. It is regularly used for high end raiding and recharging mauls and things....

So that they will suddenly disable it for literally the few people who bother to farm up a backpack full of wands is kind of a strange idea. Some guilds might use their "leveling wands" I guess, but really once you have level 50's around....having a high level druid that just sits around thorning / healing as you chain pull / kill stuff is probably faster power leveling anyhow.

Or having a necromancer kill stuff then FD so you finish it off (or a monk, or SK).

Or....so many ways to level up once you have just 1 higher level willing to help. If you have a GUILD willing to help people level? Yea, leveling isn't really a barrier....

LOL go ahead and try leveling someone in their 40s on specs using thorns. monk or sk /nec with FD? Horribly inefficient for 40s when you can SOLO quad kite stuff much faster.

[Ivory]

LOL go ahead and try leveling someone in their 40s on specs using thorns. monk or sk /nec with FD? Horribly inefficient for 40s when you can SOLO quad kite stuff much faster.

Yup, in your 40's, it seems like a speedy way to level. Thanks for the tip :D ((Though, I never gonna be that big, I gonna use it lower level....wouldn't even need many charges to kill a quad!!! ill be the strongest gnome wizard there ever wiz was!!)

[Isomorphic]

Sweet, gonna go farm me 6 right now.

[Ashenden]

and given the recent posts about this guild, I'm not surprised in the least.
This part is a bit sad to add. Seen people from all kinds of guilds and non-tagged do the same at TD raptors on Blue.

Big guild bad.

[Castle2.0]

This user was banned: "OMGERSH NERF THERSE!"

Community: "Orly? Nice!"

Faerie Camper #3727292: "This camp feels like a microcosm of Green pre-split..."

This user was banned: "So that's what the Streisand effect is.... okay.... well... dang..."

You're whining will be rewarded, don't worry =)

[Tilien]

P.S. Specs don't always drop 12.5pp scythes, sometimes they drop Rusty Scythes or Bronze Scythes.

Also, item recharging was disabled on Red and NOT blue for PvP reasons you silly sarnak.

Next on the nerf list:

(1) Kaladim bonechip quest
(2) http://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning

They have nerfed xp quests though. Both on Blue and on Green. To avoid rapid leveling which what op is complaining about. This is a thing.

[Ivory]

Someone delet this thread so great secrets of magic don't get out :o

[Castle2.0]

WTS Red Wood Wands, 2kpp/ea, PST to Mannastone =)

Price subject to change.

PSSSST, add more replies to this thread people!

[this user was banned]

In before pixie camp gets a /list added

[Ivory]

WTS Red Wood Wands, 750pp/ea, PST to Mannastone =)

What if....OP was farming these for a while...and this thread was just a marketing pitch?! OH NO! We been had!!!

[Castle2.0]

No list.. must have got a lot and kept it permacamped in the guild, and is now trying to cash in now that they have the market cornered.

Add /list!
Nerf item!
Ban Seal Team!
/List any item that sells 500pp+
Add instancing!

[TripSin]

This part is a bit sad to add. Seen people from all kinds of guilds and non-tagged do the same at TD raptors on Blue.

Big guild bad.

I'm pretty sure guilds like seal team and kingdom attract a certain type of player. People who take this game too seriously and put way too much time into it. I've only had a couple of them in my groups so far (on their low level alts, obviously) and they were always kind of unpleasant to play with because they took the game too seriously.

Early EverQuest was a shitshow and I guess that's what's trying to be emulated here so I don't feel like it makes too much sense then to complain about people exploiting things in a game that's already a shitshow by definition.

[Fammaden]

They are going to power up what they want faster than the average players regardless, it doesn't change much to slow them down a little bit. Its not like this is a plat dupe being ignored or something, but it is kinda cheesy that they knowingly allow it to exist. The hardcore blue99'ers had their eyes on this item in discord chats etc well before green launched.

[Nuggie]

If they're not using wands they will find another way. You can't control neckbeards. They will find away. Stop allowing yourself to be triggered how other people play the game in a way that largely doesn't effect you.

[Dreenk317]

This has been done on blue for years, there are just more, better places to do it there so I guess there was never an outcry because they weren't taking one of the few 40+ camps.

Honestly, it sounds like you are a quad kiter who is mad that there camp was taken by a non quad kiter who was quad kiting more efficiently/easily than you could.

[this user was banned]

Rumor has it you can buy these wands off of vendors if you catch them at the right time.

[DMN]

i reported this in the exploit forum over a month ago....

[Dreenk317]

i reported this in the exploit forum over a month ago....

How is it an exploit though? They are using an item in a way it was intended, by clicking the charges. They are not abusing the items effect, it's an aoe, they are using it as such. And they are the using the extremely common and well known recharging bug, which is in fact, classic from everything I've read/heard. And that the GM's are fully aware of, and allow, heck I've even seen them oversee people recharging their items after the infamous puppet strings "robbery".

[DMN]

How is it an exploit though? They are using an item in a way it was intended, by clicking the charges. They are not abusing the items effect, it's an aoe, they are using it as such. And they are the using the extremely common and well known recharging bug, which is in fact, classic from everything I've read/heard. And that the GM's are fully aware of, and allow, heck I've even seen them oversee people recharging their items after the infamous puppet strings "robbery".

Weren't they nerfed on blue?

[Dildy]

Doesn't seem like an exploit to me, just someone using the game mechanics to their advantage

Artelius 50 Ranger

[Nuggie]

Weren't they nerfed on blue?

no

[Firepuff]

There are lots of things on P1999, I would call an exploit:

Item recharging
Multi-questing
Looking through walls
etc...


Just to name a few. It is pretty obvious that they were originally oversights or bugs, that just never got fixed. I will bet phat-plats that none of these were described in the original design-document as "features".

Fixing all those would make P1999, a much more polished and consistent game imho.

It is fine that veterans can gain an advantage in the game by in-depth knowledge of game-mechanics, but purposely leaving old exploits open just to cater to the veterans, isn't exactly what I would call good game-design. :p

The P1999 staff is in a better position than Sony ever was: They are not financially dependent on specific deadlines. They actually have the luxury of taking their time and do things better than Sony, no x-mas deadline and all the bugs have already been discovered. (If only someone would leak the source-code, that reverse-engineering must be superhard...)

[Fammaden]

Well by that logic there was no reason to include removed items like manastone either, which I'd have agreed with them doing. Looking through walls is such a minor thing for gameplay, and probably major for coding. But recharges and MQ would have pretty significant effects and there's plenty of support for nerfing them.

[Expediency]

Can anyone link me to a thread where the GMs ruled on someone buying an item off a vendor while another player is attempting to recharge??

[Nirgon]

It's okay when casual guilds do this to secure raid kills.

Item recharging should be removed. It should last a month in Velious and not at the beginning. That would be the classic experience, well close, because only a small fraction of the playerbase should be aware of it before it is fixed.

Have you tried being pals with Seal Team? Instead of finding every little thing to freak out about? I've only had a minor dust up with one of them, some troll shaman who was not in a good mood at the time and just wanted to run off and camp the other Spectre spawn. Daltheb, Kbok, Queen Bayleigh and Rahsun have been super nice about everything. They are the prime reason I blessed the first evil eye that spawned before me for Phatezz.

[this user was banned]

Doesn't seem like an exploit to me, just someone using the game mechanics to their advantage

Artelius 50 Ranger

That is correct.

FYI this guy leveled to 50 using wands.

[Nirgon]

Go do it then

[this user was banned]

Go do it then

Ok

[aaezil]

When someone sells an item to a merchant or drops it they no longer own the item and have zero claim over it. So feel free to buy any wands you see on merchants!

[Veeshan31]

There are lots of things on P1999, I would call an exploit:

Item recharging
Multi-questing
Looking through walls
etc...


Just to name a few. It is pretty obvious that they were originally oversights or bugs, that just never got fixed. I will bet phat-plats that none of these were described in the original design-document as "features".

Fixing all those would make P1999, a much more polished and consistent game imho.

It is fine that veterans can gain an advantage in the game by in-depth knowledge of game-mechanics, but purposely leaving old exploits open just to cater to the veterans, isn't exactly what I would call good game-design. :p

The P1999 staff is in a better position than Sony ever was: They are not financially dependent on specific deadlines. They actually have the luxury of taking their time and do things better than Sony, no x-mas deadline and all the bugs have already been discovered. (If only someone would leak the source-code, that reverse-engineering must be superhard...)

Quad Kiting, Root Rotting, FD Pulling, weren't intended by the original developers either. Should we nerf those also?

[Dildy]

Yea I leveled 35-50 on Wands solo as a ranger. Who cares? Be glad I wasn’t sucking some poor nobles exp dry by leeching exp with shitty 7/28 delay no haste weapons and a-40% exp penalty. Sorry I found a way to avoid the headache of groups not letting me in bc I’m a hybrid. Sorry for innovating and changing the meta of leveling. Use your brain and potentially you can be good at EQ, too.

Artelius

[Firepuff]

Well by that logic there was no reason to include removed items like manastone either, which I'd have agreed with them doing. Looking through walls is such a minor thing for gameplay, and probably major for coding. But recharges and MQ would have pretty significant effects and there's plenty of support for nerfing them.

Removing legacy items would be fine with me too. Learning from Sonys mistakes and copy their fixes/adjustments would be a reasonable approach imo.

I would guess(I have no clue how eq works :p ) fixing multi questing would be much harder than fixing wall-looking. wall looking-fix would be adjusting the near-clipping-plane with a race-specific offset(I think) and probably wouldn't break much?
While multiquesting, would require a rewrite of the whole flagging-system, and "convert" every single quest to the new system, as the quest-progress must be stored per character rather than per quest-npc(thats a fundamental change!!!).
I am not sure If the modern quest system from EQ-Live is included in the titanium-client, ready for use? otherwise they would have to redesign it from scratch? It would still require them to convert every quest to the new system(by hand?) though.


Tbh, given that the original EQ code is such a mess, that even daybreak won't touch it, sometimes makes me wonder, if the best long term solution would be just to rewrite the whole damn thing from scratch. Sounds like something that would take a decade at least... :(

However the P1999-staff are capable of disabling recharging already, if I understand correctly?

[Izmael]

Don't need to nerf all item recharging. Just make Red Wood Wand very expensive to buy from a vendor. Problem solved.

[Dildy]

Nerf it all, nerf soulfire! Unnerf mistwalker!

Artelius Longwood 50 Ranger

[bwe]

Item recharging ruins this game

[Erati]

Nerf it all, nerf soulfire! Unnerf mistwalker!

Artelius Longwood 50 Ranger

Its so dumb we never get Classic Mistwalker.

I have to just only remember rangers w their perma wolf pets wrecking.

[Dildy]

It’s a classic part of EQ, changing it all would completely change the vision of creating a classic environment.

[bwe]

The Vision(tm) of level 35 rangers quad kiting spectres 1 month into the game in 1999

[Dildy]

Sorry I think outside the box and find an efficient way to level. Fuck me right?

[gnomishfirework]

Im leveling my alts like this. I'm fairly certain its a super common tactic on blue.

[this user was banned]

Yea I leveled 35-50 on Wands solo as a ranger. Who cares? Be glad I wasn’t sucking some poor nobles exp dry by leeching exp with shitty 7/28 delay no haste weapons and a-40% exp penalty. Sorry I found a way to avoid the headache of groups not letting me in bc I’m a hybrid. Sorry for innovating and changing the meta of leveling. Use your brain and potentially you can be good at EQ, too.

Artelius

Rangers not getting groups is 100% classic. Congrats you found a way to bypass a shitty classic issue by using another shitty classic issue.

[this user was banned]

Im leveling my alts like this. I'm fairly certain its a super common tactic on blue.

It sure seems like a great way to power level yourself if you are rich. You can even sell the wands to other people when you are done or just pass them off to another guild member so they can get the RMT raid force ready to monopolize the server.

[Kushida]

Artelius is a genius with a long history of innovating unique Everquest strats so none of this is surprising (aside from someone being this triggered over it). So while everyone else was waiting in line at High Keep goblins he was spending countless hours farming ultra-rare drops...why u hef 2 be mad?

[Dildy]

Rangers not getting groups is 100% classic. Congrats you found a way to bypass a shitty classic issue by using another shitty classic issue.

You sound like you’re upset, if you need someone to talk to in game let me know, I’m always friendly in game and courteous to those I meet. Best of luck in your EQ endeavors.

Artelius

[Palemoon]

This is why red99 has a more classic feel. NO item recharging allowed.

[this user was banned]

You sound like you’re upset, if you need someone to talk to in game let me know, I’m always friendly in game and courteous to those I meet. Best of luck in your EQ endeavors.

Artelius

I’m not mad, I just think it’s unsportsmanlike, bad form, cheese, whatever you’d like to call it. Not like anyone cares about that these days, it’s all about exploiting whatever you can while you can to get by.

He certainly is a friendly person and I hope all the best to you too.

[Ivory]

The Vision(tm) of level 35 rangers quad kiting spectres 1 month into the game in 1999

True rangers should be quadding once they hit 15 and get their AE spell..... it's 30 mana for 100 damage (25 x 4). Which is great mana to damage...then they fill in the gap with archery (since their mana won't let them take down a quad completely).

Still, pretty strong though.

[kjs86z]

consider blue

[OuterChimp]

I'm level 56 on My Singing Monsters on my iPad.

[this user was banned]

consider blue

I did; it's why I came to Green.

[Ligma]

If you know where and when they are recharging then you know what to do

[silo32]

People still exploiting these...

how did the dev's not realize this on day 1

they removed them from red way too late at the time of server launch. Quit a few people exploited them much earlier than 40 and were power lvling way ahead of the curve.

How is item recharging even classic? Its disabled on red why is it not on blue?

Project Tanked if people were actually woke to the exploit being used here.

[this user was banned]

People still exploiting these...

how did the dev's not realize this on day 1

they removed them from red way too late at the time of server launch. Quit a few people exploited them much earlier than 40 and were power lvling way ahead of the curve.

How is item recharging even classic? Its disabled on red why is it not on blue?

Project Tanked if people were actually woke to the exploit being used here.

Just to be perfectly clear here:
This is an intentionally left in "classic" mechanic that is being exploited, not to be confused with an 'exploit' in terms of abusing a bug that is not intentional.

This will not get you banned and there's a guide for how to do it on the wiki.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Guide_To_Recharging_Items

The wands are curiously not on the list of items...

[Dildy]

Soulfire is being exploited, has been for years, I’ve been crying for a nerf to help buff Paladins. No avail! Nerf soulfire! Unnerf Mistwalker! Nerf recharging! Make Norrath great again!

[Secrets]

Not an exploit, just a poorly designed item. EQ is full of these.

[Secrets]

Don't tell them about the Ragefire bracer or bards might get nerfed next...
https://wiki.project1999.com/Blazing_Bracer_of_Fennin_Ro

[this user was banned]

Some fun history:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62009


"was nerfed because a <nihilum> on red99 were using it to recharge and blow through lvls very quickly. 350ish dmg ae and if you had multiple wands made it very easy to lvl with cheap recharge"

[this user was banned]

Nirgon has a better summary here:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1832972&postcount=224
(Thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179215&page=23)

Remove from blue is a great idea so we don't see the classic experience raped by 60 people with rechargeable mallets on raids.

That said, I don't see why a few items that give blue an advantage should be different than red.

The recharge nerf on red was largely to do with:
Red wood wand - xping (we got a group bonus... should be a non issue now?)
Root net recharge - resists are largely fixed now, non issue imo
Conflag / kedge wand recharge - resists are largely fixed now, non issue imo

It was just very heavy handed to nail everything instead of just the problem items. I'm sure some additional conditional checks can be applied on red to check an itemid or whatever when applying recharge logic vs non recharge logic.


The trak tooth is unrelated. I agree with its charge being removed on pvp servers as this was a live change once players started abusing them/weren't using them for VP keys.

Remove recharging from both servers is the best option.

And this is the offical reason from nilbog:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1758598&postcount=10
(Thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179215)

There is no functionality that allows recharging on individual items. The system works as a whole, or does not at all.

Due to fervent complaints of recharging on the pvp server, it was wholly disabled.



One thing I'd like repeat that Nirgon pointed out:
Remove from blue is a great idea so we don't see the classic experience raped by 60 people with rechargeable mallets on raids.

And what do we have now? Seal team already requiring raid members farm clickies...
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343145&highlight=seal+team

[Izmael]

If anything, disable recharging on Green/Teal, but keep on Blue.

[Ivory]

Or, what if it's just fun? And there can be strong things in the game? :o

And also, now I'm a wizander, a wizard of 2 wands! Soon to be 3!!

Suddenly a new class has been born!! A secret society of wizards who train not with books, but with artifacts of the faeries!! Their power judged by the number of wands they have.....

Is fun :D

[Pozzey]

This server is about as classic as my 2019 Honda.

[this user was banned]

Or, what if it's just fun? And there can be strong things in the game? :o


Go ahead and have fun using the Konami code!
Once you get stronger you can kill dragons with an army of Ivandyr's Hoops!!
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop

Oh wait...

Can no longer be sold to (or recharged by) merchants. No longer unresistable. Does not work in Veeshan's Peak. Also made a more rare reward than in classic, due to imbalance with raid mobs. (Sept 10, 2011 patch)

I guess there can't be strong things in the game, sorry.

[supermonk]

i owned 60 of these on blue, true story.

[SamwiseRed]

I've now seen two people from Seal Team exploiting the wonderful, classic, item recharging with vendors mechanic to power level.

I've seen a ranger go from low 40's to 50 within a week or so.

Keep in mind that item recharging was disabled on the Red server for these exact reasons.

They are quad kiting specters in OOT on garg island using Red Wood Wands.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Red_Wood_Wand

I mysteriously noticed two very high level merchants nearby were cleared of their inventory and sure enough, someone from Seal team was on garg island quadding spectres.

All you really need is about 6 or so of these wands.
Each wand casts an INSTANT 76 dmg aoe from an inventory slot with 5 charges.
5 * 5 * 76 = 1900 damage which is plenty to take out a spec.

Run to the nearby merchant to recharge them all for 30-36p and you have plenty of time to run back and stand around until respawns.

Specs drop scythes that sell for 12.5p each along with random gems and research materials which can help cover the cost if not turn a profit with some luck.

Yes it's classic, yes it's cheesy, I honestly don't think anything is going to change, and given the recent posts about this guild, I'm not surprised in the least.

Lmao they didnt nerfed this here?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Lmao they didnt nerfed this here?

Relatively odd, considering they nerfed loads of leveling quests.....

[Widan]

Hey guys lets nerf bone chips so people can't help themselves get to level 10, but abusing clickies to quad PL yourself on melees from 35-50 is totally ok.

Classic server btw

[Canelek]

I've heard of some shitty behavior from that guild, but this....this...

...is really not a big fucking deal. Jesus.

Plenty of room on red, I hear.

[xabler]

There was a bug on blue with these wands having over 200+ charges. I wouldn't be surprise they are going around now on Green/Teal. I saw a monk level from 10-60 in 1 week.

[Not_Mikeo]

Can't wait for OP's alt forum account to post their sale of redwood wands.

[DMN]

Some items in real classic could be only be recharged with 1 use regardless of ow many uses it normally has. I wouldn't doubt this was one of them.

I know when they nerfed pummice stones my SK on rallos was trying to find a way to get more use out of the golem metal wands but they would recharge at 1 use instead of 5.

[branamil]

This isn't an exploit, it's a clever use of classic game mechanics.

[aaezil]

This isn't an exploit, it's a clever use of classic game mechanics.

You call it a mechanic i call it a bug that was patched and fixed in later versions of everqueste

[Valeriya]

God these losers keep crying cause they cant compete. Item recharing is awesome if you can afford it so quit crying and get on seal teals level. Compete for it you nerds instead of
complaing and having gm's hold your hands

[this user was banned]

God these losers keep crying cause they cant compete. Item recharing is awesome if you can afford it so quit crying and get on seal teals level. Compete for it you nerds instead of
complaing and having gm's hold your hands

Yes it is awesome, yes it is powerful, but no it's not an issue of competition, it's an issue of being incredibly cheesy and arguably against the spirit of classic and arguably somewhat detrimental to game.

[aaezil]

God these losers keep crying cause they cant compete. Item recharing is awesome if you can afford it so quit crying and get on seal teals level. Compete for it you nerds instead of
complaing and having gm's hold your hands

You sound pretty heated maybe take a bit of a break from the forums little buddy

[this user was banned]

You sound pretty heated maybe take a bit of a break from the forums little buddy

He posts the same smug shit everywhere. He's either a troll or a general dickhead.

[DMN]

Not an exploit, just a poorly designed item. EQ is full of these.

The problem is the consistency in how/when these things are changed on p99. Like people have mentioned already nerfing some exp quests but letting any class turbo level to 50 with a couple clickies? And unlike the exp quests which will always be costing you a lot of plat, clicky spam can even turn a profit for you if you choose your targets well.

[this user was banned]

The problem is the consistency in how/when these things are changed on p99. Like people have mentioned already nerfing some exp quests but letting any class turbo level to 50 with a couple clickies? And unlike the exp quests which will always be costing you a lot of plat, clicky spam can even turn a profit for you if you choose your targets well.

wasn't the bonechips quests nerfed to keep it on par with the increased spawn of skeletons in newbie areas?

[Pozzey]

He's either a troll or a general dickhead.

No one knows more about trolls or general dick heads than him. CHINA knows.

[Rokzor]

This all happend before (see Blue) and we all know how it ends ;)

[Nirgon]

Nirgon has a better summary here:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1832972&postcount=224
(Thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179215&page=23)

Remove from blue is a great idea so we don't see the classic experience raped by 60 people with rechargeable mallets on raids.

That said, I don't see why a few items that give blue an advantage should be different than red.

The recharge nerf on red was largely to do with:
Red wood wand - xping (we got a group bonus... should be a non issue now?)
Root net recharge - resists are largely fixed now, non issue imo
Conflag / kedge wand recharge - resists are largely fixed now, non issue imo

It was just very heavy handed to nail everything instead of just the problem items. I'm sure some additional conditional checks can be applied on red to check an itemid or whatever when applying recharge logic vs non recharge logic.


The trak tooth is unrelated. I agree with its charge being removed on pvp servers as this was a live change once players started abusing them/weren't using them for VP keys.

Remove recharging from both servers is the best option.

And this is the offical reason from nilbog:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1758598&postcount=10
(Thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179215)

There is no functionality that allows recharging on individual items. The system works as a whole, or does not at all.

Due to fervent complaints of recharging on the pvp server, it was wholly disabled.



One thing I'd like repeat that Nirgon pointed out:
Remove from blue is a great idea so we don't see the classic experience raped by 60 people with rechargeable mallets on raids.

And what do we have now? Seal team already requiring raid members farm clickies...
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343145&highlight=seal+team

I just wanna see yall have a classic experience tbh

[Sillyturtle]

So how much are Red Wood Wands going for on Green and Teal then?

[Asteria]

God these losers keep crying cause they cant compete. Item recharing is awesome if you can afford it so quit crying and get on seal teals level. Compete for it you nerds instead of
complaing and having gm's hold your hands

MEET ME IN GAME or the courtroom - you paying me for damages in this world or Norrath? :confused::confused:

[Waedawen]

the most grievous offense of this shit is the fact that they act like they're the first ones to do it or think of it.

[Castle2.0]

I predicted the Steisand Effect... it has not happened, at least on Teal. I am sure it's happening more on green.

"This user was banned" the jokes on you lol. It won't change - it's classic - but because you whined about it, you drew a lot of attention.

Enjoy your wandless future against all of us and our powerful wands :-D

[Castle2.0]

Correction: it HAS happened.

[cassmastafresh]

At the very least the GM's could put the spawn info for mina glimmerwing on the wiki. the VERY least. Been trying to figure out the spawn for a week now. my suspicioun is that harry potter maps was used to figure out the spawn because even with ranger track for a week its a no go.

[cassmastafresh]

https://ibb.co/mBmLknP


guys able to make 100k and servers only be out a month. wow. guess using the wands hasn't helped him do that at all. Hoarding information like that and keeping it a secret is pretty scummy, and definitely greedy.

[Uuruk]

is this shit not accurate?

"For those who want to know. There are 4 'a fairie' spawns at the fairy ring (with Gearheart). Two of those 2 are her PH (a solo spawn next to a tree really close to the village and then two spawns where one of them is the PH next to a tree leading up to a hill. The 4th 'a fairie' spawns behind the tree and is not a PH)"

[cassmastafresh]

Only reason i found out about this item was because Neumo was using it to quad kite as an enchanter and I had never seen that before. He refused to tell me anything until i threatened to post a video of him doing it on the forums. They want to keep it a secret so badly. I think thats stupid. Why should a small percentage of people have access to something so powerful. On an enchanter he was able to quad kite 8 spawns in the time it took me to kill one spawn. Crazy exp for him. I get it rare spawns are in the game, but hoarding information like that is pretty awful for the server if you ask me.

[cassmastafresh]

is this shit not accurate?

"For those who want to know. There are 4 'a fairie' spawns at the fairy ring (with Gearheart). Two of those 2 are her PH (a solo spawn next to a tree really close to the village and then two spawns where one of them is the PH next to a tree leading up to a hill. The 4th 'a fairie' spawns behind the tree and is not a PH)"

no I camped that spawn for a day now and i havn't seen mina gimmerwing at all. there are two random spawns that they are using to get the wands, and they wont tell anyone how to spawn them.

[Wallicker]

So
You want someone to just freely give up extremely valuable info they spent hours collecting by calling them “pal” then you try to bribe him with 2k. Next you tell someone named “rookie” you know how to make unlimited plat. You most likely are not only a liar, but also lazy and an untrustworthy little schemer. Seems to me this artelius made the right call.

[cassmastafresh]

Keeping the information private about how to spawn something this powerful is just greedy, and not healthy for the server.

[Uuruk]

no I camped that spawn for a day now and i havn't seen mina gimmerwing at all. there are two random spawns that they are using to get the wands, and they wont tell anyone how to spawn them.

also is there a reason she doesnt drop the gate ring and drops this item instead?

[cassmastafresh]

So
You want someone to just freely give up extremely valuable info they spent hours collecting by calling them “pal” then you try to bribe him with 2k. Next you tell someone named “rookie” you know how to make unlimited plat. You most likely are not only a liar, but also lazy and an untrustworthy little schemer. Seems to me this artelius made the right call.

Calling people names isn't going to help anything. I'm perfectly trustworthy. Don't assume anything about me. I asked rookie if he wanted to help me figure it out, and he had his own ideas so I followed him around and helped him to do his thing.

Putting me on the defensive isn't going to change the fact that these guys are using mechanics that not everyone has access to to make huge gains.

He said it took him "hours" I've been out here for days trying to figure it out, I have a window open on red99 killing the a faeries, and I was also camping them on my druid on green for days so far with nothing to show for it.

I know the camp well enougn, and I've done enough research to see that there is some other way to get the wands to drop, and even Neumo told me it was pointless for me to try and camp them the way that I was trying.

Not offering up information taht you've found is greedy. It's fine if you want to admit to being a greedy 100k banked person. Maybe thats how you get your joy in life. Personally it's my mission to figure out how this works so I can share the information with whoever, because I think thats the right thing to do.

Attack me if you want, but if he would have told me I would have given him the money for the information and kept it a secret. Now since I realize how greedy they are I'm on a mission to figure it out and share the information with the COMMUNITY. not just a couple of my pals so we can ease our way through content and sit on top of our mountain of plat like scruge mcduck.

[cassmastafresh]

Pretty obivous the only people who would attack me right now about this are people trying to keep this sacred broke ass item a secret. GREED NOTHING BUT GREED

[Wallicker]

You have to kill the PHer at the exact right time in the right spot

[Wallicker]

If the white unicorn is up she won’t spawn either

[Uuruk]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Glimmer_Ring

sounds like the wand shouldnt be in the game anyway?

[Castle2.0]

Wallicker, don't ruin it for us who know the secret. If everyone has the wands, the game is over. They are too powerful to fall into the hands of anyone.

Don't share the final 2 requirements to get her to spawn or I will come at you with my cane... Only a few know how to crack the code. It's how it has always been and always will be.

[Tuljin]

If you really want to find out just go sit there and watch someone do it, there's always someone posted up. Itd be interesting to see what they do. In fact if someone really wanted to they could organize a massive sit-in. I really think people are more interested in moving their XP bars.

Apparently people will do anything for DKP including sitting at a camp 25 levels lower than them for 12 hours at a time and acting like they're hot shit.

[azeth]

Apparently people will do anything for DKP including sitting at a camp 25 levels lower than them for 12 hours at a time and acting like they're hot shit.

just a reminder this has been happening for the entire time p99 has existed. shiny brass idol camp anyone?

[Domni]

Calling people names isn't going to help anything. I'm perfectly trustworthy. Don't assume anything about me. I asked rookie if he wanted to help me figure it out, and he had his own ideas so I followed him around and helped him to do his thing.

Putting me on the defensive isn't going to change the fact that these guys are using mechanics that not everyone has access to to make huge gains.

He said it took him "hours" I've been out here for days trying to figure it out, I have a window open on red99 killing the a faeries, and I was also camping them on my druid on green for days so far with nothing to show for it.

I know the camp well enougn, and I've done enough research to see that there is some other way to get the wands to drop, and even Neumo told me it was pointless for me to try and camp them the way that I was trying.

Not offering up information taht you've found is greedy. It's fine if you want to admit to being a greedy 100k banked person. Maybe thats how you get your joy in life. Personally it's my mission to figure out how this works so I can share the information with whoever, because I think thats the right thing to do.

Attack me if you want, but if he would have told me I would have given him the money for the information and kept it a secret. Now since I realize how greedy they are I'm on a mission to figure it out and share the information with the COMMUNITY. not just a couple of my pals so we can ease our way through content and sit on top of our mountain of plat like scruge mcduck.

Did you ever figure out how to spawn Mina Glimmerwing? It would be great to farm some of these wands on blue if I ever decide to play again.

Also @Wallicker too please.

So far from this thread I gather there are supposedly 4 requirements total to spawn her:

1. You have to kill the PHer at the exact right time in the right spot
2. If the white unicorn is up she won’t spawn either
3. ?
4. ?

Thanks and Merry Xmas!

[Brocode]

dont play green be happy, but that sounds more like "damn why didnt i think of that before"